Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[StarBot]

This reads like your stereotypical "Activision Bad and greedy give like please" posts that 4chan, Reddit and this site like to do

I was actually trying to make a "Netflix bad post"

I was actually just shocked to find a company to peeved themselves, is all lol

 

[cashregister9]

I was actually trying to make a "Netflix bad post"

So I was actually shocked to find a company to peeved themselves, is all lol

Sorry, That comment I was not applying to your text, just the 4chan posts you've linked.

 

[StarBot]

I'm going to backtrack and say, that Nintendo did manged to make do a Crash Nitro Kart and Overwatch free online thing with Activision

So maybe I'am and the reddit post is overeating, and I let my external shocked get the best of me

Sorry, I just have alot of know how in the tv and movie industry, so I guess that set of my doom alarm

Sorry, That comment I was not applying to your text, just the 4chan posts you've linked.

Lol it's aokay

 

[N3ON]

Take it easy with the alarmism, people.

Activision may be hard to work with, but Nintendo and Activision have collaborated before. Skylanders saw Bowser and DK involved. Nintendo got that Goldeneye game on the Wii courtesy of Activision, which Nintendo handled some of the publishing duties for. Those were both with Activision IP as the backdrop, as opposed to Smash, but Nintendo has its own history with the company - it need not base its decisions on second-hand experiences from another medium.

In fact, Nintendo stands as an exception, right? Two notoriously uncooperative companies with very tightly-held IPs having had a previously successful collaboration.

So, does something like this cast a pall on Crash's chances? Perhaps. But it certainly doesn't invalidate them.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Today I learned: Millia's OG design had her hair blade placed in the front...She hit you with a giant bang. From a cursory glance at the second game it seems to look better but man does it look stupid in the first one.

 

[DanganZilla5]

You people are saying that Crash's chances are dead or close to dead because of a ******* cartoon getting cancelled? Come on people.

 

[N3ON]

You people are saying that Crash's chances are dead or close to dead because of a ******* cartoon getting cancelled? Come on people.

My understanding is because the cartoon was allegedly cancelled with no one else wanting to work with them due to Activision's domineering creative control, which would conflict with easily implementing him in Smash.

If true, it's hardly a nail in the coffin, but it makes more sense than a cartoon being cancelled affecting Smash two years after FP2 was decided. That's the same kind of anachronistic logic which for some reason had people thinking Rayman would get axed after Ancel left Ubisoft or Tracer would be yanked after the Blitzchung snafu.

 

[SharkLord]

Random question time: can Steve be considered a sword fighter?

I'd classify him as a semi-swordie like Byleth; The sword is the weapon they default to, but they use other weapons as well. In Steve's case, there's more moves that don't use the sword than the ones that do, so if I had to choose one or the other I'd say he doesn't count.

 

[TCT~Phantom]

The funny thing is I saw some of the same people saying Crash was super likely due to the free weekend for CTR two weeks ago now doomposting over the cartoon.

I’ll say this, if Nintendo could work with companies like Konami and Square, I’m sure they would try their hardest to work with activision. Heck, we got Minecraft, the biggest game of all time in smash. I’m sure that Nintendo would try their hardest to work something out.

 

[SharkLord]

The funny thing is I saw some of the same people saying Crash was super likely due to the free weekend for CTR two weeks ago now doomposting over the cartoon.

Slide to the left!

Slide to the right!

 

[DanganZilla5]

Still, people, did you forget about the Activision leak that mentioned Crash in Smash? Or the fact that Activision have been releasing games for the Switch consistently? Or the fact that they offered free trials to two of their games on Switch? We don't even know exactly why the cartoon was cancelled.

This is Konami all over again. People think that because a company has ****** behavior that means that they are hard to work with. Not true.

 

[cothero]

You people are saying that Crash's chances are dead or close to dead because of a ******* cartoon getting cancelled? Come on people.

Of course that can mean nothing, but they're well known for being ***holes amongst other companies. Activision couldn't come to an agreement to include Crash in PASBR, but the specifics aren't exactly public knowledge. I wouldn't be surprised if they asked for a greedy cut.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Crash blew up again around 2017

Like, yeah, the remake collection came out then, bt it's not like it was on anyones game of the year list.

He just went from forgotten, to "Oh yeah, I remember that. Neat."

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Its worth thinking about the budget on display here. Steve and Sephiroth probably cost quite the pretty penny. Perhaps Nintendo would have had to default to some smaller characters to stay in budget.
Like Ace Attorney instead of DMC....Yeah, thats what I’ll use to justify my biases.

