Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[DarthEnderX]

Oh, I always interpreted it as quietly waiting no matter how long lol

No, that's:

 

[3BitSaurus]

Well, I did some DLC ideas for my two most-wanteds, and included the Miis too. Might as well link 'em.
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An all-Touhou wave for Reimu...
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And a Falcom-focused RPG pack for Adol. I'd personally prefer if Lloyd lives, but I don't think we'll get two red-colored action-RPG dudes in the same pack.

Ngl, "The Smash Incident" is a great name for a Classic Mode.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Ngl, "The Smash Incident" is a great name for a Classic Mode.

1. find an invite in the mail
2. it has a wax seal
3. the seal has an off-center cross
4. June 12, 2021 The Smash Incident

 

[Rie Sonomura]

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ok thanks for the info

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For context, the Tegra X1 is the system-on-a-chip included in the current Switches (not the Lite I don’t think). It’s approaching End of Life (EOL) meaning it’ll soon be discontinued. Which would as per usual lend to the possibility of a Switch Pro/Super Switch reveal soon... maybe by this E3

 

[SpectreJordan]

Yeah, I'd imagine the last megaton reveal of the cycle would be CP10. CP11 would be comparatively low-key, maybe mid-tier at best. In this scenario, it would be best to reveal them together at E3, to help cushion some of the end-of-DLC spite that CP11 would be getting.

Actually, they should probably just do that regardless. CP11 is gonna get slaughtered either way.

If we get two reveals at E3, I could see the first being a big character with mass appeal (like ) & the second being a smaller character that appeals directly to the Smash fanbase (like).

If the CP11 isn’t a fanbase pick & something lackluster, then I think they’d save it for after E3. It’d be weird to start off the E3 Direct with like Crash or Sora & then end it with like Decidueye or BOTW2 Zelda. The second reveal would probably be a “One last thing“ moment like with Ridley & Banjo.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Gunner: Call of Duty Soldier

Call of Duty soldier? Are you kidding me?! Dude, Edward Richtofen is right there!

Perfect mii gunner!

So, throwing out something that I’d love to see everyone’s opinion on: in a scenario where your most wanted character gets in, what Mii costumes would you like to see included?

If it was Leon, I’d be down for the following: Ramon Salazar (Brawler), Ada Wong (Gunner), Lord Saddler (Swordfighter) Phoenix Wright and Miles Edgeworth (Brawler + the Steel Samurai Theme), and Dante (Swordfighter).

All that matters to me is monkey. Sgt. Cortez comes with monkey Mii costume.

 

[SKX31]

If Crash Bandicoot were to get in, then potential Mii costumes could include Activision and Blizzard characters, such as:

Swordfighter: Night Elf Warrior

Small correction: Night Elves in the WarCraft lore are not usually associated with swords - they're more associated with bow / arrows, glaives etc. That doesn't mean they can't use swords - one of WarCraft's main characters, the Night Elf Illidan (as well as the Night Elf Demon Hunter hero class) use warblades, so he'd be a possible choice if you're looking for a Night Elf warrior with swords.

But the Human Alliance / Undead Scourge (or Forsaken) are more prominent swordusers. Naming them because another one of WarCraft's main characters Arthas was a human Paladin who got corrupted into an undead Death Knight (eventually fusing with the Scourge's leader, the Lich King) by a cursed sword.

So, throwing out something that I’d love to see everyone’s opinion on: in a scenario where your most wanted character gets in, what Mii costumes would you like to see included?

Oh boy, my most wanted happens to be Valve's Dota 2. So that would mean potential ones are (assuming one of the game's more famous spellcasters is the playable character):

Gunner: Soldier (TF2), (Counter)Terrorist (CS:GO), Ellis / Zoey (L4D), Alyx (Half-Life), Sniper (Dota 2)
Swordfighter: Gordon (thinking of the crowbar), Spy (TF2) Juggernaut / Legion Commander (Dota 2)
Brawler: Heavy (TF2), Atlas / P-Body (Portal, only because Valve is overflowing with potential Gunners), Axe (Dota 2)
Hats: GLaDOS (Portal, needs a voicepack so GLaDOS Sans can taunt you mercilessly), Headcrab (Half-Life), TF2 / CS GO / Dota Hats.

Yeah, I'd imagine the last megaton reveal of the cycle would be CP10. CP11 would be comparatively low-key, maybe mid-tier at best. In this scenario, it would be best to reveal them together at E3, to help cushion some of the end-of-DLC spite that CP11 would be getting.

Actually, they should probably just do that regardless. CP11 is gonna get slaughtered either way.

