Knight Dude
Keeping it going.
Gotta get that PLOK costume my G.If we got a new Smash Ballot but for Mii Costumes who would you all request?
Or Raziel. Or Shovel Knight.
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Gotta get that PLOK costume my G.If we got a new Smash Ballot but for Mii Costumes who would you all request?
To be fair, we're talking about the same company that was reportedly surprised about King K. Rool and Banjo & Kazooie's positive reception, even though anyone in the fanbase could tell these were speculation darlings for some time.Even crazier that people think that's not enough demand to get him in.
Probably. This poll is the Source Gaming one, no? Not sure how big the Brazilian fanbase is, or even why they're keeping tabs on the region/language of people, but that might be why.I'm guessing it's because of Brazil, which apparently has more Portuguese speakers than Portugal itself does. Granted, I believe Nintendo's presence there has been rather shaky, but it's still a sizeable population to take into account.
do it thenI could probably name about several dozen first parties off the top of my head alone that are more glaring omissions tbh.
I wouldn't say Porky is confirmed, but his omission is not overexaggerated. In fact, most of his fans knows his chances are really low. The thing is that not only Porky was gone, but Giygas as well and the Pig King Statue(another boss in brawl). Every playable series in Smash that has a villain have them in some form(fighter/spirit) except for Earthbound. If Giygas and the Pig King Statue were spirits then Porky's omission wouldn't be such a big dealI always feel people overexaggerate Porky's importance. The reason he was added as a boss in Brawl was because he was the main antagonist of Mother 3, which was relevant at the time of Brawl's development and later release, just like Rayquaza.
He just happened to be also a main driving force in Earthbound as well, and let's face it, Porky doesn't hold a candle compared to Dracula, Ganon, or even Marx (because you bet your ass Sakurai will always show an opportunity to shove in Kirby content from games he made) in terms of importance and general recognition. Weirder omissions have happened in the past.
A lot of people thought that Isaac would be DLC in Smash 4 due to his absence as an AT, the only content we got was the Brawl Remix and a direct Rip from DD. I mean if Tekken could come with a random Heihachi Mii and then later with a full on pack, then the same could have happened with Golden Sun right?
Oh and i also want to say that Diddy Kong, DK's Buddy, who was the MAIN protagonist of 2 DK games, was nowhere to be found in Melee outside of maybe a passing mention. THAT is a far more glaring omission that Porky will ever be.
And look at the three of them back to back on the poll, which was done around the time of the ballot, which is the reason K. Rool and Banjo even got in.To be fair, we're talking about the same company that was reportedly surprised about King K. Rool and Banjo & Kazooie's positive reception, even though anyone in the fanbase could tell these were speculation darlings for some time.
I'm not even that interested in her, but since it dawned on me that the reason why she'd be CP11 (if such a thing were to happen) would basically be the same reason Wolf got in over her, I'd like to see her just because that'd be funny.I kinda miss that Krystal isn't brought up any more.
Star Fox is an awesome franchise and she's an awesome character with a lot of potential.
Really wish she came back.
Sure thing hombre. I'll be including any character that has more than 1 international appearance or has an appearance (outside of Smash) on anything newer than the GBA.do it then
I know you didn't say that literally, but you have implied, as far as I understood, that more newer characters = less old characters. And I assumed you were going by the "if character A gets in, character B has one less chance to be in the game" logic, as if characters were competing for a spot in the roster.First of all, the whole "stealing slots" came from you. Unless I specifically say "They stole slots" I don't mean exactly that. Blowing it out of context. Summary of what I originally said so I don't have to debate this with you anymore: Older Nintendo characters like Dixie, Waluigi, Isaac, Skull Kid, etc.. are just more deserving in my eyes than these newer not as popular characters. (when new characters are shown off... obviously they have to build popularity from peoples experience playing the game so the love isn't there yet, because they are brand new...that's the gist)
It'd be much different for any of you if the people you surround yourself with feel the same way about these things that you do, which makes the feeling stronger. I as well as most of the people I know just prefer the older characters we remember growing up with getting in rather than newer characters. It's not to say we hate the newer characters, but it's more of a bummer than anything is all. Plain and simple. That's the great thing about opinions. We can all have them and nobody can really do anything about it.
