Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[GilTheGreat19]

With this in mind, if this is the case, the only solution is emulation

and you know how much Nintendo hates emulation

Nintendo when Nintendo Wii fans go to SeaWorld and see a Dolphin

 

[ahemtoday]

It me. I like Balan Wonderworld.

I thought it mighta been you! I was actually thinking of tagging you directly, but I'm terrible with names, and if I was wrong, imagine getting a notification out of nowhere that someone thinks you're, like, a Bubsy fan. I didn't want to do that, hehe!

 

[Mushroomguy12]

With this in mind, if this is the case, the only solution is emulation

and you know how much Nintendo hates emulation

I hate how this has to keep being relevant.

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— ❤🏳️‍⚧️ Xtephie 🏳️‍⚧️❤ (@StephieSparda) March 22, 2021

 

[Guynamednelson]

Nintendo when Nintendo Wii fans go to SeaWorld and see a Dolphin

Nintendo after they round up all the GameCubes in the world after remembering there's a hidden dolphin image on their chips

 

[Hadokeyblade]

I think the biggest problem to this solution would simply be Nintendo's stubborn refusal to make the majority of their library available on their modern systems and sticking to the "Disney Vault" model. Even if they have less characters, a lot of people do sometimes get the urge/curiousity to play the earlier games in the series again for various reasons, but alas, there's hardware degradation and $200+ pricetags in the way.

So yeah, I can see your point of view, but Nintendo always creates more problems with their stubbornness. Who knows how many Switches will still be working in 20+ years? The Joy Cons are already a mess now with their drifting.

Who the hell plays smash with joycons?

I’m tellin u

Project X Zone 3 with more Smash characters including Nintendo ones + Smash hopefuls

Don’t limit the Nintendo characters to FE and Xenoblade either; include Pit, Palutena, Officer Howard (currently a Spirit), Off the Hook (currently a Spirit) even Captain Falcon

that way your MW if they’re in PXZ3 can be in Smash “vicariously”

This is my dream game.

For the love of Palutena, please Bandai give us a new Project X Zone game.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Add ons to the actor thing I had:
- Adrianna Palicki
- Henry Cavill
- Mika
- Karen Fukuhara

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Who the hell plays smash with joycons?



This is my dream game.

For the love of Palutena, please Bandai give us a new Project X Zone game.

With Atlus being a part of Sega now, Joker’s a shoo in for 3 I feel

seeing Square would be neat too, and SNK

 

[Hadokeyblade]

With Atlus being a part of Sega now, Joker’s a shoo in for 3 I feel

seeing Square would be neat too, and SNK

That's the entire reason i want a X Zone 3 announced within the next few years, so we get Persona 5 stuff instead of Persona 6 stuff.

Joker and Queen pair unit lets go.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

That's the entire reason i want a X Zone 3 announced within the next few years, so we get Persona 5 stuff instead of Persona 6 stuff.

Joker and Queen pair unit lets go.

Joker and Yu tho - P5 and P4 music!

and maybe pair KOS-MOS with Aigis now while Fiora goes with Shulk

hopefully Bayonetta finally joins like she was supposed to in 2 as well

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Joker and Yu tho - P5 and P4 music!

and maybe pair KOS-MOS with Aigis now while Fiora goes with Shulk

hopefully Bayonetta finally joins like she was supposed to in 2 as well

Captain Falcon and Samus for a Nintendo duo of bounty hunters, teaming up for the same bounty in the story.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Joker and Yu tho - P5 and P4 music!

and maybe pair KOS-MOS with Aigis now while Fiora goes with Shulk

hopefully Bayonetta finally joins like she was supposed to in 2 as well

Joker and me? You want an avatar system?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Captain Falcon and Samus for a Nintendo duo of bounty hunters, teaming up for the same bounty in the story.

If Square’s in, Cloud and Tifa duo with Sephiroth boss is guaranteed

maybe TWEWY and/or NieR content too

 

[GoodGrief741]

I think the biggest problem to this solution would simply be Nintendo's stubborn refusal to make the majority of their library available on their modern systems and sticking to the "Disney Vault" model. Even if they have less characters, a lot of people do sometimes get the urge/curiousity to play the earlier games in the series again for various reasons, but alas, there's hardware degradation and $200+ pricetags in the way.

So yeah, I can see your point of view, but Nintendo always creates more problems with their stubbornness. Who knows how many Switches will still be working in 20+ years? The Joy Cons are already a mess now with their drifting.

Nintendo do themselves no favors with their bizarre stance on commercializing old games. I don't think that'll be a problem with Ultimate though. Someone who gets into Smash through a game after this won't be nostalgic for that one time there were no cuts. Missing Ultimate will only be a problem people that already own a Switch and Ultimate have. It's the best selling fighting game ever, not something like Earthbound that'll be discovered decades from now.

Imagine a Smash Cinematic Universe though...