 

[Shroob]

Still, people, did you forget about the Activision leak that mentioned Crash in Smash? Or the fact that Activision have been releasing games for the Switch consistently? Or the fact that they offered free trials to two of their games on Switch? We don't even know exactly why the cartoon was cancelled.

This is Konami all over again. People think that because a company has ****** behavior that means that they are hard to work with. Not true.

To be fair though, can we really prove that the leak even exists?

Yes, it 'exists' in the fact that certain news sites did report on unreleased games ahead of time, but the Smash stuff came like, 2 entire YEARS after the initial reports, which the initial reports never made mention of Smash.


I don't doubt the leak existing, but the Smash stuff can easily be faked tbh, and I'm someone who has Crash as one of their most wanted.

 

[SharkLord]

Its worth thinking about the budget on display here. Steve and Sephiroth probably cost quite the pretty penny. Perhaps Nintendo would have had to default to some smaller characters to stay in budget.
Like Ace Attorney instead of DMC....Yeah, thats what I’ll use to justify my biases.

This is how all four of my most wanteds win!

 

[TCT~Phantom]

Of course that can mean nothing, but they're well known for being ***holes amongst other companies. Activision couldn't come to an agreement to include Crash in PASBR, but the specifics aren't exactly public knowledge. I wouldn't be surprised if they asked for a greedy cut.

PSABR had no budget dude. They were forced to use Donte and Young Heihachi instead of the iconic versions in order to shill new releases. The third party choices were weird as heck due to that. When I think PlayStation all star, I think Big Daddy, whose game took two years to get ported to PS3.

PSABR is a tragic case of a game that needed more time and money. They wanted to do Crash, Spyro, Cloud, Snake, Lara Croft, and so much more. But they studio was new, Sony underfunded them, and companies were extremely hesitant to put their most valuable ips in it.

 

[DanganZilla5]

Of course that can mean nothing, but they're well known for being ***holes amongst other companies. Activision couldn't come to an agreement to include Crash in PASBR, but the specifics aren't exactly public knowledge. I wouldn't be surprised if they asked for a greedy cut.

Look at my previous comment. But I'll sum it up: Konami.

 

[N3ON]

I'm not willing to put Activision in the same cell block as Disney and Sony, the true trouble children (though Sony isn't really doing anything Nintendo wouldn't do themselves in a similar position). If Sakurai/Nintendo can get Square and Konami to fall in line, and talk Ubisoft and Bethesda down to costumes, I still hold out hope for Kotick's empire.

Still, people, did you forget about the Activision leak that mentioned Crash in Smash? Or the fact that Activision have been releasing games for the Switch consistently? Or the fact that they offered free trials to two of their games on Switch? We don't even know exactly why the cartoon was cancelled.

This is Konami all over again. People think that because a company has ****** behavior that means that they are hard to work with. Not true.

There is some truth to this, but at the same time, not all of those things mean much. Like, the leak could be fake. And Activision releases games for their own self-interest. It's not like the Switch has gotten a single CoD game yet; they release stuff they believe will sell to the Nintendo audience, like Skylanders, Crash and Spyro.

Of course that can mean nothing, but they're well known for being ***holes amongst other companies. Activision couldn't come to an agreement to include Crash in PASBR, but the specifics aren't exactly public knowledge. I wouldn't be surprised if they asked for a greedy cut.

Budget can be prohibitive, just look at Disney, but Smash is working with exorbitantly higher capital than what was afforded poor Superbot.

Its worth thinking about the budget on display here. Steve and Sephiroth probably cost quite the pretty penny. Perhaps Nintendo would have had to default to some smaller characters to stay in budget.
Like Ace Attorney instead of DMC....Yeah, thats what I’ll use to justify my biases.

That kind of stuff is important, but it's also not something we have enough details on to properly incorporate into our theorizing.

You also have to keep in mind that Nintendo can greatly offset licensing costs by simply mixing in first-parties.

 

[Jomosensual]

PSABR had no budget dude. They were forced to use Donte and Young Heihachi instead of the iconic versions in order to shill new releases. The third party choices were weird as heck due to that. When I think PlayStation all star, I think Big Daddy, whose game took two years to get ported to PS3.

PSABR is a tragic case of a game that needed more time and money. They wanted to do Crash, Spyro, Cloud, Snake, Lara Croft, and so much more. But they studio was new, Sony underfunded them, and companies were extremely hesitant to put their most valuable ips in it.

