Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Tbh the only reason I put any stock into Nahobino is because this is the last character and they've historically been promotional picks. Other than that there's nothing that sets him apart from the rest besides his luscious locks. Either way I'm hype for SMT V but the last smash character is a mystery as usual.

I don't think Bayonetta was a promo pick.

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

there’s no logic in this whatsoever. Especially when atlus themselves came out and threw sakurai under a bus when they said he went to them to get persona content specifically and never even batted an eye at any other fnrechsies they had.

your logic seems to evolve around sakurai going to atlus when picking joker and atlus letting sakurai choose an SMT rep as well which clearly didn’t happen thanks to the comments we had from the atlus board director

This is just made up nonsense.

Nobody said anything about Sakurai not coming away with a SMT rep, all we know that is that Joker wouldn’t have happened if Sakurai(and Nintendo)didn’t want him.

 

[FreeFox]

Tbh the only reason I put any stock into Nahobino is because this is the last character and they've historically been promotional picks. Other than that there's nothing that sets him apart from the rest besides his luscious locks. Either way I'm hype for SMT V but the last smash character is a mystery as usual.

In my case, I am a SMT fan so I am here for any recognition for the series.

 

[Idon]

I don't think Bayonetta was a promo pick.

I think they're referring to Corrin in this case

 

[SNEKeater]

If they just said "a trailer will be released this month" then this probably is the trailer.

Since July they've been doing a section called SMTV News. This one right here is the last one, from August.

Each one of those has been preceded by PV trailers, which so far have been the big ones. So far we got 3 PV trailers as Idon explained. First one was the E3 one, second one from July where a week later we got SMTV News Volume 1, then the third PV trailer in August with the second volume of SMTV News the following week.

In these SMTV News videos they basically expand and give us more info about things showed in the most recent PV trailer at the time.

We know the next SMTV News livestream is scheduled for late September, a detail they say at the end of the video I've just posted.

That's why I was saying I feel like the Direct is going to take place next week, among other reasons. We'll have the Nintendo Direct next week with the newest SMTV trailer (PV #4), and then the week after the trailer will get it's corresponding deep dive with another SMTV News livestream, which would happen during late September as they just informed us in August.

If my memory serves me right, Nintendo promoted the heck out of DQ11S before the Smash release of Hero. He came off from my POV as a bonafide shill pick because of how they were pushing 11S. Again doesn't really mean much for Nahobino besides that SMTV's promotion by Nintendo sort of mirrors DQ's.

They also promoted Monster Hunter: Rise a lot, and while it got Smash content... it wasn't a fighter.

And Monster Hunter is a big IP in Japan, just like Dragon Quest, and MH: Rise is a console exclusive unlike DQXIS, so if we just talk about promotion, Nintendo had more reason to add the Hunter from MH than the DQ Heroes.

What I mean is, yeah, SMTV being a Switch exclusive and being significantly marketed by both Atlus and Nintendo is definitely a good sign and not a point against a SMT character, but I literally remember some people here in January/February being quite convinced about the Hunter being CP9. And we know the end of that story.

 

[Baba]

I personally think Nahobino is somewhat likely just because it seems like a very "smash" pick.
I'm gonna sound salty here, but there is absolutely a JRPG bias with Smash nowadays and Nahobino would feel very similar to the Corrin/Byleth finales we've gotten in the past. It'd also make the whole thing come full circle starting with Joker and ending with Naho.

I hope I'm wrong though... Really hoping for an FPS rep.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I think they're referring to Corrin in this case

But that would make it the last two characters, which skews the picks even more to "probably not promotional".

• Corrin
• Bayonetta
• Terry
• Byleth
• Kazuya
• ???

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Pretty ironic to end with Nahobino.

Began with an Altus rep and ends with one as well.

 

[N3ON]

Tbf Corrin and Bayo were both the last characters. Corrin's reveal only preceded Bayo by a handful of minutes and they released simultaneously. One has to come before the other in the order, but for all intents and purposes they really are both last.

