Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[2006ToyotaTacoma]

And with that the book closes on Hayabusa's chances for this installment. My condolences go out to the Hayabusa fans.

Either way it doesn't really affect my predictions for the last two fighters, being Dr. Eggman and either Yuri or a Dark Souls rep. but then again I'll almost certainly be wrong lol.

 

[SNEKeater]

We got another one! Let's celebrate with Falcom music!

This would be the part where I share said music, but I'm kinda doing this on the fly, so...

Then I must share a few personal fave tracks of mine

 

[Speed Weed]

Damn

I know I was complaining about people jumping to conclusions based on vague interview statements a while back but uh.....oy vey, this one isn't so vague, now is it?

Really sucks, tbh. For as much of a reputation as he's gotten lately for being the "boring speculated character", he would have still been a ****in' great addition IMO, and seeing him get trashed so often for what I just mentioned always came across to me as a shining example of how it feels like, these days, some people base way too much of their opinion on a character off of how much they're discussed in spec instead of, ya know, the character.

Godspeed. Let us have one final Ninja Rap in his honor.

 

[DarthEnderX]

So THIS is how Spyro can win...

No, because his NAME isn't Dragon.

It IS how KiRYU can win though.

 

[AreJay25]

Yeah if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it's probably a duck. Shame about Hayabusa, I really wanted to see him make it in, but at the very least I'm willing to believe he's got a pretty god damn good shot for the next go around.

... Now if you excuse me, I'm going to go and hopelessly try and will Rayman and Sol Badguy into the last 2 slots, because I have no idea who the hell the last characters will be lmao.

 

[Gengar84]

I think we’re getting a double dip in the last 2. I could see it either being Microsoft or Square honestly and at this point I’d kind of be shocked if one of the last 2 aren’t Lloyd.

Well my two most wanted characters just happen to be another Microsoft and Square character (Battletoads and Magus) so I hope you’re right. Not that really expect them at all or anything.

I wouldn’t be upset with Lloyd but Velvet is my favorite Tales main protagonist so I’m really hoping it’s her if we get one. She has a cool and unique look and her move set is completely unique too. Her being female and not a sword user makes her more interesting than either Lloyd or Yuri in my opinion. Yuri was an awesome character in Vesperia and my second favorite Tales protagonist, I just don’t see him offering anything interesting to Smash move set wise. He also visually resembles the Fire Emblem cast more than both Lloyd and Velvet.

 

[SKX31]

I just don’t see him offering anything interesting to Smash move set wise. He also resembles the Fire Emblem cast more than both Lloyd and Velvet.

TBF, Yuri is the kind of madman who decides to punch people despite him having a sword, and he spins said sword as if he was a Jedi. That's why I fell in love with the idea of the guy being in Smash despite me never having touched Vesperia - he makes the completely impractical look like the most effective fighting style in the world.

And I'm basing this entirely on his PXZ2 appearance as well as few other vids.

 

[DanganZilla5]

It's hard to believe that Hayabusa is now dead.

Unbreakable Determination starts fading

R.I.P Hayabusa but I will never fully give up on him. There are still future Smash games for him to make an appearance in.

 

[2006ToyotaTacoma]

It's hard to believe that Hayabusa is now dead.

Unbreakable Determination starts fading

R.I.P Hayabusa but I will never fully give up on him. There are still future Smash games for him to make an appearance in.

Just comes to show how vulnerable even the most likely picks are; one of the most expected characters in DLC speculation just had the rug pulled out from under them.

 

[SpecterFlower]

If so, then I'd hope they at least bring Yuri as a PC in addition to the Lloyd cosplay.




Also, pffffftt, I find it funny that Smashboards' bots had to censor the composer's last name just because of the word it has in it. XD

Same happens for the trails in the sky acronym, ****.

 

[Deleted member]

You know it is interesting to see the news about Yasuda saying there aren't any plans for Hayabusa to be added to Smash, not because it means 1 of the most predicted characters for DLC is no longer viable to be DLC but because of the implications of DLC after Vol 2. Sure, maybe Hayabusa was never planned to be in Smash at any point, but it sure doesn't support the idea of Ultimate continuing after Vol 2 is wrapped up.

 

[SNEKeater]

Yuri looks more like the Fire Emblem characters than Lloyd, Velvet or other Tales protags? Well, yeah, I guess so. But that is for sure not a hurdle against him. Maybe in our eyes but Sakurai and Nintendo do not care about these things. They care about other things, as we know.

And maybe visually speaking he isn't as "crazy" as Velvet or Lloyd (even if it's because he wields two swords) but he definitely would be a very unique character. The combo depth in Tales isn't exclusive to other characters and Vesperia definitely has more depth in that sense than Symphonia (the 2 games I've played so far). Maybe not necessary to actually beat the game but the game has some crazy **** that can look like a fighting game sometimes:

And as SKX31 said he uses his sword (or his axe) in a very particular way most of the times, if someone cares about him using his sword in a very typical manner.