Given how well Smash has done I'd be shocked if PSABR didn't take a massive leap forward in it's roster going forward. They have enough good first parties who didn't exist then and would see the importance of spending on the 3rd parties that it would be an all time classic on that end. Would really just come down to if they could fix the obvious gameplay flaws.

 

[7NATOR]

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Like, yeah, the remake collection came out then, bt it's not like it was on anyones game of the year list.

He just went from forgotten, to "Oh yeah, I remember that."

It sold 10 Million copies apparently, so I would say Crash blew up

to be fair though, there is some nostalgia at play with that, but that's no easy feat

It sold more than Resident Evil 2 Remake, which was a GOTY Contender

Now Apparently Crash 4 only really did decent at best in terms of sales, so it's hard to know where the series will go from here. Though to be fair Crash 4 was $60 compared to the remake trilogy $40 and it's only 1 game, not 3. still it's on the right track and at least within Smash Speculation Crash got the shine he needed to rise to the top of requests

The funny thing is I saw some of the same people saying Crash was super likely due to the free weekend for CTR two weeks ago now doomposting over the cartoon.

I’ll say this, if Nintendo could work with companies like Konami and Square, I’m sure they would try their hardest to work with activision. Heck, we got Minecraft, the biggest game of all time in smash. I’m sure that Nintendo would try their hardest to work something out.

You're right, but I still think this is a blow to his chances though. It's a disadvantage at the end of the day if Activision is very peculiar with how it's I.P's are represented to a fault, and hard to work with and perhaps if all the negotations cost Nintendo alot of money

It just means all the negotiations will take longer, Cost more money, and all that jazz.

 

[N3ON]

Given how well Smash has done I'd be shocked if PSABR didn't take a massive leap forward in it's roster going forward. They have enough good first parties who didn't exist then and would see the importance of spending on the 3rd parties that it would be an all time classic on that end. Would really just come down to if they could fix the obvious gameplay flaws.

That's the dilemma. Smash is at a point where Sony has to invest much more in PSASBR than they did the first time to give it a fighting chance. But since the game underperformed, they might not be eager to spend even more money in a follow-up.

Hence the radio silence regarding its future.

What they could also do is purposefully go for a smaller audience with a smaller budget, invest in just really making a tight, polished fighting game (with mechanics that are actually fun) with a limited but well-executed cast (primarily of first-parties, with only a select few third-parties, but third-parties that actually make sense and that people want to see).

Start with something small but strong, get a loyal fanbase, and gradually cultivate it into something bigger. Sort of like how Smash did it.

But in reality, I just expect nothing more to come from PSASBR. Which is unfortunate. Competition just makes both parties try harder and the consumer ultimately wins. Though ****, Nintendo fires on all cylinders with Smash as if they're actually being challenged, so who knows.

 

[AndresSSB]

Wait, really? Damn... I actually thought that was ROB.

ROB is truly the feminist icon for the centuries

 

[DarthEnderX]

It sold 10 Million copies apparently

Say WHAT?!


"Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy was a commercial success, selling over 2.5 million copies in the first three months of its release,[36] increasing to ten million by February 2019.[37] In the United Kingdom, the N. Sane Trilogy was the best-selling game for eight consecutive weeks since its initial release.[38] "

Wtf England...

 

[Perkilator]

Still, people, did you forget about the Activision leak that mentioned Crash in Smash? Or the fact that Activision have been releasing games for the Switch consistently? Or the fact that they offered free trials to two of their games on Switch? We don't even know exactly why the cartoon was cancelled.

This is Konami all over again. People think that because a company has ****** behavior that means that they are hard to work with. Not true.

This is exactly how I feel about Sora; people act like it’s impossible for Nintendo to negotiate with Disney for Sora even though:
A. Disney gives the KH license to whoever’s willing to take it (as long as Nomura‘s okay with it)
B. Nintendo and Disney have collaborated plenty of times, no problem

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

StarBot Just to point out, the image you have has an uncensored swear word in it. You should censor that.

That said, I'm not that worried overall. Crash still has a pretty good chance, imo. Not every deal will work out, of course. But that happens.

 

[TCT~Phantom]

Say WHAT?!


"Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy was a commercial success, selling over 2.5 million copies in the first three months of its release,[36] increasing to ten million by February 2019.[37] In the United Kingdom, the N. Sane Trilogy was the best-selling game for eight consecutive weeks since its initial release.[38] "

Wtf England...

