Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Willbuysmash4mw]

ROLE CALL of Ultimate DLC

3 Fighting- Terry, Min Min, Kazuya
1 Sandbox- Minecraft
6 RPG- Joker, Hero, Byleth, Sephiroth, Pyra, Mythra
Platforming- Banjo and Kazooie (it's too difficult for me to count Plant here, since Mario spans every genre, and Plant-adjacent was only ever playable in Kart and Sports Titles)
1 Other- PP

That is not diverse

There are literally hundreds if not thousands of RPG characters that can come to Smash, more characters than all other genres combined.

 

[Perkilator]

ROLE CALL of Ultimate DLC

3 Fighting- Terry, Min Min, Kazuya
1 Sandbox- Minecraft
6 RPG- Joker, Hero, Byleth, Sephiroth, Pyra, Mythra
Platforming- Banjo and Kazooie (it's too difficult for me to count Plant here, since Mario spans every genre, and Plant-adjacent was only ever playable in Kart and Sports Titles)
1 Other- PP

That is not diverse

6/11 RPG's vs. 5/11 non-RPG's is still more or less half-and-half between the two passes. Seems pretty diverse to me.

 

[MarioRaccoon]

Something related to SMT will surely come.

At least a spirit event, maybe a mii costume or CP with full representation.

btw, hopefully tomorrow (or the next few weeks) they announced a spirit event for NTWEWY.

 

[Wonder Smash]

That links to what looks like an unsourced blog, which has literally nothing credible to back it up.


In fact, if you go to the blog and click translate, it literally says "I wonder if...", it's speculation, nothing more.

I never said that it was 100% confirmed. I'm just going by what I read.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Oh right, they could announce a new spirit event tomorrow.

 

[Wonder Smash]

Once Neo The World Ends With You and probably Metroid Dread get spirits and we still don’t have a final character, you will see A LOT more talk about it.

Nobody knows for sure who will be the last character. Ryu Hayabusa still has a case for him too.,

 

[Shroob]

Oh right, they could announce a new spirit event tomorrow.

Still about having to wait for the Monster Hunter Stories spirit to be added with CP11 but it is what it is.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

One thing to note is that this:

And this:

Are both considered RPGs despite having basically no gameplay similarities. It's a bit too large of a net to lump them all in the same category IMO. In terms of appeal, the RPG characters are probably something more like this:

• Turn Based RPG:
• Action RPG (which in itself is way too broad a category): /
  
• Both:
  
• Tactical RPG:

 

[chocolatejr9]

ROLE CALL of Ultimate DLC

3 Fighting- Terry, Min Min, Kazuya
1 Sandbox- Minecraft
6 RPG- Joker, Hero, Byleth, Sephiroth, Pyra, Mythra
Platforming- Banjo and Kazooie (it's too difficult for me to count Plant here, since Mario spans every genre, and Plant-adjacent was only ever playable in Kart and Sports Titles)
1 Other- PP

That is not diverse

Looks pretty diverse to me...

 

[Slime Master]

Low genre diversity doesn't necessarily mean low demographic diversity. It doesn't help, sure, but there's factors beyond gameplay that attract people. Persona 5 in particular is pretty famous for being loved by people who aren't normally super into RPGs. FE being tactical RPGs also makes a difference; I know a few people who specifically like tactical RPGs but not so much standard JRPGs.

 

[Shroob]

I never said that it was 100% confirmed. I'm just going by what I read.

Right, but we can discard it, since the person who actually wrote the blog on the Japanese side was speculating. The person who wrote the English article was clickbaiting.

 

[Perkilator]

Oh right, they could announce a new spirit event tomorrow.

If it does, I’m hoping for NEO TWEWY due to the time frame. If not, it is what it is.

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

Nobody knows for sure who will be the last character. Ryu Hayabusa still has a case for him too.,

If he did then he would have come with the Ninja Gaiden collection.

 

[Wonder Smash]

If he did then he would have come with the Ninja Gaiden collection.

That's never been the case for any character. They're always revealed at a separate time from a game release.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

ROLE CALL of Ultimate DLC

3 Fighting- Terry, Min Min, Kazuya
1 Sandbox- Minecraft
6 RPG- Joker, Hero, Byleth, Sephiroth, Pyra, Mythra
Platforming- Banjo and Kazooie (it's too difficult for me to count Plant here, since Mario spans every genre, and Plant-adjacent was only ever playable in Kart and Sports Titles)
1 Other- PP

That is not diverse

It doesn't help when you count the two in one character as two different characters.