Don't get me started man last time this was brought up I wrote essays

 

[Technomage]

While we're on the topic of Project X Zone 3, allow me to once again share my roster idea (it's still not finished, though):

Spoiler: Long list

Pair Units:

• Mario and Luigi
  
• Peach and Daisy
  
• Bowser and Bowser Junior
  
• Petey Piranha and Piranha Plant
  
• Donkey and Diddy Kong
  
• Link and Zelda (BotW incarnations)
  
• Sheik and Impa (OoT incarnations)
  
• Kirby and King Dedede
  
• Fox and Falco
  
• Pikachu and Eevee
  
• Captain Falcon and Samurai Goroh
  
• Ness and Paula
  
• Lucas and Kumatora
  
• Nana and Popo
  
• Marth and Tiki
  
• Roy and Lyn
  
• Chrom and Lucina
  
• Pit and Dark Pit
  
• Viridi and Phosphora
  
• Wario and Waluigi
  
• Kat and Ana
  
• Villager Boy and Girl
  
• Pearl and Marina
  
• Isabelle and Tom Nook
  
• Male and Female Wii Fit Trainer
  
• Little Mac and Captain Rainbow
  
• Shulk and Mecha-Fiora
  
• Snake and Raiden
  
• Sonic and Knuckles
  
• Shadow and Rouge
  
• Mega Man and Bass
  
• X and Zero
  
• Ryu and Ken
  
• Chun-Li and Guile
  
• Cloud and Tifa
  
• Zidane and Vivi
  
• Bayonetta and Jeanne
  
• Inkling Boy and Girl
  
• Min Min and Ninjara
  
• Spring Man and Ribbon Girl
  
• Simon and Richter
  
• Joker and Morgana
  
• Luminary and Erdrick
  
• Terry and Kyo
  
• Steve and Alex
  
• Frisk and Sans
  
• Isaac and Matthew
  
• Shovel Knight and Shield Knight
  
• Saki Amamiya and Isa Jo
  
• Crash and Coco
  
• Jin and Kazuya
  
• Freddy and Foxy
  
• Yuri and Estelle
  
• Morrigan and Dimitri
  
• Ryu Hayabusa and Kasumi
  
• Reimu and Marisa
  
• Dante and Virgil
  
• Goemon and Ebisumaru
  
• Shantae and Risky Boots
  
• Banjo-Kazooie and Conker
  
• Reiji and Xiaomu
  
• Jill and Leon
  
• Ahri and Jinx
  
• KOS-MOS and T-elos
• Agumon and Gabumon

Solo Units:

• Rosalina and Luma
  
• Yoshi
  
• King K. Rool
  
• Ganondorf
  
• Tingle
  
• Samus
  
• Ridley
  
• Meta Knight
  
• Wolf
  
• Krystal
  
• Mewtwo
  
• Lucario
  
• Pokemon Trainer (with Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard)
  
• Robin
  
• Corrin
  
• Byleth
  
• Ike
  
• Mr. Game & Watch
  
• Palutena
  
• Olimar
  
• Alph
  
• R.O.B.
  
• Duck Hunt
  
• Rex (with Pyra and Mythra)
  
• Elma
  
• Dr. Eggman
  
• Pac-Man
  
• Terra
  
• Sephiroth
  
• Rodin
  
• Alucard
  
• Athena
  
• Master Hand
  
• Crazy Hand
  
• Bomberman
  
• Heihachi
  
• Master Chief
  
• Monster Hunter
  
• Arle
  
• Rayman
  
• Chibi-Robo
  
• Mach Rider
  
• Akira
  
• Arthur
  
• Wesker
  
• Sora

Boss Units:

• Bowser
  
• Giga Bowser
  
• Bowser Jr.
  
• Petey Piranha
  
• King K. Rool
  
• Dark Link
  
• Ganondorf
  
• Ganon
  
• Dark Samus
  
• Ridley
  
• Mother Brain
  
• King Dedede
  
• Meta Knight
  
• Marx
  
• Chef Kawasaki
  
• Andross
  
• General Scales
  
• Wolf
  
• Mewtwo
  
• Rayquaza
  
• Porky
  
• Blood Falcon
  
• Black Shadow
  
• Black Knight
  
• Robin
  
• Edelgard
  
• Rhea
  
• Immaculate One
  
• Palutena
  
• Dark Pit
  
• Viridi
  
• Phosphora
  
• Medusa
  
• Hades
  
• Wario
  
• Waluigi
  
• Ancient Minister
  
• Metal Face
  
• Knuckles
  
• Dr. Eggman
  
• Shadow
  
• Rouge
  
• Dr. Wily
  
• Yellow Devil
  
• Bass
  
• Zero
  
• Inky
  
• Blinky
  
• Pinky
  
• Clyde
  
• Akuma
  
• M. Bison
  
• Sephiroth
  
• Terra
  
• Kefka
  
• Kuja
  
• Father Balder
  
• DJ Octavio
  
• Rathalos
  
• Dracula
  
• Igor
  
• Yaldabaoth
  
• Estark
  
• Gruntilda
  
• Geese Howard
  
• Ender Dragon
  
• Neo Cortex
  
• Dark Emperor
  
• Master Hand
  
• Crazy Hand
  
• Tabuu
  
• Galleom
  
• Galeem
  
• Dharkon
  
• Freddy
  
• Foxy
  
• Glitchtrap
  
• Risky Boots
  
• Saya (Project X Zone)
  
• Xehanort

Enemy Units:

• Goomba
  
• Koopa Troopa
  
• Hammer Bro.
  
• Piranha Plant
  
• Thwomp
  
• Eggplant Man
  
• Lakitu
  
• Spinies
  
• Klaptrap
  
• Metroid
  
• Knuckle Joe
  
• Koffing
  
• Gastly
  
• Chandelure
  
• Petilil
  
• Cryogonal
  
• Rocket Grunt
  
• Starman (Earthbound)
  
• Mr. Game & Watch Clones (created by Shadow Bugs)
  
• Fighting Polygons
  
• Fighting Wire Frames
  
• Fighting Alloys
  
• Fighting Miis

 

[chocolatejr9]

Don't get me started man last time this was brought up I wrote essays

And you'll do it again because you love us.