Never underestimate the English and their love for Crash. Honestly it’s weird how well crash sells there in spite of other huge releases.

 

[N3ON]

Nintendo and Sega never really cracked the UK like the Playstation did so to a certain generation he's probably like their Mario or Sonic.

British people feel free to correct me as I continue to speak for you.

 

[Greyfox22]

I`ve been thinking a lot about Smash speculation today, mostly cause I was bored, and I`m seeing a lot of patterns between the waves of dlc. Because Nintendo/Sakurai probably wants to target certain demographics with Smash inclusions, they probably have certain criteria in mind when picking characters. Since fighter pass one and the Smash4 dlc already sold really well, it would probably make sense for Smash dlc to continue to appeal to those demographics. Anyways, I made up these categories I think all current dlc characters fall into. I know there are probably some other categories that aren't on here or that I didn't think of but these are the ones I thought were the most consistent and made the most sense to me.

Playstation Characters
Characters who are more associated with popular Playstation games and don't have much of a connection or history with Nintendo. Unexpected out of left field picks that are meant to make Playstation fans want to buy a Smash game. This doesn't really apply to other Nintendo competitors, like Xbox, as much simply because Nintendo and Playstation dominate the Japanese console market; this is also a similar reason why these characters come from popular Japanese games (no Crash Bandicoot, yet...)

-Cloud who represented the at the time Playstation exclusive Final Fantasy VII
-Joker who represents Persona 5
-Sephiroth who represents the recently released Final Fantasy VII remake (part 1 of 24)

Fan Favourites
Long time fan favourites that appeal to current Smash fans and encourage them to buy dlc. That might be pretty obvious, but an important factor I've been considering is that the Smash character ballot might still be used to choose these characters. The Smash Ballot is more than a few years old, and the speculation landscape may have changed a lot since, but it's still probably the best source of information to determine which characters are popular with fans. Even if there is a lot of support for certain characters that can be seen over social media, it would be hard for Nintendo to quantify support for those characters or how receptive a majority of fans would be towards those characters. It's also not possible to know how much support a character actually got during the Smash Ballots, but I think fan ballots and intuition can be used to make somewhat good guesses.

-Bayonetta, who may have won the ballot possibly...
-Hero, or Erdrick more specifically who was probably pretty popular on the Japanese side of the Ballot
-Banjo and Kazooie
-Steve? It's hard to determine but he does come up pretty frequently on fanmade Smash Ballots and his popularity would make sense

Fighting Game Characters
Characters who appeal to a large amount of general fighting game fans. Probably characters who attract people who are more interested in other, non-Smash, fighting games. I'm less certain about this category because these characters might be able to fit into fan favourites, and there's only two.

-Ryu
-Terry

Promotional Characters
Characters whose main purpose is to promote a specific Nintendo game/franchise, unlike other characters whose inclusion is meant to promote Smash dlc. Controversial characters some may refer to as "shill picks."

-Corrin
-Byleth
-Min Min who I'd call a promotional character rather than a fighting game character. She may be from a fighting game, but its a very different kind of game that doesn't have the same appeal as Street Fighter or Fatal Fury. Also, I think her inclusion did much more to promote ARMS to Smash fans than the other way around.



Anyways, just something I was thinking a lot about today and thought might be interesting.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

StarBot Just to point out, the image you have has an uncensored swear word in it. You should censor that.

When I see poopy word:

 

[Perkilator]

Never underestimate the English and their love for Crash. Honestly it’s weird how well crash sells there in spite of other huge releases.

I can name one England native that comes to mind with Crash’s popularity there. (Skip to 1:16 to skip the preceding ad)

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Is it normal for a song to get you hyped for a character?

I've been listening to this song on loop for a few days and now I'm really into the idea of a SMT rep. Not even just because they might bring this song.

You will not survive the winter alongside that wretched youtube account



Also lmao at rumours of a cartoon getting canned being seen as potential evidence for Crash not making Smash

 

[Idon]

Is it normal for a song to get you hyped for a character?

I've been listening to this song on loop for a few days and now I'm really into the idea of a SMT rep. Not even just because they might bring this song.

SMT OST is mad underrated.

I can only imagine how hype that would make me to see it in Smash.

