Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Metal Shop X]

I know...

But I don't want this to be the default for the federation.

They've already tried and failed to weaponize/contain Metroids and X.

Phazon would be even more horrendous.

An X parasite infected by Phazon would be horrific.

Dark SA-X.

AKA Samus can't catch a break.

 

[Twilord]

An X parasite infected by Phazon would be horrific.

Now that sounds like a threat worthy of Prime 4.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I know...

But I don't want this to be the default for the federation.

They've already tried and failed to weaponize/contain Metroids and X.

Phazon would be even more horrendous.

An X parasite infected by Phazon would be horrific.

I kinda agree as I don't want Phazon and Dark Samus brought back for ****s and giggles but after you bear her in Prime 1 she does resemble a Core X...

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Dark Samus IS after all the Metroid Prime that codes itself to the Phazon Suit in the post credits scene so it would be weird to have Metroid Prime 4 without Metroid Prime itself being present.

 

[Kritter]

Do you guys think there is a chance that Sakurai has something else planned like a new mode or upgrade to an existing mode along with CP11? I know he said Home Run Contest was it but that may have just been for FP1. That might explain why it would take longer than usual.

I'm hoping they release some of the last stages that didn't return before CP11.

 

[CroonerMike]

Do you guys think there is a chance that Sakurai has something else planned like a new mode or upgrade to an existing mode along with CP11? I know he said Home Run Contest was it but that may have just been for FP1. That might explain why it would take longer than usual.

Still wishing for boss battles!

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Do you guys think there is a chance that Sakurai has something else planned like a new mode or upgrade to an existing mode along with CP11? I know he said Home Run Contest was it but that may have just been for FP1. That might explain why it would take longer than usual.

Please give me the WoL possession effects/fake fighter effects on literally ANY fighter, any alignment, outside of WoL. Hero’s trailer showed it was possible NO I WILL NOT STOP HARPING ON THIS

also, GBA/DS rep? Allow me to shill my son(TM)

 

[RileyXY1]

Still wishing for boss battles!

That mode already exists. It just requires you to play as Sephiroth.

 

[Gengar84]

Please give me the WoL possession effects/fake fighter effects on literally ANY fighter, any alignment, outside of WoL. Hero’s trailer showed it was possible NO I WILL NOT STOP HARPING ON THIS

also, GBA/DS rep? Allow me to shill my son(TM)
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That would be really cool actually. I wish we’d get some DLC outfits for the rest of the fighters and not limited to just Miis. I would definitely pay for alt outfits, stages, and music alone.

 

[Quick Gaming (QG)]

Of these two more niche picks, who do you believe is more likely (not necessarily if either one is likely but just between the two), Frisk or a Danganronpa rep

 

[Gengar84]

Of these two more niche picks, who do you believe is more likely (not necessarily if either one is likely but just between the two), Frisk or a Danganronpa rep

I want to say Frisk because we already have Undertale content in Smash. I imagine that would make negotiations for a playable character easier.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Do you guys think there is a chance that Sakurai has something else planned like a new mode or upgrade to an existing mode along with CP11? I know he said Home Run Contest was it but that may have just been for FP1. That might explain why it would take longer than usual.

No new modes. He made that clear.

Upgrades? Very possible. New options for World of Light/Spirit Battles, maybe some more stuff for Multi-Man Smash. Like a playable Master Hand(that mode only too), the ability to play as Master Hand anywhere on World of Light, new parts for Stage Builder(seriously, why the lack of parts? I'm not even saying a Target Test piece here!).

 

[Twilord]

I kinda dream that after we get the last fighter Sakurai will reveal that they have also finished work on a much more expansive character-creator.

Imagine if THE ULTIMATE FINALE of Smash Bros were legitimately becoming Smash Bros Mugen. (With rules sorta-like custom stages, where they can only be used online in dedicated arenas.)

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

All I really care about for Prime 4 is Sylux. The teaser trailer at the end of 3 and later Federation Force interests me in what Retro has planned.

