Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Shroob]

Like, I can confirm that the Wayback Machine shows that a snapshot of the page was saved today


Issue is, it was its first and only snapshot ever, there wasn't even one in 2020 when the page went live. If the point is trying to prove a "NINTENDO CHANGED SOMETHING!", then you really cannot, due to the fact there's nothing to compare it to except for today.

 

[7NATOR]

Actually thinking about it, what does the page getting Archived (only on this day in mind) prove that the Page was edited? Vet, the Twitter says that the page getting archived shows the Page was edited by Nintendo, but I don't know if that exactly correlates

I think the thing especially is that Any person could archive the Webpage. Since this is something that could easily be Photoshopped, if this pic is fake, then it's likely the same person who had that pic could have archived it also to make things more suspicious and make the leak itself more juicy.

The actual archive page doesn't really prove much since it doesn't have the Leaked copyright, and seemingly no differences from the page today, or in the past.

The only thing I could see is perhaps someone who pays attention to the site has some type of Auto Archiving software that could detect any changes, but with that I would think we would be able to have an archive of the Page with the Leaked copyright

 

[Shroob]

Actually thinking about it, what does the page getting Archived (only on this day in mind) prove that the Page was edited? Vet, the Twitter says that the page getting archived shows the Page was edited by Nintendo, but I don't know if that exactly correlates

I think the thing especially is that Any person could archive the Webpage. Since this is something that could easily be Photoshopped, if this pic is fake, then it's likely the same person who had that pic could have archived it also to make things more suspicious and make the leak itself more juicy.

The actual archive page doesn't really prove much since it doesn't have the Leaked copyright, and seemingly no differences from the page today, or in the past.

The only thing I could see is perhaps someone who pays attention to the site has some type of Auto Archiving software that could detect any changes, but with that I would think we would be able to have an archive of the Page with the Leaked copyright

It honestly doesn't prove anything


Especially since the literal only archive of the page was today.



Like, if there were ones before it, sure, they COULD try to say "OH, THE PAGE WAS CHANGED!".... but there aren't any. That snapshot is the literal start of the archival process, there's nothing before it.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

My opinion is
A) I don't understand why the copyright isn't centered? Like Mojang, Square, and Bandai's credits on their pages are perfectly centered so I don't see why this isn't. A small thing, really, but hey.
B) That picture is literally the blurriest image I've ever seen in my life like holy cow I genuinely had to reread it like 5 times while squinting to get the company's name
C) It's a small bit of text on a white background, one of the easiest things to fake of all time. I could probably edit that in MS Paint, let alone Photoshop lmao

 

[N3ON]

No one set off that this copyright

Is different than this

and this

?

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

No one set off that this copyright

Is different than this
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and this
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?

This is also true, and after looking it up, Doom Eternal also has the "a ZeniMax Media company" bit stuck at the end, so it seems like anything Bethesda related would have that on it. Doom also has separate text for Id Software and its logos, something that Mojang has on Steve's page, so yeah pretty much everything on other Bethesda copyrights points to this being fake.

 

[NintenRob]

Did anyone else notice Mario Party superstars highlighting King Boo? Like the still before the talking about the game featured him, it was about the board he's on and he wasn't even in the original board (though King Boo replacing Big Boo is a nice touch)

Overlooked candidate imo.

 

[Arcanir]

No one set off that this copyright

Is different than this
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and this
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?

To add to this, assuming the character in question is Doomguy the copyright should also include id Software as they're the primary developers.

 

[BlondeLombax]

Shower thought I don't think has ever been brought up;
Min Min and Pyra/Mythra proved that base-game Spirits don't deconfirm the characters.
Kazuya proved that Mii costumes don't deconfirm the franchise they come from.

Does this mean we could get a fighter from a franchise that is already in with post-launch spirits?

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Shower thought I don't think has ever been brought up;
Min Min and Pyra/Mythra proved that base-game Spirits don't deconfirm the characters.
Kazuya proved that Mii costumes don't deconfirm the franchise they come from.

Does this mean we could get a fighter from a franchise that is already in with post-launch spirits?

I feel like that could be the case with Spirit events that were part of the first Pass, but not the second one, since everything would've been decided already. So like Travis Touchdown is dead, but something like Resident Evil could theoretically be possible.

 

[ForsakenM]

Did anyone else notice Mario Party superstars highlighting King Boo? Like the still before the talking about the game featured him, it was about the board he's on and he wasn't even in the original board (though King Boo replacing Big Boo is a nice touch)

Overlooked candidate imo.

The list of Nintendo characters that are more universally requested is too damn high for the undead greedy overlord to get in. He needs to wait his turn, just like the rest have.

After like, two or three more Mario characters, THEN we can talk turkey.

Shower thought I don't think has ever been brought up;
Min Min and Pyra/Mythra proved that base-game Spirits don't deconfirm the characters.
Kazuya proved that Mii costumes don't deconfirm the franchise they come from.

Does this mean we could get a fighter from a franchise that is already in with post-launch spirits?

I think that people have been talking about RE recently with the thought that RE Spirit were during Pass 1's timeframe, so things may have changed.

