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idk how yall can make predictions on a “hype/lame/popular” reveal because its all subjective lmao
It’s definitely 2 first parties tho
It’s definitely 2 first parties tho
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Oh yeah, I don’t think Impa as a whole is out, but as I said without AoC Impa her fanbase is a bit more divided on what game she should pull the most inspiration from.Good point but spirits don't necessarily deconfirmed. I actually think here Hyrule Warriors moveset would be a great option because it would be a unique moveset for Smash. No matter how you spin it, she would share moves with Sheik.
But what even IS a popular character?I mean if they're popular they will PROBABLY be hype.
You're talking about a character whose games cant even chart on sales charts. Top 20 usually bottoms out on about 2K and Rayman couldn't even achieve that. And that's WITH Nintendo publishing. Even super niche JP series do better than that in the States.Reimu has a shot. I think Rayman is more well-known in Japan than we think. Ubisoft loves to spam him everywhere kind of like Sega and Sonic (which isn't necessarily a bad thing). I will give it to you that he is probably more obscure than some of the other third parties added.
When I suggest a "lowkey" character it usually doesn't reflect my own feelings toward them. Terry is my favorite DLC character thus far and most of my MWs would fall into a more humbled category of hype compared to the major heavy hitters of the community.idk how yall can make predictions on a “hype/lame/popular” reveal because its all subjective lmao
Ah, Chocolate suggesting Soma Cruz, excellent choice indeedBut what even IS a popular character?
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A miserable pile of semantics!
isn't that line referring to drac-wait a minuteAh, Chocolate suggesting Soma Cruz, excellent choice indeed
Huh?You're talking about a character whose games cant even chart on sales charts. Top 20 usually bottoms out on about 2K and Rayman couldn't even achieve that. And that's WITH Nintendo publishing. Even super niche JP series do better than that in the States.
That's a good point, actually. I can get why most people wouldn't want sigs clogging their mobiles, too.Actually, signatures don't show up on mobile, so personally, I never noticed that and I can assume this goes for others considering how often I ended up answering people asking why their signature didn't show up on the thread
Just two more weeks, hang in there everyone.![]()
I think the only ATs with a decent chance would be Shovel Knight, Waluigi and maybe Isaac. The former because he's from a third party series that lacks a stage and songs, and could very well be included on the series' merits. The latter two because the fan demand is arguably high enough to warrant it.I would have no problem with and would even invite the idea of Isaac being promoted from an AT role, so I don't think we're exactly on the same page. I just think it has a very slim chance of actually happening.
I'm talking about Japan.Huh?
Rayman is in the top-50 or so all-time selling franchises. Rayman series has sold 26 Million Units: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_game_franchises
It is ahead of Devil May Cry, Tales series, Dynasty Warriors, Prince of Persia, and even Castlevania.
Link?I'm talking about Japan.
Thanks for someone actually posting with me on this one. What is funny was that I never agreed he was big in Japan, I was just pointing out Smash Ballot results. It is insane that he isn't in the game but Sakurai is very Japanese-centric so it isn't a surprised. I appreciate everything Sakurai has done but it might be good to get fresh blood in with the Smash series.Rayman's a big deal...
HIS OG GAME IS THE BEST SELLING PLAYSTATION GAME IN EUROPE'S HISTORY
Gotchu homie.Thanks for someone actually posting with me on this one. What is funny was that I never agreed he was big in Japan, I was just pointing out Smash Ballot results. It is insane that he isn't in the game but Sakurai is very Japanese-centric so it isn't a surprised. I appreciate everything Sakurai has done but it might be good to get fresh blood in with the Smash series.
Some of us were unfortunate enough to have our most-wanteds ATed in the base game, and have been given renewed hope by every other fan rule biting the dust. For me, it's more about that than the promotion itself, though that is inevitably part of it.God, I still don't understand why people still want AT's to be promoted in the same game. Spirits? Totally fine. It's better to create a whole new model for a character who used to be a PNG than to try to Frankenstein a model that was already animated for an estabished role.
Link?
I agree it isn't that near as big in Japan as in the West but Rayman did merit enough to be in the top 20 in Smash Ballots pre-Ultimate based on GLOBAL results.
