Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Rie Sonomura]

Apparently some dude called Xenother. I think they were the one behind the Katalina theory/leak/rumor/whatever.

that was Hitagi, but yeah bringing up Dante NOW is sus

 

[Commander_Alph]

I already know that Katalina leak/rumor/whatever from Hitagi Senjougahara from the Monogatari series is fake just because it's obvious that Gran and Djeeta will be chosen cause main character.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Best take I've seen all day is that if this Pass is themed around doing previously considered ideas, then the last fighter is Chorus Kids. Chun-Li, Lloyd and Chorus Kids would be hella unexpected but awesome. Whoever it was who came up with that, never stop jamming my dude

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Best take I've seen all day is that if this Pass is themed around doing previously considered ideas, then the last fighter is Chorus Kids. Chun-Li, Lloyd and Chorus Kids would be hella unexpected but awesome. Whoever it was who came up with that, never stop jamming my dude

I'd love to see the fan art of that pass.

 

[Strife]

Best take I've seen all day is that if this Pass is themed around doing previously considered ideas, then the last fighter is Chorus Kids. Chun-Li, Lloyd and Chorus Kids would be hella unexpected but awesome. Whoever it was who came up with that, never stop jamming my dude

I don't think there is a theme, nor do I think there they are doing previously censored ideas. I think they're just picking marketable characters. I felt like the last pass did well on this front up until Terry, and all I can think is that Terry was added to appeal to fighting games fans. Like perhaps they believe a significant portion of the smash audience are hardcore fighting game fans. Although I'm not sure I've ever heard Nintendo refer to smash as a fighting game

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Don-chan would be an awesome pick

Don-chan gang lets goo

 

[SharkLord]

I don't think the pass is necessarily themed around second chances, but it wouldn't surprise me if Nintendo decided to tie up old deals while they can. If there was some licenses they got in the base game and didn't use or replace, it'd be best to use them later on rather than just letting them go to waste.

 

[Ben Holt]

People have more confidence in Lloyd than I do.
I think Heihachi's Mii Costume disconfirmed ALL Bandai-Namco characters, with the possible exception of Ms. Pac-Man if we get Echo Fighter DLC.
Heihachi is THE Namco character besides Pac-Man himself, and it would be perfect to have Ryu, Terry, and Heihachi in one game, and since that's not happening, I severely doubt Lloyd's chances.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't think the pass is necessarily themed around second chances, but it wouldn't surprise me if Nintendo decided to tie up old deals while they can. If there was some licenses they got in the base game and didn't use or replace, it'd be best to use them later on rather than just letting them go to waste.

Yeah it’s more of a pragmatic thing than anything else. Why bother starting from scratch when you can reuse infrastructure you’ve already built? Especially with a game that’s been undergoing continuous development for 5 years now.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

that was Hitagi, but yeah bringing up Dante NOW is sus

I'm not actually sure on how long Xenother's comments were though they were in response to the leak that showed a list of 40 DLC characters. UltimateCyborgOverlord was the one who mentioned Xenother's comments in the first place. My guess is Xenother's comments were from a while back, but are only being talked about now.

 

[Powerman293]

I don't think the pass is necessarily themed around second chances, but it wouldn't surprise me if Nintendo decided to tie up old deals while they can. If there was some licenses they got in the base game and didn't use or replace, it'd be best to use them later on rather than just letting them go to waste.

I get the vibe this Fighter's Pass was stuff Nintendo always wanted to do, but they needed the green light of Fighter's Pass 1 selling well to go ahead and do it.

But we're only halfway through so maybe characters that are actually new picks might be loaded into the back half.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I'm not actually sure on how long Xenother's comments were though they were in response to the leak that showed a list of 40 DLC characters. UltimateCyborgOverlord was the one who mentioned Xenother's comments in the first place. My guess is Xenother's comments were from a while back, but are only being talked about now.

how far a while back? a year? two years?

 

[JamesDNaux]

Felt like sharing this nugget of wisdom after seeing a lot of the speculation over recent days.

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[SharkLord]

Felt like sharing this nugget of wisdom after seeing a lot of the speculation over recent days.

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Thank you Push, now we can enjoy this gif

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[Perkilator]

People have more confidence in Lloyd than I do.
I think Heihachi's Mii Costume disconfirmed ALL Bandai-Namco characters, with the possible exception of Ms. Pac-Man if we get Echo Fighter DLC.
Heihachi is THE Namco character besides Pac-Man himself, and it would be perfect to have Ryu, Terry, and Heihachi in one game, and since that's not happening, I severely doubt Lloyd's chances.

