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Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

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Faso115

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I know that it's a bit off topic but i honestly hate the argument that "this company did bad things in the past so they shouldn't get a character" to disprove a character addition.

Fam, most if not all companies that have a third party character here have done shady stuff in the past, should i point at the very obvious Konami doing bad things? I really hate that when people try to use "Activision sucks" in order to discredit someone like Crash for example. Yeah, i know they suck but i still want Crash dammit!

/rant over.
 

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When you think of potential Smash Bros. characters, what comes to mind when you hear/read each of the following:
  • Fighting games
  • Horror games
  • Cereal Mascot
  • Anime Swordsman
  • PapaGenos
  • Mii Costume
  • Most Wanted
  • Visual Novel
  • Fake Leak
  • 2nd Party
  • 4th Party
  • Retrofuturism
  • Adult
  • Mario rep
  • Thread game
In other words, what character do you associate each term with when it comes to roster speculation?
Goku Gt Dbfz (i never played non Smash/Dragonball Fighters)
Freddy/Baldi (i never played any Horror Games)
Nesquik Bunny (Nesquik has Cereal i like)
Ark
Geno
Adeline(kirby)
Dark Matter
???
Horror Kid/Bandana Dee
Magolor
Edward Elric
?????
Doom Guy
Toad
???
 

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I know that it's a bit off topic but i honestly hate the argument that "this company did bad things in the past so they shouldn't get a character" to disprove a character addition.

Fam, most if not all companies that have a third party character here have done shady stuff in the past, should i point at the very obvious Konami doing bad things? I really hate that when people try to use "Activision sucks" in order to discredit someone like Crash for example. Yeah, i know they suck but i still want Crash dammit!

/rant over.
I mean, if people were coherent with themselves then they shouldn't support more first party characters or even buy Nintendo consoles at all.

All companies are pretty much scummy, maybe some are more intelligent than others and know how to hide their **** better, but that's pretty much it. No one is your friend and that includes Nintendo as well.
The difference here is each one has a different library of IPs. And a lot of people will overlook or downplay the questionable things their "favorite" company does, while quickly condemning anything wrong other companies do.

"I won't support X company because of what they did/said!"
"Proceeds to support another company that has also done questionable things in the past"
 
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I mean, if people were coherent with themselves then they shouldn't support more first party characters or even buy Nintendo consoles at all.

All companies are pretty much scummy, maybe some are more intelligent than others and know how to hide their **** better, but that's pretty much it. No one is your friend and that includes Nintendo as well.
The difference here is each one has a different library of IPs. And a lot of people will overlook or downplay the questionable things their "favorite" company, while quickly condemning anything wrong other companies do.

"I won't support X company because of what they did/said!"
"Proceeds to support another company that has also done questionable things in the past"
But still Nintendo doesnt do terrible stuff and theyre not Creativly Bankrupt like Konami

I mean the Nintendo Ninjas are Dumb but Nintendo mostly doesnt mistreat their worker and Luckily Nintendo can never Erase Emulation Suck it Big N
 

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But still Nintendo doesnt do terrible stuff and theyre not Creativly Bankrupt like Konami

I mean the Nintendo Ninjas are Dumb but Nintendo mostly doesnt mistreat their worker and Luckily Nintendo can never Erase Emulation Suck it Big N
How many times does it need to be brought up that Nintendo is currently profiting off of genocide?
 

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But still Nintendo doesnt do terrible stuff and theyre not Creativly Bankrupt like Konami

I mean the Nintendo Ninjas are Dumb but Nintendo mostly doesnt mistreat their worker and Luckily Nintendo can never Erase Emulation Suck it Big N
Nintendo's hardware manufacturing has been linked to Chinese factories that use slave labor from Uyghur concentration camps.
 

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Guys

it is way too early in the morning to be having these kinds of conversations I just want to grill talk about the CSS for God’s sake
In that case, the last 3 games you purchased have their protags in Smash. I'll start.