1. I could be wrong but I think Japan had far higher participation than other poles in Smash Ballot![]()
[Japan] Famitsu sales for Week 8, 2020 (February 17 – February 23) [Top 30]
Here’s the latest sales report from Famitsu (and Media Create), covering Week 8, 2020 in Japan. Great debut for Persona 5 Scramble: The Phantom Strikers, and big drop for Nintendo Switch sales!www.perfectly-nintendo.com
This is the week Rayman Legends launched on the Switch. Top 30 bottomed out at 1.7k and Rayman Legends is nowhere to be seen.
I don't see how Global position matters when you're generally talking about how he's "more well known" in Japan than meets the eye. This is what I'm disagreeing with.
Jigglypuff’s 64 unlock conditions guarantee that she wouldn’t be the last character unlocked in that game, it would be Luigi, Ness or Captain Falcon.I can definitely understand why people think the last one will be more low key. People love to point to Bayo, but looking at all of the other cycles (), it's very easy to understand why it's hard to see "bigger" picks being last. If Sora or Crash happens as CP11, they happens and I'll be happy, but there's a big difference between wanting a character and seeing them as likely.
I mean if you are going to bring her up due to fan demand, then Wolf absolutely makes no sense being compared to the likes of the Duck Hunt Dog and Mr. Game & Watch either as he was a popular request for Brawl. Sakurai even stated that was one of the main reasons he even was selected in the first place.And then there's of course Bayonetta, the character people often (rightfully) point toward to show the final character doesn't need to be arbitrarily underwhelming.
We don't have any numbers for the Smash ballot other than a vague amount of participants. Exit polls mean nothing as seen with Bayonetta1. I could be wrong but I think Japan had far higher participation than other poles in Smash Ballot
As I said above, Exit polls mean nothing. Simon was generally not shown in those results either but Sakurai specifically said he was chosen in part because of his ballot performance.2. He didn't do that bad in the Japanese Smash Ballot either. He wasn't top 20 but he was in top 30 or so (keep in mind this was pre-Ultimate and characters like Snake, Wolf, Pichu, etc. where in the ballot).
I'm stating truths. Rayman is a literal nobody in Japan and not even Nintendo publishing could save him.I am not sure why you have to be so hostile with your responses.
She's being considered the "lame finale" because she's fighter no. 12 in Ultimate.Jigglypuff’s 64 unlock conditions guarantee that she wouldn’t be the last character unlocked in that game, it would be Luigi, Ness or Captain Falcon.
Also another note, you do know that Rayman Legends was on Wii U, PS3, etc. It was an outdated game by the time it launched in Japan. Kind of like DKC Tropical Freeze.![]()
[Japan] Media Create sales for Week 8, 2018 (February 19th – February 25th) [Top 50]
Here’s the Media Create (and Famitsu) sales for Week 8 2018 in Japan. A really uneventful week for Nintendo platforms, but at least Nintendo Switch sales (Hardware and Software) remain steady. *** Update: added Top 50 (Media Create)!www.perfectly-nintendo.com
This is the week Rayman Legends launched on the Switch. Top 20 bottomed out at 3.8k and Rayman Legends didn't even make top 50. A Vita game sold better than a Rayman game did.
I don't see how Global position matters when you're generally talking about how he's "more well known" in Japan than meets the eye. This is what I'm disagreeing with.
Rayman is a big deal because he is French.
However I have been in talks with Sakurai and he confirmed he couldn't add Rayman as a character because he couldn't think of a way to make a viable amiibo of the character.
Other solution is giving him a tree to hang on.
Where are you getting these results? The ballot results were never shown so you being able to say Rayman scored high on it and specify he did well with Japan sounds completely made up. I'd like your sources on that1. I could be wrong but I think Japan had far higher participation than other poles in Smash Ballot
2. He didn't do that bad in the Japanese Smash Ballot either. He wasn't top 20 but he was in top 30 or so (keep in mind this was pre-Ultimate and characters like Snake, Wolf, Pichu, etc. where in the ballot).
I am not sure why you have to be so hostile with your responses.
