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And Luigi is a Mario character. Nothing confusing about it.
Is there, though?
Really!... Weird so wait where does he come from is he like always just been an assist trophy?
That’s not true. Dr. Mario first appeared in a Dr. Mario game and Paper Mario first appeared in a Paper Mario game. Luigi is very obviously a Mario character, so him getting his own game is as relevant as Dr. Mario spinning off himself under the Mario umbrella. Overall it’s a small distinction though and I could see King Boo under a Luigi’s Mansion umbrella despite his appearances in Mario Sunshine, Mario 64 DS and Mario Kart Wii
Clearly Sakurai disagrees as Luigi's Mansion is classified as Mario instead of Other or it's own franchise
His debut game is Mario Tennis, and while he became a mainstay in Mario spin-offs since then, he has never left them for any reason. Super Smash Bros. is the only exception I can think of.
Oh boy, can't wait to get beat up by a Standard Kart.
He's from Mario Tennis on the N64, to be a partner to Wario. Basically, he's only connected to Wario Land Wario and I think at most had a small cameo via a mini-game in WarioWare.
And Paper Mario. It has more than enough games to deserve to be treated as its own series.
Personaly, I would say the Paper Mario is different enough and with more than enough games to deserve treatment as its own thing.
I thought you were gonna post Robo Mario from Mario Kart Arcade GP...
Mario Kart should be added before Paper Mario and I'll proudly die on that hill. So should 8-Bit Mario.
It's not a playable character and from a pretty remote game so I had no idea it existed despite having played it once. lol
King Boo appeared in Super Mario Sunshine, Super Mario 64 DS, Super Princess Peach and numerous Mario spin-offs like Mario Kart, Mario Party, Mario Baseball, and Mario and Sonic at the Olympics. Perhaps a greater role in Luigi, but not zero importance to Mario.
Speaking of Zero, if the Mega Man Zero series version of him gets in, it would be his third fighting game appearance (the other two being SVC Chaos and Onimusha Blade Warriors).
Those aren't "important roles". Those are minor roles.
Worth noting Yoshi got in under his own symbol with two games under his belt. He's not a great example of what you mean.
He kidnaps Luigi in Super Mario 64 DS, you have to fight him as Mario in order to unlock Luigi, so I'd consider that reasonably important.
Eh, that's just a remake of the story and not the original story. It's not that important as Luigi's Mansion's roles by far. It's not a case where "this is the definite version", so it's a lot more murky than normal.
I think the main difference is just timing. Yoshi, Wario, and DK got their own series relatively early in the character's lifespans. Super Mario World 2 was one of Yoshi's earliest appearances, same thing with Wario Land for Wario, with both of those games only being their second main platformer appearances. The DKC series is a slightly different case, while it came more than a decade after the original DK arcade, DK and Mario were more equals due to debuting together, DK hadn't really had much involvement in Mario's main platformer series, and DK himself as a character had already been appearing without Mario in stuff like Donkey Kong 3 arcade and stuff.
Technically Big Boo is still used in Super Mario 64 DS, King Boo actually gets his own fight since you have to enter a Luigi painting and platform/find your way to where he and King Boo are, although I guess the fight is similar to Big Boo but there was a unique spin on it with the mirror iirc.
Actually, that isn't true for Wario. He got his own character only a bit after WarioWare debuted, while Wario Land was going strong for years. He only had a trophy in Melee under the Mushroom Symbol and nothing more. We don't know if he could've gotten a Wario Land symbol either. He just debuted in Smash as playable when his new series was fresh. Yoshi is about the same, having two games under his belt instead.
Ah. Thanks for correcting that. But yeah, unless the remake is supposed to be the definitive edition, I don't think it's nearly that meaningful. I'd like to know the SPP role further, but it's a small role in Sunshine too.
) I had the tennis game on Wii it was fun but now my wife wants the new golf so ...
