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Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

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SharkLord

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I've been making this joke for a while when Kiran got their own Avatar designs. And while I don't think it will get a DLC character in Smash Ultimate, I do think there will be a Fire Emblem Heroes character in Smash Bros. at some point.

Lif would be interesting for a villain character, no doubt and he's got a pretty unique design and a kickin' theme song. But he's still victim to the main complaint of Fire Emblem Sword characters, whereas Kiran and Fjorm have a magic gun+summoning and lance+ice magic respectively and Reginn would be a Mech Fighter.
Reginn would be really funny, because she's one of the dreaded blue-haired Fire Emblem swordfighters... But she also rides a centaur mech with missiles and rockets, and could qualify for one of the most unique fighters if she was added. I almost want to see how the internet handles the paradox.
 

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Man, is Dr. Mario World doing poorly. Maybe we could get Dr. Mario added to Smash to help it out.
Eh, he'd just be Mario but with a half-assed attempt to make him stronger but slower and maybe he'd have the Melee moveset.
 

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If we add Dr. Luigi, would he be labeled a Luigi or Dr. Mario echo?
Luigi, but only if he has no unique attributes or different weights. Then he'd be a regular clone just like Dr. Mario is.

Dr. Luigi doesn't have the same bodyshape as Dr. Mario, so can't be an echo. ...Could also be a regular clone of Dr. Mario though. It kind of depends what they would use as the core base in this case. Development is odd.
 

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Also talking about Wii fit trainer reception, I remember Duck hunt being very poorly received too with the ESRB leak. I remember people even using Duck hunt presence on the roster as a "proof" that it was fake because "no way they would add Duck hunt before (insert fan favorite)". I think today he's way more accepted, but back in the day people hated the idea so much.
I wasn't as active around the time the ESRB leak dropped, but I don't recall Duck Hunt being a major upset from wherever I was lurking. The big scapegoat was (stupidly) Dark Pit, who people used as a means of complaining about Sakurai's bias and some retroactively deciding people didn't want Palutena anymore. Throwback to when Kid Icarus was the series people whined about until Corrin happened and everything flipped on its head.

I think Duck Hunt was pretty easily digested as the "retro" character. The line is a bit blurred in Smash 4 - both WFT and Duck Hunt feel more like "hardware" oriented shock characters, and Little Mac was treated as a retro in a sense (although I certainly don't consider him one), but I think a lot of people just accepted him as the once inevitable NES throwback character pick.
 
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Depends on who he draws from the most. Look closely at the Doctor Luigi Tornado; Is it an aerial or a special?
Now I’m just imagining Dr. Luigi having FLUDD as his down special for some reason and it doesn’t make sense to anyone.

Real talk, though, I can imagine him throwing the L-shaped pill packs from the side mode in Dr. Luigi as his neutral special, which move directly to the side and then come back to him like boomerangs (it‘d be much like Smash 4 Mega Man’s Shadow Blade custom neutral special.)
 

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I wasn't as active around the time the ESRB leak dropped, but I don't recall Duck Hunt being a major upset from wherever I was lurking. The big scapegoat was (stupidly) Dark Pit, who people used as a means of complaining about Sakurai's bias and some retroactively deciding people didn't want Palutena anymore. Throwback to when Kid Icarus was the series people whined about until Corrin happened and everything flipped on its head.

I think Duck Hunt was pretty easily digested as the "retro" character. The line is a bit blurred in Smash 4 - both WFT and Duck Hunt feel more like "hardware" oriented shock characters, and Little Mac was treated as a retro in a sense (although I certainly don't consider him one), but I think a lot of people just accepted him as the once inevitable NES throwback character pick.
I remember there were a lot of people angry about Dr. Mario coming back over Mewtwo as well (in those short months before he was confirmed as DLC). Ah, back in the days we had to worry about veterans coming back.
 
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In all seriousness, I doubt we're getting a Heroes character. Ultimate has been nothing but a perfect window for a FEH character, and instead we got Chrom as an Echo and Byleth. I can't imagine them caring about adding a FEH character in the next Smash more than adding the protag of the latest FE game when they couldn't be bothered to do it in this game when it was more relevant.
 

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I wonder if the next character reveal(s) will be during E3 2021 or sometime before/after. Probably during, if I had to make a guess.

Of course, then I'd have to wonder if my dream pick (Sora) would hypothetically be the second to last or absolute last reveal... If the former, then they'd have to drop a SERIOUS bombshell as the grand finale.
 