This is... reasonable, but if this was the actual game we got, I think I would be fairly underwhelmed.For the inevitable next Smash game (which will be a long time from now), I'd want a roster that evokes the same kind of aura as Brawl's roster. Everyone in that game felt like they should be there to some degree. Of course, I plan on adding some newcomers to freshen things up (a mix of fan-favorite picks and some unconventional ones), but I feel like Brawl's roster would be a good base to start things on:
Returning:
New:
- Mario
- Donkey Kong
- Link
- Samus
- Yoshi
- Kirby
- Fox
- Pikachu
- Luigi
- Ness
- Captain Falcon
- Jigglypuff
- Peach
- Bowser
- Zelda/Sheik
- Falco
- Marth
- Ganondorf
- Mewtwo
- Mr. Game and Watch
- Meta Knight
- Pit
- Wario
- Ike
- Charizard
- Diddy Kong
- Sonic
- King Dedede
- Olimar
- Lucario
- R.O.B.
- Villager
- Mega Man
- Little Mac
- Pac-Man
- Robin
- Shulk
- Inkling
- Ridley
- Simon
- King K. Rool
- Byleth
- Min Min
- Waluigi
- Skull Kid
- Bandanna Waddle Dee
- Isaac
- Retro Character (Balloon Fighter, Takamaru, or Donkey Kong Jr. come to mind)
- Ryu Hayabusa
- Rayman
Of course, this was a hard list to choose from. Bolded characters are ones I think would work as small DLC with minimal moveset changes from Ultimate.
- Dark Samus
- Daisy
- Ice Climbers
- Dr. Mario
- Pichu
- Lucina
- Young Link
- Roy
- Chrom
- Dark Pit
- Zero Suit Samus
- Snake
- Squirtle
- Ivysaur
- Lucas
- Toon Link
- Wolf
- Wii Fit Trainer
- Rosalina and Luma
- Greninja
- Mii Brawler
- Mii Swordfighter
- Mii Gunner
- Palutena
- Bowser Jr.
- Duck Hunt
- Ryu
- Ken
- Cloud
- Corrin
- Bayonetta
- Richter
- Isabelle
- Incineroar
- Piranha Plant
- Joker
- Hero
- Banjo and Kazooie
- Terry
- Steve
- Sephiroth
- Pyra/Mythra
- Any character that has appeared in at least four out of the five Smash Bros games stays
- Clones are kept to an absolute minimum (any clone that doesn't fit the above criteria is cut)
- A decent amount of characters get a moveset overhaul, namely the ones that seem to need it most
- From Smash 64:
- The majority of the cast gets some sort of significant moveset change (Everyone except Fox, Ness, Captain Falcon, Jigglypuff, and maybe Link)
- From Melee:
- Sheik is now a part of Zelda again. They should hopefully be balanced better to give a reason to use both characters in a fight, unlike Melee.
- Ganondorf is completely decloned
- From Brawl
- Wario gets some changes to his moveset to reference the Wario Land titles more
- Charizard flies solo again and gains some changes to his moveset to compensate
- Sonic gets a moveset overhaul
- Lucario's aura mechanic is rethought
- From Smash 4
- Little Mac gets a moveset overhaul
- From Ultimate
- Very few changes are needed here
- Custom moves return, but there is only one additional variation per move so they are a bit easier to balance. I feel that Delzethin's videos on potential custom moves cover what I would like to see from them this time around.
- The scaled-back roster will give the development team an opportunity to rethink how some of the returning characters are implemented into the game and freshen them up for the modern era.
Excuse my diatribe, but I wanted to put my own thoughts out on the topic.
It is called Google. Use it: https://www.google.com/search?sourc...gQIBRAB&biw=1576&bih=757#imgrc=rk8TrSsADpqZeMView attachment 317245
Where are you getting these results? The ballot results were never shown so you being able to say Rayman scored high on it and specify he did well with Japan sounds completely made up. I'd like your sources on that
I don't believe Wolf is an underwhelming finale either. I mean hell, he's kind of cheating anyway since he was unlockable and wasn't formally revealed until after the game released.I mean if you are going to bring her up due to fan demand, then Wolf absolutely makes no sense being compared to the likes of the Duck Hunt Dog and Mr. Game & Watch either as he was a popular request for Brawl. Sakurai even stated that was one of the main reasons he even was selected in the first place.
