Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Idon]

I disagree with this, fully. Fire Emblem has gotten more than twice the DLC of any other franchise- in fact, the only other franchise to get more than one DLC character, is Final Fantasy.

You can say with fact that Fire Emblem had good timing. To some extent, this is true. However, the fact that Fire Emblem is constantly the franchise chosen for the 'oh, we can push the marketing' slot (versus many other series- which could just as much benefit), the fact that it is constantly stated to just be this- as far back as Melee, and the fact that it happens time and time again falls into this same categorization versus Nintendo saying, "hmm... maybe this game with very average sales shouldn't be the one that gets a new character with every iteration, thanks to timing," and it is hard for me to see as any kind of special favor.

Additionally, Zelda does have a rotating cast of main characters who are hugely important to the series. Every Zelda (or close to) game has at least one
character who is just as important to the game as the triad. Midna, Fi, the Champions, and even villains like Ghirahim, Zant, Vaati and Skull Kid (the latter of which are recurring) are all iterative characters who play an extremely prominent role in both the games and the lore. However, they don't get in. If Chrom, Lucina, and Robin all count as 'the most important character of their game,' there is something incongruent about the franchise treatment.

Once more- why does every Fire Emblem game even need a character, at all?

I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with. It seems like you're disagreeing with Nintendo's reasoning for choosing those characters, which is a bit of a lost cause as they're already in.

I've already explained each FE's inclusion, and many are promotional or convenient while specifically advertising a recent game only that specific character from the cast can showcase.

You're incredulously asking "Okay, but is it possible that Fire Emblem, for every Smash Bros game, has a recent character that can be marketed with, AND is worth marketing more than other series?" and the answer is... yes. Obviously. That's the nature of an RPG series that gets regularly releases every 2 to 3 years, an RPG series that almost never carries over its cast and has a new lead to push. Outside of Xenoblade (eventually), none of Nintendo's franchises benefit from that aspect.

As for the Zelda characters you've mentioned:
Midna
Fi
the Champions
Ghirahim
Zant
Vaati
Skull Kid
are important to their story, but they're not the protagonist. At the end of the day it's still Link's journey interacting with those characters, and since it's Link's journey Nintendo can just point to Link and say "hey did you know Link's new game is the Legend of Zelda: Subtitle?"
From Nintendo's perspective, you can effectively double up on marketing for the latest Zelda while leaving FE alone, or you can make an FE character and then change Link's shirt. It's less effective for Zelda, but it covers far more ground for FE

You also repeatedly bring up "Chrom, Lucina, and Robin" as if 2/3s aren't echoes who rip all their animations from a pre-existing character. Robin, out of any FE character added to Smash, made sense. Then Lucina and Chrom are echoes who are extremely fortunate to have an existing template. If it wasn't going to be them, it was going to be some other FE swordsman, and why would it be any other FE swordsmen than Awakening's, the most popular entry. If you want Midna, Fi, the Champions, Ghirahim, Zant, Vaati, or Skull Kid to be echoes, there aren't any options for them.

And for the final question, no. No it doesn't need it. Past Melee, Fire Emblem has never needed a push. It's just by its nature, Nintendo is heavily incentivized to push it for every Smash game.

Smash isn't a rewards system that grants characters to series who have proved themselves like Kirby.
It also isn't a savior that can bring series back from the dead like Golden Sun.
It's a crossover fighting game that also happens to be highly effective at cross promotion for what's hot, and there's nothing hotter than fire (emblem).

 

[SNEKeater]

As Opposum said, Fire Emblem basically got shafted when it comes to stages. Yeah, I know this might sound kinda hypocrite, I guess? Considering how people always complain about FE being over-represented and all, but still.

4 stages, which is a good number, but two of them being basically made up and not based in any actual locations is what disappoints me a lot. Maybe it's just me, but usually I've never being a fan of making stuff up, at least when you have some cool source material.

IMO Marth or Ike not having their own stage is just nonsense. And I personally never will comprehend what Sakurai was thinking when he decided to make 2 "generic" stages.

For Ike they could have chose the Gardens of Crimea's Castle from Path of Radiance's endgame, or the Tower of Guidance from Radiant Dawn, for example.
Corrin also had quite the potential in that regard, because Fates has a lot of cool locations.

A lot of wasted potential there if you ask me.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Believe it or not, their game was out before Corrin joined, much like Byleth. Corrin was announced at the start of 2016. Fire Emblem Fates, or Fire Emblem If as it was called in Japan, was already out in Japan on June 2015.

Thats good for Japan, but doesn’t really stop them from being a literal nobody in the rest of the world. You are right though, I’ll edit my post accordingly.

 

[Adrianette Bromide]

I think what didn’t help Corrin’s case was just how overall controversial Fates was

if you know, you know

Still say it shoulda been Elma instead, the timing was PERFECT for her at the Smash 4 Final Presentation

Despite Byleth's outstandingly negative reaction, I think it's because FE3H was actually well received in the long run that they maintain an active playerbase and I can see it going strong in Smash 6 if they return.

 

[BlondeLombax]

I still wanna see Grima itself as a stage. Every last one of you knows it’d be epic AF.

 

[FreeFox]

It also isn't a savior that can bring series back from the dead like Golden Sun.