Sakuya Izayoi from Touhou
Jill Stingray from VA-11 HALL-A
Yono from Yono and the Celestial Elephants
 

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Nintendo's hardware manufacturing has been linked to Chinese factories that use slave labor from Uyghur concentration camps.
You know the same thing applys to litteraly every Product in Existance also most of the Blame is definitly in Chinas Hand not in Nintendos
Of course they do. I'm just pointing out that Nintendo has their own skeletons in their closet and that they're not at all above these other "horrible" game companies.
I never said That only that Nintendo has probably less Skeletons lying in their Closet
to be fair, So does half the stuff you use
Thanks i thought this was Selfexplanatory everything uses Slaves from China so it Doesent Make Nintendo worse than Konami (or Others) although its of course still bad!
 

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You know the same thing applys to litteraly every Product in Existance also most of the Blame is definitly in Chinas Hand not in Nintendos

I never said That only that Nintendo has probably less Skeletons lying in their Closet

Thanks i thought this was Selfexplanatory everything uses Slaves from China so it Doesent Make Nintendo worse than Konami (or Others) although its of course still bad!
Yes because Nintendo had no choice in the matter when China just magically made Switches out of nowhere and gave them to Nintendo. Every major corporation is as ****ty as the next one, just because you like one more than the other doesn't mean it's magically less ****
 

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You know the same thing applys to litteraly every Product in Existance also most of the Blame is definitly in Chinas Hand not in Nintendos

I never said That only that Nintendo has probably less Skeletons lying in their Closet

Thanks i thought this was Selfexplanatory everything uses Slaves from China so it Doesent Make Nintendo worse than Konami (or Others) although its of course still bad!
...You realize Nintendo doesn't have to use factories that utilize slave labor, right? They're equally at fault.
 

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...You realize Nintendo doesn't have to use factories that utilize slave labor, right? They're equally at fault.
Believe me its ****ed up that nintendo uses Slaves but who provides them China Without China Nintendo Couldnt use these Slaves Also Maybe we Should Stop This please domnt ask me anything on this Theme Again
 

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...You realize Nintendo doesn't have to use factories that utilize slave labor, right? They're equally at fault.
That is easier said than done, I mean no one in the world want to spend their whole entire life making the same hardware over and over again, even the thought of that makes a salaryman glad (not saying that it's better to be a salaryman)
 

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In that case, the last 3 games you purchased have their protags in Smash. I'll start.


Sakuya Izayoi from Touhou
Jill Stingray from VA-11 HALL-A
Yono from Yono and the Celestial Elephants
V from CyberPunk
BOTW Zelda from Age of Calamity as I guess technically she can be considered the real protag.
Siegfried from Soul Calibur VI
 

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nothing changes topic quite like a ****ty leak

here's a leak i found i think it's real let's discuss
It has Thumbs Up Ken in it, it MUST be real /s

we all know how THAT worked for Cacomallow
 

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nothing changes topic quite like a ****ty leak

here's a leak i found i think it's real let's discuss
The model is so obviously taken from ORAS that it's not even funny.

Grovyle in Smash would be cool tho, and yes I say this because the Explorer games are amazing.
 

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The model is so obviously taken from ORAS that it's not even funny.

Grovyle in Smash would be cool tho, and yes I say this because the Explorer games are amazing.
I mean why is Grovyle always has been associated with the Mystery Dungeon games?
 

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Grovyle was a very important character in the fan favourite installment iirc
Why? And I mean what's that fan favorite installment specifically has when afaik, Mystery Dungeon game have 2 different versions that is basically like a traditional Pokemon game?
 

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Companies aren’t your friend, even if you like their content.

I’ve been over this before. Not to say this is the case with everybody who talks about it, but I really can’t help but feel like the stuff people say about Blizzard is misinformed, but also in the name of, “that is morally bad, therefore I must prove I am a good person to internet strangers by saying it is bad and that I do not want fictional characters in my wacky wahoo game”.

Like, I get it. It’s bad. You know what else is bad? Tables that schools use being made by prison workers who don’t get paid. It’s messed up! It’s bad! But does that mean schools should be boycotted? Of course not. It’s not the same situation necessarily, but it’s a morally poor method of bringing supplies to a school that people have a problem with.

