Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[drewber2635]

Anyone else think we should have gotten the Kingdom Hearts costumes for Cloud and Sephiroth added? Also, would SE be allowed to do that? I mean they own those characters, but they appeared like that in KH only..hmmm

 

[TheCJBrine]

Regarding the Chun-Li thing... I'm gonna dig this out of the Geno thread, purely to be a BUTT of a man.





The important passage from Xenother here is "I don't think she was replaced by Ken. What I was told is that they wanted her for the base game, but had to scrap the idea because they couldn't get together a moveset that they were satisfied with in time."


So his opinion here is that Ken DIDN'T replace Chun-li, she just ran out of time to decide what she wanted to do in Smash... which ties in quite nicely with the idea that she could be back on the table post-Sephiroth. This whole quote from Xenother (or rather whoever they were talkin to) lines up nicely with our little Chun-leak here: was considered, put on the backburner because they couldn't get a moveset together in time.... MIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT be back on the table, question mark?

Give me Chunny, any day. Chunny's deserving. Especially if she has her Alpha look as an alt in addition to the usual look. And a bunch of Street Fighter 3 and on music... YES. Do it.

So Xenother has heard things that tie into this “leak”?

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

The main thing that has me very doubtful of Monster Hunter's chances is precisely just how well things appear to be lining up for them. It makes just a little too much sense for me to really think it'll go down that way.

It makes sense. And Nintendo never makes sense. Therefore.

it’s Waluigi

 

[Momotsuki]

I kind of struggle with the idea of Chun-li of, all characters, having to be scrapped due to moveset implimentation issues, of all things. That doesn't check out.

 

[Arcanir]

I know, but what I'm saying is Lloyd absenced is bigger because not only has his Mii costume haven't return but he didn't appear in base game in any form either.

Let me put this into better prospective:

- K. Rool, Inkling, Chrom, and Isabelle get promoted to playable status in base game.

- Rathalos get's promoted to a boss.

- Zero, Skull Kid, Ashley, Knuckles, and Guile appears as Assist Trophies.

- Tails and Virdi are still backstage cameos.

- Heihachi and Gil appear as cameo figures in Pac-Man's taunt.

- Other characters I can't remember that were also Smash 4 Mii costumes are Spirits.

Lloyd is the only one missing that didn't get anything in Ultimate whatsoever.

This is Chocobo erasure and I will not stand for it.

But jokes aside, it should be noted that most of these were already present in the previous game. Of the ones you mentioned, Skull Kid and Ashley were already ATs previously, Tails and Viridi were already stage cameos (though you already note that), and Gil was already in Pac-Man's taunt. So we have to keep in mind that a number of these were carryovers from the previous game rather then an absence that was filled in the future.

Also, a nitpick, but Guile didn't appear in Smash 4 and the armor=/=Rathalos as that's the Hunter.

I'm going to throw out that "leak" for the only basis that no pass were planned beside FP1 at the time, the success for FP1 is what lead to FP2 and the legal discussion for Steve started since 2015... but I'm pretty sure that it was when negociating for the FP2 that those years of waiting finally came to fruition.

I don't see Steve at all being worked, then scraped or "disappearing" like that.

This does actually bring up something I've been thinking about.

If they did happen to get the rights for Steve back with the beginning of the base game's development, would it make sense for Nintendo/Sakurai to have started work on Steve, dropped him, but then sat on him and those rights instead of immediately trying to work on the character for FP1 a la Hero? While there may've been thoughts of having a FP2, it wasn't a sure thing for Nintendo as we know from Imran that they only went forward after seeing the success of Ultimate after release. FP1 was already pegged in November which means all five characters would've been set before then and yet Steve wasn't among them. If Steve was already worked on and they had the rights on hand, then there would be good reason to believe they'd prioritize him since otherwise they'd risk wasting both the rights they've acquired and the resources they already have put into the character.

Another thing is that we know that Banjo was a product of the ongoing discussions from Steve and it started a year before his release. If they were already working on Steve then would they have prioritized Banjo, a character who they would need to get separate rights for and build from scratch, over a character that they already had some work put into?