Kinda hope you are wrong on this point. I partially wanted both Banjo & Kazooie and want Isaac in, in hopes of them being revived.
Fire Emblem got enough interest to make it to the west and Kid Icarus got a new game. I know its not always the case but sometimes smash ignites the interest in people in the series the characters come from and that might bring new life to a series.

 

[Ivander]

Thats good for Japan, but doesn’t really stop them from being a literal nobody in the rest of the world. You are right though, I’ll edit my post accordingly.

A nobody, sure. A literal nobody. I wouldn't say since Fates was being advertised and shown during 2015, including E3 2015 and the November Nintendo Direct, the same one that revealed Cloud for Super Smash Bros. 4.

Like...it's really a case of, "Nobody who was interested in Fire Emblem in the first place will know who Corrin is" while "People who were interested in Fire Emblem and were paying attention to the info before release will recognise Corrin." And this doesn't apply to Fire Emblem only. This also happened with Incineroar, Dragon Quest and Terry from Fatal Fury/King of Fighters.
Heck, one can say this applies to Dark Samus too when you look at the amount of people who "think what she looks like" and don't know "what she actually looks like".

 

[Schnee117]

Kinda hope you are wrong on this point. I partially wanted both Banjo & Kazooie and want Isaac in, in hopes of them being revived.
Fire Emblem got enough interest to make it to the west and Kid Icarus got a new game. I know its not always the case but sometimes smash ignites the interest in people in the series the characters come from and that might bring new life to a series.

Fire Emblem also fell off again when they made the Tellius games and the FE3 remake was Japan only before Awakening saved the franchise.

Kid Icarus had to have Sakurai step in for Uprising and it had nothing since with nothing on the horizon.

All the while F-Zero is dead, Star Fox isn't in a great place, Pikmin 4 is MIA and yet Advance Wars is the one making a comeback despite having very little in Smash.

Smash's effect on helping franchises is vastly overstated.

 

[skylanders fan]

All this fire emblem talk makes me wonder when we see the next fire emblem game

 

[FreeFox]

Fire Emblem also fell off again when they made the Tellius games and the FE3 remake was Japan only before Awakening saved the franchise.

Kid Icarus had to have Sakurai step in for Uprising and it had nothing since with nothing on the horizon.

All the while F-Zero is dead, Star Fox isn't in a great place, Pikmin 4 is MIA and yet Advance Wars is the one making a comeback despite having very little in Smash.

Smash's effect on helping franchises is vastly overstated.

Hey. it gets buzz and that is always good. Like I said. I am not expecting them to get something. I am hoping. Big difference.

 

[PeridotGX]

Fire Emblem got lucky in Smash 4 when the stars aligned for it to get a **** ton of characters (it literally tripled from one game to the next), and it was lucky in ultimate when Everyone Is Here forced them to stay, plus a few more stars aligned. Each FE inclusion makes sense in a vaccum, it's only once you zoom out that it becomes a problem. Assuming Everyone isn't Here in the next game, things will settle down.

 

[Adrianette Bromide]

It's funny, FDC and Advance Wars are being revived despite not being in Smash, heh. I mean at the least, Nintendo is reviving games by outsourcing work to other companies so that's gotta mean something for their overall IPs.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Isn't Colosseum based on the Coliseums in Fire Emblem: Gaiden (or something, I don't remember which game exactly, and it's possible that they could have shown up in more than one)? It's not really an impotent location to any of the games, but I think it is at least a location you can actually go to.

Fire Emblem also fell off again when they made the Tellius games and the FE3 remake was Japan only before Awakening saved the franchise.

Kid Icarus had to have Sakurai step in for Uprising and it had nothing since with nothing on the horizon.

All the while F-Zero is dead, Star Fox isn't in a great place, Pikmin 4 is MIA and yet Advance Wars is the one making a comeback despite having very little in Smash.

Smash's effect on helping franchises is vastly overstated.

To be fair, a lot of these examples are just Nintendo refusing to do anything with the series in question. You can't really help a franchise that doesn't have games, and in Star Fox's case, you can't really help a franchise that doesn't have good games.

It would be wrong to say that it's some magic life fountain for all the series involved (or whatever analogy that makes sense), but it definitely gets eyes on it (especially nowadays), and probably gets people to care more easily, which can be helpful.

 

[Ivander]

Isn't Colosseum based on the Coliseums in Fire Emblem: Gaiden (or something, I don't remember which game exactly, and it's possible that they could have shown up in more than one)? It's not really an impotent location to any of the games, but I think it is at least a location you can actually go to.

Colosseum is based on the Arenas in various Fire Emblem games. They are buildings that you can send your units to and have them fight for EXP. In the games where there are no free battles, Arenas are important and can be quite potent in levelling up your units, especially your important ones.

 

[pupNapoleon]

I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with. It seems like you're disagreeing with Nintendo's reasoning for choosing those characters, which is a bit of a lost cause as they're already in.

I've already explained each FE's inclusion, and many are promotional or convenient while specifically advertising a recent game only that specific character from the cast can showcase.