Wait, that came out wrong...

 

[Hadokeyblade]

While we're on the topic of Project X Zone 3, allow me to once again share my roster idea (it's still not finished, though):

Spoiler: Long list

Pair Units:

• Mario and Luigi
  
• Peach and Daisy
  
• Bowser and Bowser Junior
  
• Petey Piranha and Piranha Plant
  
• Donkey and Diddy Kong
  
• Link and Zelda (BotW incarnations)
  
• Sheik and Impa (OoT incarnations)
  
• Kirby and King Dedede
  
• Fox and Falco
  
• Pikachu and Eevee
  
• Captain Falcon and Samurai Goroh
  
• Ness and Paula
  
• Lucas and Kumatora
  
• Nana and Popo
  
• Marth and Tiki
  
• Roy and Lyn
  
• Chrom and Lucina
  
• Pit and Dark Pit
  
• Viridi and Phosphora
  
• Wario and Waluigi
  
• Kat and Ana
  
• Villager Boy and Girl
  
• Pearl and Marina
  
• Isabelle and Tom Nook
  
• Male and Female Wii Fit Trainer
  
• Little Mac and Captain Rainbow
  
• Shulk and Mecha-Fiora
  
• Snake and Raiden
  
• Sonic and Knuckles
  
• Shadow and Rouge
  
• Mega Man and Bass
  
• X and Zero
  
• Ryu and Ken
  
• Chun-Li and Guile
  
• Cloud and Tifa
  
• Zidane and Vivi
  
• Bayonetta and Jeanne
  
• Inkling Boy and Girl
  
• Min Min and Ninjara
  
• Spring Man and Ribbon Girl
  
• Simon and Richter
  
• Joker and Morgana
  
• Luminary and Erdrick
  
• Terry and Kyo
  
• Steve and Alex
  
• Frisk and Sans
  
• Isaac and Matthew
  
• Shovel Knight and Shield Knight
  
• Saki Amamiya and Isa Jo
  
• Crash and Coco
  
• Jin and Kazuya
  
• Freddy and Foxy
  
• Yuri and Estelle
  
• Morrigan and Dimitri
  
• Ryu Hayabusa and Kasumi
  
• Reimu and Marisa
  
• Dante and Virgil
  
• Goemon and Ebisumaru
  
• Shantae and Risky Boots
  
• Banjo-Kazooie and Conker
  
• Reiji and Xiaomu
  
• Jill and Leon
  
• Ahri and Jinx
  
• KOS-MOS and T-elos
• Agumon and Gabumon

Solo Units:

• Rosalina and Luma
  
• Yoshi
  
• King K. Rool
  
• Ganondorf
  
• Tingle
  
• Samus
  
• Ridley
  
• Meta Knight
  
• Wolf
  
• Krystal
  
• Mewtwo
  
• Lucario
  
• Pokemon Trainer (with Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard)
  
• Robin
  
• Corrin
  
• Byleth
  
• Ike
  
• Mr. Game & Watch
  
• Palutena
  
• Olimar
  
• Alph
  
• R.O.B.
  
• Duck Hunt
  
• Rex (with Pyra and Mythra)
  
• Elma
  
• Dr. Eggman
  
• Pac-Man
  
• Terra
  
• Sephiroth
  
• Rodin
  
• Alucard
  
• Athena
  
• Master Hand
  
• Crazy Hand
  
• Bomberman
  
• Heihachi
  
• Master Chief
  
• Monster Hunter
  
• Arle
  
• Rayman
  
• Chibi-Robo
  
• Mach Rider
  
• Akira
  
• Arthur
  
• Wesker
  
• Sora

Boss Units:

• Bowser
  
• Giga Bowser
  
• Bowser Jr.
  
• Petey Piranha
  
• King K. Rool
  
• Dark Link
  
• Ganondorf
  
• Ganon
  
• Dark Samus
  
• Ridley
  
• Mother Brain
  
• King Dedede
  
• Meta Knight
  
• Marx
  
• Chef Kawasaki
  
• Andross
  
• General Scales
  
• Wolf
  
• Mewtwo
  
• Rayquaza
  
• Porky
  
• Blood Falcon
  
• Black Shadow
  
• Black Knight
  
• Robin
  
• Edelgard
  
• Rhea
  
• Immaculate One
  
• Palutena
  
• Dark Pit
  
• Viridi
  
• Phosphora
  
• Medusa
  
• Hades
  
• Wario
  
• Waluigi
  
• Ancient Minister
  
• Metal Face
  
• Knuckles
  
• Dr. Eggman
  
• Shadow
  
• Rouge
  
• Dr. Wily
  
• Yellow Devil
  
• Bass
  
• Zero
  
• Inky
  
• Blinky
  
• Pinky
  
• Clyde
  
• Akuma
  
• M. Bison
  
• Sephiroth
  
• Terra
  
• Kefka
  
• Kuja
  
• Father Balder
  
• DJ Octavio
  
• Rathalos
  
• Dracula
  
• Igor
  
• Yaldabaoth
  
• Estark
  
• Gruntilda
  
• Geese Howard
  
• Ender Dragon
  
• Neo Cortex
  
• Dark Emperor
  
• Master Hand
  
• Crazy Hand
  
• Tabuu
  
• Galleom
  
• Galeem
  
• Dharkon
  
• Freddy
  
• Foxy
  
• Glitchtrap
  
• Risky Boots
  
• Saya (Project X Zone)
  
• Xehanort

Enemy Units:

• Goomba
  
• Koopa Troopa
  
• Hammer Bro.
  
