Inferno said:
Let's take this whole situation from the top shall we?
I gave you an RVS vote for an RVS reason. It was obvious I did that. Soup calls me a sheep and votes me and you decide to fly in and sheep him. On top of being hypocritical, you are trying to justify your vote as soon as you're called out on it. So my opinion on you is that I am fine with you dying atm.
For RF I don't care too much about them. They will do what they please and I will make a read on them when I have enough substance
1. How was I being hypocritical? I wasn’t simply “sheeping” Soup, as my reason for voting you wasn’t the exact same reason as his (I didn’t like how you ignored the content that we had and
only did something that was RVS, you being a “sheep” wasn’t one of my points against you).
2. Even if I was hypocritical, how is that scummy? Because it’s actually really not.
3. I “justified” my vote as soon as I made it. I don’t know what you’re getting at here.
I'll forgive some of the justification even though it admits to him sheeping that OMGUS.
I don’t think you know the definition of sheeping. Sheeping imples that I’m just blindly following, which I wasn’t. Also, it wasn’t an OMGUS (which in itself is a generic tell) because I wasn’t voting you simply because you voted me.
@Krystedez 190: Do you have any opinions on who to push? Because you definitely seem to have opinions on who you don’t want to push, but not really who you want to push. Not this is a bad thinh, but I’m just purely curious.
Also, to answer your question, yes, I have a fair amount of meta on J and Soup. I also think that I kinda understand how Swiss’s mind works, but I’m not confident on that one.
@John: Don’t like your 193. You say that you caught up, but you literally didn’t offer any insight into the situation. I admit that you’re not the best player (no offense), but I at least expect some content out of you. Also I don’t buy that Krystedez’ post is what kept you from posting your thoughts.
RF said:
Surprised there isn't more hate on Swords. Swiss said he'd rustle up a case when he could so....
Take it on faith kids.
Call me a skeptic, because I don't believe it. I've only made a handful of posts at this point in the game, what case could you possible have that would take time to make?
Soup said:
His first post had a lot of pointless questions and then he tried backing out of that fact saying that they were just meant to start the game up. When further questioned he gets really defensive and tells me that "Maybe you can come up with better questions?" and the alike. Overall his play hasn't been up to standard and he plays highly defensive.
1. I wasn’t “backing out of it,” as that implies that me trying to stimulate the game wasn’t my intention in the first place, which is was. It was you, after all, who asked me what my intention was in the first place.
2. I don’t think I was playing “highly defense.” I feel like you shot me down for taking the initiative, so of course I’m going to get defensive over that. Me asking you if you could “think of any better questions to ask” was basically the equivalent of me asking you “If you had any better ideas on how to get the game moving.” My response was appropriate given the situation.
3. What standard? Soup, you’ve seen the EXACT same play that I have done by others before. Is the only reason you think that it’s scummy this time is because I was the one doing it?
J said:
Has Swords ever been pressured/lynched before as town?
I actually don't think he ever has. The only game I can recall that I have done that to him is KvD.
Why? Are you just interested or is there another reason as to why you’re curious?
I was lynched in B&H as town, and vig shot in Code Geass (to my defense that was one of my first games, and only my second game playing with no newbie players).
Also KvD is the only game you can recall that I was pursued in? You forgot about Skies already J?
Soup said:
But what makes it different between the SMoth wagon? Why did you jump on Swords and not SMoth? Are you seriously telling me you did not have any reasoning at all to make the jump you did?
Also, read all of RF's posts instead of just one.
Actually Soup, why does this matter. I think you’re tunneling a bit here. What response do you honestly expect out of Inferno at this point besides “It was just RVS?”
@Macman: Why the Inferno vote?
Rake said:
how is inferno still breathing after trying to throw off suspicion on him by trying to subtley appeal to J by bringing up my apparant scumminess by way of posting it as a response to Soup is beyond me.
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Do you mean me? I don’t think Inferno posted any suspicion of you.
This is quite an accusation to make. Tell me, what makes you think that I’m trying to throw suspicion of off me, rather than just scum hunt? You do realize that you could say that about ANY push I make at this point, simply because I’m making it while being pressured?
The way I interacted with J was intended to be friendly (us throwing ideas off of each other and what, which is what J wanted to do with Clover). Nothing more.
Rake said:
first off this logic just looks terribad. It's pretty much 'oh this happens all the time, so i did it'. i may not be a boss hog mafia player, but it looks like the type of weak defence scum trying to look townie would try to pull.
1. You’re misinterpreting the logic behind it. I was simply saying that I was trying to get the game moving, and I was using outside examples to back it up. Just because a player is referencing things that other people have done doesn’t mean that they are simply relaying on an appeal to majority, which implies that the ONLY reason I did something was because other people did it.
2. This has nothing to do with your oringal accusation in your 129, which I was replying to in my 135.
3. Why does it look like it was a “weak defense that scum would do to try to look townie?” You need to back this accusation up, or else I have nothing to really respond to.
Also, I’m not trying to insult you here, but could you please start typing your posts out with proper punctuation? I’m having a hard time reading some of what you wrote.
Rake said:
second off: I do not see much of a reason behind you incessentaly asking other player's what you should be doing / should have done. idk if it's you trying to read people or just trying to look like your doing something.
care to clarify @Swords ?
I’m challenging their accusations against me. By asking them “What I should of done,” I’m trying to get them to realize that there isn’t really a “townie” alternative that I could have done if those situations.
Rake said:
I didn't really like his questions and his defence of them was especially lackluster.
As I just posted his reason was borderline.
His question to me about him and RF was just wtf for it's usefulness in my eyes.
He even admits some of them were just useless. The tone thing i pretty much summed up when I called Swords flirting with RF.
