Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[GilTheGreat19]

but yes, give DS more love in Smash

I have a solution

 

[Theguy123]

Because Sakurai also said “by the end of the year”.

When you combine “a while” and “by the end of the year” you don’t get September.

In the case of Smash Ultimate dlc reveals 3 months is literally the shortest time period you can wait between characters without a double reveal, even the double reveal of Hero and Banjo took 2 months.

we ain’t waiting till December for a reveal. We already have a leaker with decent credibility saying smash’s main support is ending by October.

There’s no evidence to even suggest we’re waiting till December. Just a sentence you seem to have taken out of context.
If I’m wrong then I’ll admit I’m wrong but considering kazuya dropped in early July, they ain’t making us wait 6 months for the next reveal

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

I mean, what else do they prove?

Yeah, sure, they "were meant to be on the base roster", let's pretend I buy that. But they weren't on the base roster. If the reason to include them was gone, why revisit them? Why not just leave them to rot on the garbage pile?

Because all of pass 2 is filler to buy time until SMT V.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

When you combine “a while” and “by the end of the year” you don’t get September.

He told us Pass 1 would be done by February 2020 but we got Byleth a month early.

So anything's possible.

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

He told us Pass 1 would be done by February 2020 but we got Byleth a month early.

So anything's possible.

A month early isn’t September when the deadline is December, that’s 3 months early.

 

[Theguy123]

Because all of pass 2 is filler to buy time until SMT V.

you remind me of the guy on gamefaqs who was called megaton or something like that. He made his account for the sole purpose of trying to tell everyone that nabohino was the last character without any evidence whatsoever. Didn’t even count it as speculation, he just kept saying he was the last character with no evidence and that everyone else is wrong.

this is the most ludicrous thing I’ve ever heard someone say.

 

[chocolatejr9]

On an unrelated note... this is interesting:

When was the last time Okami was acknowledged in another Capcom game, again? I wanna say MvC3, but I'm not sure.

Can I make a joke about the way Capcom treats its non-main IPs?

 

[GilTheGreat19]

A month early isn’t September when the deadline is December, that’s 3 months early.

But the pass is still done and released in full capacity before the public deadline.

What's your point?

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Can I make a joke about the way Capcom treats its non-main IPs?

Hey at least they actually use them instead of forgetting they exist Nintendo.

 

[ahemtoday]

Because all of pass 2 is filler to buy time until SMT V.

What a claim! Five whole characters and stages, including not only the ones already discussed but also Steve, Sephiroth, and Kazuya, were all just meaningless nonsense they only included just to put one character in the game. This sounds absurd. You would need extract a confession from Sakurai at gunpoint to convince me of it.

Edit: Actually, if someone had me at gunpoint I'd admit to anything, so I don't think you'd convince me even then.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Hey at least they actually use them instead of forgetting they exist Nintendo.

To be fair, isn't that the point of Smash?

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Because all of pass 2 is filler to buy time until SMT V.

Dude, what?
ok ok, I'll just advise you: Please try rereading your own posts by draft before posting them. Sure, not every post will be polished to full glory. But at least give it some form of plausibility.

 

[Theguy123]

What a claim! Five whole characters and stages, including not only the ones already discussed but also Steve, Sephiroth, and Kazuya, were all just meaningless nonsense they only included just to put one character in the game. This sounds absurd. You would need extract a confession from Sakurai at gunpoint to convince me of it.

To also show how wrong the original statement is, the whole pandemic screwed over the pass.

It probably would’ve ended early this year or a few months ago considering byleth was revealed at the start of 2020 and we’re now in 70% through 2021

smt 5 protag probabaly isn’t the last character

 

[FreeFox]

Because all of pass 2 is filler to buy time until SMT V.

Probably one of the most bizarre arguments I have ever heard for a character inclusion and believe me, I have seen a lot.

 

[Ivander]

When was the last time Okami was acknowledged in another Capcom game, again? I wanna say MvC3, but I'm not sure.

Teppen.

 

[Guynamednelson]

To also show how wrong the original statement is, the whole pandemic screwed over the pass.

It probably would’ve ended early this year or a few months ago considering byleth was revealed at the start of 2020 and we’re now in 70% through 2021

smt 5 protag probabaly isn’t the last character

Regardless of how 2020 went, I think the plan was always to have SOMETHING related to Steve, whether it's his reveal or release, near Minecon, Sephiroth at TGA, Pyra/Mythra in a Direct between TGA and E3, and Kazuya at E3 2021.

 

[MattX20]

On an unrelated note... this is interesting:

When was the last time Okami was acknowledged in another Capcom game, again? I wanna say MvC3, but I'm not sure.

Well, the last Okami game was OkamiDen for the DS and that was years ago, and Amaterasu didn't appear in that game, but her child. I'm struggling to think of much beyond MVC3

 

[PeridotGX]

quote response dump time!

I hope this whole Family thing is a meme.

memes are strong.. but not as strong as family.

