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Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

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Didn’t you s*** talk a bunch of characters in the game yesterday and talked about how Waluigi and Toad deserved to be in Smash more than them?
No that wasn't the point of my argument, basically what I was saying is that they did deserve to be in more than the characters we got, but I wasn't upset about it. There are some DLC characters that upset me, but mainly only the promotional characters.

All I'm saying is that regardless of who the final character is, a lot of people will be upset, which is a pretty common opinion and I don't know why you're so upset about it.
 
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It’s likely the entirety of the Newcomer Speculation sub-forum will be closed until we get some kinda rumors or confirmation of the next Smash game, just like we always do. I don’t think we’ll open a Socia here either since there is now a whole sub forum dedicated to just that. I imagine everyone who wishes to stick around after the Speculation stops will fit in quite nicely over in The Social Thread and hopefully y’all will have fun talking about whatever you want over there when it does happen.

However, we know there’s always an emigration from the boards after there is nothing to look forward to. It’s inevitable and just know you’ll be missed until next time!
This makes sense but I feel like I've noticed some of the threads in this sub-forum aren't really dedicated to Smash anymore but rather to talk about the franchise that the character in the title is from. Y'know to discuss new releases or media instead of just talking about their chances for Smash. Will those threads all be closed, too?
 

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This makes sense but I feel like I've noticed some of the threads in this sub-forum aren't really dedicated to Smash anymore but rather to talk about the franchise that the character in the title is from. Y'know to discuss new releases or media instead of just talking about their chances for Smash. Will those threads all be closed, too?
Well to be fair...

They kinda shouldn't be doing that much anyways....
 

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This makes sense but I feel like I've noticed some of the threads in this sub-forum aren't really dedicated to Smash anymore but rather to talk about the franchise that the character in the title is from. Y'know to discuss new releases or media instead of just talking about their chances for Smash. Will those threads all be closed, too?
No because they’re still relevant to Smash Ultimate. New discoveries in a character that’s already in and discussion about them and their games are welcome to flourish in those threads if people want to indulge.
 

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No that wasn't the point of my argument, basically what I was saying is that they did deserve to be in more than the characters we got, but I wasn't upset about it. There are some DLC characters that upset me, but mainly only the promotional characters.

All I'm saying is that regardless of who the final character is, a lot of people will be upset, which is a pretty common opinion and I don't know why you're so upset about it.
you’re basing your argument that waluigi and toad are deserving off being in smash before the rest of the dlc characters we have on popularity. Popularity alone isn’t an indication that a character is more deserving than others.

until waluigi gets his own game he won’t ever be deserving than 80% of reps. All he has going for him is popularity whilst the rest of the dlc characters have games going for them and actual movesets.

on a side note you’d have more of an argument if you had just left waluigi out of it and said captain toad instead of a normal toad since captain toad at least has a game that is cannon to mainline mario and isn’t seen as a spin-off.
 

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It’s likely the entirety of the Newcomer Speculation sub-forum will be closed until we get some kinda rumors or confirmation of the next Smash game, just like we always do. I don’t think we’ll open a Socia here either since there is now a whole sub forum dedicated to just that. I imagine everyone who wishes to stick around after the Speculation stops will fit in quite nicely over in The Social Thread and hopefully y’all will have fun talking about whatever you want over there when it does happen.
Well honestly the thing is, I enjoy talking about Smash Bros and I come to this website specifically for Smash Bros.

While I can technially do that in the Social thread we have right now, it's more often than not, not Smash- movies, television, books, day-to-day occurrences, food, animals etc etc. I don't particularly care about any of that nor do I want to sift through that content to discuss things I actually am interested in or receive repeated notifications about that. Don't get me wrong, I like most of the people there, I just come on this website specifically to talk about one thing.

Previously, we had a "Smash Social" which talked about everything relating to Smash from newcomers to setting up online matches or talking about character ideas and whatnot. In fact, I only came to post in the newcomer-discussion thread as it was the only thread where a decent amount of people gather to talk specifically about Smash Bros after the closure of that Smash Social. I understand it did regularly devolve into off-topic posting (mainly on the feasibility of newcomers) which had to be moderated and as such a general social was established.

However, when this subsection of Smashboards closes, might I recommend recreating a thread like that? I feel like a forum wherein its users can primarily talk talk about its namesake in a single all-encompassing thread that doesn't also include off-topic things would be greatly beneficial to the user experience. I just don't want my options for Smash related talk to be "Everything Feasible," or... "just Competitive Discussion."
 