You're incredulously asking "Okay, but is it possible that Fire Emblem, for every Smash Bros game, has a recent character that can be marketed with, AND is worth marketing more than other series?" and the answer is... yes. Obviously. That's the nature of an RPG series that gets regularly releases every 2 to 3 years, an RPG series that almost never carries over its cast and has a new lead to push. Outside of Xenoblade (eventually), none of Nintendo's franchises benefit from that aspect.

As for the Zelda characters you've mentioned:
Midna
Fi
the Champions
Ghirahim
Zant
Vaati
Skull Kid
are important to their story, but they're not the protagonist. At the end of the day it's still Link's journey interacting with those characters, and since it's Link's journey Nintendo can just point to Link and say "hey did you know Link's new game is the Legend of Zelda: Subtitle?"
From Nintendo's perspective, you can effectively double up on marketing for the latest Zelda while leaving FE alone, or you can make an FE character and then change Link's shirt. It's less effective for Zelda, but it covers far more ground for FE

You also repeatedly bring up "Chrom, Lucina, and Robin" as if 2/3s aren't echoes who rip all their animations from a pre-existing character. Robin, out of any FE character added to Smash, made sense. Then Lucina and Chrom are echoes who are extremely fortunate to have an existing template. If it wasn't going to be them, it was going to be some other FE swordsman, and why would it be any other FE swordsmen than Awakening's, the most popular entry. If you want Midna, Fi, the Champions, Ghirahim, Zant, Vaati, or Skull Kid to be echoes, there aren't any options for them.

And for the final question, no. No it doesn't need it. Past Melee, Fire Emblem has never needed a push. It's just by its nature, Nintendo is heavily incentivized to push it for every Smash game.

Smash isn't a rewards system that grants characters to series who have proved themselves like Kirby.
It also isn't a savior that can bring series back from the dead like Golden Sun.
It's a crossover fighting game that also happens to be highly effective at cross promotion for what's hot, and there's nothing hotter than fire (emblem).

I disagree with the fact that it isn't absolute, clear favortism- which, at the start of all of these posts, I made sure to say, is absolutely Nintendo's prerogative, I just don't appreciate being told it is anything other than the clear favoritism it is, to which I have already gone to great depths to showcase.

At this point it is a circular conversation, and I don't feel my points are being read, or at minimum, are being disregarded- because yes, Ive stated that the Fire Emblem games were recent, but so were there many other recent games...that yes, two characters were made as echoes, but so could they have been from many other series. Instead of anything else, Fire Emblem was constantly chosen. These are also facts. Hence, it is favoritism, not mere timing.

Lucina was chosen as an echo, instead of any other series.
Roy was chosen to return, after Lucina already made it, instead of say, Wolf, for whom there was also great outcry for return.
Corrin was added as a character, instead of another series or character new to the time.
Chrom was made an echo, the only series to have two, with four characters originally based on the same design, more than any other series.
Byleth was made into a character, instead of any other series, creating 3 total FE DLC characters, whereas no other Nintendo series got more than one, cumilitively.

So yes, it may have had circumstances that made it more prime than some series, but not more than others, and certainly not five times in a row. Any one of these instances alone does not prove the point of favoritism, but in true Gestalt method, the sum is great than individual parts.
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Another example (beyond Pikmin, and Alph having been an echo, instead of Lucina or Chrom) of a game that could have used the help instead of Corrin/ Fire Emblem- which we already established had been given the same consolation handicap several times over---- is Chibi Robo. The poor guy had a game come out in 2015, in October no less, on a series that had previously seen moderately high sales, but was on its last leg. Instead, it died, whereas Smash could have helped to reinvigorate it.

tl;dr- in any one instance, it could be said Fire Emblem wasn't favored. However, all instances combined, create the clear picture.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Colosseum is based on the Arenas in various Fire Emblem games. They are buildings that you can send your units to and have them fight for EXP. In the games where there are no free battles, Arenas are important and can be quite potent in levelling up your units, especially your important ones.

OK so that does mean 3/4 of the Fire Emblem stages are based off of actual locations. Coliseum just isn't based off of a named one. It's also quite boring, but that's beside the point.

 

[ZelDan]

FE certainly could use some cooler stages.

One other thing disappointing about FE representation for me is the lack of any playable villain/antagonist. Black Knight could make for a cool character, and Edelgard would kind of work as an antagonist rep as well.

And no, I don't really count Robin as villain rep, when the one in Smash clearly isn't like the evil Robin or whatever.

 

[pupNapoleon]

FE certainly could use some cooler stages.

One other thing disappointing about FE representation for me is the lack of any playable villain/antagonist. Black Knight could make for a cool character, and Edelgard would kind of work as an antagonist rep as well.

And no, I don't really count Robin as villain rep, when the one in Smash clearly isn't like the evil Robin or whatever.

I personally had wanted Anna.

 

[BlondeLombax]

FE certainly could use some cooler stages.

One other thing disappointing about FE representation for me is the lack of any playable villain/antagonist. Black Knight could make for a cool character, and Edelgard would kind of work as an antagonist rep as well.

And no, I don't really count Robin as villain rep, when the one in Smash clearly isn't like the evil Robin or whatever.

I personally had wanted Anna.

I still stan Grima as a villain rep.
Not Robin-Grima, I mean the smaller baby Grima found in Shadows of Valentia.