Whilr it's very likely that CP11 will get slaughtered no matter what, I do believe that how (s)he'll be recieved gameplay-wise will play a perhaps larger than usual role. Partly because a lot of focus is going to be on "Lets hope CP11 is not another situation", and partly because there'll very likely be a long time until the next Smash newcomer (assuming no FP3 / Ultimate DX / whatever).

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Oh also, I think a Tracer Gunner Mii with Crash is a given

 

[SharkLord]

If we get two reveals at E3, I could see the first being a big character with mass appeal (like ) & the second being a smaller character that appeals directly to the Smash fanbase (like).

If the CP11 isn’t a fanbase pick & something lackluster, then I think they’d save it for after E3. It’d be weird to start off the E3 Direct with like Crash or Sora & then end it with like Decidueye or BOTW2 Zelda. The second reveal would probably be a “One last thing“ moment like with Ridley & Banjo.

To be fair, Hero's appeal was more or less limited to Japan, with considerably less enthusiasm in the West. Meanwhile, Banjo was more for the dedicated fanbase, but also seemed to enjoy popularity everywhere.

I also feel like you might be underselling the casual audience just a bit. People who know about Zelda and Pokemon see the big ad blitz, they see someone they recognize getting into Smash, they get excited. Hypothetically speaking, I think Nintendo could show off the first-party "shillpicks" and still get some degree of hype, since it's their own market they're appealing to. That, and there's a couple things indicating that Byleth was originally planned to be a TGA reveal, which seems to be treated in a similar category as E3.

 

[DuskFleur]

Mii Fighter costumes to coincide for a hypothetical Sora reveal? Hmm...

Well, I think that the Organization XIII coat (with the hood up as a “headwear”) is a no brainer, especially if it included other Organization character wigs like of Roxas or Axel. If it had to be based on a specific character and or exclusive to a certain Mii Fighter type, it’d probably be Swordfighter and based on the aforementioned Roxas or Axel, with their respective keyblades as the sword.
Other Mii Swordfighter costumes could include other keyblade users; any of them, really. And maybe Yozora? God, imagine him as a super tough Legend Spirit...
Other Square characters who cameo in KH could work too as Mii costumes. For example, Squall/Leon could be a Mii Gunner, since his sword is also a gun. Maybe Neku as a brawler?

 

[Louie G.]

That, and there's a couple things indicating that Byleth was originally planned to be a TGA reveal, which seems to be treated in a similar category as E3.

For what it's worth, I think there's a pretty clear reason Byleth didn't show up at TGA.

Although E3 isn't being presented to a live audience so there's a bit less risk at stake there in general... I wouldn't be totally shocked if they did have a character to tie into a game announcement there or something. But chances are whoever that would be is also not gonna be as polarizing as Byleth (unless they're a Pokemon, I guess - but even then, it's Pokemon).

 

[Guynamednelson]

For what it's worth, I think there's a pretty clear reason Byleth didn't show up at TGA.

Still, the trailer seems to be set up like they weren't immediately going to reveal it was a Smash one. Namely how it makes you go "yeah okay it's byleth just show his tagline already"

 

[Technomage]

Call of Duty soldier? Are you kidding me?! Dude, Edward Richtofen is right there!

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Perfect mii gunner!

Yeah, I had no idea about that character's existence, plus I'm no expert on Call of Duty. ^^;

Small correction: Night Elves in the WarCraft lore are not usually associated with swords - they're more associated with bow / arrows, glaives etc. That doesn't mean they can't use swords - one of WarCraft's main characters, the Night Elf Illidan (as well as the Night Elf Demon Hunter hero class) use warblades, so he'd be a possible choice if you're looking for a Night Elf warrior with swords.

But the Human Alliance / Undead Scourge (or Forsaken) are more prominent swordusers. Naming them because another one of WarCraft's main characters Arthas was a human Paladin who got corrupted into an undead Death Knight (eventually fusing with the Scourge's leader, the Lich King) by a cursed sword.

Interesting. Well, I'm going to change my Crash list to include Edward and Arthas.

 

[Idon]

Alright, I got yall:

Mii Brawler:

Mii Swordfighter:

And my personal favorite, Mii Gunner:

 

[Louie G.]

Still, the trailer seems to be set up like they weren't immediately going to reveal it was a Smash one. Namely how it makes you go "yeah okay it's byleth just show his tagline already"

Oh yeah totally. I've always been of the belief that the trailer was intended for a much different context than we got, whether it was TGA or a Direct.

I just don't know if Byleth potentially being planned for TGA would be a great point toward another similar character's reveal at a big expo like E3, because it feels like they explicitly opted not to show Byleth there after all. And I mean, regardless of how you feel about Byleth I'd say that was probably the right move.