 

[BlondeLombax]

I feel like that could be the case with Spirit events that were part of the first Pass, but not the second one, since everything would've been decided already. So like Travis Touchdown is dead, but something like Resident Evil could theoretically be possible.

That is precisely what I meant.

So, Tofu FTW, anybody?

 

[Smooth Criminal]

If only I had my old Chief avatar

Smooth Criminal

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

If only I had my old Chief avatar

Smooth Criminal

oh hey bud, didn't expect to see you here this time of night! especially not while i was on instead of going to bed lmao

 

[N3ON]

If only I had my old Chief avatar

Smooth Criminal

My god if it isn't

Smooth Criminal

 

[Shroob]

So, basically it goes like this:


1# Person decides to make a fake leak

2# They decided on going the "SNK Leak" route, where "Nintendo leaked the copyright!"

3# Make fake screenshot

4# Manually archive the page on the Wayback Machine, which is something literally anyone can do

5# Post screenshot on Twitter

6# Have an accomplice bring attention to the Wayback Machine and say the site was 'changed'



The issue with their plan, however, is that despite the Website in question existing since Byleth's presentation in January 2020, it was never archived up to that point.... UNTIL TODAY, which just soo conveniently lined up with a supposed Nintendo copyright leak. It's very curious that the first time ever said site appears on the WBM, just happens to be a day where some bozos are claiming that Nintendo was covering up a supposed copyright leak.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

Shower thought I don't think has ever been brought up;
Min Min and Pyra/Mythra proved that base-game Spirits don't deconfirm the characters.
Kazuya proved that Mii costumes don't deconfirm the franchise they come from.

Does this mean we could get a fighter from a franchise that is already in with post-launch spirits?

Which means an Undertale character isn't out of the cards yet....

 

[---]

Not surprised that they only announced a Direct but I am surprised that it's that far away. Maybe Tokyo Game Show pushed it back IDK? It's going to be a long 12 days.

If only I had my old Chief avatar

Smooth Criminal

Cool to see you checking back in every once in a while. lol

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I just find it funny it's the same day as Nickelodeon All-Stars Brawl.

Which actually would make it hilarious if it's somehow not a game character. So, it won't be that hilarious then.

 

[Metal Shop X]

If only I had my old Chief avatar

Smooth Criminal

Heyyy, what's up you smooth smooth criminal?

 

[DarthEnderX]

If that Actraiser game REALLY wants to impress me, it'll add in the Actraiser 2 levels, and then make city building sections for them that were inexplicably left out of 2...

 

[Jondolio]

Wait there's a leak?

 

[Shroob]

Wait there's a leak?

Yeah but it's like 99.999999999% fake.


Earlier today a person posted a blurry as hell screenshot of CP11's page and said that "Nintendo did a SNK leak again", and in the blurriness, there was Bethesda.


Then later, a 2nd person posted that the Wayback Machine supposedly showed that the page had been edited that day.


2 things though.


1# The Wayback machine does not show the page had actually been edited, and said page had conveniently only started being tracked by it the same day as the supposed leak.

2# The copyright info for Bethesda is wrong.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Hypothetically speaking, would the copyright on any Bethesda character be the copyright info of when it was part of Zenimax or would it need to be updated to be different now that Microsoft owns it?

 

[Shroob]

Hypothetically speaking, would the copyright on any Bethesda character be the copyright info of when it was part of Zenimax or would it need to be updated to be different now that Microsoft owns it?

I'd imagine it'd follow suit like the Vault Boy and Dragonborn costumes do, as Neon posted above.


Considering neither of them mention Microsoft, and at the very least Dragonborn was added long after the merger...

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Hmm

What I think what it might be hinting towards is we probably aren't getting a character like Kazuya or Steve, characters that would appeal to Audiences perhaps not paying attention to Smash specifically

I feel less inclined (Not impossible, just less inclined) to believe in something like Fortnite or Master Chief being the character as an example. Steve did get revealed in a Separate direct, but not only was there no Real Direct in 2020, but also it was tie in to Minecon

We had a whole Direct to show off who CP11 was today, but they decided not to do that. That doesn't mean the character would be unexciting, I'm just unsure if we are going to see Bombshell in New Territory, that characters like Chief and Jonsey would be example of. I'm thinking either it's new Territory that has more niche appeal the Some of the Big League franchises, or we are rethreading on Old ground in terms of character choices (already represented franchises)


Of course, what this could also be an example of is Sakurai wanting to keep tradition of the Final character getting revealed in it's own Presentation. Ever since Smash 4 Base game, none of the Final fighters have been revealed in a Regular Direct, but their own presentation, and this might be something similar now.

Personally I think CP11 Primary goal is to appeal to audiences already Playing Smash. Min Min, Pyra/Mythra, and Sephiroth already do that, but I think CP11 is gonna take it to a Higher level I think. Bayonetta is an example, as despite being a New Franchise (If Niche) her main reason for getting in was Fan requests due to the ballot (even if she was chosen before that was a thing).