• Piranha Plant
  
• Thwomp
  
• Eggplant Man
  
• Lakitu
  
• Spinies
  
• Klaptrap
  
• Metroid
  
• Knuckle Joe
  
• Koffing
  
• Gastly
  
• Chandelure
  
• Petilil
  
• Cryogonal
  
• Rocket Grunt
  
• Starman (Earthbound)
  
• Mr. Game & Watch Clones (created by Shadow Bugs)
  
• Fighting Polygons
  
• Fighting Wire Frames
  
• Fighting Alloys
  
• Fighting Miis

This is a roster with the scope of an SRW game, which technically Project X Zone is a spin off of. But i never though of X Zone having a roster that big.

 

[SNEKeater]

I've seen a lot of people talk about how they hope the next Smash, or the Smash series from now on, just builds upon Ultimate and never cuts anyone ever again.

To those people I want to say... Please, if the next Smash doesn't do that, just stick to Ultimate. I really don't want a repeat of the Melee crowd wanting every single Smash game to be Melee again, until they realized that they would keep playing Melee anyway. If you can't go back to any game with cuts, you'll always be able to come back to Ultimate for whatever character gets the axe.

I know in a way it's inevitable that the fandom splits again after this between the people who blame every veteran for their most wanted not getting in and the ones that curse Sakurai's name because Young Link didn't return, but still. I can already see the fandom wars brewing and... Is it possible to be tired of something just by imagining it? Sure feels that way.

Personally I care about the new content more than the returning, and I know that I wouldn't even notice if a chunk of Ultimate's veterans weren't there. "Everyone is Here" was fantastic but it didn't come without its drawbacks and I'd be more critical of the shortcomings that would arise in any future entry that repeated it.

Same.

Like, I wouldn't complain if the next Smash game managed to keep Ultimate's roster, but at the same time that would mean less new content, including few newcomers. And that scenario again would be kinda boring.

Ultimate is a one time thing and I love the game, but I also think it kinda sucks how very few new stages we got in base game, for example. For me one of the exciting things of Smash is to see new content, and Ultimate's base content obviously aimed for bringing back all the characters in the series and most of stages, so there was little room for new stages and fighters. I don't really want that to happen again, to be honest.

Maybe it's because I would be okay with most characters being cut. Some of them are obviously not going anywhere for different reasons, but even if some of my favorite and most played characters such as Ike or Palutena got cut, which would suck for me, I'd be still be very excited for the new content.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Achievements have always been so... nothing to me that it just feels bizarre to treat them like a necessary feature.

They're not at all necessary, but I do like having them.

And ironically, a lot of Nintendo games like Smash and Pokemon already have them, it's just that Nintendo doesn't have a system-level account-based collection of them.

what if they get both final DLCs (+ the one bonus if there is one) out of the way... but also tease the next Smash??

That seems like it would undermine DLC sales.

"Why pay for this now when it might be included in the next game?"

I think its likely Nintendo/Sakurai knew there would be pushback against Byleth but figured there'd be enough of the FE fanbase/a subset of Smash fans to still make their inclusion worth it.

I think its likely Sakurai knew there would be pushback against Byleth, but Nintendo didn't care if there was.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Here’s my X Zone 3 roster that isn’t necessarily a “Smash Bros” one but does have some peeps that appeared in Smash in some form, and still feels true to PXZ spirit (including some new companies in limited quantities and no brainers from the base three companies of Sega, Capcom and Bamco)

deep breath

Well, here's what I got so far, including things I'm debating on including. No furries or excessively cartoony characters, I'll consider Splatoon safe. Some of the OG companies (Sega, Capcom, Bamco) may be downsized and new companies may be limited in new characters but that's to have as much diversity as possible and keep everyone equally represented as possible.

Spoiler: subject to change

Duos

Bandai Namco

Reiji & Xiaomu
Yuri Lowell & Velvet Crowe
Kite & Black Rose
Jin & Kazuya
Alisa Bosconovitch & Alisa Ilinichina Amiella just to **** with everybody
Lloyd Irving & Colette Brunel
Sophitia Alexandra & Cassandra Alexandra
Flynn Scifo & Estellise Sidos Heurassein
that SRW duo I forget their names
Alphen & Shionne (Tales of Arise)

Capcom

Morrigan & Demitri
Ryu & Ken Masters
Chris Redfield & Jill Valentine
X & Zero
Lady & Trish
Felicia & Hsien-Ko
Vergil & Nero

Sega

Joker & Yu Narukami
Sakura Shinguji & Sakura Amamiya
Arle Nadja & Tee
Akira Yuki & Pai
Zephyr & Leanne
Tatsuya Suou & Maya Amano (yes, give P2 more love than Atlus ever will)
ONE duo from Shinobi. JUST ONE. and idek who. use whomever has the coolest designs and moves ig
Someone from Shining Resonance Refrain, haven't played in ages so don't recall any names
Toma & Cyrille
Vyse & Aika