It'd be like saying Roy came before Ryu in Smash 4. Reveal wise by a few minutes, sure, but not really.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Tbf Corrin and Bayo were both the last characters. Corrin's reveal only preceded Bayo by a handful of minutes and they released simultaneously. One has to come before the other in the order, but for all intents and purposes they really are both last.

It'd be like saying Roy came before Ryu in Smash 4. Reveal wise by a few minutes, sure, but not really.

I guess that makes sense.

Still...Two isn't a pattern.

 

[HYRULESHERO42]

yea barrel cannon would be a cool up b

hopefully they revamp him in the next game

I wouldn’t say no to a barrel cannon up+b but please don’t change his A moves

 

[Baba]

I wouldn’t say no to a barrel cannon up+b but please don’t change his A moves

oh yeah I like DK's normal moves.
The headbutt and spin just have much better alternatives.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Let's be real; the reveal order really only matters because Ultimate is ordering characters that way.

It has no real purpose otherwise when characters are obviously revealed in the same overall set of trailers/videos. Like a bunch of Brawl's Newcomers are pretty much all revealed at the same time overall. Was it really relevant to discussion? No. I mean, sure, it's relevant to some kind of wiki, since character order is taken into account in various instances, but whether it's reveal, how the CSS is done, or whatever. And so on.

Still doesn't make it useful for actual discussion most of the time.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Toby Fox is streaming Deltarune on the 15th next week.

Nintendo likes Undertale and Deltarune.

Nintendo Direct is likely for next week if they don't skip this year.

This is how Frisk wins.

 

[N3ON]

I guess that makes sense.

Still...Two isn't a pattern.

I agree people shouldn't get too invested on it having to be a promotional character.

Patterns aside, I also just don't think there are many plausible options for who it'd be. I think recent or future titles are timed out, and I don't foresee them having left a Gen 8 until last considering those games aren't being promoted anymore.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I wouldn’t say no to a barrel cannon up+b but please don’t change his A moves

Yeah. I like his normals. They do what they're needed and don't feel out of character. The only reason why I would change one of them is if it needs to do something else for whatever reason.

Let's be real; the reveal order really only matters because Ultimate is ordering characters that way.

It has no real purpose otherwise when characters are obviously revealed in the same overall set of trailers/videos. Like a bunch of Brawl's Newcomers are pretty much all revealed at the same time overall. Was it really relevant to discussion? No. I mean, sure, it's relevant to some kind of wiki, since character order is taken into account in various instances, but whether it's reveal, how the CSS is done, or whatever. And so on.

Still doesn't make it useful for actual discussion most of the time.

You seem to have taken the point out of the context of the argument (which is fine since it wasn't quoting anyone). The point was to help establish that Corrin was the last DLC fighter for his wave along with Bayonetta, which is relevant because I was contesting a point that all of the final fighters had promotional picks.

Toby Fox is streaming Deltarune on the 15th next week.

Nintendo likes Undertale and Deltarune.

Nintendo Direct is likely for next week if they don't skip this year.

This is how Frisk wins.

If it was to promote Deltarune wouldn't it be Kris that wins?

 

[TheCJBrine]

If it was to promote Deltarune wouldn't it be Kris that wins?

Mayhaps; I'm not sure. Since it's still part of the Undertale series, I think (has a lot of the same characters and same art style and stuff, just an alternate universe), I believe it could still be Frisk, but Kris would also be cool (just disappointed in no possible Chara alt.).

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

You seem to have taken the point out of the context of the argument (which is fine since it wasn't quoting anyone). The point was to help establish that Corrin was the last DLC fighter for his wave along with Bayonetta, which is relevant because I was contesting a point that all of the final fighters had promotional picks.

To be fair, that's exactly what I mean by "most of the time". In this case, yes, the last character of 4 wasn't a promotional pick(since it was Bayonetta).

That's a rare case where a character order is relevant to the conversation. Technically I was agreeing with you, since I was saying it can matter, it's just rarely. Sorry for the confusion, since I was speaking in general. I did miss the context, yeah.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Mayhaps; I'm not sure. Since it's still part of the Undertale series, I think (has a lot of the same characters and same art style and stuff, just an alternate universe)...