 

[ZelDan]

I personally had wanted Anna.

She's not exactly one of my more wanted FE characters, but she'd be cool and would make sense as an addition considering she's been a consistant part of the series throughout many games and even became playable in a few of them.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

On the topic of stages, if you could add a stage to every series with a character, what would it be?

Spoiler: Examples/My Picks

• Super Mario: Bowser's Castle
• Donkey Kong: Sunset Shore
• The Legend of Zelda: Temple of Time
• Metroid: B.S.L. Research Station (Which sector? Um...Yes.)
• Yoshi: King Bowser's Castle (The arena where you fight Baby Bowser)
• Kirby: Castle Dedede
• Star Fox: Uh...dunno
• Pokémon: Galar Pokémon League (Yeah it would be the third Pokémon League stage, but the Dynamax Shenanigans could be really fun)
• Earthbound: Devil's Machine
• F-Zero: Sand Ocean Surface Slide
• Ice Climber: Ice Climber
• Fire Emblem: The Mila Tree
• Game & Watch: Game & Watch Gallery
• Kid Icarus: Underworld
• WarioWare: Haunted Mansion (Ashley's place)
• Metal Gear: Dunno
• Sonic the Hedgehog: Press Garden Zone (I know there are tons of more iconic locations, but I don't know them that well and this zone speaks to me)
• Pikmin: Submerged Castle
• R.O.B.: Gyromite
• Animal Crossing: Desert Island Escape
• Mega Man: Boss Room
• Wii Fit: Obstacle Course
• PUNCH-OUT!!: I...don't think there is a location other than Boxing Ring.
• Super Smash Bros.: Meta Crystal The diorama from the first game's intro
• PAC-Man: Galaga
• Xenoblade Chronicles: Miran Holodeck
• Duck Hunt: Gumshoe
• Street Fighter: Dunno
• Final Fantasy VII: Dunno
• Bayonetta: Dunno
• Splatoon: Mahi Mahi Resort
• Castlevania: Dunno
• Persona 5: Dunno
• Dragon Quest: Dunno
• Banjo-Kazooie: Gobi Desert
• Fatal Fury: Railroad
• ARMS: Sky Arena
• Minecraft: The Nether
• Tekken: Infinite Asure

Things to note:

• No returning stages allowed. All of them have to be new ideas.
  • EDIT: I just realized I broke my own rule here with Meta Crystal since while it's never been a normally selectable stage, it does exist...oops.
• You can skip series that you don't know well enough to answer.
• A WarioWare stage can be substituted with a Wario Land stage even though Super Smash Bros. doesn't seem to want to recognize it.
• The Robot series of games can all be used for R.O.B.'s stage.
• A Mii related stage (Miitopia, Miitomo, Tomodachi Life, Wii Sports, Wii Play, etc.) can be substituted for a Super Smash Bros. stage.
• A retro Namco arcade stage (Galaga and the like) can be used for a PAC-Man stage.
• Any of the Light Gun series of games can count for a Duck Hunt stage.
• If you hate the fact that it's just Final Fantasy VII, you can pick a stage from a different game in the series.
• The same goes for Persona 5.
• A King of Fighters stage will work for Fatal Fury as well.

 

[PSIGuy]

On the topic of stages, if you could add a stage to every series with a character, what would it be?

i would pick the most boring 1-1 grasslands equivalent for each series out of spite for the fact that i can't instead add stages for every series without a character instead

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

i would pick the most boring 1-1 grasslands equivalent for each series out of spite for the fact that i can't instead add stages for every series without a character instead

glances at Spirit list

Well you could try but we'd be here for quite a while.

 

[DarthEnderX]

To DarthEnder- how do you feel about a major character (Sora, Lara Croft, Doom Slayer, etc...) to which you may have no personal affinity?

Same as it is to someone like Steve or Banjo.

"I don't personally care about this, but I totally get why they're here, and don't begrudge them being here."

Every day I wish I could fire an imagination beam and make the Smash however I want it to be, roster or otherwise.

Uh...ditto?

Just because I don't like the game anymore doesn't mean im not allowed to be in certain places and watch what people say

Obviously you're "allowed", but you specifically said you don't care.

If you're still hanging around after you've stopped caring, then there's some problem with you.

 

[ahemtoday]

On the topic of stages, if you could add a stage to every series with a character, what would it be?