It got 45th. Top 20 bottomed out at 3.8k as well. Mario Kart Wii outsold it and the game was 5 years old at that point.Also another note, you do know that Rayman Legends was on Wii U, PS3, etc. It was an outdated game by the time it launched in Japan. Kind of like DKC Tropical Freeze.
If CP10 only: Crash or a League characterIf you had to put money on, who do you honestly believe in your heart of hearts, will be revealed at E3.
You can choose give answers for CP10 or CP10 & CP11 if you think we are getting a double reveal.
Mario Kart outsales ALOT of stuff on Nintendo console. Also keep in mind that Rayman has historically does better on Sony systems. What was its Playstation sales?It got 45th. Top 20 bottomed out at 3.8k as well. Mario Kart Wii outsold it and the game was 5 years old at that point.
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Media Create Sales: Week 42, 2013 (Oct 14 - Oct 20)
Media Create Sales: Week 42, 2013 (Oct 14 - Oct 20) 01./01. [3DS] Pokemon X / Y # (Pokemon Co.) {2013.10.12} (¥4.800) - 473.151 / 2.339.721 (-75%) 02./03. [3DS] Monster Hunter 4 # (Capcom) {2013.09.14} (¥5.990) - 104.394 / 2.757.217 (-5%) 03./02. [PS3] Grand Theft Auto V (Take-Two...www.neogaf.com
I'm not sure how "Under 1.5k sales" = hot. But you do you.Also another note, you do know that Rayman Legends was on Wii U, PS3, etc. It was an outdated game by the time it launched in Japan. Kind of like DKC Tropical Freeze.
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Rayman Legends sells under 1,500 copies in its first week in Japan - Nintendo Everything
Rayman Legends was the second best-selling Wii U title in Japan during the week of October 14th. Sadly, that’s not saying much. Dengeki Online reports (via ASCII Media Works) Rayman Legends sold just 1,435 copies in its debut week at retail. Nintendo published Rayman Legends as a Japanese Wii U...nintendoeverything.com
BTW, there is a link that destroys your argument. Rayman Legends was hot on Wii U.
I've said it before: Reimu and Master Chief.If you had to put money on, who do you honestly believe in your heart of hearts, will be revealed at E3.
You can choose give answers for CP10 or CP10 & CP11 if you think we are getting a double reveal.
That's a ballot run by fans, not the official ballot that people are talking about when they say "the ballot".It is called Google. Use it: https://www.google.com/search?sourc...gQIBRAB&biw=1576&bih=757#imgrc=rk8TrSsADpqZeM
Sorry, I am kind of running out of patient here. Not in the mood for drama from people on here.
It didn't chart. The list is right there.Mario Kart outsales ALOT of stuff on Nintendo console. Also keep in mind that Rayman has historically does better on Sony systems. What was its Playstation sales?
Bruh those are fan polls, not results from the ballot like you were claiming them to be.It is called Google. Use it: https://www.google.com/search?sourc...gQIBRAB&biw=1576&bih=757#imgrc=rk8TrSsADpqZeM
Sorry, I am kind of running out of patient here. Not in the mood for drama from people on here.
For the record, it actually is possible, albeit unlikely, to unlock Jigglypuff last. Jigglypuff has the easiest unlock conditions out of the 3 characters unlocked from 1P Game (you only have to beat it to unlock Jigglypuff, while Falcon and Ness have additional requirements.) However, if you achieve the requirements for Falcon and/or Ness on your first time playing 1P Game, they will take priority over Jigglypuff.Jigglypuff’s 64 unlock conditions guarantee that she wouldn’t be the last character unlocked in that game, it would be Luigi, Ness or Captain Falcon.
Neko-Arc doing God's work.
BotW2 character (whether it be Wild Zelda or Mummy Ganondorf/Demise)If you had to put money on, who do you honestly believe in your heart of hearts, will be revealed at E3.
You can choose give answers for CP10 or CP10 & CP11 if you think we are getting a double reveal.