Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[ZelDan]

As someone who's never played Bayonetta, I genuinely can't tell if you're referring to her, Gene, or Rodon.

I would be referring to Jeanne.

Which, now that I think about it, she wouldn't exactly be impossible as CP11, and could maybe even work as a promo rep if things line up just right with Bayonetta 3, and while Jeanne has generally been seen as echo material, she could theoretically have a unique moveset. Granted, with how ??? Bayonetta 3 is I don't know about the "promo" part panning out.

that said, it would be funny if after ending on FE again with FP1, we actually end on bayonetta again with FP2. It'd be like if that final Smash 4 presentation was split in 2.

 

[SKX31]

What on Earth is this and why is it the funniest thing I've seen all day?

Google image searched it, and it's a photoshopped version of this banner SEGA hung up at E3 2001 to promote SA2 (suspected that's the case since that's Shadow's SA2 render):

Time for #ThrowbackThursday, all the way back to 2001 when #E3 happened in May and not June. SEGA put up this MASSIVE Shadow banner outside the LACC to promote Sonic Adventure 2. Check it out! #TBThttps://t.co/i8sA82UTxB pic.twitter.com/jyE2xN6h0H

— Sonic Stadium ✪ Sonic News & Community (@sonicstadium) June 6, 2019

(Still though, the photoshopped version is much better than the original.)

 

[Inferno7]

I would be referring to Jeanne.

Which, now that I think about it, she wouldn't exactly be impossible as CP11, and could maybe even work as a promo rep if things line up just right with Bayonetta 3, and while Jeanne has generally been seen as echo material, she could theoretically have a unique moveset. Granted, with how ??? Bayonetta 3 is I don't know about the "promo" part panning out.

that said, it would be funny if after ending on FE again with FP1, we actually end on bayonetta again with FP2. It'd be like if that final Smash 4 presentation was split in 2.

I wouldn't complain tbh

About this game's ending, I just noticed something:
Ken & Incineroar -> Final base game characters. Fighting game rep and a Pokémon respectively.
Kazuya & ??? -> oh no...

jk tho, I don't think we'll get another mon but just food for thought

 

[Technomage]

I wouldn't complain tbh

About this game's ending, I just noticed something:
Ken & Incineroar -> Final base game characters. Fighting game rep and a Pokémon respectively.
Kazuya & ??? -> oh no...

jk tho, I don't think we'll get another mon but just food for thought

As long as it's not another starter, I'd be A-okay with that.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I would be referring to Jeanne.

Jeanne

Jeanne

Oops...

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Verge's situation is kind of odd. He never literally said the Champions were coming to Smash. He made a dumb joke that was easy to interpret as that. Keep in mind I do think it was meant to be a hint, and that he's backpedaling.

However, he's also about being honest. I can actually believe he was trolling with that statement(instead of actually lying). Though what we also see is he got a bad source and couldn't contact his main source, allegedly.

Frankly, while I do somewhat believe he wasn't trying to leak the Champions, the fact he got another bad source and still went in means he's no longer credible. So more or less my way of respecting the user but refuse to take his leaks seriously(Smash Ultimate-wise. Who knows on other games. Gotta wait and see).

He shouldn't have made that dumb joke(assuming for even a split second it wasn't his bad source giving leak information instead) either way. Just like people have done with Sakurai, people take things leakers say seriously, even if they're jokes. So it was just a bad idea all around. I'm not going to really give him the benefit of the doubt, but I can consider the possibility he was only leaking one character(which is still wrong, so as I said, thumbs down to his credibility).

 

[Perkilator]

Ironically... Shadow doesn't wear any pants. He pees where he pleases and he'll shoot you if you don't let him

Even on Robotnik's wife

 

[cashregister9]

I just don't think we should put that much faith into leakers in general, Anyone can make an assumption or list of guesses and if it's wrong end it off with "It was a Joke" or "My source was bad" or the other one of "No one would believe me"

 

[MattX20]

I trust more my own speculation than general leaks these days. The stuff the game already has like the last empty spot that will remain in the music test menu next week for example are more of a proper clue to look into than 4chan leaks or Resetera posts as both haven proven to be very unreliable

 

[Captain Shwampy]

Alex Kidd's remake coming out the same day when everyone is only talking about Sonic's birthday is extremely funny and poetic

 

[Shroob]

I trust more my own speculation than general leaks these days. The stuff the game already has like the last empty spot that will remain in the music test menu next week for example are more of a proper clue to look into than 4chan leaks or Resetera posts as both haven proven to be very unreliable

I don't doubt that CP11 is probably from a new series, but I just cannot take this menu as a "hint".