Spoiler: Examples/My Picks

• Super Mario: Bowser's Castle
• Donkey Kong: Sunset Shore
• The Legend of Zelda: Temple of Time
• Metroid: B.S.L. Research Station (Which sector? Um...Yes.)
• Yoshi: King Bowser's Castle (The arena where you fight Baby Bowser)
• Kirby: Castle Dedede
• Star Fox: Uh...dunno
• Pokémon: Galar Pokémon League (Yeah it would be the third Pokémon League stage, but the Dynamax Shenanigans could be really fun)
• Earthbound: Devil's Machine
• F-Zero: Sand Ocean Surface Slide
• Ice Climber: Ice Climber
• Fire Emblem: The Mila Tree
• Game & Watch: Game & Watch Gallery
• Kid Icarus: Underworld
• WarioWare: Haunted Mansion (Ashley's place)
• Metal Gear: Dunno
• Sonic the Hedgehog: Press Garden Zone (I know there are tons of more iconic locations, but I don't know them that well and this zone speaks to me)
• Pikmin: Submerged Castle
• R.O.B.: Gyromite
• Animal Crossing: Desert Island Escape
• Mega Man: Boss Room
• Wii Fit: Obstacle Course
• PUNCH-OUT!!: I...don't think there is a location other than Boxing Ring.
• Super Smash Bros.: Meta Crystal
• PAC-Man: Galaga
• Xenoblade Chronicles: Miran Holodeck
• Duck Hunt: Gumshoe
• Street Fighter: Dunno
• Final Fantasy VII: Dunno
• Bayonetta: Dunno
• Splatoon: Mahi Mahi Resort
• Castlevania: Dunno
• Persona 5: Dunno
• Dragon Quest: Dunno
• Banjo-Kazooie: Gobi Desert
• Fatal Fury: Railroad
• ARMS: Sky Arena
• Minecraft: The Nether
• Tekken: Infinite Asure

Things to note:

• No returning stages allowed. All of them have to be new ideas.
• You can skip series that you don't know well enough to answer.
• A WarioWare stage can be substituted for a Wario Land stage even though Super Smash Bros. doesn't seem to want to recognize it.
• The Robot series of games can all be used for R.O.B.'s stage.
• A Mii related stage (Miitopia, Miitomo, Tomodachi Life, Wii Sports, Wii Play, etc.) can be substituted for a Super Smash Bros. stage.
• A retro Namco arcade stage (Galaga and the like) can be used for a PAC-Man stage.
• Any of the Light Gun series of games can count for a Duck Hunt stage.
• If you hate the fact that it's just Final Fantasy VII, you can pick a stage from a different game in the series.
• The same goes for Persona 5.
• A King of Fighters stage will work for Fatal Fury as well.

This sounds like a fun game.

Spoiler

• Mario: Bowser's Castle
• DK: Mine Cart Madness
• The Legend of Zelda: Lost Woods
• Metroid: Ceres Space Colony
• YoshI; the place where you fight Raphael the Raven
• Kirby: Heavenly Hall
• Star Fox: Macbeth
• Pokémon: Sky Tower
• Earthbound: Saturn Valley
• F-Zero: Casino Palace
• Ice Climber: Icicle Mountain (but a different version that's like the actual NES game in terms of layout)
• Fire Emblem: Dragon's Gate
• Game & Watch: Turtle Bridge
• Kid Icarus: Underworld
• Wario: Sherbet Land
• Metal Gear: Rokovoj Bereg
• Sonic: Space Colony ARK
• Pikmin: Perplexing Pool
• R.O.B.: Gyromite
• Animal Crossing: Main Street
• Mega Man: Dr. Light's Laboratory
• Wii Fit: Rhythm Boxing Gym
• Punch-Out!: the Manhattan jogging interludes
• Super Smash Bros.: Midair Stadium
• Pac-Man: B-Doing Woods
• Xenoblade Chronicles: Stomach of Uraya
• Duck Hunt: Clay Shooting Field
• Street Fighter: San Francisco Bay
• Final Fantasy VII: Nibelheim
• Bayonetta: Cascade Foregrounds
• Splatoon: Starfish Mainstage
• Castlevania: Clock Tower
• Persona 5: Casino of Envy
• Dragon Quest: Alltrades Abbey
• Banjo-Kazooie: Grunty's Furnace Fun
• Fatal Fury: Transcontinental Railroad
• ARMS: Ramen Bowl
• Minecraft: The End
• Tekken: Infinite Azure

And I didn't even use any of your get-out-of-jail-free cards. Take that.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Speaking of which, has anyone here actually gotten a character they wanted?

Mega Man was my most wanted going into Smash 4. Got him.
Little Mac was one of my Top 5 most wanted. Got him.
Simon was my most wanted going into Ultimate. Got him.
Erdrick was another of my Top 5. Got him.

 

[Cyberfire]

On the topic of stages, if you could add a stage to every series with a character, what would it be?

Not going to do the entire roster, but here's some of mine;

Mario: Bowser's Castle
Donkey Kong: Sunset Shore
Zelda: Lon Lon Ranch
Pokemon: Glimwood Tangle
Sonic: Carnival Night Zone
ROB: Gyromite
Animal Crossing: The Museum
Minecraft: Cave

 

[BlondeLombax]

On the topic of stages, if you could add a stage to every series with a character, what would it be?

Games I've played are green, games I've at least touched are blue, and games I've never bothered with are red. With that out of the way...

Spoiler: Here... we... go.