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"The YOUR characters is less desserving than MINE" argument can **** off please.
Like and enjoy your character, don't put down other's taste.
All characters are desserving a way or another just for the fact that they have fans behind them.

In the end the decision has been made two years ago by Nintendo and Sakurai, the character is probably already done and close to release. Arguing won't change anything except for your E-penis and self ego.
 
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No that wasn't the point of my argument, basically what I was saying is that they did deserve to be in more than the characters we got, but I wasn't upset about it. There are some DLC characters that upset me, but mainly only the promotional characters.

All I'm saying is that regardless of who the final character is, a lot of people will be upset, which is a pretty common opinion and I don't know why you're so upset about it.
Cause it kinda seemed you were s****ing on the support threads specifically when a good lot of them have been plenty respectful relative to the speculation scene as a whole.
 
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So far as I've seen, PSO2 and NGS for the Switch hasn't been announced for the West. I don't think it's impossible, but one of the issues that could turn off people with PSO2 and NGS on the Switch is that it uses a Cloud system/cloud gaming, like what happened with Resident Evil 7, and considering how cloud gaming is not exactly popular, especially with the Switch, it's possible the devs in the West don't see any potential profit to port the Switch version over.

The other potential reasoning is that Microsoft is responsible for the PSO2/NGS servers in the West, so bringing PSO2/NGS to the Switch to the West wouldn't just require Nintendo and Sega, but Microsoft as well. It isn't impossible since all 3 companies seem to have a good relationship, but maybe they see porting it over as a hassle when it requires a bunch of big companies working together to port one game.
Makes sense. Shame, I'd probably stick with PC, but I think having an MMO on the go could be a cool experience for a lot of people.

Do we have a launch date for NGS on the Switch, though? Just curious.
 

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I'm relatively new to this the Speculator Discussion Volume II, but I will miss it all the same. I've learned a surprising amount of things about the various characters and games and of course the sometimes frenetic and heated discussions are usually great.

Unless it's WahHahaha posting. (jk bro u aite).
 

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Weird to think that the speculation is about to end to be fair.
I still remember joining this website, years ago, claimouring for Cloud Strife and Roy coming back to Smash for smash 4 days (which both happened jfc, Still can't believe it)

Then, coming back to the rabbit hole for the Ultimate Speculation, and having this weird relationship pre-release where I knew some stuff thanks to beta-testers and some friends. (Notably the final roster and Hero being in back in July before the game released) and then all of the drama, the Banjo vs Steve discourse (funny in insight now that both are here) , Geno being a Nono forever, the GRINCH TOXICITY, the Leakers Drama....

All of this to say.

Thanks you everyone. Those past...6-7 years were amazing.
A shame the ride shall soon end, but all good things must come to an end.

Also dear god, I'll be soon be able to remove Sora's avatar lmao. Promised to keep it until DLC are done, because I shall never give up on him, and seems that the end shall come soon.
 

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[Tournament event] From 9/3 (Friday), we will be holding a "Shave HP! Physical Fitness Tournament" for 3 days! The melee format is "Great Brawl" and the items are "All OFF". The more you win, the more luxurious spirits you get. #Smash Bros SP
 
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[Tournament event] From 9/3 (Friday), we will be holding a "Shave HP! Physical Fitness Tournament" for 3 days! The melee format is "Great Brawl" and the items are "All OFF". The more you win, the more luxurious spirits you get. #Smash Bros SP
So, a stamina match tournament?


Completely filler then, carry on.
 

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The next Smash character is someone without a health bar, RIP 95% of video game characters.
Perfect.
Sora get his iconic green healthbar around his render icon.
When he's in low health, you'll get the constant beeping noise giving you a headache for as long he stay alive.
Can't wait for that :^)))
 

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Perfect.
Sora get his iconic green healthbar around his render icon.
When he's in low health, you'll get the constant beeping noise giving you a headache for as long he stay alive.
Can't wait for that :^)))
You can help bump Sora up several tiers by going into the settings and telling Donald not to be dumb.
 

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[Topics] Even though it looks like an ass, the reasoning is an excellent detective. Nintendo Switch "Butt Detective Pupup Mirai no Meiten Teitojo! Will be released on November 4th (Good Butt Day).




Today I learned Japan has a good butt day.
 
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You can help bump Sora up several tiers by going into the settings and telling Donald not to be dumb.
That or randomly, because we need more RNG in this game, a Help assist card fall and bounce around on the stage like in chain of memories to call up either Donald Or Dingo.
Fair and Balanced. As always with the SE characters in Smash
 

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[Topics] Even though it looks like an ass, the reasoning is an excellent detective. Nintendo Switch "Butt Detective Pupup Mirai no Meiten Teitojo! Will be released on November 4th (Good Butt Day).




