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People seriously predicted InklingThis might be an interesting thread to go back and read through, now that Ultimate's roster is complete
Early Smash 5 Fan-Made Rosters (Ideal or Prediction)
THIS IS NOT A THREAD FOR SPECULATION Responding to rosters are perfectly fine. But there is no reason to be discussing any character in-depth here. Please take any in-depth posts either in an individual character's thread, or in the general thread...
And just keep in mind that, yes, basically everybody in the thread was wrong about at least something - but don't be too snarky. Try to remember how things were back when this was current. If we made a thread about predicting Smash 6 right now, we'd be just as wrong.
You son of a *****, that's genius
Please, never have anyone in the smash community be in charge of the roster..This might be an interesting thread to go back and read through, now that Ultimate's roster is complete
Early Smash 5 Fan-Made Rosters (Ideal or Prediction)
THIS IS NOT A THREAD FOR SPECULATION Responding to rosters are perfectly fine. But there is no reason to be discussing any character in-depth here. Please take any in-depth posts either in an individual character's thread, or in the general thread...
And just keep in mind that, yes, basically everybody in the thread was wrong about at least something - but don't be too snarky. Try to remember how things were back when this was current. If we made a thread about predicting Smash 6 right now, we'd be just as wrong.
Back when people thought the roster will have cuts and be small good thing Sakurai went beyond people expectationsThis might be an interesting thread to go back and read through, now that Ultimate's roster is complete
Early Smash 5 Fan-Made Rosters (Ideal or Prediction)
THIS IS NOT A THREAD FOR SPECULATION Responding to rosters are perfectly fine. But there is no reason to be discussing any character in-depth here. Please take any in-depth posts either in an individual character's thread, or in the general thread...
And just keep in mind that, yes, basically everybody in the thread was wrong about at least something - but don't be too snarky. Try to remember how things were back when this was current. If we made a thread about predicting Smash 6 right now, we'd be just as wrong.
You will take the Amingopill and you will like it
Ruby Heart or riot
Well for one thing, it's not actually from a video game.
Basically: "They play unique, so nothing else matters."
Yep. And you will be fighting against that argument until the day you die, because it is never going away.
That's not true. Terra and Xion were both Xehanorts.
Sadly, it's not the right aspect ratio for that.
vI mean... Yes The Geno Support Thread got raided pretty heavy and there were like factions within the thread that either accepted The Gospel According to FMOI or didn't.... I remember clearly having to deal with that crap and I wasn't even in the thread lol just had to keep vigilante due to sheer amount of junk that ensued from all toxicity....
But as for how the posters from this thread behaved and interacted with the Geno thread before and after it was remade well I can't speak to that. Once the thread was remade and the final clamps were put in place to end the hostile environment there, it became just another character support thread. But I'm sure other posters here can vouch for their own behavior during that time.
(why is this important btw? Like is this something that weighs heavily on youForsakenM ?)
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Momotsuki
I really appreciate your understanding of the entire situation. The only thing I disagree with is that the locking of the old thread and creating of the new didn't just fix the problem: it was done with poor planning and lasted too long at the lowest point Geno fans had been at after riding a very high wave for over a year, and thus it killed both the support thread's numbers for the new thread (it's basically a ghost town, I'm one of the few keeping it alive) and it actually hurt the site's activity for a while if not still seeing some of the effects of it.
Very old response by now but I thought I'd drop it anyway.
I've been lurking and I just gotta speak up on this continued dissonance.
Man.
Uh....
lol
At first I didn't get what I was looking at, then I saw the date.
Uh....
lol
I believe this person has also went on to disapprove of bringing everyone back now that it did in fact happen. Specifically on the RTC thread. Not trying to stir drama or anything, I just think that offers some insight onto this post in particular, seeing it get brought up.