K. Rool and Ridley have technically been in since 64 through the DK and Metroid franchises, so they are immune to any/all obstacles IMO. A Smash game with older faces in it might be BORING to you and a game with newer faces (what we currently have) might be BORING to me. People are different. No middle ground for folks like us. Trust me. I just choose to look at Smash as a UNION type of thing. Where the longer you have been around, you should always get to the top before anyone else. That is my personal choice and I see nothing wrong with it.
..........Giygas has NEVER made a direct appearance in Smash. There hasn't been a Giygas/Guiege Trophy/Sticker/Spirit in the series ever. For that reason alone im not surprised that Porky is missing. If the Main Antagonist and driving force of the first 2 Mother games was absent and no one made a fuss about it, why is it so hard to wrap your head around the idea that Porky's absence may not mean anything?I wouldn't say Porky is confirmed, but his omission is not overexaggerated. In fact, most of his fans knows his chances are really low. The thing is that not only Porky was gone, but Giygas as well and the Pig King Statue(another boss in brawl). Every playable series in Smash that has a villain have them form(fighter/spirit) except for Earthbound. If Giygas and the Pig King Statue were spirits then Porky's omission wouldn't be such a big deal
"Name any first party absence more glaring than Porky's."Sure thing hombre. I'll be including any character that has more than 1 international appearance or has an appearance on anything newer than the GBA.
Waluigi
Kamek
Poochy
Paper Mario
Toad
Toadette
Pauline
Birdo
King Boo
Dixie Kong
Funky Kong
Cranky Kong
Rhythm Heaven characters (Chorus Kids, Karate Joe, etc)
Isaac
Matthew
Advance Wars characters (Andy, Sami, etc)
Slippy Toad
Peppy Hare
Krystal
Skull Kid
Impa
Midna
Ghirahim
Tetra
Ganon
Tingle
Bandanna Dee
Marx
Magalor
Adeleine and Ribbon
Dark Meta Knight
Susie
Ashley
Captain Syrup
Mona
Jimmy T
9-Volt
Kat and Ana
Elma
Rex
Octoling
DJ Octavio
Lyn
Tiki
Ephraim
Eirika
Hector
Anna
Claude
Dimitri
Edelgard
Euden
Viridi
Medusa
Hades
Astral Chain Reps
Ring Fit Trainers
Tom Nook
KK Slider
Dillon
Excitebike
Ayumi Tachibana
Ray MK III
Glass Joe
Doc Louis
Spring Man
Ribbon Girl
Twintelle
Max Brass
Black Shadow
Wonder Red
Louie
Brittany
Charlie
Starfy
Meowth
Eevee
Decidueye
Tons of Pokemon that I probably would break the page if I tried listing them all.
etc. etc. etc.
I could probably add some more given more time, but this is all I'll come up with for now.
Okay, but that doesn't go agains my other point. We've yet to get a character that flopped in Japan - even if people love to forget K. Rool and BK had a decent amount of support over there.And look at the three of them back to back on the poll, which was done around the time of the ballot, which is the reason K. Rool and Banjo even got in.
They didn't know of the demand until we had a direct feed to them, and there's next to no chance that Rayman didn't do well in it.
It's not about good/bad. It's about being iconic video game characters. Which newer characters just haven't proven that they'll stand the test of time.The attitude of "new bad, old good" is super dumb, and it's shocking that it's still around as much as it is. Byleth, Min Min, and Pyra/Mythra have just as much of a "right" to be in Smash as the likes of Ridley, K. Rool, and Banjo.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Japan have next to no idea who Little Mac was? I distinctly remember that being a thing.Okay, but that doesn't go agains my other point. We've yet to get a character that flopped in Japan - even if people love to forget K. Rool and BK had a decent amount of support over there.
I thought there was a whole 'iconic' debate in the first discussion thread and how it's essentially a buzzword that doesn't really aid in the discussion because 'iconic' to one person isn't to another. Like...could Ice Climbers REALLY be considered 'iconic' considering they haven't had a game since the NES and it wasn't even that well known of a game? They got in not really because of iconic status but because Sakurai wanted to put them in more than anything. I don't know if the Icies stood the test of time on their own. Smash did that for them.It's not about good/bad. It's about being iconic video game character. Which newer characters just haven't proven that they'll stand the test of time.
Also, Byleth doesn't suck cause he's new. He sucks cause he's the 8th character for a franchise of only moderate popularity.
Duster was done dirty, man. At least make him an assist trophy like Jeff, he could staple you down to the stage or something.Also honestly I don't even think Porky is the biggest Earthbound omission...I think the fact that Duster makes no appearance as a 3D model is infinitely worse.