Series with rotating casts like this tend to go with the current protagonist.

In the hypothetical scenario in which it is Kris though, Sans might be able to make it in later due to being pretty iconic for the series.

Chara

Heh heh. Chara(cter).

This has been a 100% original joke that no one has ever made before. Not even the devs when naming the character.

 

[SKX31]

Just out of curiosity, what is Donkey Kong's Headbutt used for?

• Storm Punch is just a big callout hit, which I think makes total sense for him (other than the fact that he looks super pissed off, he's not generally an angry character)
• Hand Slap is...I dunno if it has much use either, but it's one of his signature moves so I'm not really mad at it.
• Spinning Kong I think is a reference to Dixie Kong's hair twirl.

Headbutt is the only thing that isn't really in the games, and also doesn't really seem to have a purpose.

Canonically? I don't think DK headbutts that much if at all in the games (please do correct me if I'm wrong), although it is a recurring aspect within the series. One example SSBWiki notes is pretty ironic: Diddy's Chimpy Charge in 64.

I'm gonna say that Sakurai worked in the move primarily to introduce the Bury status effect in Melee.

In Smash I've seen it used for a few things besides its intended bury use. The super armor can help DK snap to ledge, and DK player ChunkyKong used the move this way a few times during this set (timestamped):

I agree people shouldn't get too invested on it having to be a promotional character.

Patterns aside, I also just don't think there are many plausible options for who it'd be. I think recent or future titles are timed out, and I don't foresee them having left a Gen 8 until last considering those games aren't being promoted anymore.

It's also a bit of a weird gray area here since there's not that much precedence surrounding a 3rd party promotional character* and there's presumably not many first / second party promotional characters left so to speak (those who haven't been a part of a standalone Spirit Event etc.). If they were to shatter precedence re: the former it'd be really interesting, but it's an extremely difficult to tell if it could happen or not right now.

* One could argue , but he was already established on the 3DS / PS4 beforehand. Which does leave the nature of the promotion a bit murky: they celebrated DQ's history etc. as a main selling point behind that Challenger Pack, but they also took the opportunity to promote XI S.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Toby Fox is streaming Deltarune on the 15th next week.

Nintendo likes Undertale and Deltarune.

Nintendo Direct is likely for next week if they don't skip this year.

This is how Frisk wins.

Factor in Toby Fox having went to Japan and visit Sakurai at his house to play Smash even beating him.

Frisk also wears purple.

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

Are you suggesting SMTV will get a character or are you suggesting it will simply get content? Because that sounds like goalpost moving from your driving point of playability.

Of course not. Even if SMT already had a rep in Smash and Nintendo specifically said Nahobino isn’t getting in you would have to be an idiot not to think SMT V is getting spirits. Saying that SMT V is getting Smash content instead of a fighter is saying absolutely nothing.

I'm pretty sure they're MegatenHistory/CerusSerenade from GameFAQS too

Who the hell is CerusSerenade?

 

[Idon]

Personally, I feel like SMTV is in the spotlight now because of 2 reasons:
Me and my support thread's continued support throughout the years.

1. Recency:
   This happens around every time we get close to a Nintendo direct or event that also has another unrelated gaming event happening. I feel like we've gone through several games now where we've likened the increase marketing for a game to mean that Smash would coincide a reveal trailer to match the swell in popularity. I believe this can really only be said to happen with Byleth/FE3H and Hero/DQ11S Port.
2. Lack of Alternatives:
   It almost appears like every other character in popular discussion when it comes to smash has had some sort of "... but" attached to it. From developer interviews to company controversy and especially disconfirmations like DLC spirit events and mii costumes. It's strange then that something as niche but juuuuuuuuust popular enough to be noticed by Smash speculators hasn't been directly denied yet. As it stands, people are viewing this as a darkhorse pick because all the other horses were disqualified to begin with.

Compared to the other DLC characters we currently have (except maybe Pyra/Mythra), it almost feels like SMTV is too obvious of a pick considering how it lacks any of the strange quirks that the other FP2 characters have. Not an objective analysis on their chances or anything, just my thoughts.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

As far as Undertale goes, I think Frisk is the best choice due to his ability to portray the game's themes. Said ability would make designing him a bit of a nightmare, but it's there.