Uh....
lol
Are you where the Smash Bubble term came from?Since I'm currently in the habit of rushing to post my final Speculation pieces about Ultimate, I'm here to hit y'all with another one. I present:
DaybreakHorizon's Smash Ultimate Speculation Essay Tier List
If you want a TL;DR, this is essentially it:
- I don't have much in the way of acknowledgements for this piece, since it's largely a copy/paste from a Discord essay I wrote, but I would like to acknowledge and sincerely thank y'all for the support I've received for my writing over the last 3 years. I don't think I'd have been able to keep up my writing and critical thinking skills as well as I've been able to if it weren't for this outlet, and it's been fun being able to research and write about different characters over the course of speculation.
I've written a lot about Smash Ultimate over the past 3 or so years. To give an approximation, I've written around 50,000 words across 12 major essays and essay series. As a hobbyist writer and essayist, Smash has been my primary outlet since DLC speculation began in December 2018, and I'd like to take this opportunity to reflect a bit on each essay, where I was at when writing them, and how I think they hold up today.
Even though they weren't enough to get me on the Smashboards Writing Team (apparently I didn't provide enough writing samples even though at the time I had like 7 essays in my signature which is literally available on my profile NO I AM NOT MAD), I think this'll be a fun little endeavor.
Also it's like no work at all since I did most of the work last December and posted it to Discord, so I'm essentially just bringing this over here and adding some minor content. Low effort for free internet likes to boost my fragile ego. The essays are ranked within tier, as well as across tiers, which will be indicated with standard numerical rankings. I'll be excluding my recent reflection pieces since they're a completely different type of essay as compared to my argumentative essays, and as such can't be ranked by the same criteria. Just to cover that base, they'd generally float around the Great or Good tiers, if only because both were somewhat of rush jobs. With that being said, let's get into it!
These essays are simply my best. They're incredibly strong arguments, make points that are still relevant to this day, and are works I'm personally proud of.
1. The Second Square Enix Character Argument
My magnum opus of Smash Speculation essays. Each essay is quality (since I worked on them over the course of like 3 weeks), with the Sora essay probably being my best piece period. The Bravely essay is no slouch, and the Geno essay also bears mention because it was probably the most comprehensive, unbiased argument about Geno and addressed both sides equally. Also, let it be known I ****ing called Sephiroth in this essay, even if I ranked FF as a series lower than Bravely, Nier, and TWEWY.
2. We Never Saw It Coming: The Game Awards as a Case Study for Doubt
I hold a soft spot for this piece. Despite it being incredibly early in my writing career–only my second long-form speculation piece–and it clocks in on the shorter side of things. Despite that, it's concise and to the point, and I believe the point it makes about not trusting insiders at their word was relevant for the entirety of Smash Ultimate speculation and will be relevant during speculation of the next Smash Bros. game, so that we don't allow clout-chasing insiders to gain the influence and promote toxicity within the fanbase as they did this last cycle.
3. The Case for Gordon Freeman
Logically speaking I think this is one of, if not my strongest piece since I approached it with the mindset of an argumentative philosophy essay (I actually just wrote a 2300 word one so go figure). A really interesting character to argue for and I loved diving into the evidence to create my arguments. Also, it had impeccable timing to defeat ****ty Imran Khan speculation and introduce a fun new topic. Gordon is a critically underrated character and now that Sora's completely blown the door open for" impossible" character picks, I think Nintendo approaching Valve–or even vice versa–to get him in Smash is far more likely than any of us thing.
4. The Case Minecraft Steve and the "Smash Bubble" Effect
More than anything I appreciate this piece's purpose and lasting relevancy; A scathing critique of the core fandom's over-reliance on fan polls as a means of assessing a character's likelihood that managed to stick a bit as a fanbase term and a correct prediction before Steve was a popular speculation pick. You can't ask for much else in my opinion. Also it's just a well-written piece in how I lay out my arguments, though I feel like I could've elaborated on Nintendo and Microsoft's relationship and Steve's popularity outside the core fanbase.These essays are some of my more quality writing and hold up well, but aren't as good as the above essays.