I wonder which reactiontuber would be legit hyped for Marin. Zeltik perhaps? We all know Max would be hyped to see Jill and Leon.

the real ones popped off at the grovyle trailer

6/11 RPG's vs. 5/11 non-RPG's is still more or less half-and-half between the two passes. Seems pretty diverse to me.

i mean, more than half of the characters coming from one genre isn't all that diverse. I'm not angry over it or anything, but it could have easily been more diverse.

Do you guys think there is any chance Smash will ever get a fully fleshed out create a character separate from Miis? I would love that more than almost anything but the combination of it being very difficult when Smash has so many completely different styles and the existence of Miis makes me a little doubtful.

i don't think so, but I'd love it. Making anything in an official editor would be miles easier than Brawl modding. I know there are limitations due to being unofficial and all, but it's so unintuitive

The poor Gameboy-Wii U eras will have to wait until they become the big nostalgia cows before they'll get another character unprompted by current activity.

i'm nostalgic for the ds/wii/3ds era, thankfully, we;re starting to get to the age where we have disposable income to spend on nostalgia.

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

you remind me of the guy on gamefaqs who was called megaton or something like that. He made his account for the sole purpose of trying to tell everyone that nabohino was the last character without any evidence whatsoever. Didn’t even count it as speculation, he just kept saying he was the last character with no evidence and that everyone else is wrong.

this is the most ludicrous thing I’ve ever heard someone say.

I have given plenty of evidence.

And no, it is not ludicrous at all. Pass 2 was not supposed to exist. Steve, Sephiroth and Kazuya are timeless characters that could have been added to any future Smash game and Pyra and Min Min could have either been added to the base roster of the next Smash or left to be spirits forever and it would make no difference for Smash or Nintendo.

There is no reason for pass 2 to exist or to be the final pass unless there is a character in it that Nintendo desperately wants to reveal to finalize the dlc, and the only character that fits that is Nahobino.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

In general, I am expecting SMT to get some kind of content. Would be a bit surprised if we got none.
Who knows, maybe the series will get axed by an upcoming Spirit Event. (Don't wanna jinx it for SMT fans haha)

A playable fighter could happen, too, ofc.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Because all of pass 2 is filler to buy time until SMT V.

…no.
Thats it, thats the post. Just no. I don’t even need to explain it. Literally just no.

 

[Gengar84]

You know, after what happened with NSO and classic system rereleases in general where NES always gets first pick every new generation while we have to wait years to get the others, I'm pretty sick of NES stuff. Yeah, it's the most important yadayada but they already have far more characters than most of the other console generations. Give me some diversity.

This is the newest chart I could find (before Byleth or any of FP2 was added, so Switch is empty).
Source

I feel like this chart is a bit unfair. First, counting the Bowser Jr. and Hero alts as separate characters heavily skews the results towards NES. I really don’t think they should count since they are just glorified costumes. Second, despite technically being NES reps, characters from Mario, Zelda, and Metroid have been present on nearly every console since. They are a bit different than characters like Duck Hunt, Ice Climbers, and Pit (pre Uprising).

 

[Theguy123]

Regardless of how 2020 went, I think the plan was always to have SOMETHING related to Steve, whether it's his reveal or release, near Minecon, Sephiroth at TGA, Pyra/Mythra in a Direct between TGA and E3, and Kazuya at E3 2021.

my point was unless Nintendo knew in advance that a pandemic was gonna hit and cause all their plans to be delayed then the smt 5 protagonists is not the last spot

the pass was delayed because of COVID. If COVID never stuck then min Min wouldn’t of taken 7 months, probably would’ve taken 3/4.

we’d be seeing the last fighter now or a few Months ago so unless Nintendo knew the pandemic was gonna happen and then on top of that randomly decided to drop some mystery fighter and replace them with the smt 5 protag then it’s unlikely that the smt 5 protag is last.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Because all of pass 2 is filler to buy time until SMT V.

inhales deeply

BOI.

If they were THAT desperate to coincide with something, then we'd be taking the idea of Smash reveals coinciding with anniversaries a LOT more seriously.

 

[FreeFox]

I have given plenty of evidence.

And no, it is not ludicrous at all. Pass 2 was not supposed to exist. Steve, Sephiroth and Kazuya are timeless characters that could have been added to any future Smash game and Pyra and Min Min could have either been added to the base roster of the next Smash or left to be spirits forever and it would make no difference for Smash or Nintendo.

There is no reason for pass 2 to exist or to be the final pass unless there is a character in it that Nintendo desperately wants to reveal to finalize the dlc, and the only character that fits that is Nahobino.

And Nahobino is different how? It would make no difference to Nintendo or Smash if he isnt added. Next thing, you´ll tell me is that Sakurai choose 6 characters to stall for time or that fighter pass one was also filler to wait for Nahobino.

 

[Theguy123]

I have given plenty of evidence.

And no, it is not ludicrous at all. Pass 2 was not supposed to exist. Steve, Sephiroth and Kazuya are timeless characters that could have been added to any future Smash game and Pyra and Min Min could have either been added to the base roster of the next Smash or left to be spirits forever and it would make no difference for Smash or Nintendo.