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Anyone else think we should have gotten the Kingdom Hearts costumes for Cloud and Sephiroth added? Also, would SE be allowed to do that? I mean they own those characters, but they appeared like that in KH only..hmmm

OH you mean the KH version of Cloud and Sephiroth.How did I look over that Yeah, not sure why those designs didnt get costumes which sucks because, ****, they are cool

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Nah. Those are just really good guessers.

You can tell me that. But I'm not going to take a random guy from the internet's word that all random guys on the internet aren't fake.

The ESRB are great guessers.

The ESRB wasn’t something that was guessed. It was literal footage of Smash 3DS that showed unrevealed content, and was corroborated when Shulk’s official render matched that of the footage. It’s undeniably real.

In terms of me getting information, sure I could be lying about it...but there are other users on this site who could back this up...and I mean, really, why would I lie about this? To a random dude on the internet to prove a point that...really has no effect on my existence as I know it?

There is proof in front of you that leaks exist. I don’t really understand how you can argue they don’t. Outside of Smash, another example would be that cutscenes of The Last of Us 2 leaked prior to release. Those are 100% real, as they match the released content and was publicly addressed by Sony and Naughty Dog.

I just think if the debate is:

a) anybody who leaks something is just a lucky guesser, among the luckiest guessers alive and leaks never happen, or completely faked content

or

b) leaks happen sometimes, but like, <1% of internet “leaks” are real.

Then it’s far, FAR more obvious that b is correct when there is actual evidence out there to prove that they have happened, exist, and will continue to happen in the industry.

I can understand thinking they’re mostly bull****, because they are. But to rule them all out for no quantifiable reason is...strange, if I’m being honest. It’s measurable, provable, so claiming the opposite is just denying reality.

I mean no disrespect there, but that’s the truth of it.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I kind of struggle with the idea of Chun-li of, all characters, having to be scrapped due to moveset implimentation issues, of all things. That doesn't check out.

I was gonna say that but I didn’t want to be the guy. So, you can be the guy/girl/person.

For real though, I’m not sure if Chun-li was scrapped because a moveset couldn’t get figured out. If you look age her moves from MvC or Street Fighter it really isn’t that hard to put it together. I’m sure Sakurai could’ve put one together if we could. It might’ve just been that Sakurai didn’t think her moveset could be interesting enough.

 

[Momotsuki]

We know Steve was development hell. Wouldn't surprise me if they were putting him off because they didn't want the first pass to have such a hitch like this one did, with how the first pass ended up potentially determining the future of the game's life cycle. Even without COVID-19, the Min Min-Steve downtime probably would've still occurred, if maybe having been a wee tad shorter.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Chun-Li, if she was scrapped, was probably scrapped because of timing, not so much that they couldn’t come up with something entirely. That said, I’ve heard she has a charging mechanic that may be complicated to translate to Smash properly.

Ken is much easier to create than a full on New Street Fighter newcomer, I would assume. The time saved most likely played a role in that decision, if it were made.

 

[Momotsuki]

I was gonna say that but I didn’t want to be the guy. So, you can be the guy/girl/person.

For real though, I’m not sure if Chun-li was scrapped because a moveset couldn’t get figured out. If you look age her moves from MvC or Street Fighter it really isn’t that hard to put it together. I’m sure Sakurai could’ve put one together if we could. It might’ve just been that Sakurai didn’t think her moveset could be interesting enough.

Worry not, I can be the guy, girl, and person if such is ever needed.
I agree with Scoliosis Jones in that if she was scrapped, time constraints are the only real reason I can think of. Sakurai and his team have proven they can make almost anything work, but there's not always going to be the time and resources to do it. I could totally see her being DLC, and while not my first Capcom choice, I've nothing against it.

 

[UltimateCyborgOverlord]

So Xenother has heard things that tie into this “leak”?