5. Characters to Look Out For: Don-chan
Introduces the first Characters to Look Out For series of essays really well. Argument wise it's really solid, and Don-chan wass a really interesting dark horse pick to argue for. I definitely had motivation here and it shows in how strong the argument is in my opinion. Also has what is probably the best quote from any essay of mine:
As a whole, this is definitely one of my more humorous essays, and as a whole it makes me smile.
6. Characters to Look Out For: 2B
Just a really strong essay, which shows in how I just incorporated it into my Second Ultimate Square Enix character argument and simply added onto it when discussing 2B. It's a very comprehensive argument on 2B, her notoriety, and why/how she could get into Smash. For a straightforward character argument, this essay is probably my best.
7. Characters to Look Out For: Layton & Jonesy
The Layton essay is much stronger than the Jonesy piece, as it goes deeper and discusses the European Market and Level-5 as a company, both of which are compelling topics that probably could've used more detail than what they got. The Jonesy essay is honestly like a bonus compared to the main dish that is the Layton essay, as it's just a collection of points for Jonesy in Smash rather than a comprehensive argument. Either way both are solid, and together they make this piece strong.
Yes, this tier is essentially just my first Characters to Look Out For series, but to be fair it was a really good series in my opinion.These essays are good, but are lacking in some way, whether it be in content or the writing process.
8. The Definitive Case for Lloyd Irving
One of my earlier pieces and probably my most straightforward. I think it's most emblematic of Good Tier because it lacks the finer technique of my newer pieces, nor does it have an interesting topic to set it apart like my essays on The Game Awards and Minecraft Steve (being Insiders in the community . It's a longform speculation piece that accomplishes its purpose and nothing else.
9. The Second Set of Characters to Look Out For in Ultimate DLC
A solid series of essays carried by my technical knowledge of writing, but they're clearly lacking to me given the negative amount of motivation they were written with. I think I was supposed to write on like 3 additional characters (I can remember Sol Badguy and Kiryu specifically) but ended up cutting them because I was so burnt out on speculation and just wanted to leave Smashboards. It's a definite shame because each of the characters I wrote about are interesting in their own right, and League of Legends was a topic I'd been looking to write about for months. I know that if I'd had more motivation the LoL essay definitely could've been one of my best essays given my interest in the topic, and it's disappointing to now see my writing live up to that potential.
10. In Defense of Phoenix Wright
I'll be real and say that this was half a spite piece because I just really didn't like Scoliosis Jone's article on Capcom characters and had some petty grudge against him for a reason I can't remember. It was petty and leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The argument is good, but I approached writing it from the wrong angle, and I don't think I'll ever be able to look past that.By essay standards, they're probably good. By my own standards, they're my weakest works.
11. The Gran(d) Case for Granblue
I'm gonna admit this was written with big bias-tinted goggles. I kinda just wanted to talk about Granblue and thought I'd do so in big speculation essay form. Half of the essay is me explaining to Smashboards why Granblue is cool and the other half is a minor argument. It's kinda like this:
Which is fine, but it does not hold up as an argumentative essay, especially compared to my other, better works. I definitely could've put more effort into the actual argument part of the essay.
12. The Ultimate Square Enix Argument
Probably a controversial placement since it's my first piece and it's what essentially put me on the map, but honestly this is my weakest work. For one, it's plagued by grammatical errors such as block paragraphs, run-on sentences, and comma splicing—it's just ugly to look at in places. The Dragon Quest essay is the only redeeming part of this piece, as it's a rather comprehensive (if not biased) argument.
Speaking of bias, it runs rampant in this piece as well. There's clear bias for Dragon Quest and Sora and against Geno. I only really write on these three characters and the other ones don't get nearly as much attention as they should've. It's an incredibly informal piece as well and doesn't take itself too seriously, which combined with the rampant bias undermines the entire work.