They Didn't reveal this character in the Direct because this Character is for people already tuned into Smash I'm thinking. I have Two Particular characters in Mind, but you might Disagree

Let me guess, Shadow and Waluigi? Well I still believe an AT promotion is possible.

 

[Shroob]

I'll give credit where credit's due.


They tried to make a fake leak that proved that not a lot of people actually knew how the WaybackMachine worked.


And at the very least, they succeeded in that.

 

[Pinguino21v]

What I think what it might be hinting towards is we probably aren't getting a character like Kazuya or Steve, characters that would appeal to Audiences perhaps not paying attention to Smash specifically

I feel less inclined (Not impossible, just less inclined) to believe in something like Fortnite or Master Chief being the character as an example. Steve did get revealed in a Separate direct, but not only was there no Real Direct in 2020, but also it was tie in to Minecon

We had a whole Direct to show off who CP11 was today, but they decided not to do that. That doesn't mean the character would be unexciting, I'm just unsure if we are going to see Bombshell in New Territory, that characters like Chief and Jonsey would be example of. I'm thinking either it's new Territory that has more niche appeal the Some of the Big League franchises, or we are rethreading on Old ground in terms of character choices (already represented franchises)

I agree. If it is a third party, to me, it's either Phoenix Wright or Rayman. Nobody else.

But it's most likely of first party, and on that, I would mostly bet on a Zelda character, or eventually an AT upgrade of Waluigi or Isaac.

 

[Kokiden]

Late to the party, but a very interesting Nintendo Direct.

Really stoked they're bringing N64 games back. I can finally play Banjo Kazooie again after all these years, and it's likely they'll onboard Banjo Tooie later on down the line. N64 graphics Zelda OoT and MM is most welcome too. Pokemon Snap and Mario Kart 64... oh how I've missed you.

Mario Party with previous game boards and mini games is also great too.

I am still... processing... the Bayo 3 trailer. Definitely my most anticipated switch game at the moment and... yes, still processing... The trailer did say it wasn't actual gameplay footage so I'm chalking it up to a bad trailer.

Not really digging her new design but would be nice if that got into smash just for the sake of variety (highly doubt it though)

As for Smash itself, in a way, I think it's a good thing there will be one last proper send off presentation for it, instead of just a few minutes trailer in a Nintendo Direct shared with other games. It's not that far away anyway, so no biggie.

 

[3BitSaurus]

Also can I just say how jarring it was hearing the guy who normally dubs over Sakurai dubbing over Miyamoto?


That was just weird and threw me off entirely.

Could be worse. Could be Chris Pratt dubbing Sakurai and Jack Black dubbing Miyamoto.

...Still can't believe that wasn't just a fever dream lol.

 

[The Rhythm Theif]

OK, but Crunch Bandicoot is the actor for Kamek.

Not only that, Star Lord is the actor for Mario.

 

[Bobthealligator]

Yeah but it's like 99.999999999% fake.


Earlier today a person posted a blurry as hell screenshot of CP11's page and said that "Nintendo did a SNK leak again", and in the blurriness, there was Bethesda.


Then later, a 2nd person posted that the Wayback Machine supposedly showed that the page had been edited that day.


2 things though.


1# The Wayback machine does not show the page had actually been edited, and said page had conveniently only started being tracked by it the same day as the supposed leak.

2# The copyright info for Bethesda is wrong.

1# is enough to discount it, but 2# isn't really true, they tend to format the copyright for Fighters and Mii Costumes differently, with the Fighters usually just showing the name of the company (I have absolutely no idea why), people used the same logic to explain why the SNK leak was probably fake too. I do find the positioning odd though.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Happy Friday campers
Just hear to remind you that stand-alone direct reveals are more likely to get leaked than giant presentation reveals in directs of TGA so be cautious

 

[MarioRaccoon]

Don’t like to ask to others, but PSIGuy does your “source” still confident for MC after yesterday’s events?

btw, the last smash fighter is getting revealed the same week as switch oled hardware releases.

IDK anymore if thats good or bad hahaha.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

How long until we see people say they fon like bayos new outfit because it isnt a skin tight suit because she looks adorable in that dress with her hair in braids

 

[Momotsuki]

No one set off that this copyright

Is different than this
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and this
View attachment 331427
?

To add to this, I can literally, with my own eyes, see how edited in that Bethesda trademark is. They didn't even use Inspect, that's just Paint.
This ain't it, chief.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Wouldnt it be funny is Platnium acknowledged how peoplw pair Bayo and Dante together?

 

[Eldrake]

Kind of a blunder to go out of your way to use Wayback Machine to fabricate a fake leak when it turned out the direct only merely announced the final presentation date, not gonna lie.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

So my ideas of what will be voming in the October New Horizons update, i think we will be able to make more types of clothings like pants and skirts. Would be cool if we could make shoes

 

[GilTheGreat19]

To add to this, I can literally, with my own eyes, see how edited in that Bethesda trademark is. They didn't even use Inspect, that's just Paint.
This ain't it, chief.

Not to mention I saw someone on Twitter pull off the same stunt with the words “Epic Games”, further proving that this **** can be faked no problem.