I don't see the point of expanding on all the nothing-ness but mainly when I was reading that it just felt there was salt between those 3 over something I wasn't here for, tis why I asked RF bout it. Best way I can describe their initial interactions is flirting, there's probably a better word that I can't remember but w/e.
I don't know how my 110 is defending him (i'm assuming this is the post you meant ? ) you can show me if I had another one. But wrt to :
Why didn’t you like my defense? Again I can’t really defend against this because your attack is ill defined.
There is no salt between me, Swiss and Ryker. I was simply poking fun at them. “Flirting” is indeed a good word to describe the interactions.
You defended me in your 110 by pointing out that in Raz’s game someone else did exactly what I did (RR). Did you not know that RR was town in that game?
Rake said:
Seriously.
WTF are you doing exactly Swords ?
Again, you’re not giving me anything to respond to. Simply saying “WTF are you doing Swords?” is not something I can really rebut.
@Clover’s 229: Same thing with Krystedez. You have opinions as to what wagons you don’t like, but not really what wagons you do like. You sound like you were discontent with RF and Inferno. Am I correct in this assumption? If so, please vote one of them.
Inferno said:
Oh and I just gave Swords 10wtf's for his vote jump on you. Cuz I don't understand it all. @Inferno
Again, my vote on Inferno was because I didn’t like that fact that it was RVS in the middle of actual content to go off of.
I want Swords to do something that isn't ask a circular question.
I think that if you observe my interactions with J that you would see that I already have.
Lol @ Rake from 243-254. Good job stealing a town read from me.
@255: No, not really. Again I was just trying to stimulate conversation there.
Kyrs said:
No one atm I have a lean for. Everyone is null. I want to take a stance, but not enough information. So far I'm particularly fond of pressuring Inferno for reads later on and see where that takes us. But for now I wait.
Eh? Actually don’t like this. If you’re fond of “pressuring Inferno,” then why wait?
Agree with almost everything in J’s 273, except for the null-scum lean on Inferno. Like J said, I’m not really getting any scum intent from it, and I think he genuinely believes that I’m scum from the way that he’s so aggressive about (skimmed ahead a bit and I saw that Inferno was still pushing me).
TB said:
The questions he asked in 101 seemed very forced. In fact, he admits they are forced in 135. If that's the case, why does he not address Smoth or me in his first post, when Gheb gets a question that's pure fluff?
A lot of the questions are useless, so why does it matter if Gheb’s question specifically was total fluff?
Also, I didn’t ask Smoth anything at the time because he haden’t confirmed yet.
^That's not inherently scummy in any way I know, but it does make me wary about his motives.
Totally agree with J's 160 in that there's inconsistency between the way Sword treats Inferno and Rake. Not satisfied with the way he addressed that either, as he never provides a reason for that inconsistency... basically says he missed it, even though later he says Rake's offence was worse than Inferno's.
Yes, I think that Rake’s jump was worse than Inferno’s jump. I just now noticed it then, and I didn’t have anytime to react accordingly (if you notice I went inactive after that post).
About my justification for my “inconsistency,” you either believe me or not. There’s nothing I can say to you that could convince you either way on this.
Disliking 176... He tries to preempt any questioning he might receive for his actions, with an AtE flavour to it, and it shows how conscious he is of how he is perceived by other players. His approach to RF's slot, even within this post alone, doesn't make sense - "WIFOMie thoughts" and is looking to see more before he makes a call, yet he still feels able to make a "if I had to pick right now" statement. Why state that you wish to look deeper at a slot (ie- past surface level), and then throw out a surface-level read? Just to appease J's question? Doesn't read genuine to me. Throw 137 in there as well - nothing about the way he approaches RF's slot reads genuine.
Asking whether he can still ask his question in 177 is just blatant posturing (again, too concerned with how he appears, etc. etc.). I'm actually shocked that he denies playing cautiously in 179.
Wow. The whole lead up to my 179 with my 176 and 177 was a joke dude, as I said in my 179. You’re looking way to deep into that.
The whole joke was that I was attacked after attacking Inferno after Soup, so thus I was joking that I would be "attacked" for going after Rake after J said that he didn't like the wagon. I was going to ask J the question anyways, regardless of what he said (I just knew that he was going to say yes).
Wrt my stance on RF, since it’s been some time, and things seem to have panned out more, I’ll explain my WIFOM thoughts, and why I wanted to withhold them.
Me said:
RF I have no idea about. He's being deliberately cryptic with the way he states things, and he's ignoring questions on purpose. This makes it very hard to read the intention of his action, which in itself is worrisome. He could either be simply trying to pressure me to see how I react or scum. Don't know which yet, and I want to give him some more rope to see how he carries this out.
I’m taking this from my notes. Basically, I wanted to see how “RF carried things out” because I wanted to see if he was simply pressuring me, or actually thought that I was scum. If I revealed that immediately, I feel like I would have been stepping on his toes. Kinda in the same way that calling a gambit out in thread deletes the purpose of a gambit.
Why did I give a “surface level read?” Because J asked for one. Duh. He asked me if I had to call it between him being town or scum at that moment, which is why I answered the way I did.
If you had a null read on someone, and someone asked you to call it between town or scum, would you’re answer be much different from mine?
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I started making this post at 4 pm, and shortly after a friend called me up and asked if I wanted to come over. I told him to give me a couple of hours, and well, it’s been a couple of hours, so I’m taking my leave here. I’ll try to finish my catch up tonight/tomorrow.
Right now when it comes to reads I have Soup, J Rake, and Inferno as town leans. John I don’t like. RF I didn’t really go over here but want to investigate more. Everyone else is null. That is all for now.