As I said in intro of the Second Square Character Argument, I wrote that work partially to prove to myself that I could do better after learning more about writing in general and finding my own voice and style as a writer. I think that work makes up for a lot of the shortcomings. It's good if you want a point of comparison with which to show how much I've improved as a writer over the course of two years—compare it to the Gordon Freeman essay for the most effect—but otherwise it is not good™.I don't have much in the form of closing thoughts since I said my piece in my reflection on Sora. This was a bit of an impulse write since it was easy (the most effort went into formatting and minor grammatical fixes), but I figured having it here for posterity would be nice. Overall it's strange thinking I have 12 major essays, some of which are large essay series. This is definitely something I'll have to bring to my grave with me, at the very least when dating, because no girl is going to find 50,000 words written on Smashboards attractive (unfortunately). Overall I still stand by the rankings and their reasoning, but it was an absolute joy to write each and every single one of them. To close, I'll repeat what I said in the acknowledgements: I'm glad to have had this outlet, and again I'd like to thank y'all for the support my written works have received over the piece.
Now, if you'll excuse I'm going to go watch Sora's trailer again before working on the homework I've been procrastinating on this entire time.
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Definitely give it a read if you have the time though. This'll be my last speculation piece for a good while (this time for real), but like I said previously I'll be around.
Now, back to your regularly scheduled...Geno discussion by the looks of things...
It always goes back to Geno, huh?
Ahhh yes, Linkle brings me back to when everyone thought that if it’s a new Nintendo character, they willThis might be an interesting thread to go back and read through, now that Ultimate's roster is complete
Early Smash 5 Fan-Made Rosters (Ideal or Prediction)
THIS IS NOT A THREAD FOR SPECULATION Responding to rosters are perfectly fine. But there is no reason to be discussing any character in-depth here. Please take any in-depth posts either in an individual character's thread, or in the general thread...
And just keep in mind that, yes, basically everybody in the thread was wrong about at least something - but don't be too snarky. Try to remember how things were back when this was current. If we made a thread about predicting Smash 6 right now, we'd be just as wrong.
I'm assuming there's some bit of Kirby or Kingdom Hearts lore to indicate that Kirby is somehow wielding the Keyblade in its purest, most powerful form.
It's simple, really: it's because he's Kirby.
As the thread creator, wow major cringe in hindsight lol.This might be an interesting thread to go back and read through, now that Ultimate's roster is complete
Early Smash 5 Fan-Made Rosters (Ideal or Prediction)
THIS IS NOT A THREAD FOR SPECULATION Responding to rosters are perfectly fine. But there is no reason to be discussing any character in-depth here. Please take any in-depth posts either in an individual character's thread, or in the general thread...
And just keep in mind that, yes, basically everybody in the thread was wrong about at least something - but don't be too snarky. Try to remember how things were back when this was current. If we made a thread about predicting Smash 6 right now, we'd be just as wrong.
I mean, to be fair, we had two games' worth of precedent for character cutting. With how huge the roster was getting, character cuts seemed inevitable. Hell, even now, it seems that most people are fairly sure that the next Smash will end up cutting fighters, and to be frank, unless Nintendo really busts their hump, I think Smash will eventually go the way of Pokemon, being forced to inevitably cut characters due to the sheer logistical nightmare it would be program and secure the rights for 100+ characters. At some point, the franchise is going to hit critical mass if it hasn't already.
What do you mean back to?
Ooo nice brain teaser.
Yeah, Snake was the most requested veteran and probably by a mile.
Mhm, but I moreso mean that I think he may have beaten not only other cut veterans, but also any newcomers. It feels entirely possible to me.
Irc we already know that Veterant did amazingly well, which is why EVERYONE IS HERE happened
I would absolutely be willing to bet that Snake did better than Ridley and maybe even Banjo. The Ice Climbers, Snake, and Wolf were 100% the most requested veterans, and we know veterans took a lot of the top spots based on what Sakurai said. Even Ridley had to contend with those who thought voting for him was a waste due to his boss role existing, while Snake didn't have that.