To clarify my stance though, I don't really believe a character really needs to be a certain degree of hype to show up at E3, especially not at this point. If we've got two more lowkey and/or polarizing characters left one of them has got to show up at E3 regardless. So it could really be anyone.

 

[Otoad64]

So, throwing out something that I’d love to see everyone’s opinion on: in a scenario where your most wanted character gets in, what Mii costumes would you like to see included?

If it was Leon, I’d be down for the following: Ramon Salazar (Brawler), Ada Wong (Gunner), Lord Saddler (Swordfighter) Phoenix Wright and Miles Edgeworth (Brawler + the Steel Samurai Theme), and Dante (Swordfighter).

Adeleine Swordfighter, Susie Gunner, Daroach Brawler. Easy

 

[Technomage]

Other Square characters who cameo in KH could work too as Mii costumes. For example, Squall/Leon could be a Mii Gunner, since his sword is also a gun. Maybe Neku as a brawler?

I don't know about making his outfit a Gunner, since his gunblade doesn't fire bullets, instead it functions more like a vibroblade; thus, it'd be better for a Swordfighter.

Now if it were Lightning's outfit becoming a Gunner costume, that'd make more since, since it does fire bullets and has no vibration functions.

 

[Bobthealligator]

To be fair, Hero's appeal was more or less limited to Japan, with considerably less enthusiasm in the West. Meanwhile, Banjo was more for the dedicated fanbase, but also seemed to enjoy popularity everywhere.

I also feel like you might be underselling the casual audience just a bit. People who know about Zelda and Pokemon see the big ad blitz, they see someone they recognize getting into Smash, they get excited. Hypothetically speaking, I think Nintendo could show off the first-party "shillpicks" and still get some degree of hype, since it's their own market they're appealing to. That, and there's a couple things indicating that Byleth was originally planned to be a TGA reveal, which seems to be treated in a similar category as E3.

I do agree, a new character getting into Smash is a big deal. Everyone is debating who is and isn't an E3 calibre reveal, but a new Smash character is an E3 calibre reveal.
The TGAs is a much broader audience, you only have to look at the other reveals there for proof of that and a lot of them aren't too interested in Nintendo IPs ouside of Mario and Zelda, but Nintendo's E3 showing doesn't really attract much more attention than a regular direct and it's the same type of people who watch the direct.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I also feel like you might be underselling the casual audience just a bit. People who know about Zelda and Pokemon see the big ad blitz, they see someone they recognize getting into Smash, they get excited.

I really don’t think the casual audience would be excited by another Zelda. If it was someone like Skull Kid or Midna, that would be another story.

 

[SharkLord]

I really don’t think the casual audience would be excited by another Zelda. If it was someone like Skull Kid or Midna, that would be another story.

Hey, that's why they're the casual audience. See someone they recognize, get excited because they like the game. I'd imagine the casuals who stick around for the DLC would be pretty easy to please.

Then again, given that we've gotten content from the BotW subseries separately, like the Ancient Armor Mii and the AoC event, I kinda doubt we'll be getting an BotW2 character in general. That, and the fact that we've seen nothing but a teaser and all the first-parties in Ultimate are from games that are, y'know, actually released by the time they're revealed.

 

[ShrimpScampi]

So, throwing out something that I’d love to see everyone’s opinion on: in a scenario where your most wanted character gets in, what Mii costumes would you like to see included?

If it was Leon, I’d be down for the following: Ramon Salazar (Brawler), Ada Wong (Gunner), Lord Saddler (Swordfighter) Phoenix Wright and Miles Edgeworth (Brawler + the Steel Samurai Theme), and Dante (Swordfighter).

If Phoenix were a fighter, I tend to hear recommendations for other prominent AA characters as costumes, but I think in-universe mascot characters like the Steel Samurai (Swordfighter, using the Samurai Spear) and/or the Blue Badger (Brawler) would make great Mii costumes. Costumes for characters like Edgeworth would be cool too, but I’d personally love to see the mascots running around as Miis. Other characters who could fit would be other Capcom characters or other VN/puzzle/mystery characters like Layton or Monokuma.

Or Sissel from Ghost Trick, who fits both categories, and whose costume could be timed with a Switch port of Ghost Trick... please Capcom...

 

[Guynamednelson]

The TGAs is a much broader audience, you only have to look at the other reveals there for proof of that and a lot of them aren't too interested in Nintendo IPs ouside of Mario and Zelda

Yeah, I've had it in my head for a while that were purposely chosen as TGA reveals because they've been the most "non-Nintendo" out of all the FP characters we've had so far.