There’s still Dark Souls as one of Namco’s flagship IP‘s (even though its story is finished).

 

[Faso115]

Hmm makes sense to not repeat archetypes so in that sense Chun-Li doesn't feel that likely considering fighting game lady was done before though there is some leeway as to how similar the genre the character belongs to (for example, getting Joker and Hero back to back. Both are JRPG but come from widely different takes on the genre)

Though keep in mind, if a character looks similar to another one in the pass doesn't mean that disqualifies them. Like Dante for instance, white haired sword dude with crazy powers? Sephiroth kinda fits that mold but the kicker is that Dante comes from a different genre and gameplay wise would be A LOT more different than edgy big ass sword.

Sucks for Vergil tho

 

[SharkLord]

There’s still Dark Souls as one of Namco’s flagship IP‘s (even though its story is finished).

Aside from that, Tales is considered one of the big three of JRPGs alongside Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest, at least in Japan. I hear it's big enough to get it's own conventions. Not sure we're giving it enough credit.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Aside from that, Tales is considered one of the big three of JRPGs alongside Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest, at least in Japan. I hear it's big enough to get it's own conventions. Not sure we're giving it enough credit.

Tales has a decently sized fan base in the west too, mainly for Symphonia, Vesperia and Abyss

I still have not finished Abyss end me now

 

[Momotsuki]

If there's one thing I've learned stalking this thread on-and-off for a couple of years now, it's that when in doubt, Dante.

 

[SpecterFlower]

Aside from that, Tales is considered one of the big three of JRPGs alongside Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest, at least in Japan. I hear it's big enough to get it's own conventions. Not sure we're giving it enough credit.

id say at this point persona and nier are bigger and fire emblem and xenoblade are up there as well.

Arise doesn't look like it will do to well unfortunately.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

id say at this point persona and nier are bigger and fire emblem and xenoblade are up there as well.

Arise doesn't look like it will do to well unfortunately.

That’s a shame, Shionne looks like the kind of character I’d love

Alphen is overrated

 

[JamesDNaux]

If there's one thing I've learned stalking this thread on-and-off for a couple of years now, it's that when in doubt, Dante.

What I've learned is that the next character is never someone anyone is seriously speculating, sorry Dante.
This is how Rayman will still win.

 

[7NATOR]

Thank you Push, now we can enjoy this gif

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Since Eggman and Shadow was mentioned by Push, I have to reply

-If Sephiroth's DLC Tournament is based off of him being a Villain, I will say Eggman might not be in this Fighter pass. If it's based of Rivals, Then I don't think Shadow will be in. If it's a combination of Both, then Both won't be in

-Also, Shadow I don't think is seen as a Villain like Eggman is. He hasn't been a villain since SA2, or Shadow the Hedgehog if you do the Villain route. He's more seen as Sonic's Rival Character in the same vain like Dark Pit. I'm glad at least Push is considering Shadow, since I know people throw him out alot for reasons

-I agree with his point about Characters need to hit Different notes, and the balance between that. It's part of why there's part of me that doubts Lloyd or Yuri if we were to get a Tales of Character, or Chun-Li getting in because of Min-Min (because Min-Min's sub Gimmick is her kicks, and she stole Chun-Li's Multi Kick special). I don't think the characters should be thrown out, just that we should consider the balance and stuff

 

[Nightguything]

id say at this point persona and nier are bigger and fire emblem and xenoblade are up there as well.

Arise doesn't look like it will do to well unfortunately.

Not to be that guy but..

 

[Deleted member]

Sometimes you just gotta come out and say, “yeah, I’m that person who loves RPGs, anime, and mains swordies in Smash, and yes I am responsible for that segment of the cast everyone hates and also my name is Masahiro Sakurai”.

 

[SharkLord]

id say at this point persona and nier are bigger and fire emblem and xenoblade are up there as well.

Arise doesn't look like it will do to well unfortunately.

It's kind of a legacy thing, I think. Tales has been around since the 90's and picked up with Symphonia in the early 2000's. I'd imagine that would stick in player's mind for longer, since they have more of a foundation. All the games you listed only really hit their stride recently, so I'd imagine they hadn't quite solidified yet.

 

[cashregister9]

Not to be that guy but..

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I'm going to add to this for informations sake not to prove a point about Tales' Popularity

Trails is getting up there

 

[Ben Holt]

Speaking of RPGs, I really hope Jibanyan is not one of remaining three characters, but I would not be surprised if he were.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Arise doesn't look like it will do to well unfortunately.

Can’t really say that it’s a failure until it’s a failure though can we?

 

[7NATOR]

This is gonna sound like the dumbest Question ever, but I need to ask

Do you think that Characters having similar colors to each other could be a problem in this Fighter Pass?