 

[7NATOR]

I`ve been thinking a lot about Smash speculation today, mostly cause I was bored, and I`m seeing a lot of patterns between the waves of dlc. Because Nintendo/Sakurai probably wants to target certain demographics with Smash inclusions, they probably have certain criteria in mind when picking characters. Since fighter pass one and the Smash4 dlc already sold really well, it would probably make sense for Smash dlc to continue to appeal to those demographics. Anyways, I made up these categories I think all current dlc characters fall into. I know there are probably some other categories that aren't on here or that I didn't think of but these are the ones I thought were the most consistent and made the most sense to me.

Playstation Characters
Characters who are more associated with popular Playstation games and don't have much of a connection or history with Nintendo. Unexpected out of left field picks that are meant to make Playstation fans want to buy a Smash game. This doesn't really apply to other Nintendo competitors, like Xbox, as much simply because Nintendo and Playstation dominate the Japanese console market; this is also a similar reason why these characters come from popular Japanese games (no Crash Bandicoot, yet...)

-Cloud who represented the at the time Playstation exclusive Final Fantasy VII
-Joker who represents Persona 5
-Sephiroth who represents the recently released Final Fantasy VII remake (part 1 of 24)

Fan Favourites
Long time fan favourites that appeal to current Smash fans and encourage them to buy dlc. That might be pretty obvious, but an important factor I've been considering is that the Smash character ballot might still be used to choose these characters. The Smash Ballot is more than a few years old, and the speculation landscape may have changed a lot since, but it's still probably the best source of information to determine which characters are popular with fans. Even if there is a lot of support for certain characters that can be seen over social media, it would be hard for Nintendo to quantify support for those characters or how receptive a majority of fans would be towards those characters. It's also not possible to know how much support a character actually got during the Smash Ballots, but I think fan ballots and intuition can be used to make somewhat good guesses.

-Bayonetta, who may have won the ballot possibly...
-Hero, or Erdrick more specifically who was probably pretty popular on the Japanese side of the Ballot
-Banjo and Kazooie
-Steve? It's hard to determine but he does come up pretty frequently on fanmade Smash Ballots and his popularity would make sense

Fighting Game Characters
Characters who appeal to a large amount of general fighting game fans. Probably characters who attract people who are more interested in other, non-Smash, fighting games. I'm less certain about this category because these characters might be able to fit into fan favourites, and there's only two.

-Ryu
-Terry

Promotional Characters
Characters whose main purpose is to promote a specific Nintendo game/franchise, unlike other characters whose inclusion is meant to promote Smash dlc. Controversial characters some may refer to as "shill picks."

-Corrin
-Byleth
-Min Min who I'd call a promotional character rather than a fighting game character. She may be from a fighting game, but its a very different kind of game that doesn't have the same appeal as Street Fighter or Fatal Fury. Also, I think her inclusion did much more to promote ARMS to Smash fans than the other way around.



Anyways, just something I was thinking a lot about today and thought might be interesting.

Some thoughts

-Steve I would say is a Combination of everything on this list, including the Fan Demand, as I'm sure many of the 1.8 million people that voted on the ballot (which is WAY More than the hardcore fandom) like Minecraft and wanted to see it represented

-If Hero was considered a popular pick for Japan, I would also add Sephiroth to that list as well perhaps

-Min-Min might have been trying to promote to the Hardcore Fighting game crowd perhaps

-On the appeal to Hardcore Fighting games audience, it makes sense because as Smash is a Fighting game, There's gonna be alot of Fighting game players that play Smash. Getting characters from the Traditional side also furthers to appeal to people that are apprehensive of trying out a Non-Traditional Fighting game.

I think it's also very useful that Fighting game characters already have movesets ready for Fighting. It makes the Moveset conception easier to deal with, at least with knowning how to animate everything. Implementing the mechanics could be a challenge, but overall it's an advantage these characters

It's also kind of similar to the idea of Platformer characters, since there is alot of platforming in Smash. and with RPG's, it's because RPG's usually have Protags and characters get attached to, and Smash is all about pitting the characters together.

RPG's and Fighting game characters have dominated the DLC Character spread. Steve, Banjo, and Bayonetta were the only characters that strayed from the RPG and Fighting game dominance, and Bayonetta was the only character that added a genre not represented in Smash

I think we will definitely get another Fighting game Character, whether it's Chun-Li, Sol, Scorpion, or Ryu Hayabusa. The Ryu Amiibo theory might also be a point in this happening as well

With Lloyd missing, we might get another RPG Character as well. yes

 

[Cutie Gwen]

SMT OST is mad underrated.

I can only imagine how hype that would make me to see it in Smash.