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This announcement is butts.
 

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So, a stamina match tournament?


Completely filler then, carry on.
A stamina tournament huh? Why might this be? Well Waluigi is a professional Tennis player, so he has high stamina. Shadow and Tails also have high stamina because they run fast.

Waluigi or a 2nd Sonic character confirmed as the last fighter.
 
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[Topics] Even though it looks like an ass, the reasoning is an excellent detective. Nintendo Switch "Butt Detective Pupup Mirai no Meiten Teitojo! Will be released on November 4th (Good Butt Day).




Today I learned Japan has a good butt day.
Its…it’s beautiful!
 
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Ladies and.Gentleman.

Our final first party character.
 

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Well honestly the thing is, I enjoy talking about Smash Bros and I come to this website specifically for Smash Bros.

While I can technially do that in the Social thread we have right now, it's more often than not, not Smash- movies, television, books, day-to-day occurrences, food, animals etc etc. I don't particularly care about any of that nor do I want to sift through that content to discuss things I actually am interested in or receive repeated notifications about that. Don't get me wrong, I like most of the people there, I just come on this website specifically to talk about one thing.

Previously, we had a "Smash Social" which talked about everything relating to Smash from newcomers to setting up online matches or talking about character ideas and whatnot. In fact, I only came to post in the newcomer-discussion thread as it was the only thread where a decent amount of people gather to talk specifically about Smash Bros after the closure of that Smash Social. I understand it did regularly devolve into off-topic posting (mainly on the feasibility of newcomers) which had to be moderated and as such a general social was established.

However, when this subsection of Smashboards closes, might I recommend recreating a thread like that? I feel like a forum wherein its users can primarily talk talk about its namesake in a single all-encompassing thread that doesn't also include off-topic things would be greatly beneficial to the user experience. I just don't want my options for Smash related talk to be "Everything Feasible," or... "just Competitive Discussion."
It’s not set in stone and this just my take on what we usually do. We’ll definitely be discussing it later on so all input is more than welcome.
 

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Sword Tourney still remains to be seen. But what I will say is that the 2010's tourney did come after Kazuya was revealed, but before he was released, we could see the same thing happen here

Perhaps the Smash Dev team is catching on that people are using Tourneys to predict characters, so perhaps they are holding back Tourneys to make people point in a certain direction, in this case a Sword Tourney. However it's likely that perhaps it's absence is just hinting toward CP11 having a Sword
 
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Alright I'm just gonna ask this because this crosses my mind once in a while.

Everyone, what would your reaction be if instead of Mii costumes, we got Melee versions of the first 26 characters that appeared in Melee? They would play exactly the same as they would in Melee with L-Cancelling, wavedashes, the physics would be exactly the same, their stats would be left untouched, Fox and Falco can multishine, etc. I don't expect the answers to be too positive but I could be wrong.

I got the idea when I was looking at Hyper Street Fighter II: Anniversary edition where you can play as old versions of Ryu or Guile. You could take it a step further and add 64 versions of the original 12 or Brawl versions or whatever. I don't know.
I'd be certainly interested, although a bit cautiously. I'm not just thinking about the learning curve Melee has here, which is a considerable obstacle especially with :foxmelee: (who is considered difficult to master even for pros) :

* Melee has a ton of jank. Most of which lead to it still having a fanbase to this day, but there's some that negatively impacted characters: :roymelee: 's sword has a tendency to hit like a wet noodle (partly because they made several mistakes when designing him, such as forgetting to compensate for longer animations. I have to assume the time crunch was behind that) for example.

* Some mechanics would help them, but some would also harm them: the Melee airdodge is a good example since you're put in a helpless state if you do it, making that a potential "Damn it muscle memory" moment. There's also the meteor cancelling - I'm not sure if Ultimate characters would be able to meteor cancel Melee characters' attacks or not. If yes, well, :falcomelee: and :marthmelee: don't care about that (assuming NTSC version of Melee, in PAL they're... weirder).

* The complete lack of buffer and other movement-related aspects could prove to be another "Damn it muscle memory" moment.

On a more positive note, there's potentially a lot of reasons for players to explore the past versions:

* :linkmelee: is the glitchiest character in the game, with a few of the glitches he has being almost the same as some of OoT's glitches. The amount of glitches and jank present would be potentially a lot of fun for more casual players (even if you're risking a crash or Ghost Melee) and I'd imagine players doing stuff like Bomb Arrows and other characters' glitches like :nessmelee: 's Thunder Jacket would be similar to players back in the day trying out the Black Hole Glitch. Aka. fun side stuff to do (even if some like :icsmelee: 's Freeze Glitch can be annoying for the reciever).