For example, If say Velvet was in the game, Does that mean characters that have Predominantly Black and Red Colors will be Less likely, even if the Characters themselves are from different Franchises, Genres, have Different abilities, and not really similar in any other way?

 

[Idon]

Arise doesn't look like it will do to well unfortunately.

This is literally based off of nothing.

 

[SharkLord]

I'm going to add to this for informations sake not to prove a point about Tales' Popularity

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Trails is getting up there

Based on this, Tales would indeed be one of the highest "pure" JRPGs; Pokemon is more focused on catching monsters, Monster Hunter and Dark Souls are a separate action-y breed of games (Though still RPGs), and Kingdom Hearts is a game where we can hear Donald Duck say "SORA, IT'S SEPHIROTH!" so I have no idea what the %$#@ that would be filed under.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

If sales was the only thing that mattered to we’re getting Dark Souls. Let’s go.

 

[PSIGuy]

Felt like sharing this nugget of wisdom after seeing a lot of the speculation over recent days.

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I've thought this way about "breaking rules" for a while. Once a rule's broken they're usually pretty content about not doing it again, unless doing it again breaks an even bigger rule like "they wouldn't add another FE character as DLC" or "they wouldn't work with Square again after Cloud was such a pain".
and now that this is a rule they're going to break it too

 

[Powerman293]

Not to be that guy but..

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Me: Wanting Monster Hunter and Sora realizing these are the next best selling JRPG series

It's all coming together.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Hmm makes sense to not repeat archetypes so in that sense Chun-Li doesn't feel that likely considering fighting game lady was done before though there is some leeway as to how similar the genre the character belongs to (for example, getting Joker and Hero back to back. Both are JRPG but come from widely different takes on the genre)

I don't think Chun-Li would conflict in that sense since Min Min's theme was "it's the character from ARMS" rather than "biggest girl in fighting games".

EDIT: They could also delve more into Street Fighter's past and present since, ya' know. There are more pretty big games in the series than just Street Fighter II: Turbo...Isn't that right music selection team?

I'm going to add to this for informations sake not to prove a point about Tales' Popularity

The Chrono series is still top 25 in sales even though it's last game was on the SNES and nobody really cared for it

SquareEnix: "I'm just gonna ignore that."

 

[Perkilator]

I'm going to add to this for informations sake not to prove a point about Tales' Popularity

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Trails is getting up there

Good to see Sakura Wars up on that list.

Speaking of RPGs, I really hope Jibanyan is not one of remaining three characters, but I would not be surprised if he were.

Why not, exactly? Just curious.

 

[osby]

This is gonna sound like the dumbest Question ever, but I need to ask

Do you think that Characters having similar colors to each other could be a problem in this Fighter Pass?

For example, If say Velvet was in the game, Does that mean characters that have Predominantly Black and Red Colors will be Less likely, even if the Characters themselves are from different Franchises, Genres, have Different abilities, and not really similar in any other way?

I think it doesn't matter. Smash 4 DLC gave us two characters with primarily black color schemes, after all.

Based on this, Tales would indeed be one of the highest "pure" JRPGs; Pokemon is more focused on catching monsters, Monster Hunter and Dark Souls are a separate action-y breed of games (Though still RPGs), and Kingdom Hearts is a game where we can hear Donald Duck say "SORA, IT'S SEPHIROTH!" so I have no idea what the %$#@ that would be filed under.

I mean, depending on your "pure" definition, you can also say that Tales doesn't count because it's an ARPG.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Why not, exactly? Just curious.

Because the only move you'd be able to execute yourself would be his Final Smash.

 

[dream1ng]

Felt like sharing this nugget of wisdom after seeing a lot of the speculation over recent days.

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It is undeniable that the fanbase has two major groups: those with the memory of a goldfish, basing their predictions pretty much just off the previous character, recent game, or current leak as if they were first we ever received, and those who are aware of the myopia and have come to tolerate and expect it in absence of being able to mitigate it.

Remember when everyone said Monster Hunter and Travis were probably next and then we got Steve and Sephiroth? Remember after Min Min how Rex was the likeliest addition? Remember after Byleth how a Gen 8 was the likeliest addition? Remember after Terry how first-parties were basically off the table? I saw people doubt getting more third-parties after Byleth and Min Min came back-to-back.

Some characters do change the landscape, like how Sephiroth does herald the eventual addition of more subsequent unique additions from third-party series (which most people reckoned was only a matter of time anyway), but it doesn't mean they're next. It doesn't mean they're going to make up the majority of the rest of the pass.