Nintendo

Pearl & Marina (MOVESET INCLUDED, COMING IN ANOTHER POST)
Chrom & Lucina
Shulk & Fiora
Byleth Eisner (male) & Officer Howard from Astral Chain (Female) YES THEY'RE COMPLETELY CLASHING AESTHETICS OF PAST AND FUTURE WHICH MAKES THIS PERFECT SCREW YOU.
Pit & Palutena
Elma & Pyra/Mythra (Pyra and Mythra swap between each other in some moves; in the Super Pythra transforms into Pneuma while Elma goes into her true form cause **** it she can)

Konami (NEW COMPANY)

Simon Belmont & Richter Belmont

Square Enix (NEW COMPANY)

Cloud Strife & Tifa Lockhart
Neku Sakuraba & Daisukenojo "Beat" Bito
YoRHa No.2 Type B & YoRHa No.9 Type S (...aka 2B & 9S)

SNK (NEW COMPANY)

Haohmaru & Nakoruru

Falcom (NEW COMPANY)

Estelle Bright & Rean Schwarzer

Combos

Dante (Capcom) & Bayonetta (Sega)
Ulala (Sega) & Haruka Amami (Bandai Namco) Y'ALL AIN'T READY.
KOS-MOS (Bandai Namco) & Aigis (Sega)
Captain Falcon (Nintendo) & Terry Bogard (SNK)
Chun-li (Capcom) & Xiaoyu (Bandai Namco)
Arthur (Capcom) & Gilgamesh (Tower of Druaga; Bandai Namco)
Bill Rizer (Konami) & Marco Rossi (SNK)
New Game Plus only T-elos (Bandai Namco) & Sephiroth (Square Enix) and not because I ship them or anything

Solos

Bandai Namco

Kyoko Kuremi/Alphamon
Milla Maxwell (wow I'm giving Tales a lot of love)
Siegfried Schtauffen (joins after Nightmare is defeated for the final time)
Haseo (.hack G.U.)
Valkyrie
Saya


Capcom

Phoenix Wright & Maya Fey (technically a duo but treated as a solo just like in 2)
Frank West
Leon Kennedy
Viewtiful Joe
New Game Plus only Albert Wesker

Sega

Segata Sanshiro
Kiryu Kazuma
Gemini Sunrise
Vashyron
Jeanne
Balder (starts as a boss)
Beat (Jet Set Radio)
Axel Stone
Crow (after being defeated for the final time)

Konami

Solid Snake
Adrian Fahrenheit “Alucard” Tepes
Cheryl “Heather” Mason

Square Enix

Fayt Leingod
YoRHa Type A No.2 (aka A2)
Eight (Dragon Quest VIII)
Yoshiya "Joshua" Kiryu
Kid (Chrono Cross)
Aya Brea

Nintendo

Min Min (**** it decided to make her solo)
Dark Pit
Samus Aran (starts in Zero Suit, equips Power Suit for the final attack)

SNK

Mai Shiranui

Falcom

Adol Christin

Bosses

Bandai Namco

T-elos
Nightmare (becomes Siegfried solo unit when defeated for the final time)
Skeith (.hack IMOQ)
Druaga
Saya (becomes solo unit later)

Capcom

Juri Han
Rathalos
Deviljho
Albert Wesker (FR how has he not been in X Zone yet?????)

Sega

Crow
Tohru Adachi
Dark Prince (Puyo Puyo)
Balder (becomes solo unit after defeated the last time)
Loptr
...uhhh crap what are other Sega bosses I can use? Can I maybe use Eggman WITHOUT Sonic?

Nintendo

Metal Face
Xenoblade X Spoilers Lao Huang
Malos
Edelgard FE3H spoilers
DJ Octavio feat. Callie (Callie later becomes a friendly NPC)
Octo Expansion spoilers Hijacked Agent 3 (male)
Akira Howard (Male, Officer Howard's twin brother who turns bad) Astral Chain spoilers
Medusa
Ridley
Black Shadow (hey it's more respect F-Zero will get than Nintendo ever will give)
Dr. Coyle

Square Enix

Sephiroth
Sho Minamimoto
Dhoulmagus (Dragon Quest VIII)

Konami

Grey Fox
Vlad “Dracula” Tepes
Pyramid Head
Senator Armstrong NANOMACHINES, SON!

SNK

Geese Howard

Falcom

Arianrhod

NPCs

Bandai Namco

Shion Uzuki

Capcom

Palico
Miles Edgeworth
Dan Hibiki

Sega

Skull
Violet
Oracle
Morgana
Ringo (Puyo Puyo)
Yosuke Hanamura
Rise Kujikawa
Teddie
Naoto Shirogane
Blaze Fielding

Nintendo

Tiki
Sothis
Dunban (Fiora alluded to him in PXZ2, why the translation called him Shulk is beyond me, she said "onii-chan" which clearly means older brother thus she meant Dunban)
Marie
Callie (becomes friendly NPC after defeated for the last time)
Agent 3 (male)
Agent 8 (female)
Spring Man
Ninjara
Lin Lee Koo
Tatsu (IF I INCLUDE LIN I HAVE TO INCLUDE HIM TOO. BE GLAD HE'S NOT ****ING BOZE.)
Rex (LMAO EVEN IN X ZONE HE GETS SHAFTED)
Nia (occasionally transforms into Blade Form for plot reasons)

Konami

Raiden (Revengeance)

Square Enix

Aerith Gainsborough
Shiki Misaki
Raimu “Rhyme” Bito
Yangus

SNK

Athena Asamiya
Kyo Kusanagi

Falcom

Joshua Bright

Name-dropped (mentioned by other characters but don’t actually appear in the story)

Heihachi Mishima (RIP his VO)
Cap’n Cuttlefish
Enzo
Barret Wallace
Balmung (.hack)
Melia Antiqua
Robin (gender kept ambiguous)
Tharja
Ribbon Girl
Twintelle
Labrys
Jena Anderson (Astral Chain)
Kogoro & Mii (they’ll never be playable again, but can be mentioned in passing)

Debating on adding

Compile Heart as a company (Neptunia, Fairy Fencer F)
Trauma Center/Team representation of some kind

wew that was loooooooooooong. i feel like some faves from 1 & 2 may be missing and no im still not bringing devilotte or neneko back hecc u

This is a roster with the scope of an SRW game, which technically Project X Zone is a spin off of. But i never though of X Zone having a roster that big.