It was, yes. If I'm not mistaken, only some more hardcore fans knew Punch-Out. To a smaller extent, it also applies to Metroid, which is much bigger in the west.Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Japan have next to no idea who Little Mac was? I distinctly remember that being a thing.
He's given a pass due to him being of Japanese origin when it comes to his creation. Punch Out was always meant to be a game with a western mindset in mind, but almost everyone who worked in the first Punch Out games became important figures of Nintendo's Japanese Development teams, including the ever important Genyo Takeda as the creator and designer and producer, with Shigeru Miyamoto as an Artist, and Koji Kondo as a composer. So even if the franchise is more western oriented, i feel his japanese roots helped mitigate the problem somewhat.Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Japan have next to no idea who Little Mac was? I distinctly remember that being a thing.
I believe his character specific mechanic is the ability to turn opponents around, so he could just sit there and do that a bunch of times.Duster was done dirty, man. At least make him an assist trophy like Jeff, he could staple you down to the stage or something.
So basically a glorified version of Mario's Cape?I believe his character specific mechanic is the ability to turn opponents around, so he could just sit there and do that a bunch of times.
I can see him being a stage cameo being part of DCMC in Porky's Stage Empire Porky Building.Duster was done dirty, man. At least make him an assist trophy like Jeff, he could staple you down to the stage or something.
Yeah but like full screen or something.So basically a glorified version of Mario's Cape?
It wouldn't be the first time they've ended on disappointment, it'd just be the first time the tables were turned on Japan.Having a third party character that's like that at the very end of DLC would be a completely different can of worms, though. In any other situation, I'd be saying Ray has a shot, especially if it was a base game or double DLC reveal.
Yeah it was multiple things, the one you're thinking of is that sometimes he'd be fast enough for your party to be able to attack from behind at the start of battle, he didn't actually turn them around. The staples are a staple of his kit though, even being used multiple times outside of battle in the story.I believe his character specific mechanic is the ability to turn opponents around, so he could just sit there and do that a bunch of times.
EDIT: Actually I think I recall it being multiple things so I dunno.
Isn't Bayonetta really niche in Japan though? Bayo in general is niche, but most of her popularity comes from America from what i recall.It wouldn't be the first time they've ended on disappointment, it'd just be the first time the tables were turned on Japan.
Actually he can turn enemies around using the Siren Beetle. IIRC though it doesn't usually work.Yeah it was multiple things, the one you're thinking of is that sometimes he'd be fast enough for your party to be able to attack from behind at the start of battle, he didn't actually turn them around.
Speaking of full-screen, I can actually name 12 Mega Man characters that do have full-screen affective special weapons, those being...Yeah but like full screen or something.
But that's the thing: it's never happened before.It wouldn't be the first time they've ended on disappointment, it'd just be the first time the tables were turned on Japan.
Toad Man Assist Trophy: uses Rain Flush "I ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING!!!Speaking of full-screen, I can actually name 12 Mega Man characters that do have full-screen affective special weapons, those being...
1. Time Man (Mega Man: Powered Up)
2. Flash Man (Mega Man 2)
3. Bright Man (Mega Man 4)
4. Toad Man (Mega Man 4)
5. Gravity Man (Mega Man 5)
6. Centaur Man (Mega Man 6)
7. Mercury (Rockman World 5)
8. Astro Man (Mega Man 8)
9. Dynamo Man (Mega Man & Bass)
10. Tornado Man (Mega Man 9)
11. Tundra Man (with Power Gear active) (Mega Man 11)
12. Clock Men (Mega Man & Bass: Challenger From the Future)
I think you're thinking of Saturn. Mercury just stands there and uses Grab Buster.7. Mercury (Rockman World 5)
Oh. Lemme fix that real quick. XDToad Man Assist Trophy: uses Rain Flush "I ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING!!!
I think Tornado Man would make for an interesting Assist Trophy since he increases everyone's jump height.
I think you're thinking of Saturn. Mercury just stands there and uses Grab Buster.
Third party companies can't have more than one fighter, it's never happened be-But that's the thing: it's never happened before.
She "won" the ballot in Europe.Isn't Bayonetta really niche in Japan though? Bayo in general is niche, but most of her popularity comes from America from what i recall.
This is how Vile wins.Hear me out y'all
Brawler Villain - Kazuya
Swordfighter Villain - Sephiroth
Gunner Villain - ???
(this is a joke btw)