 

[Cosmic77]

Then again, given that we've gotten content from the BotW subseries separately, like the Ancient Armor Mii and the AoC event, I kinda doubt we'll be getting an BotW2 character in general. That, and the fact that we've seen nothing but a teaser and all the first-parties in Ultimate are from games that are, y'know, actually released by the time they're revealed.

At the very least, I don't understand why the AoC Spirits are an issue. Two of the three Spirits are highly unlikely to appear in BotW2 in any capacity because of the time and setting, so I'm not sure why them being used to promote AoC hurts BotW2.

As for the release date, that doesn't seem to be an issue for Sakurai. We already have examples of both characters and stages debuting in Smash before their game released, and given how long BotW2 has been in development, I'm sure Sakurai has more than enough to work with. I don't think the pattern of characters' games already being released before Smash means much either. Truth be told, there aren't many decent first-party characters that debuted after Ultimate. 3H, SwSh, Ring Fit, and Astral Chain are the only reasonable choices IMO, and the only way Byleth could've came out before 3H is if they made him the very first character in the pass.

 

[DarthEnderX]

So, throwing out something that I’d love to see everyone’s opinion on: in a scenario where your most wanted character gets in, what Mii costumes would you like to see included?

Nobody actually. But if Hayabusa gets in, I expect a couple of DoA Brawler costumes to come with him.

 

[RouffWestie]

So, throwing out something that I’d love to see everyone’s opinion on: in a scenario where your most wanted character gets in, what Mii costumes would you like to see included?

If it was Leon, I’d be down for the following: Ramon Salazar (Brawler), Ada Wong (Gunner), Lord Saddler (Swordfighter) Phoenix Wright and Miles Edgeworth (Brawler + the Steel Samurai Theme), and Dante (Swordfighter).

I don't care what the theme is or if there is a theme at all, ai just demand Valkyrie be included as part of it.

 

[Ivander]

in a scenario where your most wanted character gets in, what Mii costumes would you like to see included?

Mostly don't want a theme. I just want to see a Shovel Knight Mii Sword costume in general. Wonder Red for Brawler would be good too. And as mentioned, Valkyrie would be cool too.

 

[Brother AJ]

No, that's:

Why did you do this? Why?

 

[Megadoomer]

Alright, I got yall:

Mii Brawler:
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Mii Swordfighter:
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And my personal favorite, Mii Gunner:
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Which game is that last one from, and can you recruit it?

 

[SpectreJordan]

So, throwing out something that I’d love to see everyone’s opinion on: in a scenario where your most wanted character gets in, what Mii costumes would you like to see included?

If it was Leon, I’d be down for the following: Ramon Salazar (Brawler), Ada Wong (Gunner), Lord Saddler (Swordfighter) Phoenix Wright and Miles Edgeworth (Brawler + the Steel Samurai Theme), and Dante (Swordfighter).

For Master Chief, I’d go with an Xbox themed set:

The Arbiter (Sword)
Joanna Dark (Gunner)
Marcus Fenix (Gunner)
Fulgore (Brawler)
Doom Slayer (Gunner)
Ori (Deluxe Brawler with Restoring the Light, Facing the Dark as a bonus track)

 

[SharkLord]

We already have examples of both characters and stages debuting in Smash before their game released,

The only character who truly debuted in Smash was Roy, and that was all the way back in Melee. That was a lot less organized than SSBU's DLC cycle, and he he was meant to be an easy clone anyways. All the following promotional characters have been out for five months at the latest. I highly doubt we're getting another actual "Roy Debuted in Smash" situation.

Another thing is that when looking for a character from "A game people were playing at the time," we got Byleth instead of someone from a more recent game, like a SwSh Pokemon. Heck, they could've slotted a SwSh Pokemon into CP4 and had Terry at the end, since they both release in November. I think Nintendo's making sure their DLC isn't from games that run the risk of being delayed, since the apparent promotion wouldn't match up as well in that scenario. That's why we've never truly had a fighter who launched in extremely close proximity to their game's; Even Corrin had been around for a few months in Japan.

 

[CannonStreak]

Given what SharkLord said about debuts in Smash games, would any of you guys want to see a character debut in a Smash Bros. game before their debut in the game series they are to be from? Just curious.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

The only character who truly debuted in Smash was Roy,

You forgot the OC

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Which game is that last one from, and can you recruit it?

You can probably summon it but that's from the final Godslayer Training side mission of SMT4A that teaches players why Piercing is important

 

[SpectreJordan]

To be fair, Hero's appeal was more or less limited to Japan, with considerably less enthusiasm in the West. Meanwhile, Banjo was more for the dedicated fanbase, but also seemed to enjoy popularity everywhere.