It’s complicated when it comes to Blizzard. The developers, who have families to support and jobs to do, DIDNT agree with the decision. Are we supposed to just hate the whole company because of it? That’s more blind hatred and going with the crowd than actual activism.

The way business in the world works, it’s a no brainer move from Blizzard. Bad? Yes. Surprising? No. That’s how businesses work. They are not your friend, but treating the entire business as this boogeyman is not exactly the way to go either, in my humble opinion. Developers or IP do not share the same ideals of the heads of these companies. Tracer is a great character, and the overall concept of Overwatch is pretty cool in my humble opinion; a crazy combo of characters coming together to fight for good, and that anybody could become a hero (or villain, for that matter). To lump in the devs and characters because “Blizzard bad” is disingenuous and just kinda gives an immediate feel of “bad faith” argument.

It’s the same with Nintendo. Do people agree with their copyright rights (law)? No, but it makes sense as to why they take the actions they do. Are they 100% bad? No, because they have done other things (recently I believe supplied hospitals with gaming set ups or something for kids) that speak to a different approach.

Sorry for the wall, but I really, really hate the way internet/social media has created this trend where people say things for social media credit or just go with the crowd to beat up on companies when things are far more complicated. There’s little room for actual discourse. Call me a boot licker (I’m not a bootlicker btw) but things are far more complicated that I genuinely feel half these conversations aren’t what they appear to be.
 
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I mean why is Grovyle always has been associated with the Mystery Dungeon games?
Well, he's a main character in PMD2. And now, spoilers.
Grovyle starts as an antagonist that steals the time gears wich stops the flow of time in places. Eventualy, it's revealed that he comes from the future by Dusknoir, who also comes form the future and who tries to catch him. You help Dusknoir catch him, and when he's sent back in the future, Dusknoir throws you and your partner into the future too. It's because you originaly were a human from the future the helped Grovyle, and you were both trying to trvael back in time in order to stop the flow of time from stopping. And so, from this point on, Grovyle helps you doing many things, including going back to the "present", getting the time gears to eventualy stop time from freezing as a whole, and when you're in front of the finale dungeon, you fight Dusknoir once again, and after defeating him, a cutscene happens where Dusknoir tries to take you and Grovyle back into the future, but Grovyle heroicaly stops Dusknoir from doing that by sending himself and Dusknoir into the future. Oh and also this music plays

And he's also part of why PMD fans burst into tears whenever they read or hear "Don't ever forget".
 
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I mean it's pretty stupid of me to say this but what is Grovyle's whole story arc? :172:
At the start of the game, Grovyle's presented as the main antagonist. He's, apparently, trying to get all the Time Gears to paralyze the planet, heralding Primal Dialga. You try to stop him, but you fail, he keeps winning. In the middle of the game, it's revealed that he's actually a time traveler trying to stop the Paralysis from occuring once more, and a character who is thought to be good is actually the bad one trying to start it. It's also revealed that Grovyle was friends with the protagonist when they were a human (he was still a grovyle). At the end of the game, he realizes this is a suicide mission, if he changes the future then he won't be born. He continues with it, though. And unlike the protagonist... he doesn't come back until the pseudo-dlc side mission
 

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I already tried to Stop this I have an Idea how about a Cute Picture
Broken images are adorable. :p

The model is so obviously taken from ORAS that it's not even funny.
Well Min Min's model is from ARMS and Steve's model is from Minecraft so that actually makes this even more plausible. :4pacman:
 

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In that case, the last 3 games you purchased have their protags in Smash. I'll start.


Sakuya Izayoi from Touhou
Jill Stingray from VA-11 HALL-A
Yono from Yono and the Celestial Elephants
This last one is a tie between Mario + Rabbids: Battle Kingdom, Crash Bandicoot: N-Sane Trilogy, and LEGO The Incredibles. You know which one I'm picking.


Lego Darth Vader from LEGO Star Wars: The Complete Saga (yes, I bought it to mod it, why do you ask?)
The Hole from Donut County (which my sister completed entirely on the 26th)
Lego Mr. Incredible (Golden Years) from LEGO The Incredibles
 
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