* Some mechanics would interest casuals I'd imagine: if Melee characters run and then jump they maintain the horizontal speed during the jump. Brawl and subsuquent games' characters don't. (Like seriously this is something I think Ultimate could've reintroduced.) If anything else it'd be really interesting to explore how they'd fare in Ultimate, and it would give a lot of replay value regardless of how well they do. The same goes for the 64, Brawl and 4 counterparts - they'd still give a lot of replay value even if they vary wildly.

* Schmovement. I mean seriously, who doesn't want to see Ganondorf moonwalk again?



Thanks Official Nintendo of Japan Twitter and Twitter algorithm, very cool!

[Topics] Even though it looks like an ass, the reasoning is an excellent detective. Nintendo Switch "Butt Detective Pupup Mirai no Meiten Teitojo! Will be released on November 4th (Good Butt Day).




Today I learned Japan has a good butt day.
Pack it all up. We've reached the peak Gets shot.
 
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[Topics] Even though it looks like an ass, the reasoning is an excellent detective. Nintendo Switch "Butt Detective Pupup Mirai no Meiten Teitojo! Will be released on November 4th (Good Butt Day).




Today I learned Japan has a good butt day.
Is this... a game? What am I... how... I know...

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Well honestly the thing is, I enjoy talking about Smash Bros and I come to this website specifically for Smash Bros.

While I can technially do that in the Social thread we have right now, it's more often than not, not Smash- movies, television, books, day-to-day occurrences, food, animals etc etc. I don't particularly care about any of that nor do I want to sift through that content to discuss things I actually am interested in or receive repeated notifications about that. Don't get me wrong, I like most of the people there, I just come on this website specifically to talk about one thing.

Previously, we had a "Smash Social" which talked about everything relating to Smash from newcomers to setting up online matches or talking about character ideas and whatnot. In fact, I only came to post in the newcomer-discussion thread as it was the only thread where a decent amount of people gather to talk specifically about Smash Bros after the closure of that Smash Social. I understand it did regularly devolve into off-topic posting (mainly on the feasibility of newcomers) which had to be moderated and as such a general social was established.

However, when this subsection of Smashboards closes, might I recommend recreating a thread like that? I feel like a forum wherein its users can primarily talk talk about its namesake in a single all-encompassing thread that doesn't also include off-topic things would be greatly beneficial to the user experience. I just don't want my options for Smash related talk to be "Everything Feasible," or... "just Competitive Discussion."
I agree with this. I enjoy talking about characters in the Character Exploration thread as well as this one. I’ll really miss this place if this sub-forum shuts down.
 

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Yeah, personally I got here just to talk about Smash. I might try going to the Social Thread once the last character is revealed because after all this time it would be kinda weird to just stop coming here, also because I like the mood and the people around here.

Still, I think Idon's suggestion is at least worth the consideration. I think it's a good idea.

Wasn't the actual gameplay/map design of Fates really good? I thought it was the story that people took issue with.
It is.
Fates definitely has the best gameplay of the FE 3DS games, and it's not like I hate Awakening or Shadows of Valentia. It's overall better balanced than Awakening, where the pair up mechanic was kinda easy to broke, while in Fates it isn't as busted as it was before and at the same time, enemies are also able to use said mechanic. This sentiment is generally echoed by others in the Fire Emblem community.

Fates Conquest specifically is the best one in that sense. It's the most challenging route, with overall better and more interesting maps and unlike most entries in the series, it's fairly well balanced in harder difficulties (though it's not perfect). To the point where Conquest still has the best gameplay/map design balance in the series, IMO.

But yeah, the story is mostly kinda bad and stupid. Birthright is the best one story wise, but still weak. The writing in Fates had some problems, and the fact that there was different writers for the actual story dialogues and the support dialogues doesn't help, and it shows, because some characters definitely feel different when you compare their story and support personalities.

Still, I think Fates being a bad game, as some people claim, is just nonsense and something folks exaggerate just because the story wasn't good. Fates still has a fantastic soundtrack, slick and fast menus and UI, possibly the best gameplay in the series, great settings, some of the best maps in the series...
I myself feel more attached to Shadows of Valentia, but overall I definitely think Fates Conquest specifically is the best FE game of the 3DS.

The bad rep of the story/writing and the whole Corrin in Smash drama back then has definitely clouded people's opinions on Fates if you ask me.
 
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