Well the whole thing ties into a discussion we were having about a rather infamous 4Chan post regarding a list of characters chucked around at Nintendo as "maybes". 4chan post going "I know a guy at Bandai Namco and they tossed around about 40 names for DLC, not sure who they actually picked." Sans Min Min (who MAY have been a special request from Nintendo question mark), every dlc fighter so far has been on this list, even Terry and Sephiroth.

Xenother... KINDA corroborated it?

Generally, this hits on most of the names that I heard around that time, with a bunch that never reached my ears.

There are a few missing, for example:
Dante, Melmetal, and Katalina were all prototyped but scrapped.
Geno was on the Square Enix list.
Edelgaard did get some consideration.
Bandana Waddle Dee, Sylux, Slime, Dovakhiin, and the protagonist character of Little Town Hero were all names I heard at some point, but I have doubts about their legitimacy.

Dante is an interesting case because there was some confusion around whether he was only scrapped for the base game and if there was a chance for work to pick back up on him for DLC.

This list could be legitimate, but I'd err on the side of it being a really lucky guess (although there are some names on there that are pretty surprising guesses).

Needless to say, this whole "4chan list" has been a bit of a barfight whenever it's brought up. You get people going "THIS WOULDN'T EVER EXIST YOU MANIACAL BULLDOG! There's no list!" and you get people going "Well, Sakurai has said that Nintendo picks the characters and he can veto em or whatever, perhaps this list is part of the process before it's presented to Sakurai?"

And it gets a bit more heated from there. Was not a pleasant time. 0/10, would not recommend. But for what it's worth, Chun-li, Lloyd and Yuri are all three on that list soooooooooooooo.... you can use pies to horribly scar each other's ribs over that if you wish. I don't know how you'll do that, but I'm sure a way can be found.



Aaaaaaaaaaaaanyhow, where the Chun-li bit came in is because I only remembered Xenother from GameFAQs saying something about Chun-li and I had thought that Ken replaced her or that's what he had said, so I asked him and it resulted in that comment I shared before of him saying the whole "they couldn't finalize a moveset in time so she was tabled" thing.... I'm a bit confused about that like... I feel like that would beg more questions on my part, but hey, I also haven't programmed a game so there's that.

Just dropping it into the pot of discussion. Gives us stuff to talk about with our friends like "hey, I think them rats gettin big! There's somethin rotten here, you better hold your noose"

 

[Louie G.]

I kind of struggle with the idea of Chun-li of, all characters, having to be scrapped due to moveset implimentation issues, of all things. That doesn't check out.

I agree with this which is why I feel like, if Xenother's information was legitimate + this recent leak stacks up in any capacity, he probably just got that part wrong. It's easy to imagine that through various sources the story might get twisted and what could have been speculation on one person's part could be interpreted as fact down the telephone. I know it sounds like I'm giving them an easy out, but with minor details having been inaccurate through even the most reliable of leakers (Vergeben saying Isabelle would be an echo fighter) it's not out of the question to imagine some things getting mixed up.

I find it very intriguing that the 5ch leak was ahead on a lot of info and speculation that would come to be the norm over two years later, plus the fact that Xenother had mentioned Chun-Li that long ago in addition to what we already know about Steve's lengthy "talks" + the "Square Seven"... I feel like I'm coming to believe this rumor, but that also doesn't guarantee that everything they lay out here will happen. Some things are bound to get scrapped and stay scrapped. So at the end of the day we may not ever know if it was real or not, or whatever happened to Chunners or the Tales characters.

I'm really hoping it does bode well for Chun-Li though. I feel like she's a character who would be able to sell herself regardless of being tied to an already represented series - everyone knows Chun-Li and would recognize this as a big deal. She easily stands on her own (IMO probably the single most significant character absent from the roster).

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Chun-Li, if she was scrapped, was probably scrapped because of timing, not so much that they couldn’t come up with something entirely. That said, I’ve heard she has a charging mechanic that may be complicated to translate to Smash properly.

Ken is much easier to create than a full on New Street Fighter newcomer, I would assume. The time saved most likely played a role in that decision, if it were made.