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So how could Dr. Luigi be an echo of Luigi, anyway? He doesn't even have the Poltergeist vacuum to use for grabs.
I wouldn't mind Dr. Luigi going back to Smash 4 era Luigi when I actually liked playing him.
 

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Or we could get Euden to help boost sales of Dragalia Lost...
Buddy.

If Mario Kart aint doing too hot when its got the face of videogames on it on top of the premier casual racing game on the most casual market in the world, I don't think a smash inclusion is gonna help Euden and DL of all characters.
 

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I wonder if the next character reveal(s) will be during E3 2021 or sometime before/after. Probably during, if I had to make a guess.

Of course, then I'd have to wonder if my dream pick (Sora) would hypothetically be the second to last or absolute last reveal... If the former, then they'd have to drop a SERIOUS bombshell as the grand finale.
Or our grand finale would simply be yet another newcomer with no special qualities... like it's been for the last five or so grand finales.
 

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Or our grand finale would simply be yet another newcomer with no special qualities... like it's been for the last five or so grand finales.
Yeah, I'd imagine the last megaton reveal of the cycle would be CP10. CP11 would be comparatively low-key, maybe mid-tier at best. In this scenario, it would be best to reveal them together at E3, to help cushion some of the end-of-DLC spite that CP11 would be getting.

Actually, they should probably just do that regardless. CP11 is gonna get slaughtered either way.
 
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I was always under the impression that Duck hunt was the weird/surprise character of Smash 4. First, becasue those characters are always announced last (Game & watch will be the last character you unlock in Melee, ROB was the last announced fighter of Brawl and PP was the final announced fighters of Ultimate before DLC). While Wii fit was weird and not predicted, she made a lot of sense in retrospective: she already had 2 games and the third one for the wii u was already announced. Duck hunt was also very rarely predicted, and most of the time he was discussed it wasn't very seriously. I guess you could consider in a way both Wii fit and Duck hunt weird/surprise character, but I think in retrospective Duck hunt is weirder.
Apparently, you seem to be correct, since Sakurai compares Piranha Plant to these characters.

" Rather, I believe it’s important to have a good balance as a game. In the past titles in the series, Mr. Game & Watch, R.O.B. and Duck Hunt Dog were some of the examples we offered outside of people’s typical expectations. However, if we don’t have these types of fighters, and we only had typical “hero/heroine” type fighters in the lineup, there’s not much difference. It’s probably not very interesting. Correct? "

So it's not that these characters are "retro", but it's because they are not often associated as heroes of their own franchises that made them stand out for Sakurai. Which could fit Wii Fit Trainer, though I'm certain remembering Sakurai choosing her for Wii Fit's success but I didn't find the source so I might be wrong on that.
However that doesn't necessarily mean that we are getting a weird character to finish Ultimate's DLC. Smash for Wiiu/3DS ended with Bayonetta. OK, sure, to an extent you could consider it weird that a character with guns, sexy and from a mature franchise was chosen to end the roster, or even argue that she wasn't even released that they already started planning for Ultimate.

Yeah, I'd imagine the last megaton reveal of the cycle would be CP10. CP11 would be comparatively low-key, maybe mid-tier at best. In this scenario, it would be best to reveal them together at E3, to help cushion some of the end-of-DLC spite that CP11 would be getting.

Actually, they should probably just do that regardless. CP11 is gonna get slaughtered regardless.
I agree. I believe that CP10 would be a third-party character -yeah, I know, patterns, but it's speculation-, popular both to Europe, the USA and Japan.
CP11 I'm betting on being a Nintendo character, and no matter who it is, people will complain that it's a waste of a slot. If it's a Mario, Pokemon or Fire Emblem character, that's too much. If it's from Wario, Yoshi, F Zero, Earthbound or Kid Icarus, outcry that they didn't need more representation. Arms, Xenoblade or Splatoon, that these series didn't need two newcomers in one game.
 