Super Mario: Airship Fortress
Donkey Kong: KremKroc Industries, Inc.
The Legend of Zelda: Clock Town
Metroid: Chozo Laboratory
Yoshi: Baby Bowser's Castle
Kirby: Another Dimension
Star Fox: Zoness
Pokémon: Alola Pokémon League
Earthbound: Mount Itoi
F-Zero: Fire Field
Ice Climber: 8-Bit Icicle Mountain
Fire Emblem: Grima's Back
Game & Watch: Game & Watch Gallery
Kid Icarus: Auram Islands
WarioWare: Wario's Stadium
Metal Gear: Metal Gear EXCELSUS
Sonic the Hedgehog: Egg Fleet
Pikmin: Wistful Wild
R.O.B.: A giant R.O.B. In a giant living room. That's it.
Animal Crossing: Island Tour
Mega Man: Dr. Light's Lab
Wii Fit: Hula Studio
Punch-Out!!: World Circuit Ring
Mii: Dark Lord's Castle
PAC-MAN: PAC-MANIA
Xenoblade Chronicles: Sword Valley
Duck Hunt: Wild Gunman Desert
Street Fighter: Volcanic Rim
Final Fantasy VII: Gold Saucer
Bayonetta: Inferno
Splatoon: Shifty Station
Castlevania: Burning Village
Persona: TV World
Dragon Quest: Slimenia
Banjo-Kazooie: Cauldron Keep
Fatal Fury: West Albuquerque
ARMS: [NAME REDACTED]
Minecraft: The Nether
Tekken: Ogre's Temple

 

[ArkSPiTFirE]

Smash isn't a rewards system that grants characters to series who have proved themselves like Kirby.
It also isn't a savior that can bring series back from the dead like Golden Sun.

Well we don't know that for sure, because Golden Sun isn't fully in Smash yet; but you could say the same for someone like Banjo and I'd agree with you. What it does do though is satisfy fans who grew up with those series, and at the very least will drum up some hype for the series that will get YouTubers and normal users to play the games again or for the first time.

So while its not Sakurai's responsibity to save franchises, it does help help keep the dream alive. Even if we don't get another F-Zero or Mother game, people will keep those games in high regard for days.

I was watching a streamer who's delving deep into Nintendo lately, and someone in the comments said "You should really play Mother 3." and all I could think was "What? Why?". The game that sold 368k copies total, and wasn't localised outside of Japan? That's my initial reasoning, but I know the truth is its a really good series, and the West has been asking for a proper localisation for ages. But it's something I don't think as many people would have a massive connection to, if it weren't for Ness and Lucas in Smash. Fire Emblem took off in similar fashion, only that just keeps going and going.

Mother series wins 'New Game' polls all the time, even though the series is done. People love it, people want it. Smash won't let people forget. Many of us want Golden Sun to have that kind of respect, even if the series doesn't continue.

 

[EmperorCoal]

She's not exactly one of my more wanted FE characters, but she'd be cool and would make sense as an addition considering she's been a consistant part of the series throughout many games and even became playable in a few of them.

Playing my first Fire Emblem game (three houses) now and this is... a revaluation. Totally figured when she was first mentioned y’all meant someone else but now realizing she is totally that one FE girl that sells you spirits in Ultimate. This gal is even in my class rn, I can still hear her voice in my head, that constant never ended "working, for money. HEH, you understand.”

 

[Mamboo07]

On the topic of stages, if you could add a stage to every series with a character, what would it be?

Spoiler: Examples/My Picks

• Super Mario: Bowser's Castle
• Donkey Kong: Sunset Shore
• The Legend of Zelda: Temple of Time
• Metroid: B.S.L. Research Station (Which sector? Um...Yes.)
• Yoshi: King Bowser's Castle (The arena where you fight Baby Bowser)
• Kirby: Castle Dedede
• Star Fox: Uh...dunno
• Pokémon: Galar Pokémon League (Yeah it would be the third Pokémon League stage, but the Dynamax Shenanigans could be really fun)
• Earthbound: Devil's Machine
• F-Zero: Sand Ocean Surface Slide
• Ice Climber: Ice Climber
• Fire Emblem: The Mila Tree
• Game & Watch: Game & Watch Gallery
• Kid Icarus: Underworld
• WarioWare: Haunted Mansion (Ashley's place)
• Metal Gear: Dunno
• Sonic the Hedgehog: Press Garden Zone (I know there are tons of more iconic locations, but I don't know them that well and this zone speaks to me)
• Pikmin: Submerged Castle
• R.O.B.: Gyromite
• Animal Crossing: Desert Island Escape
• Mega Man: Boss Room
• Wii Fit: Obstacle Course
• PUNCH-OUT!!: I...don't think there is a location other than Boxing Ring.
• Super Smash Bros.: Meta Crystal The diorama from the first game's intro
• PAC-Man: Galaga
• Xenoblade Chronicles: Miran Holodeck
• Duck Hunt: Gumshoe
• Street Fighter: Dunno
• Final Fantasy VII: Dunno
• Bayonetta: Dunno
• Splatoon: Mahi Mahi Resort
• Castlevania: Dunno
• Persona 5: Dunno
• Dragon Quest: Dunno
• Banjo-Kazooie: Gobi Desert
• Fatal Fury: Railroad
• ARMS: Sky Arena
• Minecraft: The Nether
• Tekken: Infinite Asure

Things to note:

• No returning stages allowed. All of them have to be new ideas.
  • EDIT: I just realized I broke my own rule here with Meta Crystal since while it's never been a normally selectable stage, it does exist...oops.
• You can skip series that you don't know well enough to answer.
• A WarioWare stage can be substituted with a Wario Land stage even though Super Smash Bros. doesn't seem to want to recognize it.
• The Robot series of games can all be used for R.O.B.'s stage.
• A Mii related stage (Miitopia, Miitomo, Tomodachi Life, Wii Sports, Wii Play, etc.) can be substituted for a Super Smash Bros. stage.
• A retro Namco arcade stage (Galaga and the like) can be used for a PAC-Man stage.
• Any of the Light Gun series of games can count for a Duck Hunt stage.
• If you hate the fact that it's just Final Fantasy VII, you can pick a stage from a different game in the series.
• The same goes for Persona 5.
• A King of Fighters stage will work for Fatal Fury as well.