Not really the only problem is Kikoken and that was hold to punch. In other games it was just made a Half-circle forward. And spinning bird kick is the same input as Terry’s Rising Tackle: Hold to kick which is present in that exact form with hold to (or ) in Terry’s moveset in Smash.

 

[Nemuresu]

Chun-Li, if she was scrapped, was probably scrapped because of timing, not so much that they couldn’t come up with something entirely. That said, I’ve heard she has a charging mechanic that may be complicated to translate to Smash properly.

Ken is much easier to create than a full on New Street Fighter newcomer, I would assume. The time saved most likely played a role in that decision, if it were made.

That varies, actually. Sometimes she has nothing but charge moves (SFA series and essentially, most of the mainline Street Fighters titles), and other times she uses half and quarters circles, which are more in line with what Smash can do (like in the Vs. Series, which Smash already takes notes from).

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

So somebody give me some background on this leak. Why are we talking about Chun-li all of a sudden?

 

[7NATOR]

Reading all the rumors and Leaks

I Wouldn't be surprised if a Major reason Fighter Pass 2 exists is because Negotiations for a majority of characters in FP2 were already in Progress/Done before the pass was Greenlit

Most of the Content in Fighter Pass 2 is from companies that are already in Smash, with the exceptions being Bethesda, Arc System Works, and the people that made Warframe.

Bethesda talked to Nintendo around E3 2018, and Arc Systems works and Warframe just have spirits (at the moment at least)

But beyond those, All of the content is coming from Companies that were represented in Base Roster and Fighter Pass 1, which All were planned from the Start. I'm going to guess that when Nintendo reached out to all the Companies represented to have their characters comeback, or bring in newcomers from those Companies, there were negotiations and talks for all sorts of Characters

Like when they though of bringing Cloud back, there were discussions on Dragon Quest Heroes, Sephiroth, Geno, Chrono, Sora, etc

or With Capcom, there was Ken, Chun-Li, Resident Evil Character, Dante, Monster Hunter, Phoenix, etc

and more

Negotiating with a New company for a Full on Playable Character takes alot of time I would say. Mii Costumes and especially Spirits are much easier since there nowhere as much to stuff to represent as with a Playable Character.

If they already had Progress in Negotiations for Certain characters by the time Base roster and FP1 was decided, they could go on and finish it to get more money from Smash players and the like

 

[toonito]

I kind of struggle with the idea of Chun-li of, all characters, having to be scrapped due to moveset implimentation issues, of all things. That doesn't check out.

If I had to hazard a guess moveset issues for Chun-Li I think the issue might be with her would-be neutral (Kikoken) and Side Specials (Spinning Bird Kick). Traditionally, these moves are charge moves (press back then forward and punch/kick; same type of input as Terry's Rising Tackle). Due to Auto-Turn this wouldn't be an issue but Auto-Turn only applies to 1-on-1 matches: free for alls would be difficult as inputting back would turn Chun-Li around.

I see 2 possible workarounds for this:

change those specials to command inputs (Hadoken/Tatsu style) or
instead of back then forward have those specials use either down back (diagonal) or down then forward

If Sakurai and the team aren't willing to slightly alter the charge input then FG characters with back-forward charge inputs may also be less likely to appear in Smash. Back-Forward Charge moves as well as Tekken's limb system may be barriers to entry for Smash.

 

[Arcanir]

We know Steve was development hell. Wouldn't surprise me if they were putting him off because they didn't want the first pass to have such a hitch like this one did. Even without COVID-19, the Min Min-Steve downtime probably would've still occurred, if maybe having been a wee tad shorter.

The Min-Min to Steve gap was on the longer side, but it actually wasn't that much more of a hitch then the Joker to Hero gap as the former only beat the latter by about two days. Take into account that COVID did cause some reshuffling and data shows Steve was withheld for a while (likely for Mimecon) and it's possible that he may've finished and released even earlier if circumstances allowed.