There is no reason for pass 2 to exist or to be the final pass unless there is a character in it that Nintendo desperately wants to reveal to finalize the dlc, and the only character that fits that is Nahobino.

you’ve literally given no evidence whatsoever to suggest the smt 5 protag is last.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

If they were THAT desperate to coincide with something, then we'd be taking the idea of Smash reveals coinciding with anniversaries a LOT more seriously.

If the fact that only Little Mac got an anniversary tied reveal (He was revealed for Sm4sh on Punch-Out's 30th anniversary) for Smash didn't teach us that Nintendo may not 100% care for tying in reveals with anniversaries, idk what will. They COULD, but it's rather unlikely.

 

[3BitSaurus]

Because Sakurai also said “by the end of the year”.

...Where?

Like, I literally remember just the "a while" quote, with the December deadline being pretty much placeholder and/or to ensure that everyone knew Volume 2 would be done before 2021 ended. So really just corporate speak so everyone knows when the product will be delivered.

Can I make a joke about the way Capcom treats its non-main IPs?

No, you should forget the joke exists instead. You know, like the IPs.

Hey at least they actually use them instead of forgetting they exist Nintendo.

If we wanna go there, then pretty much every major corp does it. Capcom does it, Nintendo does it, Sega does it, Bamco does it... the list goes on and on if you have some knowledge of the IPs for each one.

 

[Sucumbio]

Man, what happens when it's not who you think it is W Willbuysmash4mw ???

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

And Nahobino is different how? It would make no difference to Nintendo or Smash if he isnt added. Next thing, you´ll tell me is that Sakurai choose 6 characters to stall for time or that fighter pass one was also filler to wait for Nahobino.

SMT V is the biggest 3rd party exclusive the Switch has, it makes a hell of a lot of difference.
Nahobino was supposed to be in pass 1 as the final character.

you’ve literally given no evidence whatsoever to suggest the smt 5 protag is last.

You literally don’t know what evidence is then.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

SMT V is the biggest 3rd party exclusive the Switch has, it makes a hell of a lot of difference.

BRO ITS NOT EVEN OUT YET HOW COULD YOU MAKE THAT ASSUMPTION

Also, we'd have to see how the game sells compared to the third party Switch exclusives we have.

Mario & Rabbids (At least I think it's 3rd party idk)
Monster Hunter Rise is doing pretty good too, seeing about 6.3M units as of April 2021

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Nahobino was supposed to be in pass 1 as the final character.

Your arms must be ████ huge to be able to support the amount of reaching your doing.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Your arms must be ████ huge to be able to support the amount of reaching your doing.

So we’re getting another ARMS rep?

but in all seriousness, I should mention that “December 31” is literally a generic placeholder for like EVERYTHING release date wise. I wouldn’t take it literally at all

also Sakurai can end a DLC cycle whenever he wants, on whatever character he wants

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

Man, what happens when it's not who you think it is W Willbuysmash4mw ???

The real question is what happens when I am right about the character and pretty much everything I am saying right now.

 

[ahemtoday]

Nahobino was supposed to be in pass 1 as the final character.

Can we get any evidence for this? Any at all?

And if you're going to say "Byleth was a filler character" or something like that, that's not evidence. That's plugging up the holes in a theory with no evidence with another theory with no evidence.

 

[Theguy123]

The real question is what happens when I am right about the character and pretty much everything I am saying right now.

im 100% convinced you’re the megatenhistory account from gamefaqs who just spams “nabohino is the last character” without evidence.

considering he recently got banned on gamefaqs and now we’re dealing with deluded statements and arguments like this I’m 100% confident you’re him

 

[Sucumbio]

SMT V is the....

...Newcomer cause 7 million units later Monster Hunter wins right now and it's been out long enough for Sakurai to make it but 1. Capcom already has rep and 2. I don't know Nintendo cares like they did about other dlc to date.

The real question is what happens when I am right about the character and pretty much everything I am saying right now.

.bro I wish nothing but success for your wish but it's still absolutely 50/50 you're right regardless of all the ways our fingers are pointing after licking them in the wind. Maybe it's blah blah blah blah but whatever it's got a chance this smt gig but I think it's definitely no lock no one is right now because every rules been broken already.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I mean, more than half of the characters coming from one genre isn't all that diverse. I'm not angry over it or anything, but it could have easily been more diverse

This is absolutely fair and I doubt anyone would think diversity is bad but for some reason most people who are vocal about it think diversity means the genre with the most content getting more content when **** like Beat em ups, FPS, Puzzle or VNs have nothing for playable characters. Speaking of VNs, Great Ace Attorney is good ****, give us the good boy Ryunosuke as an alt as most of his expressions overlap with Nick

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

The real question is what happens when I am right about the character and pretty much everything I am saying right now.

The funny thing is. Even if it is Nahobino. You still would’ve made so many quantum leaps in logic that you’ll still be seen as wrong.

I mean, honestly. Nahobino was going to replace Byleth, and when that couldn’t happen, Nintendo just decided to make 5 other characters? Including a fighting game legend, one of Gamings most iconic villains ever, and the main character of the best selling game in the world.

Do you honestly hear yourself?

 

[PeridotGX]

reasons Nabohino cannot be the last character:

1. they are not from Undertale, the hit 2015 indie RPG.

that is all.