Isnt PXZ technically the successor to Namco X Capcom?

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Imagine a Smash Cinematic Universe though...

With the human characters I can only imagine some based castings such as

- David Hayter
- Chris Hemsworth
- Brad Pitt
- Patrick Warburton
- Demi Moore
- Orlando Bloom
I could add on when I get ideas

Better off being an anime series honestly.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

While we're on the topic of Project X Zone 3, allow me to once again share my roster idea (it's still not finished, though):

Spoiler: Long list

Pair Units:

• Mario and Luigi
  
• Peach and Daisy
  
• Bowser and Bowser Junior
  
• Petey Piranha and Piranha Plant
  
• Donkey and Diddy Kong
  
• Link and Zelda (BotW incarnations)
  
• Sheik and Impa (OoT incarnations)
  
• Kirby and King Dedede
  
• Fox and Falco
  
• Pikachu and Eevee
  
• Captain Falcon and Samurai Goroh
  
• Ness and Paula
  
• Lucas and Kumatora
  
• Nana and Popo
  
• Marth and Tiki
  
• Roy and Lyn
  
• Chrom and Lucina
  
• Pit and Dark Pit
  
• Viridi and Phosphora
  
• Wario and Waluigi
  
• Kat and Ana
  
• Villager Boy and Girl
  
• Pearl and Marina
  
• Isabelle and Tom Nook
  
• Male and Female Wii Fit Trainer
  
• Little Mac and Captain Rainbow
  
• Shulk and Mecha-Fiora
  
• Snake and Raiden
  
• Sonic and Knuckles
  
• Shadow and Rouge
  
• Mega Man and Bass
  
• X and Zero
  
• Ryu and Ken
  
• Chun-Li and Guile
  
• Cloud and Tifa
  
• Zidane and Vivi
  
• Bayonetta and Jeanne
  
• Inkling Boy and Girl
  
• Min Min and Ninjara
  
• Spring Man and Ribbon Girl
  
• Simon and Richter
  
• Joker and Morgana
  
• Luminary and Erdrick
  
• Terry and Kyo
  
• Steve and Alex
  
• Frisk and Sans
  
• Isaac and Matthew
  
• Shovel Knight and Shield Knight
  
• Saki Amamiya and Isa Jo
  
• Crash and Coco
  
• Jin and Kazuya
  
• Freddy and Foxy
  
• Yuri and Estelle
  
• Morrigan and Dimitri
  
• Ryu Hayabusa and Kasumi
  
• Reimu and Marisa
  
• Dante and Virgil
  
• Goemon and Ebisumaru
  
• Shantae and Risky Boots
  
• Banjo-Kazooie and Conker
  
• Reiji and Xiaomu
  
• Jill and Leon
  
• Ahri and Jinx
  
• KOS-MOS and T-elos
• Agumon and Gabumon

Solo Units:

• Rosalina and Luma
  
• Yoshi
  
• King K. Rool
  
• Ganondorf
  
• Tingle
  
• Samus
  
• Ridley
  
• Meta Knight
  
• Wolf
  
• Krystal
  
• Mewtwo
  
• Lucario
  
• Pokemon Trainer (with Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard)
  
• Robin
  
• Corrin
  
• Byleth
  
• Ike
  
• Mr. Game & Watch
  
• Palutena
  
• Olimar
  
• Alph
  
• R.O.B.
  
• Duck Hunt
  
• Rex (with Pyra and Mythra)
  
• Elma
  
• Dr. Eggman
  
• Pac-Man
  
• Terra
  
• Sephiroth
  
• Rodin
  
• Alucard
  
• Athena
  
• Master Hand
  
• Crazy Hand
  
• Bomberman
  
• Heihachi
  
• Master Chief
  
• Monster Hunter
  
• Arle
  
• Rayman
  
• Chibi-Robo
  
• Mach Rider
  
• Akira
  
• Arthur
  
• Wesker
  
• Sora

Boss Units:

• Bowser
  
• Giga Bowser
  
• Bowser Jr.
  