Still, it's a question of whether it'd be feasible business and development-wise to just sit on a character like Steve for that long. I can't pretend to know how things go once you secure the rights for characters and started work, but a part of me would feel that like Hero they'd be a priority to make use of if that was already in play. Especially in terms of a character like Steve since Minecraft is so big as a franchise and would be bound to be another pass seller as a result.

 

[dezeray112]

I have to say, having Smash characters to look forward to and discuss is a nice point of consistency to have in life, especially in these times where the virus mutated and now the UK's on super lockdown.

Same here. Speculating who the next character is someting that I am always eager to anticipate during this difficult time.

 

[XorahnGaia]

So somebody give me some background on this leak. Why are we talking about Chun-li all of a sudden?

Basically, back in 2018 there was this post on 5chan that talked a little bit about what was happening behind the scene for the Fighter Pass.
The important bit right now is that he said that characters like Sephiroth, Steve, Chun-li and Lloyd/Yuri were all considered at some point but were scrapped for a reason or another.
Since we just got both Sephiroth and Steve, coupled with the fact that Steve's negotiations have allegedly been going on for 5 years and that a common theme of FP2 seems to be to back to previously scrapped ideas, some are begging to wonder if the development team could also come back to Chun and the Tales of boys.
The leak doesn't outright say that we're getting either of them, but it's an interesting scenario to consider nonetheless.

 

[Nemuresu]

So somebody give me some background on this leak. Why are we talking about Chun-li all of a sudden?

TL;DR: Some old leaks from before Nintendo got hard on them pointed out to several scrapped characters, more specifically, it pointed towards Hero, Steve, Sephiroth, Sora, Chun-Li, Lloyd Irving and Yuri Lowell being scrapped from Ultimate. Since half of them are now DLC characters, it's possible Nintendo may be re-taking scrapped/delayed ideas from before.

 

[SirBillyBob]

Since this thread is still fairly fresh, I just wanted to remind people that a leak is info that is actually real, while a rumour is unconfirmed info. But then again, we still use deconfirm instead of disconfirm.

 

[UltimateCyborgOverlord]

So somebody give me some background on this leak. Why are we talking about Chun-li all of a sudden?

It all started with this big bad 5ch leak from shortly after base Ultimate (December 19 2018 to be precise) was released that had a buncha supposed info

Official - Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

Alright how about a game? Let's say there is a third fighters pass just for the sake of filling up the spaces so you only get three fighters and 1 individual fighter who doesn't have the other stuff like a stage, music or spirit board. Which characters would you pick? What stage would they...

smashboards.com

You can (and should) read that there. For whatever reason, the site won't let me quote it.

Of particular note, it claims knowledge of Minecraft Steve (default Minecraft guy) and Sephiroth and "the Sora Situation" and all that and this was posted like, when the game first came out, not like the other day. Also to the dismay of some, a description of their perception of Geno's Smash requests which has been a bit of a discussion to say the least.

But the relevant paragraph reads "I'm pretty sure they were developing Erdrick, and the default guy(?) from Minecraft was there too, with his actual working model, as one of the thrid party reps. But he's gone too idk.
I don't know, Chun-Li was there, but somehow replaced with Ken. Bamco had both Symphonia and Vesperia protagonists in the planning stages, but they're not here as well. "



And THAT started the Chun-li thing. I just remembered that Xenother brought up Chun-li too when we were discussing a SEPARATE, and rather infamous, 4Chan post (from May 31st 2019) claiming to have a list of the 40-ish names thrown about when discussing potential DLC characters, though not knowing which ones made it in for real. Barring Min Min (we can go back and forth on whether she was a special request from Nintendo or not), every DLC fighter so far has appeared on this list and (relevent to current conversation) so do Chun-li, Lloyd and Yuri. Xenother was able to say that this list "hit on most of the names I heard around that time", and that quote is here (i already posted it before, but I'm gonna do it again because I'm a butt) :

Generally, this hits on most of the names that I heard around that time, with a bunch that never reached my ears.