The Phazon storyline is fully wrapped up so I’m a little apprehensive about bringing it back. It wouldn’t be the end of the world, but I don’t think it serves muxh of a point.

 

[Gengar84]

No new modes. He made that clear.

Upgrades? Very possible. New options for World of Light/Spirit Battles, maybe some more stuff for Multi-Man Smash. Like a playable Master Hand(that mode only too), the ability to play as Master Hand anywhere on World of Light, new parts for Stage Builder(seriously, why the lack of parts? I'm not even saying a Target Test piece here!).

Stage Builder is great but it could definitely use some improvements like setting spawn points, using any stage as a background, more parts, and an overall better search function online. That would probably be better than any new mode except for a solid single player (or co-op) adventure like SSE but I don’t think there’s any chance of a new SSE.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Stage Builder is great but it could definitely use some improvements like setting spawn points, using any stage as a background, more parts, and an overall better search function online. That would probably be better than any new mode except for a solid single player (or co-op) adventure like SSE but I don’t think there’s any chance of a new SSE.

...Adding Co-Op to World of Light actually would be a really good move. Albeit, it would mean the battles would become too easy, or they have to reprogram them as is to balance it better. Maybe they have enough time for that. It's just weird to not have it after SSE massively upgraded the Adventure Mode options in general.

 

[Perkilator]

Do you guys think there is a chance that Sakurai has something else planned like a new mode or upgrade to an existing mode along with CP11? I know he said Home Run Contest was it but that may have just been for FP1. That might explain why it would take longer than usual.

Hopefully the following:

1. Boss Battles mode
2. The actual All-Star mode, with each group of fighters being fought by game of debut

 

[Eldrake]

Dark Samus IS after all the Metroid Prime that codes itself to the Phazon Suit in the post credits scene so it would be weird to have Metroid Prime 4 without Metroid Prime itself being present.

It's already not present in Hunters and Federation Force.
Prime refers to the game style now.

 

[drag0nscythe]

Please give me the WoL possession effects/fake fighter effects on literally ANY fighter, any alignment, outside of WoL. Hero’s trailer showed it was possible NO I WILL NOT STOP HARPING ON THIS

also, GBA/DS rep? Allow me to shill my son(TM)
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It is taking longer then usual because they have 6 months to go and the longer they stretch it out, the more hype they can build for the last fighter. No other reason. It is that or they have not started on the last character and need to finish him.
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I am in the camp where this is it. We will have the fighter, stage, music and maybe 5 more mii costumes. That is it.

 

[Gengar84]

It is taking longer then usual because they have 6 months to go and the longer they stretch it out, the more hype they can build for the last fighter. No other reason. It is that or they have not started on the last character and need to finish him.
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I am in the camp where this is it. We will have the fighter, stage, music and maybe 5 more mii costumes. That is it.

I think the most likely scenario is because it will be another character with a fairly complex moveset that takes longer to implement. If that ends up being the reason then I think the odds of another fighting game character like Scorpion go up since they tend to have more involved movesets. Another option is we could get a character from a new genre with a detailed system of gameplay, like Sarah Kerrigan from StarCraft representing RTS mechanics by summoning Zerg units.

 

[Technomage]

So thinking about if every third party had three characters.

How would you finish Microsoft and Bandai Namco?

How would you do SNK?

What three would come from other Publishers? (Like Activision-Blizzard, Ubisoft, NIS, EA, Valve, et cetera.)