This would imply that before the game came out they had already planned for exactly 8 new franchises to be added in as DLC so the menu would become a perfect rectangle when everything is finished, which just seems illogical.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Black and Red is just a really damn strong aesthetic. Though to be fair Black goes well with a lot of other colours

Black with Gold trim! That is the way!

 

[GoodGrief741]

Black with Gold trim! That is the way!

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Why am I not surprised that you favor dark colors?

 

[MattX20]

I don't doubt that CP11 is probably from a new series, but I just cannot take this menu as a "hint".


This would imply that before the game came out they had already planned for exactly 8 new franchises to be added in as DLC so the menu would become a perfect rectangle when everything is finished, which just seems illogical.

I never said it had to be a new IP that was never in Smash before. It could be an IP that's already in Smash that doesn't have a playable character. Shantae, Famicom Detective Club, Rhythm Heaven, and Rayman fall into this category

 

[Technomage]

For those interested, the one and only Delzethin has made an analysis on Kazuya's moveset:

 

[Shroob]

I never said it had to be a new IP that was never in Smash before. It could be an IP that's already in Smash that doesn't have a playable character. Shantae, Famicom Detective Club, Rhythm Heaven, and Rayman fall into this category

That doesn't really change what I'm saying though, like, at all. It's still a series which would need a "new" music menu spot.

The point is that this theory relies on the thought process that Sakurai and the team built this menu with all future DLC in mind before the game came out, when, afaik, FP2 was only finalized in mid 2019.

 

[MattX20]

For those interested, the one and only Delzethin has made an analysis on Kazuya's moveset:

I've seen it and it's quite solid

 

[DarthEnderX]

Why am I not surprised that you favor dark colors?

I dunno, ask Vespero Vendetta, the BLOOOD ELF SHADOWBLADE!!

cue metal

 

[MattX20]

That doesn't really change what I'm saying though, like, at all. It's still a series which would need a "new" music menu spot.

The point is that this theory relies on the thought process that Sakurai and the team built this menu with all future DLC in mind before the game came out, when, afaik, FP2 was only finalized in mid 2019.

And? Why is the idea of just the music menu being filled out such an impossibility here? The stage and character select screen will not be even that much is true, but that doesn't mean that it's necessarily true for the music menu as well. Plus, there's nothing that says we couldn't get a rep from a new IP to close off Ultimate's DLC. It will likely end on a lower key character and I expect it to be someone not genre defining like Crash or Master Chief.

 

[Shroob]

And? Why is the idea of just the music menu being filled out such an impossibility here? The stage and character select screen will not be even that much is true, but that doesn't mean that it's necessarily true for the music menu as well. Plus, there's nothing that says we couldn't get a rep from a new IP to close off Ultimate's DLC. It will likely end on a lower key character and I expect it to be someone not genre defining like Crash or Master Chief.

I mean, I'm not saying it can't happen. In fact, I expect us to get a series which will need its own section added.


But I am saying that an incomplete menu isn't solid evidence.


Like you said, the Stage Select Screen will be missing 3 spots on it, why is this not important but the music menu is?


Smash menus have never been perfectly squared off, and trying to apply logic to it doesn't really offer much.



If it happens, it's not really a hint as much as it is a happy coincidence.

 

[Guynamednelson]

And? Why is the idea of just the music menu being filled out such an impossibility here? The stage and character select screen will not be even that much is true, but that doesn't mean that it's necessarily true for the music menu as well. Plus, there's nothing that says we couldn't get a rep from a new IP to close off Ultimate's DLC. It will likely end on a lower key character and I expect it to be someone not genre defining like Crash or Master Chief.

There's plenty of reasons to expect a character from a series that doesn't have a fighter. One particular menu is not one.