 

[BlondeLombax]

Well, I guess this song fits for at least a handful of us because of today...

 

[Rie Sonomura]

You know it is interesting to see the news about Yasuda saying there aren't any plans for Hayabusa to be added to Smash, not because it means 1 of the most predicted characters for DLC is no longer viable to be DLC but because of the implications of DLC after Vol 2. Sure, maybe Hayabusa was never planned to be in Smash at any point, but it sure doesn't support the idea of Ultimate continuing after Vol 2 is wrapped up.

Maybe cause said plans haven’t even been considered yet. Keyword being yet

 

[DarkFalcon]

If we get another sword character this pass I'm gonna feel really bad for that character's fanbase. Their moveset will be irrelevant because they'll be grouped into the same batch. Fire Emblem really traumatized people in Smash 4. Mainly Corrin lol.

 

[Technomage]

If we get another sword character this pass I'm gonna feel really bad for that character's fanbase. Their moveset will be irrelevant because they'll be grouped into the same batch. Fire Emblem really traumatized people in Smash 4. Mainly Corrin lol.

And Byleth was extra salt on the wound.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Hmm...

Maybe... a first party character will happen.

Or maybe it's just Crash and Lloyd.

Or maybe... Eggman...

Honestly I have no clue now.

 

[Deleted member]

Maybe cause said plans haven’t even been considered yet. Keyword being yet

At this late into the stage, I don't think Nintendo has any plans for content after Vol 2, and even if there are plans, it certainly doesn't sound like Hayabusa, and to an extent Ryza from Atelier, will be involved in them.

 

[ALongWistfulSquiggle]

Yuri looks more like the Fire Emblem characters than Lloyd, Velvet or other Tales protags? Well, yeah, I guess so. But that is for sure not a hurdle against him. Maybe in our eyes but Sakurai and Nintendo do not care about these things. They care about other things, as we know.

And maybe visually speaking he isn't as "crazy" as Velvet or Lloyd (even if it's because he wields two swords) but he definitely would be a very unique character. The combo depth in Tales isn't exclusive to other characters and Vesperia definitely has more depth in that sense than Symphonia (the 2 games I've played so far). Maybe not necessary to actually beat the game but the game has some crazy **** that can look like a fighting game sometimes:

And as SKX31 said he uses his sword (or his axe) in a very particular way most of the times, if someone cares about him using his sword in a very typical manner.

I always felt that Yuri's fighting style resembles Pit's more than any other Smash character. Lots of spinny blades with some martial arts mixed in. He'd play very differently, but I could see an animation or two lifted from the angel if Yuri got in.

 

[DarkFalcon]

And Byleth was extra salt on the wound.

Really says something that people reacted THAT strongly despite a..what? 5 year difference? Corrin absolutely traumatized everyone that even though most of the base newcomers in Ultimate did not use a sword, the moment there's anything resembling an anime swordfighter the universe shakes.

 

[Idon]

If we get another sword character this pass I'm gonna feel really bad for that character's fanbase. Their moveset will be irrelevant because they'll be grouped into the same batch. Fire Emblem really traumatized people in Smash 4. Mainly Corrin lol.

I'll keep taking them for as long as it takes the community to accept that it's not what type of weapon characters wield that makes them unique but how they wield it.

Anyways, Lyn for Smash.

 

[SNEKeater]

If we get another sword character this pass I'm gonna feel really bad for that character's fanbase. Their moveset will be irrelevant because they'll be grouped into the same batch. Fire Emblem really traumatized people in Smash 4. Mainly Corrin lol.

Dante and Sora would get less hate but yeah.

And if said swordfighter comes from a small/not very popular series, plus the fact we've only 2 fighters left... Yeah. That's going to be tough.

It's going to be hard for almost any character, but more for a sword user.

 

[MarioRaccoon]

Regarding Hayabusa, its a shame that koei tecmo will not get his playable fighter with the huge support they gave to Nintendo.

I believe that Nintendo has talked with lots of third parties in the past about putting their characters in smash. That would be include talks with bethesda and koei-tecmo. They may have a list of potential IPs to start serious negotiations when they will be required.

Give the potential rumors of Nintendo chosing an iterative path for Switch and that they are planning a soft launch (with game like confirmed BOTW2 and Splatoon 3, plus rumoured games like MK9, Xeno 3 and next Mario 3D) to promote next Switch revision (lets called it Switch generation 2). Its likely that they will want a new smash game very soon, probably somewhere by 2023. It’s impossible to develop a new smash game in less than 2 years so think they will just port ultimate (including FP1 and 2 on base game) with a few more fighters like maybe Hayabusa.