• Petey Piranha
  
• King K. Rool
  
• Dark Link
  
• Ganondorf
  
• Ganon
  
• Dark Samus
  
• Ridley
  
• Mother Brain
  
• King Dedede
  
• Meta Knight
  
• Marx
  
• Chef Kawasaki
  
• Andross
  
• General Scales
  
• Wolf
  
• Mewtwo
  
• Rayquaza
  
• Porky
  
• Blood Falcon
  
• Black Shadow
  
• Black Knight
  
• Robin
  
• Edelgard
  
• Rhea
  
• Immaculate One
  
• Palutena
  
• Dark Pit
  
• Viridi
  
• Phosphora
  
• Medusa
  
• Hades
  
• Wario
  
• Waluigi
  
• Ancient Minister
  
• Metal Face
  
• Knuckles
  
• Dr. Eggman
  
• Shadow
  
• Rouge
  
• Dr. Wily
  
• Yellow Devil
  
• Bass
  
• Zero
  
• Inky
  
• Blinky
  
• Pinky
  
• Clyde
  
• Akuma
  
• M. Bison
  
• Sephiroth
  
• Terra
  
• Kefka
  
• Kuja
  
• Father Balder
  
• DJ Octavio
  
• Rathalos
  
• Dracula
  
• Igor
  
• Yaldabaoth
  
• Estark
  
• Gruntilda
  
• Geese Howard
  
• Ender Dragon
  
• Neo Cortex
  
• Dark Emperor
  
• Master Hand
  
• Crazy Hand
  
• Tabuu
  
• Galleom
  
• Galeem
  
• Dharkon
  
• Freddy
  
• Foxy
  
• Glitchtrap
  
• Risky Boots
  
• Saya (Project X Zone)
  
• Xehanort

Enemy Units:

• Goomba
  
• Koopa Troopa
  
• Hammer Bro.
  
• Piranha Plant
  
• Thwomp
  
• Eggplant Man
  
• Lakitu
  
• Spinies
  
• Klaptrap
  
• Metroid
  
• Knuckle Joe
  
• Koffing
  
• Gastly
  
• Chandelure
  
• Petilil
  
• Cryogonal
  
• Rocket Grunt
  
• Starman (Earthbound)
  
• Mr. Game & Watch Clones (created by Shadow Bugs)
  
• Fighting Polygons
  
• Fighting Wire Frames
  
• Fighting Alloys
  
• Fighting Miis

You've removed practcially all the cool obscure Namco and SEGA characters to fit in Nintendo characters i see every week.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Here’s my X Zone 3 roster that isn’t necessarily a “Smash Bros” one but does have some peeps that appeared in Smash in some form, and still feels true to PXZ spirit (including some new companies in limited quantities and no brainers from the base three companies of Sega, Capcom and Bamco)



Isnt PXZ technically the successor to Namco X Capcom?

Yes but it's been made official Robot Wars canon as a spin off since Robot Wars Moon Dwellers mentions the events of X Zone when Zanger and Haken show up.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Same.

Like, I wouldn't complain if the next Smash game managed to keep Ultimate's roster, but at the same time that would mean less new content, including few newcomers. And that scenario again would be kinda boring.

Ultimate is a one time thing and I love the game, but I also think it kinda sucks how very few new stages we got in base game, for example. For me one of the exciting things of Smash is to see new content, and Ultimate's base content obviously aimed for bringing back all the characters in the series and most of stages, so there was little room for new stages and fighters. I don't really want that to happen again, to be honest.

Maybe it's because I would be okay with most characters being cut. Some of them are obviously not going anywhere for different reasons, but even if some of my favorite and most played characters such as Ike or Palutena got cut, which would suck for me, I'd be still be very excited for the new content.

Idk but I think you can still keep Everyone Is Here AND have new content, if the next smash builds off Ultimate. Ultimate had a little less cuz it was bringing the Melee and Brawl vets that were missing back. But you’d have everyone there already in a perfect successor, just tweak what you got and you’d have more time for new stuff

 

[Hadokeyblade]

You've removed practcially all the cool obscure Namco and SEGA characters to fit in Nintendo characters i see every week.

Personally i would rather they add more obscure Nintendo characters in the same way there's obscure Sega and Namco characters in these games.

Like Henry and Isaac as solo units.

 

[Technomage]

You've removed practcially all the cool obscure Namco and SEGA characters to fit in Nintendo characters i see every week.

Hmmmmm, I do see your point; hopefully I'll be able to remember that the next time I formulate my list even further.

Edit: You mentioned "fit in." I must state that I didn't have a limit in mind when adding characters.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Yes but it's been made official Robot Wars canon as a spin off since Robot Wars Moon Dwellers mentions the events of X Zone when Zanger and Haken show up.

All we need now is X Zone to be canon to Smash. Ryu, Ken, Chrom, Lucina, Fiora, Bayonetta or any other new Smash peeps added to the next X zone could mention like Master Hand or the World of Light incident idk

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Better off being an anime series honestly.

Wouldn't mind at all, or CGI.

One day, CGI Steve will return...
Also, CGI Ryu when

 

[Shroob]

I've seen a lot of people talk about how they hope the next Smash, or the Smash series from now on, just builds upon Ultimate and never cuts anyone ever again.

To those people I want to say... Please, if the next Smash doesn't do that, just stick to Ultimate. I really don't want a repeat of the Melee crowd wanting every single Smash game to be Melee again, until they realized that they would keep playing Melee anyway. If you can't go back to any game with cuts, you'll always be able to come back to Ultimate for whatever character gets the axe.

I know in a way it's inevitable that the fandom splits again after this between the people who blame every veteran for their most wanted not getting in and the ones that curse Sakurai's name because Young Link didn't return, but still. I can already see the fandom wars brewing and... Is it possible to be tired of something just by imagining it? Sure feels that way.

Personally I care about the new content more than the returning, and I know that I wouldn't even notice if a chunk of Ultimate's veterans weren't there. "Everyone is Here" was fantastic but it didn't come without its drawbacks and I'd be more critical of the shortcomings that would arise in any future entry that repeated it.