 

[Shroob]

Like, by this same logic, the Character voice menu won't have any spots left after Kazuya is added. Does this mean that CP11 will be mute?


I mean, sure, it could, but they could also... just add another row?

 

[MattX20]

I mean, I'm not saying it can't happen. In fact, I expect us to get a series which will need its own section added.


But I am saying that an incomplete menu isn't solid evidence.


Like you said, the Stage Select Screen will be missing 3 spots on it, why is this not important but the music menu is?


Smash menus have never been perfectly squared off, and trying to apply logic to it doesn't really offer much.



If it happens, it's not really a hint as much as it is a happy coincidence.

At any rate, we'll likely find out who FP11 is no later than the September general Direct

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

What on Earth is this and why is it the funniest thing I've seen all day?

Imagine getting paid and working with a team of people for months on end specifically to achieve the goal of hanging a Massive Picture of Shadow the Hedgehog telling the masses to “Pee Your Pants.”

 

[MattX20]

I've seen some people try to use this interview to try to deconfirm Shantae's chances for Ultimate's DLC even though people can lie and have under an NDA (remember that Grant Kirkhope said not to get your hopes up, and Banjo was confirmed later). https://www.siliconera.com/shantae-...antaes-past-present-and-future-shantae-anime/

 

[Shroob]

Something to note, but if we are getting 6 Mii costumes, then that probably confirms we're not getting the boss arena as a stand-alone stage lol.


Granted, if we get less than 6 Mii outfits, then it's possible.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Something to note, but if we are getting 6 Mii costumes, then that probably confirms we're not getting the boss arena as a stand-alone stage lol.


Granted, if we get less than 6 Mii outfits, then it's possible.

What do Mii Costumes have to do with stages?

 

[Shroob]

What do Mii Costumes have to do with stages?

The patch's notification spaces have been "datamined" already.


Every patch has a certain amount of stuff that's guaranteed to be included, but we roughly have 6 "free spaces". These could be Mii costumes, the most likely scenario, bonus spirits, or the least likely, a stage.

 

[MattX20]

Something to note, but if we are getting 6 Mii costumes, then that probably confirms we're not getting the boss arena as a stand-alone stage lol.


Granted, if we get less than 6 Mii outfits, then it's possible.

The data I've seen pretty much confirms 6 costumes are on the way.

 

[Shroob]

The data I've seen pretty much confirms 6 costumes are on the way. View attachment 320399

To be be fair, those don't have to be 100% Mii costumes. They could be like the Sophia/Arthur spirit offers we got in the Pythra patch.


But yes, Mii costumes are the most likely scenario.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

The patch's notification spaces have been "datamined" already.


Every patch has a certain amount of stuff that's guaranteed to be included, but we roughly have 6 "free spaces". These could be Mii costumes, the most likely scenario, bonus spirits, or the least likely, a stage.

I mean, didn't we only get 2 of those for Sephiroth, sending everyone and their mother into a panic?

Wow mans really waited TWO WEEKS to make an excuse

let me say it louder for the people in the back

#VergebenIsOverParty

I don't know what I think is funnier, you loudly and proudly claiming it took 2 weeks for a response when it had only been a single week or 12 people missing that and hitting like

 

[Shroob]

I mean, didn't we only get 2 of those for Sephiroth, sending everyone and their mother into a panic?

That was because Sephiroth's patch was cut into 2 patches.

We can probably assume that Kazuya and all the content associated with him are coming the day of.

 

[Ivander]

I don't know what I think is funnier, you loudly and proudly claiming it took 2 weeks for a response when it had only been a single week or 12 people missing that and hitting like

I mean, a person is smart, but people are dumb. Why else are we capable of independent speculation and thinking about possibility as a person, but not when we are a group where we point out the same thing over and over?

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Black with Gold trim! That is the way!



View attachment 320393

Why am I not surprised that you favor dark colors?

But of course, he's a member of the Sith, the dark side of the force is what gives him strength.