There are a few missing, for example:
Dante, Melmetal, and Katalina were all prototyped but scrapped.
Geno was on the Square Enix list.
Edelgaard did get some consideration.
Bandana Waddle Dee, Sylux, Slime, Dovakhiin, and the protagonist character of Little Town Hero were all names I heard at some point, but I have doubts about their legitimacy.

Dante is an interesting case because there was some confusion around whether he was only scrapped for the base game and if there was a chance for work to pick back up on him for DLC.

This list could be legitimate, but I'd err on the side of it being a really lucky guess (although there are some names on there that are pretty surprising guesses).

Is it real, is it a big fat phony like the guy from Family Guy keeps yelling about? Who knows at this point.

Xenother also claimed to have heard something suggesting Chun-li was NOT "replaced" by Ken but rather they couldn't decide on a moveset in time. THAT is being discussed right now. Was that the case? Did a game of telephone get some info wrong? Who knows, but it weirdly matches the 5chan post.

But both things concern "pre-release or shortly after" supposed info.

And that's where we are right now.

 

[SharkLord]

So somebody give me some background on this leak. Why are we talking about Chun-li all of a sudden?

The short version is that it listed a bunch of characters who were supposedly dropped. This list includes Steve, Sephiroth, and Erdrick, who we already have, as well as Chun-Li, Lloyd, and Yuri, who we obviously don't. Said "leak" was made about ten days after SSBU released.

The long version is summarized in my signature, so you can go and check it out there if you need a more in-depth explanation.

 

[UltimateCyborgOverlord]

I think NonSpecificGuy might have gotten the picture haha we mass Greninja'd each other hahahaha

But yeah, I'd be down for Chun-li, having her come with two alts (standard look and Alpha look), come with a buncha Street Fighter 3, Alpha 1/2/3, maybe even IV/V music and spirits on top of her being a gaming icon, I'd be down for it.


Meanwhile, we've got Zack Snyder's "Lloyd v. Yuri: Dawn of Justice" happening and being someone who knows jack-all about Tales of whatever, I'm just the guy with the popcorn watching it play out.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

New interview of Miyamoto.

“That’s the core of Nintendo’s work: to bring smiles to players’ faces,” the designer Shigeru Miyamoto says, in a rare interview. “So I don’t have any regrets. If anything, I wish I could have provided more cheer, more laughter.” https://t.co/4EnNayBEsV

— The New Yorker (@NewYorker) December 20, 2020

 

[SirBillyBob]

New interview of Miyamoto.

“That’s the core of Nintendo’s work: to bring smiles to players’ faces,” the designer Shigeru Miyamoto says, in a rare interview. “So I don’t have any regrets. If anything, I wish I could have provided more cheer, more laughter.” https://t.co/4EnNayBEsV

— The New Yorker (@NewYorker) December 20, 2020

Miyamoto: Wishes to create a kinder world.
Also Nintendo: DMCAs fangames, takes down music on youtube, and shuts down tournaments.


You hate to see it.

 

[Nemuresu]

You can (and should) read that there. For whatever reason, the site won't let me quote it.

Thankfully, there's still another archived version of that 4chan thread, which I'd recommend to keep because Fireden killed all the /v/ stuff: https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/443463387/#q443463387

I was checking out 2chan smash leak thread and a new leak about the Square rep has dropped and the discussion is heating up there.
My Japanese (and English) aren't that good but I tried my best to decrypt it.
Here it is.


The Square rep was indeed Erdrick.
I heard that they were going with Castlevania as retro rep for fans overseas and Dragon Quest as retro rep for Japanese audience and it turned out no Dragon Quest rep so I rofled.

What I heard was that he was in development from the start so I'm not sure he is actually in the DLC pack or not.
Maybe got delayed and sent to later updates or maybe he was just cut out completely like the other third party reps which were also missing.
But Erdrick was in development and some other one like the default guy from Minecraft was on the go too.
Come to think of it, Chun-Li somehow became Ken, Bandai Namco forced both Symphonia and Vesperia guys in at the planning stage and now somehow they are missing so I don't really know.