Pyra/Mythra should count as one.

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

That's never been the case for any character. They're always revealed at a separate time from a game release.

The collection will be beyond irrelevant by the time the final character is revealed.

At least Three Houses had major dlc coming out with Byleth.

 

[Merengue]

inb4 this happens
One way to get the best selling Fps series ever in Smash

I want to beat up "legendary" 500 year old sword women as Captain Price.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

It is absolutely a genre

Light-gun shooter - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I unironically want House of the Dead in Smash.

Series is rad.

 

[Wonder Smash]

The collection will be beyond irrelevant by the time the final character is revealed.

At least Three Houses had major dlc coming out with Byleth.

The Collection only just came out this year, the same year the last DLC character will be revealed, so it's not like it'll be forgotten by then. There's been games that's been out longer than that before a character was revealed for Smash.

 

[Shroob]

The collection will be beyond irrelevant by the time the final character is revealed.

At least Three Houses had major dlc coming out with Byleth.

I mean, by that logic explain ARMs and XB2 which got nothing aside from a free trial period for ARMs.

Characters rarely ever line up with game releases.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

It doesn't help when you count the two in one character as two different characters.

Pyra/Mythra should count as one.

Well, Nintendo does count them as two different characters, and they are literally two different characters, but I think the argument makes sense on a pack by pack basis, which does mean that Pyra & Mythra should count as one since they were sold together.

EDIT: Not sure I worded this the best.

 

[Shroob]

I unironically want House of the Dead in Smash.

Series is rad.

Goldman for Smash

 

[kylexv]

Pic of the Day:

1990年のきょう『ドクターマリオ』発売!!
私は落ちものパズルが大の苦手で…(でも作ったことありますが)
ビン詰めウイルスを投薬で消すゲーム｡
スマブラにおいては､ドクターマリオはマリオとは別ファイター扱いになっており､おじさんっぽさを増した仕草になっています｡#スマブラSP pic.twitter.com/LtwmCCroNr

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) July 27, 2021

1990 "Dr. Mario" released today !! I'm not very good at falling block puzzles ... (but I've made one) A game that erases bottled virus with medication. In Smash Bros., Dr. Mario is treated as a fighter different from Mario, and it is a gesture that is more uncle-like.

(Note: The puzzle game Sakurai made is called "Meteos". It released on the DS in 2005)

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Pic of the Day:

1990年のきょう『ドクターマリオ』発売!!
私は落ちものパズルが大の苦手で…(でも作ったことありますが)
ビン詰めウイルスを投薬で消すゲーム｡
スマブラにおいては､ドクターマリオはマリオとは別ファイター扱いになっており､おじさんっぽさを増した仕草になっています｡#スマブラSP pic.twitter.com/LtwmCCroNr

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) July 27, 2021

1990 "Dr. Mario" released today !! I'm not very good at falling block puzzles ... (but I've made one) A game that erases bottled virus with medication. In Smash Bros., Dr. Mario is treated as a fighter different from Mario, and it is a gesture that is more uncle-like.

(Note: The puzzle game Sakurai made is called "Meteos". It released on the DS in 2005)

I am Dr. Mario and I am saving lives

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Dr. Frankenstein voice: IT'S ALIVE!

3DS System Update 11.15.0-47 Is Now Live https://t.co/c8nT4Onk7K #3DS #2DS #Nintendo #Updates #Firmware pic.twitter.com/HpSSuLYpzr

— Nintendo Life (@nintendolife) July 27, 2021

 

[chocolatejr9]

Dr. Frankenstein voice: IT'S ALIVE!

3DS System Update 11.15.0-47 Is Now Live https://t.co/c8nT4Onk7K #3DS #2DS #Nintendo #Updates #Firmware pic.twitter.com/HpSSuLYpzr

— Nintendo Life (@nintendolife) July 27, 2021

Too bad it'll be dead again come January...

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Sakurai retweeted the Mother anniversary tweet he made last year.

 

[Dan Quixote]

One thing to note is that this:
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And this:
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Are both considered RPGs despite having basically no gameplay similarities. It's a bit too large of a net to lump them all in the same category IMO. In terms of appeal, the RPG characters are probably something more like this:

• Turn Based RPG:
• Action RPG (which in itself is way too broad a category): /
  
• Both:
  
• Tactical RPG:

And this is why genres are fake

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Sakurai retweeted the Mother anniversary tweet he made last year.