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I'm honestly curious when it comes to :ultluigi:. What would you change with his moveset?
A few things. I'd replace his Side-Smash from a flat hand jab to his Thunderhand ability from Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga, change his Dash Attack from Flailing his Arms to attempting to swing his Hammer from the Mario & Luigi games but keep the comedic aspect by having its weight force him into a front flip with a look on his face that shows it wasn't intentional at all that lasts about as long as his usual Dash Attack, though perhaps adding a High Launch/Damage aspect to either the first swing that throws him into the front flip or the last one where he lands on his feet with his hammer still striking for the final hit. I also think a cosmetic change could see Luigi's Green Missile move change to have him rocket using his Poltergust rather than just gaining perpulsion from nowhere..it could also Explode for the Misfire version, perhaps with a comical panicked expression for Luigi during it. This one isn't a move, but an idea for a fun Easter Egg, having Luigi get the Raccoon Leaf and giving him the Fox Ears and Fox Tail he receives when he gets the item in modern Mario games featuring it.
This is mostly because I consider the Mario & Luigi games to be almost as important to Luigi's individual characterization as the Luigi's Mansion games are. I also think both of those would help differentiate Luigi from Mario more-so while actually referencing things from the games rather than being just random moves.
 
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If it's a Mario, Pokemon or Fire Emblem character, that's too much. If it's from Wario, Yoshi, F Zero, Earthbound or Kid Icarus, outcry that they didn't need more representation. Arms, Xenoblade or Splatoon, that these series didn't need two newcomers in one game
And what will it be if it's from a franchise that didn't have a fighter? Literally who?

I doubt they'd double dip on ARMS or Xenoblade in the same pass though.
 

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Regarding the ESRB leak, Dark Pit was to Smash 4 what Dr. Mario was to Melee in terms of newcomer reception.

Yeah, I'd imagine the last megaton reveal of the cycle would be CP10. CP11 would be comparatively low-key, maybe mid-tier at best. In this scenario, it would be best to reveal them together at E3, to help cushion some of the end-of-DLC spite that CP11 would be getting.

Actually, they should probably just do that regardless. CP11 is gonna get slaughtered regardless.
At least there is little chance of CP11 getting the same level of hate Byleth did.
 

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At least there is little chance of CP11 getting the same level of hate Byleth did.
I don't know... Byleth is of course a Fire Emblem character so that was going against them, but unless another pass is revealed 11 will be the last chance, the final deconfirmation. I'd imagine a lot of salt coming out when so many people have their hopes extinguished for good. Even though that obviously isn't on the fighter, that bad mood will definitely influence a lot of people's thoughts.
 

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I don't know... Byleth is of course a Fire Emblem character so that was going against them, but unless another pass is revealed 11 will be the last chance, the final deconfirmation. I'd imagine a lot of salt coming out when so many people have their hopes extinguished for good. Even though that obviously isn't on the fighter, that bad mood will definitely influence a lot of people's thoughts.
Bayonetta didn’t get nearly as much salt as Byleth did when she was revealed and the rumours of a new Smash game only started picking steam a few months later. I’m not saying there won’t be some hate, just that there is a very high chance the character won’t be nearly as polarising.

Even then, it’s hard to find any character that would get the same level of hate as the 8th Fire Emblem character got as Byleth had so many unique things going against him that he was always going to get the same level of hate regardless of when he was revealed. Remember that we already knew there was going to be more DLC characters months before he was revealed.

Also, it’s important to note that :ultinkling: is pretty much the only newcomer character that got no hate when she was revealed and everyone else did, even the likes of :ultsteve::ultsephiroth: so the last character getting hate is par for the course.

Anyways, to move on, Axel Stone from Streets of Rage and Sol Badguy could make sense as Bayonetta-tier last character candidates.
 
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Or our grand finale would simply be yet another newcomer with no special qualities... like it's been for the last five or so grand finales.
No offense to you but I hate that people keep saying stuff like this. Like Bayonetta at least was definitely not “another newcomer with no special qualities” and that’s the only comparison we have since that was DLC too, which is very different from final reveals for base game. Not to mention: with how much Ultimate’s DLC has completely destroyed prior expectations, why do people expect it to be the same with this aspect too? Now yeah I may be wrong and it could be something very lowkey but. This is a very different situation from years past and while we shouldn’t get our hopes up, we shouldn’t be expecting something underwhelming either. Let’s have a little fun, yeah?
 

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Off-topic, but how come Daruk and Revali are less popular than the other two Champions?

Like Bayonetta at least was definitely not “another newcomer with no special qualities” and that’s the only comparison we have since that was DLC too,
The “hype” she got was less than the three veterans, Ryu and Cloud so she still fits the pattern of Smash not ending on a “high note”.
 
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