 

[SNEKeater]

Cool article about our beloved Terry

Nobody in fighting games has had the longevity of Fatal Fuy’s Terry Bogard, who has appeared in over 80 games since 1991. Let's take a look at one of the most influential fighting game legends. https://t.co/DmmTr8twl2 pic.twitter.com/Xv8FF0vinp

— IGN (@IGN) June 23, 2021

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Okay, after reviewing the footage tons of times and looking over the way Tekken works. I have come to the following conclusions about Kazuya.

Moveset Stuff

-Devils Form is Purely Aesthetic. Seeing as of all ~30 moves we’ve seen, there is not a single example of overlapping Devil and Regular moves. As well, all Devil moves have a big impact or make use of the added abilities (ie Smashes, Wings for Double Jump and Up Special, Lazar beam for Neutral Special)

-Tekken Rage is a powerup Kazuya gets after reaching a certain percent. It at least gives access to a one use per stock hyper move which I think is called Heavens Door. And if it works the same as Tekken it should boost his attack.

-Kazuya does NOT have punch and kick buttons, as he has a full list of specials (A Min Min style Jump for Up B, Lazer Beam for Neutral Special, A Side B burst option that crumples opponents (seen at 1:25), and I think if he uses Down Special on Ground he crouches (more on that in a sec), if used in the air he instead uses Devils Scissors.)

-Kazuya has a crouch mechanic giving him a small list of moves to play around with. And may be the only character in the game with an actually useful wavedash.

-Kazuya has a Back Tilt and Diagonal Inputs. This allows for the crazy amount of moves we’ve seen.

-Kazuya’s combo attacks likely stem from inputs that are continually built upon. I guess they are standard fighting game inputs that need timed presses to keep going.

-Unlike Terry and Ryu, Kazuya can NOT cancel any attacks into others. They must be organically built to lead into each other.

- Like Ryu and Terry, his jump isn’t very useful. Though thankfully Up Special (Seen at 1:29) looks good for recovery.

-Electric Wind God Fist is missing so far. Though if I had to guess it’s a secret just like it was in earlier Tekken games till 7.

All of this makes me 100% sure that Kazuya is the most complex character in the game. By a HUGE margin.

Other Stuff

-The Tekken Announcer does seem to voice Kazuya’s victory screen. You probably already know this, but I spent so long hearing it I felt the need to bring it up. It is possible they also voice his CSS.

-Kazuya’s full list of Alts has not been shown off. If I may, there is a small chance Jin is an alt the team has saved for a surprise. Though he is more than likely a mii and/or spirit.

This took hours of work. I am confident that I maybe have this right.

 

[MattX20]

So, if Phoenix Wright turns out to be the last fighter for Ultimate, would you be okay with it? I've been in a bit of a debate on a Discord server over whether or not he or Dante are more likely, the most I've gotten from the Dante side is just the recent Switch ports (only one of which has any new content) over the longer, more substantial history of the Ace Attorney series on Nintendo consoles.

 

[Gengar84]

So, if Phoenix Wright turns out to be the last fighter for Ultimate, would you be okay with it? I've been in a bit of a debate on a Discord server over whether or not he or Dante are more likely, the most I've gotten from the Dante side is just the recent Switch ports (only one of which has any new content) over the longer, more substantial history of the Ace Attorney series on Nintendo consoles.

He’s not really one of my most wanted but I’d be okay with just about anyone. Phoenix could be pretty funny judging by his portrayal in Marvel vs Capcom.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

So, if Phoenix Wright turns out to be the last fighter for Ultimate, would you be okay with it? I've been in a bit of a debate on a Discord server over whether or not he or Dante are more likely, the most I've gotten from the Dante side is just the recent Switch ports (only one of which has any new content) over the longer, more substantial history of the Ace Attorney series on Nintendo consoles.

I’ll take it, i like the AA series, loved how he played in UMvC3

and PXZ2 will be even MORE canon to Smash

 

[Shroob]

So, if Phoenix Wright turns out to be the last fighter for Ultimate, would you be okay with it? I've been in a bit of a debate on a Discord server over whether or not he or Dante are more likely, the most I've gotten from the Dante side is just the recent Switch ports (only one of which has any new content) over the longer, more substantial history of the Ace Attorney series on Nintendo consoles.

I really doubt legacy on a Nintendo console matters in the end tbh.


Regardless, yes, I'd be cool with it, I like Wright.