For Microsoft: Master Chief
For Namco: Yuri Lowell
For SNK: Marco Rossi and Mai Shiranui
For Koei-Tecmo: Ryu Hayabusa, Kasumi, and Lu Bu
For Activision-Blizzard: Crash Bandicoot, Tracer, and the Lich King from World of Warcraft
For Ubisoft: Rayman, Rabbid, and Ezio

 

[Geno Boost]

Just for fun, I decided to examine the game franchises Wikipedia lists as the highest grossing and see what we can rule out based on what we know. I'll be sticking solely to franchises not represented with a playable character in Smash so no Mario, Pokemon, Minecraft, etc, and of course I'll also be skipping over franchises based on movies/books (should I make an exception to the Witcher? eh why not) as well as sports games and series exclusive to other consoles. I'll also be eliminating options that don't have obvious main characters (such as Call of Duty where you typically play as a nameless soldier)

First off, the list:
Tetris - 495m
Assassin's Creed - 155m
Resident Evil - 110m
Tom Clancy's - 82m (it lists other types of Tom Clancy games but I decided to exclude them)
Tomb Raider - 82m
Worms - 75m
Monster Hunter - 72m
Borderlands - 70m
Red Dead - 60m
The Elder Scrolls - 58.5m
Mortal Kombat - 54m
Crash Bandicoot - 50m
Far Cry - 50m
Diablo - 50m
The Witcher - 50m
Fallout - 38m
BioShock - 37m
Brain Age - 33.89m
Kingdom Hearts - 32m
Souls - 28.7m
Nintendogs - 27.95m
Half-Life - 27.6m
Rayman - 26m
Tales - 23.86m
Power Pros - 23.5m
Mystery Dungeon - 23.18m
Devil May Cry - 23m
Prince of Persia - 20m
Frogger - 20m
J. B. Harold - 20m
Lemmings - 20m
Simple - 20m
Spyro - 20m
Mass Effect - 20m
Raving Rabbids - 20m
Watch Dogs - 20m

From here, I'll eliminate series that are already represented in Smash in some form (not to say they won't get a fighter of course, just to simplify things)
Tom Clancy's - 82m
Tomb Raider - 82m
Worms - 75m
Borderlands - 70m
Red Dead - 60m
Mortal Kombat - 54m
Crash Bandicoot - 50m
Far Cry - 50m
Diablo - 50m
The Witcher - 50m
BioShock - 37m
Kingdom Hearts - 32m
Souls - 28.7m
Half-Life - 27.6m
Power Pros - 23.5m
Mystery Dungeon - 23.18m
Prince of Persia - 20m
Frogger - 20m
J. B. Harold - 20m
Lemmings - 20m
Simple - 20m
Spyro - 20m
Mass Effect - 20m
Watch Dogs - 20m

next we'll rule out franchises that simply are incredibly unlikely to get a character. I know those aren't necessarily failsafe guidelines but do people genuinely think we could get a character from say Mass Effect or Watch Dogs? (Tomb Raider was left due to how successful of a franchise it is making it a sleeper pick, Worms has received several exclusive games through Nintendo, Crash and Sora are heavily requested currently, Namco is pretty close with Nintendo so a Souls rep if Namco got another character would make sense and Nintendo has done special tie ins with Skylanders)
Tomb Raider - 82m
Worms - 75m
Crash Bandicoot - 50m
Kingdom Hearts - 32m
Souls - 28.7m
Spyro - 20m

Nothing to take seriously at all, just thought it'd be fun to narrow down the highest grossing franchises and see who's up there

here is the thing where does online games fit into all of this?
Club Penguin has 330 million users
League of legends has 115 million users
these are huge examples

 

[RileyXY1]

I expect the last fighter to be announced around September, which is where Nintendo always does a fall Direct. I expect this year's Fall Direct to reveal the final Smash Ultimate fighter, unless they want to do it in a standalone presentation instead.

 

[Dr. Jojo Phantasma]

Maybe an ARMS style guessing game for the September direct and then the reveal at TGA.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Maybe an ARMS style guessing game for the September direct and then the reveal at TGA.

If it’s League of Legends, LORD HELP US.

 

[Quick Gaming (QG)]

here is the thing where does online games fit into all of this?
Club Penguin has 330 million users
League of legends has 115 million users
these are huge examples

hmm, hard to say, only reason I didn't include them was because they weren't listed. Wonder where something like Fortnite places

Also I don't get where the idea of a LoL rep came from, did something happen that I'm not aware of?