Here I go:

Spoiler: My picks

• Mario: Bowser's Castle
• DK: Cliffside Slide
• The Legend of Zelda: Arbiter's Grounds
• Metroid: Cryosphere
• Yoshi: Naval Piranha's Sewer
• Kirby: Castle Dedede
• Star Fox: Solar
• Pokémon: Hammerlocke Stadium
• Earthbound: Cave of the Past
• F-Zero: Phantom Road
• Ice Climber: Icicle Mountain (but a different version like the actual NES game)
• Fire Emblem: Grima (fight on top of him flying around)
• Game & Watch: Turtle Bridge
• Kid Icarus: Rail Temple
• Wario: Shake Dimension
• Metal Gear: EXCELSUS
• Sonic: City Escape
• Pikmin: Caves
• R.O.B.: Gyromite
• Animal Crossing: Main Street
• Mega Man: Dr. Light's Laboratory
• Wii Fit: Rhythm Boxing Gym
• Punch-Out!: the Manhattan jogging interludes
• Mii: Hobbiville (From Streetpass Zombies)
• Pac-Man: Clyde's Caldera
• Xenoblade Chronicles: Stomach of Uraya
• Duck Hunt: Clay Shooting Field
• Street Fighter: San Francisco Bay
• Final Fantasy: Phantom Train
• Bayonetta: Route 666
• Splatoon: Saltspray Rig
• Castlevania: Clock Tower
• Persona 5: Cruiser of Pride
• Dragon Quest: Alltrades Abbey
• Banjo-Kazooie: Hailfire Peaks
• Fatal Fury: Transcontinental Railroad
• ARMS: Snake Park
• Minecraft: Nether
• Tekken: Devil's Pit

 

[UltimateCyborgOverlord]

I have no idea what a Grima is since I have never played Fire Emblem, but seeing people talk about him, honestly the first place my mind goes to is Mokey’s Show where Mokey excitedly gets up on Krima morning and breaks people’s legs for sleeping in on Krima, amongst other things, and the whole thing is set to Super Mario 64’s Snowman’s Land/Cool, Cool Mountain. Plus that one time that it was NOT Krima and Momey screamed “ITS NOT KRIMA!”

I love those stupid shows haha

 

[Rie Sonomura]

On the topic of stages, if you could add a stage to every series with a character, what would it be?

Spoiler: Examples/My Picks

• Super Mario: Bowser's Castle
• Donkey Kong: Sunset Shore
• The Legend of Zelda: Temple of Time
• Metroid: B.S.L. Research Station (Which sector? Um...Yes.)
• Yoshi: King Bowser's Castle (The arena where you fight Baby Bowser)
• Kirby: Castle Dedede
• Star Fox: Uh...dunno
• Pokémon: Galar Pokémon League (Yeah it would be the third Pokémon League stage, but the Dynamax Shenanigans could be really fun)
• Earthbound: Devil's Machine
• F-Zero: Sand Ocean Surface Slide
• Ice Climber: Ice Climber
• Fire Emblem: The Mila Tree
• Game & Watch: Game & Watch Gallery
• Kid Icarus: Underworld
• WarioWare: Haunted Mansion (Ashley's place)
• Metal Gear: Dunno
• Sonic the Hedgehog: Press Garden Zone (I know there are tons of more iconic locations, but I don't know them that well and this zone speaks to me)
• Pikmin: Submerged Castle
• R.O.B.: Gyromite
• Animal Crossing: Desert Island Escape
• Mega Man: Boss Room
• Wii Fit: Obstacle Course
• PUNCH-OUT!!: I...don't think there is a location other than Boxing Ring.
• Super Smash Bros.: Meta Crystal The diorama from the first game's intro
• PAC-Man: Galaga
• Xenoblade Chronicles: Miran Holodeck
• Duck Hunt: Gumshoe
• Street Fighter: Dunno
• Final Fantasy VII: Dunno
• Bayonetta: Dunno
• Splatoon: Mahi Mahi Resort
• Castlevania: Dunno
• Persona 5: Dunno
• Dragon Quest: Dunno
• Banjo-Kazooie: Gobi Desert
• Fatal Fury: Railroad
• ARMS: Sky Arena
• Minecraft: The Nether
• Tekken: Infinite Asure

Things to note:

• No returning stages allowed. All of them have to be new ideas.
  • EDIT: I just realized I broke my own rule here with Meta Crystal since while it's never been a normally selectable stage, it does exist...oops.
• You can skip series that you don't know well enough to answer.
• A WarioWare stage can be substituted with a Wario Land stage even though Super Smash Bros. doesn't seem to want to recognize it.
• The Robot series of games can all be used for R.O.B.'s stage.
• A Mii related stage (Miitopia, Miitomo, Tomodachi Life, Wii Sports, Wii Play, etc.) can be substituted for a Super Smash Bros. stage.
• A retro Namco arcade stage (Galaga and the like) can be used for a PAC-Man stage.
• Any of the Light Gun series of games can count for a Duck Hunt stage.
• If you hate the fact that it's just Final Fantasy VII, you can pick a stage from a different game in the series.
• The same goes for Persona 5.
• A King of Fighters stage will work for Fatal Fury as well.