So I don't know if Erdrick is coming as paid DLC or as a free update but he was really in the development.
Appearently, Enix side of SE was shocked about Cloud getting in smash first so they were so cooperative and were so desperate appealing their boi to the smash team.
DQ11S was already decided at that time so I think they had some thinkings in their minds that maybe western smashers could drift into DQ series through Switch too.

Sora was also a candidate but they were quite doubtful about representing the Kingdom Hearts series without any Disney stuff so he was rejected.
There were Sephiroth and the Mii guy from Super Mario RPG as well but in the end Sephiroth gave the seat to the Dragon Quest rep and the Mii one was in very weird position so send off to maybe another day box.
I heard that he has a good amount of fans but his original game developers are confusing about the fact that most of the requests from them are only saying just to put him in smash but there are hardly no demands for other things about him like hoping for his new game or remake of his original game or collab for non-smash games.
Companies especially the thirds are worrying about their characters becoming a "Smash" character so the requests for new games or remakes they get sometimes are also wanting samsh representations so they can't really tell that those smash fans are actually wanting the new development of their beloved series or wanting that too but just for smash their priority.
I also heard that they also acknowledge the situation that only the vocal fans from smash fandom are keep requesting so they don't know how much of the actual fans not from the smash community are really requesting for new developments without smash in their mind and they can't just revive already dead series only for to get into smash roster because that's not business but just pure gambling.
Those kind of stories I hear a lot recently, I'm surprized how influential smash had become.


And that's it.
It's not saying much about the DLC itself but the part about the Mii guy is... very interesting.
People on 2chan are not believing the Erdrick part that much but seems like that they are all in agreement to the latter half, the thinking process talked about behind the companies is quite likely to the Japanese companies and realistic.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

New interview of Miyamoto.

“That’s the core of Nintendo’s work: to bring smiles to players’ faces,” the designer Shigeru Miyamoto says, in a rare interview. “So I don’t have any regrets. If anything, I wish I could have provided more cheer, more laughter.” https://t.co/4EnNayBEsV

— The New Yorker (@NewYorker) December 20, 2020

Can't wait to show this to the people in slave labour to show them how cool Nintendo is for using their 'work or death' sentences to make Switches!

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I mean, it’s an interesting post and I have no doubt there’s some sort of legitimacy to it. I’m not sure that ALL these characters will be revisited Chun-li is definitely an interesting choice for another Capcom Rep, especially since that would make SF with 3, but I also wonder if the Lloyd costume and Monster Hunter costumes really mean something.

Like, I could EASILY see a Tales of character. Easily, the matter of which, Lloyd or Yuri or whatever, is definitely up in the air but I can’t help but think that the Lloyd costume being MIA is definitely suspicious. Chun-li is the weird one because she hasn’t showed up in any form besides a Spirit so something isn’t missing making it harder to pin down. What we know is missing is Monster Hunter costumes which is why I’m leaning more towards Monster Hunter as the Capcom character because why keep them out when they’ve added all the Mega Man and other Capcom stuff in already? It’s all really weird.

That’s my take on the leak. It’s a 50/50. It’s interesting to talk about but it might end up leading us nowhere.

 

[Momotsuki]

Can't wait to show this to the people in slave labour to show them how cool Nintendo is for using their 'work or death' sentences to make Switches!

On this topic, Louis Rossmann - as hit-or-miss as he can be - had a video recently on some things involving slave labor in the tech world, it's a fantastic watch. Just a little bit of language, fair warning. A bit of an out-of-the-blue plug I do suppose but this resonated with me a fair bit and figured I'd take an opportunity to share it.

Spoiler: YouTube embed

 

[SharkLord]

Thankfully, there's still another archived version of that 4chan thread, which I'd recommend to keep because Fireden killed all the /v/ stuff: https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/443463387/#q443463387

This part interests me:

Assuming this is a more accurate translation, Lloyd and Yuri were Bamco's decision. Perhaps Nintendo and Bamco came to blows over the Tales content, and they forced it back until the DLC so they had more time to work it out.