I don't know what's worse, the fact that I fell for the 'haha funny meme it says it's one song but it's something else totally not annoying when trying to look a song up haha' or that the biggest SMT fan had enough faith in people that this was honest praise and not a Persona 5 meme video

 

[Idon]

I don't know what's worse, the fact that I fell for the 'haha funny meme it says it's one song but it's something else totally not annoying when trying to look a song up haha' or that the biggest SMT fan had enough faith in people that this was honest praise and not a Persona 5 meme video

Nah, this more than a meme video.

It's from the "King for a Day" music tournament SiivaGunner held a few months back. This entry is a Persona 5 x Shin Megami Tensei 1 mix, but the creator, Jack Bros, has Persona 2 remixes, a SMT3 common battle megamix, and an SMT4 B2 remix, among any others I might have missed. They're certified bangers, and don't have the same amount of ironic memery as the other contestants.

Still, SMT for Smash, the soundtrack would be rad.

 

[Adrianette Bromide]

Nah, this more than a meme video.

It's from the "King for a Day" music tournament SiivaGunner held a few months back. This entry is a Persona 5 x Shin Megami Tensei 1 mix, but the creator, Jack Bros, has Persona 2 remixes, a SMT3 common battle megamix, and an SMT4 B2 remix, among any others I might have missed. They're certified bangers, and don't have the same amount of ironic memery as the other contestants.

Still, SMT for Smash, the soundtrack would be rad.

When Tokyo - SMT IV (New Arrangement) starts playing, awwww yeah! You could probably make a Law and Chaos medley as well using their respective themes from the first games and the fight music of the Law and Chaos bosses of 4.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Nah, this more than a meme video.

It's from the "King for a Day" music tournament SiivaGunner held a few months back. This entry is a Persona 5 x Shin Megami Tensei 1 mix, but the creator, Jack Bros, has Persona 2 remixes, a SMT3 common battle megamix, and an SMT4 B2 remix, among any others I might have missed. They're certified bangers, and don't have the same amount of ironic memery as the other contestants.

Still, SMT for Smash, the soundtrack would be rad.

Damn here I thought the revelation would be your backstory as a Chaos aligned demon but it was actually Law all along

 

[Greyfox22]

Some thoughts

-Steve I would say is a Combination of everything on this list, including the Fan Demand, as I'm sure many of the 1.8 million people that voted on the ballot (which is WAY More than the hardcore fandom) like Minecraft and wanted to see it represented

-If Hero was considered a popular pick for Japan, I would also add Sephiroth to that list as well perhaps

-Min-Min might have been trying to promote to the Hardcore Fighting game crowd perhaps

-On the appeal to Hardcore Fighting games audience, it makes sense because as Smash is a Fighting game, There's gonna be alot of Fighting game players that play Smash. Getting characters from the Traditional side also furthers to appeal to people that are apprehensive of trying out a Non-Traditional Fighting game.

I think it's also very useful that Fighting game characters already have movesets ready for Fighting. It makes the Moveset conception easier to deal with, at least with knowning how to animate everything. Implementing the mechanics could be a challenge, but overall it's an advantage these characters

It's also kind of similar to the idea of Platformer characters, since there is alot of platforming in Smash. and with RPG's, it's because RPG's usually have Protags and characters get attached to, and Smash is all about pitting the characters together.

RPG's and Fighting game characters have dominated the DLC Character spread. Steve, Banjo, and Bayonetta were the only characters that strayed from the RPG and Fighting game dominance, and Bayonetta was the only character that added a genre not represented in Smash

I think we will definitely get another Fighting game Character, whether it's Chun-Li, Sol, Scorpion, or Ryu Hayabusa. The Ryu Amiibo theory might also be a point in this happening as well

With Lloyd missing, we might get another RPG Character as well. yes

Good points! I never even thought about Smash promoting ARMS to the more hardcore fighting game demographic but that makes total sense.

I'm expecting another fighting game character as well, and really really hoping for Chun-Li. Lloyd too, Smash is very RPG heavy I think that would kinda count as a fan pick considering Lloyd was pretty popular during the Smash Ballot days.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Nintendo and Sega never really cracked the UK like the Playstation did so to a certain generation he's probably like their Mario or Sonic.

British people feel free to correct me as I continue to speak for you.

I'd say it's pretty accurate. Nintendo and Sega didn't really take off until the Super Nintendo and Sega Mega Drive and I don't think either Mario or Sonic were heavily advertised unlike in the US.