Then by 2026 or 2027 (3/4 years after Ultimate DX released and 1/2 years or less after third generation Switch) we can get a full new Smash Bros entry.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Really says something that people reacted THAT strongly despite a..what? 5 year difference? Corrin absolutely traumatized everyone that even though most of the base newcomers in Ultimate did not use a sword, the moment there's anything resembling an anime swordfighter the universe shakes.

Well with Byleth it was also being the 8th FE character, after a pass filled with third parties, done in a Smash only mystery direct, and with no other fighters shown off.

Basically, intentionally or otherwise, everything that could have magnified antipathy towards them more or less was.

 

[Dan Quixote]

aight one thing I wanna say. Whether you believe the Hayabusa deconfirmation interview is a lie or not is up to you, but some others I've discussed with keep saying that this is definitely truth because "he said it like 5 times in different interviews." I disagree with that, the guy can't help what he's asked in every single interview. He's not a politician after all

That said, this might really be the death knell for Hayabusa, and that is possibly one of the more disappointing deconfirmations we've ever had that came from outside of Nintendo. Ninja Gaiden just feels so RIGHT to be in Smash, I don't think anyone would say no to it. Well, I think he's still at least really likely for next Smash because of the good relationship with Koei Tecmo.

And on that topic, if we're not getting Ryu Hayabusa, then I don't think we're getting Koei Tecmo. If that's the case thennnnn yeah I'm thinking every FP2 fighter will be from Nintendo or double-dipping a corporation from FP1. They probably did all the negotiations for this two years ago and we never knew. I can see a Konami or another Sega fighter making it. Probably not SNK or Square Enix again. Maybe Microsoft if they really wanted Master Chief? Though I doubt it because Steve already came in this season.

 

[DarkFalcon]

Well with Byleth it was also being the 8th FE character, after a pass filled with third parties, done in a Smash only mystery direct, and with no other fighters shown off.

Basically, intentionally or otherwise, everything that could have magnified antipathy towards them more or less was.

My point is moreso I don't think it matters how much time passes anymore. 5 years from now if we get another Smash game people will continue to moan about swordfighters. Nobody can tell me it's solely Fire Emblem now. The argument always changes from Fire Emblem to any anime swordfighter. It seriously grinds my gears.

People point to some normal attacks looking similar as if fist fighters don't share several similar moves with their normals. I can rant about it all day if I wanted to. A new fist fighter with a Falcon Spike? YOOOOO so hype!

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

My point is moreso I don't think it matters how much time passes anymore. 5 years from now if we get another Smash game people will continue to moan about swordfighters. Nobody can tell me it's solely Fire Emblem now. The argument always changes from Fire Emblem to any anime swordfighter. It seriously grinds my gears.

People point to some normal attacks looking similar as if fist fighters don't share several similar moves with their normals. I can rant about it all day if I wanted to. A new fist fighter with a Falcon Spike? YOOOOO so hype!

True, but its worth noting that discontent towards sword users since Byleth like Sephiroth, Pyra/Mythra, (& technically Steve) was noticeably muted in comparison to the former. Even the disappointment towards Hero by some before that was fairly restrained compared to what se saw circa January 2020.

 

[Megadoomer]

And on that topic, if we're not getting Ryu Hayabusa, then I don't think we're getting Koei Tecmo. If that's the case thennnnn yeah I'm thinking every FP2 fighter will be from Nintendo or double-dipping a corporation from FP1. They probably did all the negotiations for this two years ago and we never knew. I can see a Konami or another Sega fighter making it. Probably not SNK or Square Enix again. Maybe Microsoft if they really wanted Master Chief? Though I doubt it because Steve already came in this season.

I could still see them going with some new third party companies.

At the very least, these two seem like reasonable possibilities.

 

[DarkFalcon]

True, but its worth noting that discontent towards sword users since Byleth like Sephiroth, Pyra/Mythra, (& technically Steve) was noticeably muted in comparison to the former. Even the disappointment towards Hero by some before that was fairly restrained compared to what se saw circa January 2020.

What's ironic is most of Byleth's moveset doesn't use a sword. It's mostly whips, bow, spear, or axe. Which then means the argument is shifted back to being fire emblem and not sword users...until a sword user is revealed. So the vitriol towards Byleth is fascinating because it's not based on the common sentiment I always hear, and leads to my point of the argument constantly shifting based on who the character is.

It isn't hard to be more restrained when Byleth was the peak of that argument. Doesn't mean it didn't exist beyond that.

 

[ShrimpScampi]

We got another one! Let's celebrate with Falcom music!

This would be the part where I share said music, but I'm kinda doing this on the fly, so...