 

[UltimateCyborgOverlord]

I mean, it’s an interesting post and I have no doubt there’s some sort of legitimacy to it. I’m not sure that ALL these characters will be revisited Chun-li is definitely an interesting choice for another Capcom Rep, especially since that would make SF with 3, but I also wonder if the Lloyd costume and Monster Hunter costumes really mean something.

Like, I could EASILY see a Tales of character. Easily, the matter of which, Lloyd or Yuri or whatever, is definitely up in the air but I can’t help but think that the Lloyd costume being MIA is definitely suspicious. Chun-li is the weird one because she hasn’t showed up in any form besides a Spirit so something isn’t missing making it harder to pin down. What we know is missing is Monster Hunter costumes which is why I’m leaning more towards Monster Hunter as the Capcom character because why keep them out when they’ve added all the Mega Man and other Capcom stuff in already? It’s all really weird.

That’s my take on the leak. It’s a 50/50. It’s interesting to talk about but it might end up leading us nowhere.

Not tryna start somethin with a mod but like... missing Mii costumes could mean nothing too. Just ask the Geno fans. Even us Shadow the Hedgehog fans were taken for a ride pre-release given "Shadow assist trophy is missing, and Knuckles got promoted to assist! Maybe?" then like a dagger in the dark "nope! He's still there".

IF this whole fiasco is true, MY big question about Chun-li is: "IS she back on the table, or did she get scrapped in favor of Ken?" I know it's been said Ken didn't replace her but.... maybe? Not every scrapped idea is suddenly "happening", just ask the Chorus Kids.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Tbh it’s pretty wild to think that in a parallel universe we’d be getting Deciduchun instead of Kencineroar

YES. DECIDUCHUN. I JUST COINED THAT YOURE WELCOME

 

[SirBillyBob]

Shout out to one of the greatest Indie games of all time:

Cave Story for PC was released on this day, 16 years ago (2004) pic.twitter.com/SFmvltxb34

— OnThisDayInGaming (@OnThisDayGaming) December 20, 2020

Let's hope the Pixel-Nicalis situation gets resolved one day and we get Quote in Smash.

 

[UltimateCyborgOverlord]

Tbh it’s pretty wild to think that in a parallel universe we’d be getting Deciduchun instead of Kencineroar

YES. DECIDUCHUN. I JUST COINED THAT YOURE WELCOME

And yet ANOTHER parallel universe where we got Chuncineroar instead of Kencidueye. I like that universe better, I love both Chun-li and Incineroar

 

[cashregister9]

Tbh it’s pretty wild to think that in a parallel universe we’d be getting Deciduchun instead of Kencineroar

YES. DECIDUCHUN. I JUST COINED THAT YOURE WELCOME

Deciduli flows better IMO.

 

[dezeray112]

I mean, it’s an interesting post and I have no doubt there’s some sort of legitimacy to it. I’m not sure that ALL these characters will be revisited Chun-li is definitely an interesting choice for another Capcom Rep, especially since that would make SF with 3, but I also wonder if the Lloyd costume and Monster Hunter costumes really mean something.

Like, I could EASILY see a Tales of character. Easily, the matter of which, Lloyd or Yuri or whatever, is definitely up in the air but I can’t help but think that the Lloyd costume being MIA is definitely suspicious. Chun-li is the weird one because she hasn’t showed up in any form besides a Spirit so something isn’t missing making it harder to pin down. What we know is missing is Monster Hunter costumes which is why I’m leaning more towards Monster Hunter as the Capcom character because why keep them out when they’ve added all the Mega Man and other Capcom stuff in already? It’s all really weird.

That’s my take on the leak. It’s a 50/50. It’s interesting to talk about but it might end up leading us nowhere.

On the bolded - This is why I do feel like the outcome for the Lloyd and Monster Hunter costumes could end up going one way or the other. The odds still remain at 50/50 like you had stated, but I guess we'll find out what 2021 has in store and hopefully we'll get the answers by then.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Would be funny iff thr namco character isnt Yuri at all but Don-chan