 

[Staarih]

I would be surprised if we had to wait until TGA for the reveal. I'm betting on a September Direct, it's still "quite a while" away, especially if it's later in the month, the character could release in, like, October.

 

[Gengar84]

here is the thing where does online games fit into all of this?
Club Penguin has 330 million users
League of legends has 115 million users
these are huge examples

Yeah, not to mention games like WarCraft and StarCraft, which I imagine would be pretty high up there as well. Even more so for WarCraft if you include Hearthstone and World of WarCraft. I would think Diablo would jump up a few spots itself.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Sakurai seeing this when he knows we're not getting a Capcom character

But can we get an updated autopsy report?

 

[RileyXY1]

hmm, hard to say, only reason I didn't include them was because they weren't listed. Wonder where something like Fortnite places

Also I don't get where the idea of a LoL rep came from, did something happen that I'm not aware of?

There was a rumor talking about a League of Legends character. It also said that there would be a Mana Spirit Event (which ended up happening) and a Hollow Knight premium Mii with a remix of Sealed Vessel (we still don't have that).

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Here's the thing
That Hollow Knight Mii Costume still hasn't shown up...

 

[Rie Sonomura]

There was a rumor talking about a League of Legends character. It also said that there would be a Mana Spirit Event (which ended up happening) and a Hollow Knight premium Mii with a remix of Sealed Vessel (we still don't have that).

It ALSO predicted LoL spinoff games coming to consoles which came true (Ruined King and CONV/RGENCE, plus the mobile version, Wild Rift, will soon come to consoles too)

Here's the thing
That Hollow Knight Mii Costume still hasn't shown up...

It could be the very last Indie Mii. Though yeah, it’s looking shaky at this point

 

[SNEKeater]

King K. Rool and Ridley would/should never be considered as replaceable/slot stealers, because they each have HUGE decades of legacy spawning from DK and Metroid respectively, where as ARMS really doesn't... That is kind of my whole point is that nobody can convince me that stuff like ARMS has legacy and/or is deserving to be in Smash. As in if the entire Smash Bros Ultimate Roster gets revealed and Min Min isn't there; is the 1st thought on everyone's mind "OMG!! Where is MIN MIN?!" More than likely not. Older and hell even newer players wouldn't wonder where she was lol.

Older fans of Smash as a franchise usually just agree to disagree with newer fans in terms of what characters should and shouldn't be represented. That's always how it is at the end of the day either way.

I don't think you get me.
I didn't say K. Rool and Ridley stole slots. Just that, if you considerar that Min Min, Isabelle, Pyra and Mythra and other characters are "stealing" slots from classic characters (when they're not, btw), then the same goes for Ridley or K. Rool, no matter how much requested they were or the legacy they have. And I wanted both, to clarify.
If you operate with the logic of "if character 1 gets in, that means a slot less and therefore, less chances, for character 2 to get in" then there are no exceptions. With that logic Ridley is "taking" a slot in the roster as much as Min Min does.

This isn't a old fans vs newer fans thing. You can like both sides of the coin. And a Smash game with only old characters would be just boring, no matter how classic or iconic they are.

And the whole deserving thing is just kinda stupid IMO. Because it's not really an objective thing. What is the criteria behind it? Sales? Popularity? Because if it's the first thing, then Pyra/Mythra or Byleth are more "deserving" of being in Smash than Isaac, and if we talk about popularity Isabelle or Incineroar kinda destroy most of the classic fan requests, if not all of them.

I do find it funny that SMTV got more screen time at E3 than BotW2, the game that everyone was banking on, myself included, being Nintendo's big 1-2 punch to win E3..... when arguably, I'd say Dread actually did that.


Like, don't get me wrong, BotW2 news is huge, and by a large margin was Nintendo's 'big' reveal, but it was mainly "Here's a minute of cutscenes/gameplay with zero context, and oh yeah, it maaaaaaay come out next year? We hope?"