Sand Ocean for F-Zero

you got taste my dude, that’s one of my fave GX venues

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

I have no idea what a Grima is since I have never played Fire Emblem, but seeing people talk about him, honestly the first place my mind goes to is Mokey’s Show where Mokey excitedly gets up on Krima morning and breaks people’s legs for sleeping in on Krima, amongst other things, and the whole thing is set to Super Mario 64’s Snowman’s Land/Cool, Cool Mountain. Plus that one time that it was NOT Krima and Momey screamed “ITS NOT KRIMA!”

I love those stupid shows haha

Grima is the main villain of Fire Emblem Awakening.

 

[Perkilator]

On the topic of stages, if you could add a stage to every series with a character, what would it be?

It’s not much, but we definitely should’ve had:

• Bowser’s Castle
• Coconut Mall
• Melemele Island
• Opera House
• Studiopolis Zone
• Gyromite
• Ramen Bowl as well, I guess

R.O.B.'s series is the only series with a playable character that doesn't have a stage in any Smash game.

...Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go cry in a corner.

 

[Opossum]

OK so that does mean 3/4 of the Fire Emblem stages are based off of actual locations. Coliseum just isn't based off of a named one. It's also quite boring, but that's beside the point.

It has more of a basis than Castle Siege, yeah, but it's hardly a specific location since the Arenas change quite a lot from game to game and it's not explicitly tied to any of them. It's like the Fire Emblem equivalent of the Pokémon Stadium stages, basically. So still like...not great when there are so many actual game locations that could work better.

It gets worse when you realize Arena Ferox, the most iconic Arena from the series even if it's not a traditional one, was already a stage in Smash 4 3DS, whereas base game Smash 4 alone also had Marth and Ike who still don't have stages.

 

[Gengar84]

Speaking of which, has anyone here actually gotten a character they wanted?
When it comes to Smash, Sephiroth was like my 2nd MW, which is kinda funny because I thought him to be the most impossible out of the bunch (between Shadow, Zero, Dante and such) yet here we are.

Still, aside from him, I think I've never ever gotten a character I actively wanted (wasn't into FF7 when Cloud was added)

While I’ve never gotten my pipe dream absolute most wanted, I did get several characters I really wanted in Ultimate: . Sephiroth and K. Rool specifically were in my top 10 most wanted overall.

 

[Cosmic77]

I haven't gotten very lucky with DLC, but the base roster added a ton of my most-wanteds. Still pumped to have gotten Ridley and Dark Samus despite Metroid getting virtually no new games between Smash 4 and Ultimate.

 

[Ivander]

On the topic of stages, if you could add a stage to every series with a character, what would it be?

Spoiler

: Bowser's Castle
: Homecoming Hijinx(DK Island when it was frozen by the Snowmads)
: Death Mountain
: BSL Station, moving between the different Sectors.
: Nothing notable
: Resolution Road
: Sauria
: Ultra Space
: I don't know.
: Osohe Castle
: Doesn't need a new stage.
: The Opera House of Cyrkensia
: Doesn't need a new stage.
: The Underworld
: The Golden Pyramid(Wario Land 4)
: I don't know.
: Gyromite
: Don't think you can get any different from it's currant stages.
: Doesn't need a new stage.
: Doesn't need a new stage.
: Mira, switching between the areas.
: Doesn't need a new stage.
: Marooner's Bay
: Ramen Bowl
: I don't know
: Chemical Plant
: If a regular Megaman stage, then Dr. Light's lab. If it can be any Megaman series stage, then either Central Highway or Sky Lagoon.
: Just bring back Paz-Maze.
: Ken's stage, Battle Harbor.
: If Final Fantasy VII only, then Nibelheim. If any Final Fantasy, then the Chaos Shrine.
: I don't know.
: The Clocktower
: I don't know.
: Trodain Castle
: Isle O' Hags.
: I don't know.
: The Nether.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

The Legend of Zelda: Lost Woods

I love this idea.

YoshI; the place where you fight Raphael the Raven

I feel like this stage would be what Mario Galaxy should have been.

ARMS: Snake Park

No...Not the Beyblade level! NOOOOOOOOOO!

Actually it would at least be fun to see how they'd implement it, even if it's a train wreck.

you got taste my dude, that’s one of my fave GX venues

I was also considering Lightning, and Phantom Road for how cool they looked, and Green Plant for its unique take on a grassy area. I normally don't like the look of desert areas (and the Sand Ocean stage in SSF2 is really boring), but at a glance Sand Ocean did look kind of cool. What sold me was the very early 2000's arcade style sand snake that "bites you" as you enter the tunnel.