Say it loud for the kids in the back!

 

[SneakyLink]

Sakurai retweeted the Mother anniversary tweet he made last year.

1989年のきょう『MOTHER』発売!! pic.twitter.com/AQbUCqnbQm

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) July 27, 2020

This was the tweet he shared last year for those curious.

 

[pupNapoleon]

You have to use a light gun in order to play it and yeah, it is its own genre, different from FPS.

It is absolutely a genre.

Light-gun shooter - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Heh, the more you know.
I'd still easily say it's a subgenre under FPS, considering it is literally an FPS with a peripheral.
But it is good to learn that it is considered separate.

One thing to note is that this:
View attachment 324315
And this:
View attachment 324316

Are both considered RPGs despite having basically no gameplay similarities. It's a bit too large of a net to lump them all in the same category IMO. In terms of appeal, the RPG characters are probably something more like this:

• Turn Based RPG:
• Action RPG (which in itself is way too broad a category): /
  
• Both:
  
• Tactical RPG:

But again, that is true of any genre.
As someone who doesn't tend to like RPGs, I assure you, it matters to me- and I certainly don't think I'm alone.

It doesn't help when you count the two in one character as two different characters.

Pyra/Mythra should count as one.

I don't think it changes the point either way- I'm simply classifying it as two because Sakurai does.

There are literally hundreds if not thousands of RPG characters that can come to Smash, more characters than all other genres combined.

Um... absolutely not.[/QUOTE]

 

[Perkilator]

I unironically want House of the Dead in Smash.

Series is rad.

The Magician should totally be an Assist Trophy. Maybe even a boss!

 

[pupNapoleon]

I'll add a contrary argument to my own claim of getting so many RPGs
The base game of Ultimate added six unique newcomers-
K Rool, Ridley, Isabelle, Simon, Inkling, Incineroar
Of these, the only that could be considered RPG is Incineroar (but just as I don't consider Mario strictly platformer, I don't consider Pokemon strictly RPG- both seem above genre classifications as they are brands which fall into almost all genres).
It's also a solid argument against lack of cartoonish characters in the DLC- because we got mostly cartoons as unique newcomers.

 

[FreeFox]

I unironically want House of the Dead in Smash.

Series is rad.

There is a game coming for the switch. We might at the very least get some spirits.

 

[DarthEnderX]

What would your reaction be if Breath of the Wild Zelda was the last DLC fighter?

Not great.

We didn't get a Zelda character in Ultimate yet, but getting another Zelda would be lame.

 

[Shroob]

Not great.

We didn't get a Zelda character in Ultimate yet, but getting another Zelda would be lame.

I'd legit feel terrible for the Zelda fanbase.


"Congrats, you finally got a new character! It's another Zelda and yet another Triforce user. You're never getting stuff like Midna or Skull Kid now."

 

[pupNapoleon]

Better than getting Wall-Art/ Flat Link

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

But again, that is true of any genre.

To some extent sure, but not nearly to the same extent as RPGs. Like, 2D and 3D platfomrers are pretty different due to the nature of the Z-axis, but at their core they're still about running and jumping around.

RPG's on the on the other hand can be turn based, tactical, real time, basically a hack n' slash, or Dark Souls. Since the bar for what constitutes an RPG is that the game's mechanics are stat driven, it's really become so diverse that I question why it's so broad in the first place. You may not like a handful of the major RPG categories, but I still don't think they should be grouped together in terms of appeal.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

What would your reaction be if Breath of the Wild Zelda was the last DLC fighter?

If she had a unique moveset using the Sheikah Slate and Runes like in AOC I wouldn't mind. She wouldn't be my first Zelda choice but she certainly wouldn't be the worst in my view either.

 

[Shroob]

To some extent sure, but not nearly to the same extent as RPGs. Like, 2D and 3D platfomrers are pretty different due to the nature of the Z-axis, but at their core they're still about running and jumping around.

RPG's on the on the other hand can be turn based, tactical, real time, basically a hack n' slash, or Dark Souls. Since the bar for what constitutes an RPG is that the game's mechanics are stat driven, it's really become so diverse that I question why it's so broad in the first place. You may not like a handful of the major RPG categories, but I still don't think they should be grouped together in terms of appeal.

And hell


Fallout's a weird hybrid of RPG and Shooter.