Correction, it was actually five games. Yoshi, Yoshi's Cookie, Yoshi's Island, Tetris Attack, and Yoshi's Story. If you wanna be really generous you could also include Yoshi's Safari for six games. Not that it entirely discredits your point, but it's pretty clear Yoshi was a popular enough character to launch his own spin-off games even back then.
I never understand why they go with the plain version. I know I’ve said this in other threads before and so have others but I just genuinely never understand the reasoning. Is it because it’s considered too creepy. Is it because they aren’t allowed to mess with Luigi Mansion’s story/plot or is it just completely a different situation. I’ll never understand
Nah, I was thinking of just his main games. My bad on that.
I feel like Waluigi could have a Mario Party Block as his neutral B and be even more RNG the character than Hero
This is only the case in Ultimate, as previous games separated music by stage. And yeah, it's probably because the Super Mario series has 118 tracks, which is already just...pain when going through My Music, especially since you have to go through it about 15 times. There are only 15 Mario Kart tracks and two more stages, but it would still add to the issue.
Not a counterpoint per-say, but I would be surprised if we didn't get both designs. The only reason not to would be if he had attacks that specifically used his crown beams, and it wouldn't make sense with the other crown's design.
And Nintendo will probably never give you your answer. Whoever made the decision probably forgot why anyway.
That's why it never meant much to me. It's just coincidentally the best selling Mario spin-off series.
True. It'd be akin to how Wario is. LM being the main design and SM being secondary. I could see it going either way, but it's as I said, probably going to be based upon how he's represented. If they go that route, it's not hard to change a symbol or two. LM's stage gets a new symbol. That's as far as it goes this game, since LM still has tons of regular Mario music anyway, just remixed. It's more aesthetic at that point, for the first time. Yoshi actually was treated a lot more oddly than it had to be. A lot of games, but to be fair, it's only the music that deviates severely. The platforming is definitely different overall, but the themes and enemies are almost mostly Mario, just sometimes more cutesy. It doesn't help that the character debuts like Kamek, Baby Bowser, and even Poochy make appearances in Super Mario. It's at the point that Kamek is the only one of the three that doesn't feel like it hard belongs to either series, being notable in both. I think he has more important roles overall in Yoshi, but yeah. It doesn't help that Baby Bowser is clearly meant to be a retake on the Koopalings design styles(who are basically all kid variations of Bowser as is, though not related to him like was originally presented as), so he didn't stick out that much either. And even then, they remade the design more accurately for Koopa Kid(Mario Party) and Bowser Jr.(Sunshine). There's going to be a tiny few characters who are more specifically from a spin-off series than actually appearing so much in the core series that you can't tell the difference anymore.
Hey, why stop at Mario Kart?
You know how Disney treats Mickey, Donald, Goofy and assorted characters as a "Package" of sorts? Where the image is the basis for a lot of their output (comics, cartoons, etc.)? Where the characters are allowed to have their own spin offs (both Donald and Goofy have been super-heroes, for example. And Donald's the edgy-looking superhero under "The Duck Avenger" or Paperinik in the original Italian version.) but are still counted as under the same umbrella?
No I was just surprised that is a 'biggest mystery of smash.' I disagree.
Hahaha yeah that’s actually an idea I’d thought of quite a while ago and I love it
I'm not talking about for Smash, I'm talking about in terms of the series and characters in general. Both Super Mario World 2 and Wario Land were relatively early in Yoshi and Wario's lifespans. Both of these games helped establish Yoshi and Wario's own series separate from the main Mario series shortly after their characters debuted, only a couple years after Super Mario World and Super Mario Land 2 respectively and on the same consoles.
It does, though. They're extrapolations based on things we never see her doing in Mario Galaxy or in Mario 3D World, but we just assume she can because they're abilities that originated from Galaxy along with her. Doesn't mean it's a bad idea, it's just that it makes no sense to say that a character like Waluigi can't use these same extrapolations for a moveset when there's other Mario characters that do it just fine.
bro nintendo obviously cares, both reggie and doug bowser officially addressed his smash exclusion when he was revealed to not be playable. afaik they didnt do that for any other character