I also feel like you might be underselling the casual audience just a bit. People who know about Zelda and Pokemon see the big ad blitz, they see someone they recognize getting into Smash, they get excited. Hypothetically speaking, I think Nintendo could show off the first-party "shillpicks" and still get some degree of hype, since it's their own market they're appealing to. That, and there's a couple things indicating that Byleth was originally planned to be a TGA reveal, which seems to be treated in a similar category as E3.

Fair, maybe I shouldn’t have chosen Pokemon & Zelda for my example.

Though, I do think a second Zelda could be underwhelming to the casual audience. But someone like Impa or Mipha might be exciting for them (... & myself tbh).

 

[SharkLord]

Fair, maybe I shouldn’t have chosen Pokemon & Zelda for my example.

Though, I do think a second Zelda could be underwhelming to the casual audience. But someone like Impa or Mipha might be exciting for them (... & myself tbh).

Yeah, maybe a second Zelda might be a bit confusing. Still, I do think we can get a more low-key reveal alongside a heavy-hitter. Hero wasn't as big in the West, Palutena is by far the smallest of the E3 reveals, Wii Fit was mainly notable for the sheer surprise of it all, etc. When coupled with the "less hype" final reveals Smash tends to do, I think that while we're probably gonna get a big reveal at E3, there's also precedent for a smaller character alongside them.

 

[Icedragonadam]

Given what SharkLord said about debuts in Smash games, would any of you guys want to see a character debut in a Smash Bros. game before their debut in the game series they are to be from? Just curious.

Alphen or Shionne so we could have the oldest Namco character and the newest Namco character in the same game as well as Smash's first 2020 era character.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

So, throwing out something that I’d love to see everyone’s opinion on: in a scenario where your most wanted character gets in, what Mii costumes would you like to see included?

If it was Leon, I’d be down for the following: Ramon Salazar (Brawler), Ada Wong (Gunner), Lord Saddler (Swordfighter) Phoenix Wright and Miles Edgeworth (Brawler + the Steel Samurai Theme), and Dante (Swordfighter).

Assuming Chorus kids is the fighter, I would focus on other Rhythm heaven characters and Rhythm game in general
-Karate joe (Brawler)
-Wandering samurai (Swordfighter)
-Wrestler (Mii brawler)
-Ulala (Space channel 5) (Mii gunner)
-Donchan (Mii hat)
-Cadence (Mii swordfighter) Comes with a music: Konga conga kappa.

 

[Gnateb]

For Chosen Undead (The three Dark Souls protagonists, and Solaire), I think it would look something like this:

Six (Little Nightmares) Made to be a Mii
costume. In addition to being a Bandai Namco published character, she's also on the Switch (in a game that was pretty heavily advertised). The concept of putting on costumes is prominent in Little Nightmares, so it's very fitting. I made her a Gunner because of that scene in LN2 where she shoots the Hunter with his own rifle, and because I needed more weapon diversity in this wave.
Mono (Little Nightmares II) Same as Six, but he's a swordfighter due to his frequent use of Pipes and Wrenches against foes in his home game.
Lloyd Irving (Tales if Symphonia) Bandai Namco swordsman, and last returning Mii costume. Definitely deserving of representation in Smash, in any form.
Siegmeyer if Catarina (Dark Souls) We need at least one Dark Souls costume to be here, and since the Sunlight Armor (Solaire) is already an alt, we'll go with the Onion Knight. I think he's remotely close to Solaire's level of recognizability, at least when it comes to Dark Souls 1 NPCs.
Nightmare (SoulCalibur) I think Nightmare, being one of the icons of the SoulCalibur series, deserves to be a member of this Bamco Mii wave. His use of a sword also helps.
The Knight (Hollow Knight) I'm surprised this hasn't happened yet. He seems like the perfect next stop for the "Indie Deluxe Mii" train, especially considering his obvious Nintendo and Dark Souls inspiration. This will give a Mii/Music bundle to the Swordfighter category, his track being "Enter Hallownest".

 

[The Rhythm Theif]

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Nintendo celebrates the original release of The World Ends With You on Nintendo DS. And of course, the sequel that's coming out in July.

So I guess this tweet confirms Neku is CP10, right?

Just because a game has a spirit event doesn't mean the fighter is confirmed just yet. We won't know who it is until the announcement drops.

 

[Gnateb]

I'm not sure if we're going to get 2 Square Enix characters in one pass, especially considering that Neku would be the fourth total. I could be wrong though.