Yeah. I wasn't confident in getting a BotW character but after E3, I think it's out of the run.

You already said it but the trailer they had, while cool, was brief and didn't show that much, or at least nothing that could mean something for Smash.
They're not gonna add BotW Link but again even if he has a new arm thingy. We didn't see new character with seemingly big roles. And it's very unlikely we will learn more about the game this year. I doubt it's going to be in the September Direct. Maybe at the Game Awards, but at that point we will be playing with CP11...

SMT V at least feels kinda realizable. The game has been already being developed close to Nintendo due to it's exclusive nature and all the Nintendo marketing behind. And as far as we know DLC fighters take around 6 months. So even if Atlus and Sakurai didn't keep contact that much, I'm pretty sure Atlus already has everything about Nahobino decided when we got the SMT V teaser in August of last year.

 

[RileyXY1]

I would be surprised if we had to wait until TGA for the reveal. I'm betting on a September Direct, it's still "quite a while" away, especially if it's later in the month, the character could release in, like, October.

I can see that. I just can't see them sitting on the character until TGA unless the last fighter's complexity is on par with Steve and Kazuya.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Yeah, but I feel like if that's the case and they want a SMT character... why not choose one that's guaranteed to be a hit?

And who would that be? SMT is still a pretty niche series. It doesn't even have a fraction of Persona's popularity, which itself only became popular recently.

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I'm expecting the final fighter to be a highly requested fighter like Crash Bandicoot, Doomguy, Master Chief or either it doesn't happen due to us Smash fans getting things wrong a lot.

A bit out of date considering 3 of them are already dead.

Also...Ty?

 

[Gengar84]

I think both LoL and Blizzard’s classic IP’s like WarCraft, StarCraft, and Diablo are equally deserving for a spot in Smash. They are all hugely successful games with huge casts of amazing and unique characters that would add a lot to Smash. Each of them would also represent brand new genres never before in Smash. I feel like they are all being seriously overlooked as far as potential characters go.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

It ALSO predicted LoL spinoff games coming to consoles which came true (Ruined King and CONV/RGENCE, plus the mobile version, Wild Rift, will soon come to consoles too)

Even though I'm not a huge LoL fan, I wouldn't mind a character from that game as the final character.
But let me say this:

We had that DmC leaker who got a bunch of stuff concerning that series correct, and then threw in "Dante's coming to Smash" to mess with us.
I'm not saying that LoL leaker did the same thing, but you never know.

 

[Quick Gaming (QG)]

There was a rumor talking about a League of Legends character. It also said that there would be a Mana Spirit Event (which ended up happening) and a Hollow Knight premium Mii with a remix of Sealed Vessel (we still don't have that).

oy vey

for whatever reason, LoL and Blizzard reps, despite those being surprises for sure, just don't sound like characters Nintendo or Sakurai would aim for. Diablo is probably the most likely of the ones mentioned but even then, I go back to the thought of "why would Nintendo want them?". Blizzard in particular seems like a company I can't imagine Nintendo would want to go near due to recent controversy. Maybe a LoL rep I suppose but again I don't see why Nintendo would want that. Not that I wouldn't be interested in seeing how they implement a MOBA character of course, just wondering why they'd go with that

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Even though I'm not a huge LoL fan, I wouldn't mind a character from that game as the final character.
But let me say this:

We had that DmC leaker who got a bunch of stuff concerning that series correct, and then threw in "Dante's coming to Smash" to mess with us.
I'm not saying that LoL leaker did the same thing, but you never know.

The LoL leaker included other Smash info the Dante leaker didn’t, but fair

there’s also a chance the Falcom leaker got legit Falcom game info and threw in Smash just to get more attention

 

[DarthEnderX]

That's like... Other M tier writing...

I mean, it's technically also Fusion-tier writing. Where a human corp was doing experiments to create "totally safe Metroids".