I'll always jump at the chance to post Falcom tracks lol
Gravestone Struck by Lightning - Trails in the Sky SC
Inevitable Struggle - Zero no Kiseki
Cheap Trap - Trails of Cold Steel III
Dreaming in the Grimwald - Ys IX

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As you can probably guess by my music choices, I ****ing love Ryo Take****a's work. One of the best composers to have ever been in Falcom.

Actually, since you brought up Dreamy and Boisterous Holy Land, people found something really cool in it recently. At around 3:40, you can hear faint beeping in the background. Apparently that's actually Morse code for "SOUND TEAM JDK LUV 4 U SOUND TEAM JDK BE PROGRESSIVE 4 U". I love it when composers put little easter eggs in their songs like that.

 

[Guynamednelson]

My point is moreso I don't think it matters how much time passes anymore. 5 years from now if we get another Smash game people will continue to moan about swordfighters. Nobody can tell me it's solely Fire Emblem now. The argument always changes from Fire Emblem to any anime swordfighter. It seriously grinds my gears.

Yes, it is mostly an anti-FE thing. Too many people were excited about Sephiroth being in Smash to whine about his sword.

 

[SharkLord]

So going back to yesterday's Hayabusa interview talk. I found a new interview where he's explicitly deconfirmed by Yasuda. It's by Nintenderos, a Spanish website. I can speak Spanish, so I'll translate the quote:

"Finally, I can imagine that you get asked this a lot, but... Ryu Hayabusa is a truly iconic character and because of this there's many people who believe he should be added to Super Smash Bros Ultimate as a fighter. We know it's hard, but would you like for him to join the roster? We would love to see it!"

And that settles it. More than anything, it's just a relief that we won't have to drag this out until the end of the speculation cycle. That would be agonizing.

Funnily enough, I had some fittingly somber music playing when I found this. Not exactly Ninja Gaiden, but it works.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Yes, it is mostly an anti-FE thing. Too many people were excited about Sephiroth being in Smash to whine about his sword.

I mean one of the reasons people were disappointed about Byleth was that they'd hyped themselves about thinking that Dante was getting the slot, and his use of a sword is/was not exactly a secret.

 

[DarkFalcon]

Yes, it is mostly an anti-FE thing. Too many people were excited about Sephiroth being in Smash to whine about his sword.

I'd agree if Pyra/Mythra didn't happen. Sephiroth was exempt from criticism mainly because he's Sephiroth. THE anime swordsman in people's eyes. Fire Emblem started it 100% but there are always disgruntled people when there's a new swordfighter.

But again my point is it can be 5 years later and people will STILL go "ugh, ANOTHER anime swordfighter??"

People should just be honest and say they didn't get the character they wanted instead of that age old excuse.

 

[3BitSaurus]

Wow, uh... is this, what, interview number 5? In 2 weeks?

Seems pretty final to me. With this, the Tecmo frontrunners would be... Warriors or DoA.

...Yeah, I think Tecmo isn't that likely then. Warriors definitely has the size and history, and I have to admit that, even if I think the games are boring, Lu Bu's halberd and AoE moves could be interesting in a fighting game. But it is kinda hard to ignore the whole "historical figures/fictional versions of historical figures".

As for DoA... I really, really, really can't see it. If DoA gets a rep before bigger/more historically important fighting games like Tekken, SC, GG and even MK, I'm gonna start asking questions.

 

[TCT~Phantom]

Dread it. Run from it. Destiny arrives all the same. And now its here. Or should I say, I am.

I for one welcome our Bandicoot overlord over speculation.

 

[DarkFalcon]

I mean one of the reasons people were disappointed about Byleth was that they'd hyped themselves about thinking that Dante was getting the slot, and his use of a sword is/was not exactly a secret.

Yea exactly. The same people who get upset over anime swordfighters then want Dante. It's always been about people wanting who they want and not a specific archetype of character. People are fine with swords if it's a character they want.

 

[chocolatejr9]

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Dread it. Run from it. Destiny arrives all the same. And now its here. Or should I say, I am.

I for one welcome our Bandicoot overlord over speculation.

Didn't he get swapped on in Endgame though?

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

I think its fair to say rule of cool can be active for a lot of people who are not fond of particular types of fighters, unless they're unique exceptions.

Those not interested in FPS characters unless its a Gordon Freeman, a fan fairly meh about RPG figures outside Sora, or probably many that could won't put aside apathy towards retro characters except if Bill Rizer shows up.

 

[SharkLord]

We got another one! Let's celebrate with Falcom music!

This would be the part where I share said music, but I'm kinda doing this on the fly, so...

Good news: I've completed my SSBU X Ys concept and that has about 50+ Falcom tracks packed in there
Super Smash Bros. Ultimate X Ys | Fantendo - Game Ideas & More | Fandom
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