Sans I think makes an excellent 2nd pick, as he gets to show you how the game's battle mechanics work by giving his opponent small platforming challenges in the form of grounded projectiles, using strange blue projectiles that don't hit you while you aren't moving, messing with the opponent's stats/abilities. That sort of thing.

I dunno anything about Kris or what's going on in Deltarune though.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Nahobino does feel like someone who could kill off Dharkon in a hypothetical trailer, too.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Personally, I feel like SMTV is in the spotlight now because of 2 reasons:
Me and my support thread's continued support throughout the years.

1. Recency:
   This happens around every time we get close to a Nintendo direct or event that also has another unrelated gaming event happening. I feel like we've gone through several games now where we've likened the increase marketing for a game to mean that Smash would coincide a reveal trailer to match the swell in popularity. I believe this can really only be said to happen with Byleth/FE3H and Hero/DQ11S Port.
2. Lack of Alternatives:
   It almost appears like every other character in popular discussion when it comes to smash has had some sort of "... but" attached to it. From developer interviews to company controversy and especially disconfirmations like DLC spirit events and mii costumes. It's strange then that something as niche but juuuuuuuuust popular enough to be noticed by Smash speculators hasn't been directly denied yet. As it stands, people are viewing this as a darkhorse pick because all the other horses were disqualified to begin with.

Compared to the other DLC characters we currently have (except maybe Pyra/Mythra), it almost feels like SMTV is too obvious of a pick considering how it lacks any of the strange quirks that the other FP2 characters have. Not an objective analysis on their chances or anything, just my thoughts.

To add onto this, the prospect of a promotional pick has kind of dominated speculation, and the only other notable games that are primed for this (and not disconfirmed) are:

• WarioWare: Get it Together-It...It's WarioWare. It's not getting a promo pick.
• Metroid Dread-Similar to the above, Metroid is still a bit too low key for most to imagine Nintendo having the confidence to give it a promotional Super Smash Bros. Character.
• Pokémon Legends: Arceus-This is more like it as far as series importance to Nintendo goes, but it would still be quite awkward, as the game wouldn't be out for quite a while after time the character drops in all regions.
  • The stage would also probably look way better than the actual game does, which would be bad for business. lol
• Fire Emblem Heroes-Nintendo has proven that they like this series, but I swear if their response to Byleth was to add another Fire Emblem character as the final fighter, I will figuratively facepalm so hard I'll receive brain damage.

Not a lot of promise there. Which...is probably what you just said, but with extra steps.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Isn’t the Deltarune Stream to celebrate Undertales 6th anniversary?

I don’t think this is promoting anything. Though I’d love to be proven wrong.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Isn’t the Deltarune Stream to celebrate Undertales 6th anniversary?

I don’t think this is promoting anything. Though I’d love to be proven wrong.

Well...Deltarune, probably.


But not for Super Smash Bros. No.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Speaking of anniversary...
Crash's 25th anniversary is tomorrow. I'm expecting something relating to his series to be announced at the PS showcase, and I'm curious as to if Nintendo would acknowledge it somehow (NOT involving Smash ofc, because ofc not everything revolves around smash lol)

 

[TheCJBrine]

As far as Undertale goes, I think Frisk is the best choice due to his ability to portray the game's themes. Said ability would make designing him a bit of a nightmare, but it's there.

Sans I think makes an excellent 2nd pick, as he gets to show you how the game's battle mechanics work by giving his opponent small platforming challenges in the form of grounded projectiles, using strange blue projectiles that don't hit you while you aren't moving, messing with the opponent's stats/abilities. That sort of thing.

I dunno anything about Kris or what's going on in Deltarune though.

Deltarune’s battle system is mostly like Undertale’s, where you can Fight or Act and you dodge bullets, except it also incorporates a grazing mechanic where you build up a special meter if you can let opponents’ bullets get close to you without hitting you. The special stuff lets you use some moves that require it.