A split in the fanbase is inevitable come the next game tbh. Maybe not as drastic as Melee's was, but it's going to happen.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

All we need now is X Zone to be canon to Smash. Ryu, Ken, Chrom, Lucina, Fiora, Bayonetta or any other new Smash peeps added to the next X zone could mention like Master Hand or the World of Light incident idk

Wouldnt surprise me if World of light is mentioned in a future X Zone game, since Namco's crossovers all seemingly take place in the same lore and Smash Ultimate IS developed by Namco.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

At any rate imma shill my PXZ3 ideas thread so we don’t get too off topic: https://smashboards.com/threads/project-x-zone-3-ideas.512727/#post-24330475

 

[Perkilator]

Who the hell plays smash with joycons?

* raises hand in embarrassment *

 

[Pillow]

Wouldn't mind at all, or CGI.

One day, CGI Steve will return...
Also, CGI Ryu when

I still don't quite understand why so many people seem to want a Smash movie/show/whatever. The vast majority of the characters don't even speak...it feels hard to imagine such a thing existing and not being completely cheesy.

Same.

Like, I wouldn't complain if the next Smash game managed to keep Ultimate's roster, but at the same time that would mean less new content, including few newcomers. And that scenario again would be kinda boring.

Ultimate is a one time thing and I love the game, but I also think it kinda sucks how very few new stages we got in base game, for example. For me one of the exciting things of Smash is to see new content, and Ultimate's base content obviously aimed for bringing back all the characters in the series and most of stages, so there was little room for new stages and fighters. I don't really want that to happen again, to be honest.

Maybe it's because I would be okay with most characters being cut. Some of them are obviously not going anywhere for different reasons, but even if some of my favorite and most played characters such as Ike or Palutena got cut, which would suck for me, I'd be still be very excited for the new content.

I can see it both ways. I'm personally in the camp that just prefers they add more characters though. Other than a few glaring design flaws in Ultimate (bad online, crappy buffer system, etc.) I'm pretty happy with the mechanics of Ultimate and it feels more or less like the franchise has been "solved" gameplay wise. Ultimate was especially impressive in its effort to balance so many characters so well. On the other hand, if a new Smash game comes out and it's missing a lot of the previous roster it would definitely get a lot of negative backlash. People complained when clone characters that few people cared about got removed from Melee / Brawl. Imagine how they'll feel when the next game comes out and all their beloved 3rd party characters are missing.

So for me, milking Ultimate for at least a good several years feels like the best outcome. Just print deluxe or ultimate editions like other fighting games have done forever, and Nintendo has a formula for success for many years to come and they can take their sweet time with the next installment and try their best to keep the roster as in tact as possible.

 

[subterrestrial]

believe it or not the roster isn’t the only thing that matters

smash 6 can be good even with cuts

 

[SharkLord]

My stance on the "Ultimate 2 v. New Smash" thing is... Well, how long can we keep building on Ultimate before it starts to get stale? You love pizza so much you wish you could eat it all the time, and your wish is granted. How long till you start getting sick of pizza? Well, that and me not caring that much about a large chunk of the roster but I've already addressed that. I'd just rather have something new every console instead of staying stuck in the past.

The other thing is that Ultimate is basically the pinnacle of Smash in it's current form, so there isn't much else to go roster-wise. I'd honestly prefer a reboot of the formula in general, just so the next game won't be stuck in Ultimate's shadow.

 

[Shroob]

believe it or not the roster isn’t the only thing that matters

smash 6 can be good even with cuts

It's not the only thing

But the roster is why we're spending soo much time on this site debating who the DLC is, and to that, the roster is a big, BIG part of Smash, big enough to be used as a marketing gimmick for Ultimate via "EVERYONE IS HERE".

 

[GilTheGreat19]

The game's called Ultimate for a reason..
This game will only either be equally matched, superior, or inferior to a hypothetical "Ultimate Deluxe"

 

[MBRedboy31]

A somwhat maniacal but also curious part of my brain wants to know how they‘d design a new Smash game with a launch day SFV-tier tiny roster. Would they manage, or at least attempt, to improve the depth of each character while maintaining ease of use? Would they focus mostly on modes?

 

[Shroob]

My stance on the "Ultimate 2 v. New Smash" thing is... Well, how long can we keep building on Ultimate before it starts to get stale? You love pizza so much you wish you could eat it all the time, and your wish is granted. How long till you start getting sick of pizza? Well, that and me not caring that much about a large chunk of the roster but I've already addressed that. I'd just rather have something new every console instead of staying stuck in the past.

The other thing is that Ultimate is basically the pinnacle of Smash in it's current form, so there isn't much else to go roster-wise. I'd honestly prefer a reboot of the formula in general, just so the next game won't be stuck in Ultimate's shadow.

I mean, it's always going to be in Ultimate's shadow even with a reboot, only after they build off said reboot will it not.


Like, I don't think it's a bold claim to make that the next game will be very "Melee vs Brawl" in terms of feeling, or worse, "Classic Paper Mario vs Modern Paper Mario."

 

[Hadokeyblade]

As long as the SEGA and Capcom stuff stays i'm fine with cuts TBH.

The game's called Ultimate for a reason..
This game will only either be equally matched, superior, or inferior to a hypothetical "Ultimate Deluxe"

Jokes on you, it's called Smash bros special in japan.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

As long as the SEGA and Capcom stuff stays i'm fine with cuts TBH.


Jokes on you, it's called Smash bros special in japan.

What would Ultimate Encore be called in Japan? Special DX?