Its fighting is a little different, too, having your party’s characters actually appear in the world during battle, although you still have to time your attack to get the most damage like in Undertale (there’s some different fighting moves too, though, or at least Rude Buster, but they may also be in the ACT menu despite dealing damage; I don’t remember the specifics exactly).

 

[Gnateb]

What games are you all looking forward to the most? 2022 is looking pretty good so far, at least for me!

 

[skylanders fan]

What games are you all looking forward to the most? 2022 is looking pretty good so far, at least for me!

BOTW 2 and legends arceus for sure

 

[Dukefire]

I think a lot of us are believing into coincidences with ONLY one challenger left. Nothing wrong, just don't too wrapped up into the character as surprises tend to mostly not satisfy one's wishes.

 

[Baba]

What games are you all looking forward to the most? 2022 is looking pretty good so far, at least for me!

Metroid Dread is my most anticipated game atm, but there is a lot of really good stuff on the horizon.

Mario Party Superstars, WarioWare, Nickelodeon Brawl, Super Monkey Ball, Elden Ring, Halo Infinite... there's a lot.

 

[Dan Quixote]

Metroid Dread is my most anticipated game atm, but there is a lot of really good stuff on the horizon.

Mario Party Superstars, WarioWare, Nickelodeon Brawl, Super Monkey Ball, Elden Ring, Halo Infinite... there's a lot.

Yeah this is a pretty awesome year for Nintendo all things considered. If you're like me and realize that logically but also don't FEEL the hype, blame the pandemic and Smash speculation lol.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Nahobino does feel like someone who could kill off Dharkon in a hypothetical trailer, too.

Based on what?! He hasn't DONE anything yet!

 

[Shroob]

Based on what?! He hasn't DONE anything yet!

Well, he's a SMT protag.

You can't be one unless you have on your resume "Kill God". Bonus points if it also has "Also kill the Devil."

 

[kylexv]

Pic of the Day:

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Today in 1983, "Mario Bros." (Mario Bros.) will be released on the NES! Not a supermarket. The original is an arcade game version that came out when the NES was released. There were many settings where two people could play at the same time with one coin, which was a great deal. … But we promise that the two of us will soon have a battle.

 

[SNEKeater]

Personally, I feel like SMTV is in the spotlight now because of 2 reasons:
Me and my support thread's continued support throughout the years.

1. Recency:
   This happens around every time we get close to a Nintendo direct or event that also has another unrelated gaming event happening. I feel like we've gone through several games now where we've likened the increase marketing for a game to mean that Smash would coincide a reveal trailer to match the swell in popularity. I believe this can really only be said to happen with Byleth/FE3H and Hero/DQ11S Port.
2. Lack of Alternatives:
   It almost appears like every other character in popular discussion when it comes to smash has had some sort of "... but" attached to it. From developer interviews to company controversy and especially disconfirmations like DLC spirit events and mii costumes. It's strange then that something as niche but juuuuuuuuust popular enough to be noticed by Smash speculators hasn't been directly denied yet. As it stands, people are viewing this as a darkhorse pick because all the other horses were disqualified to begin with.

Compared to the other DLC characters we currently have (except maybe Pyra/Mythra), it almost feels like SMTV is too obvious of a pick considering how it lacks any of the strange quirks that the other FP2 characters have. Not an objective analysis on their chances or anything, just my thoughts.

It doesn't help that speculation has basically kinda "died" in the last few months. A good amount of popular names are out (or seen as disconfirmed) thanks to Mii costumes, spirits or random interviews.
Then you add the fact we're at a point where we barely have frontrunners left to talk about, which usually were popular names and will always generate more talk than anyone else, and where most people just feels that CP11 could be literally anyone.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Pic of the Day:


Today in 1983, "Mario Bros." (Mario Bros.) will be released on the NES! Not a supermarket. The original is an arcade game version that came out when the NES was released. There were many settings where two people could play at the same time with one coin, which was a great deal. … But we promise that the two of us will soon have a battle.

Ah yes: The stage where someone throws a crab at you, and then you die.