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[T-block]

I read his demeanor as townie but I really can't read his poetry for ****. Show me where he did such a thing.

Exactly how I feel. Both parties look bad but I lean towards disliking TB moreso based on me not being able to fully understand Gheb's posts because they are hidden behind poetry. I liked his TB vote but I don't like his posts if that makes sense.

Getting to other things in a bit.

/lazy

Gheb should start playing and stop hiding.

EVERYONE READ THIS

Restating in green - he is talking about Sword here:

When all fingers point towards one
Then a misdeed is likely being done
When every player wants to lynch a target, it's probably a mislynch.
For when everyone blames the same one there is but one question:
Why aren't his friends there to defend?
To divert the blame to the other end?
With a push on somebody else, with a defense or a sound suggestion?!?
Because if the target is actually scum, a scummate would come to his defence, or redirect onto a different target.

Not only is this naive and a silly reason to derail a wagon in itself, but it's not even true. Off the top of my head, J and Clover could fit the role of scummate. Smoth, John, and Krys hadn't said anything about Sword, and could have been a scummate.

I dunno about the rest of you, but I want to know how he managed to justify this line of thinking. Help me get it out of him.

 

[Krystedez]

I would agree with "if everyone wants to QUICKlynch"...but no, not lynch.

I actually didn't like the Sword wagon. I am more concerned with Gheb's play like I said about intent. I don't know if you read that post TB.

I think it isn't justified at all. That's why I have my vote on him.

 

[T-block]

I read it. Please keep making strong stances like that. It'll help town out a lot.

Inferno, stance on Gheb and J in your next post.

John, do you enjoy being on vig lists every game? ._. When can we expect content from you?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

oh boy a phone post

tblock you misintpretede what i said, i read his demeanor as townie, and that based on both you that i disliked your ultimayum push and vote on him more than his reach on you. i asked for clarification based on how you were interpreting his poetry as i cant read it that great

id still appreciate if you did so

sorry if this is sloppy

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

couple more things i wanted to do but gonna wait until im on a computer, ill also tidy up that post ii made too

 

[~ Gheb ~]

So apparently the people in this game lack the brains to successfully read what I'm saying. Never was a problem in Upick Pokemafia or ERB, didn't expect it to become difficult here. You guys are whack ;_;

T, I don't care about what you think of the way I interpret the Sword wagon. Yeah, not everybody straight-up voiced suspicion against Sword but there was also nobody that truly questioned the wagon and the motives behind it. It's not that everybody had him as scum - but it surely looked like nobody had him as town at all [except the few people that haven't really posted]. I have plenty of experience in this game and I've seen Day 1 lynches of scum a lot and I can tell you right now that almost everything about this wagon does not imply that Sword is suspicious: the quickness of the wagon, the reasoning behind it, the amount of people *not* against it, ...
We've had a million of this sheepish-*** wagons where half of the town follows some garbage reasoning by an 'influental' player and then comes up with some BS fairy-tale excuse to join the wagon. Sword is town in my book for exactly that wagon: because 'everybody' [not literally everybody but virtually everybody who was actually playing at that time] had no issue with him being lynched at that time. That's not scummy reasoning from me, nor naive. That's the experience of somebody who has played this game far, far longer than you have - somebody who doesn't even bother dealing with half of the arguments against Sword because he's heard the same stuff in other games a thousand times before and it has also been wrong a thousand times.

The bad guy isn't the one who trips and has to eat **** in the public eye. The bad guy is the one who follows the crowd and slaps his vote on that guy in the most superfluous manner, just like you did. Now, things have changed quite a bit in that time and I surely don't like J either but I will still hold your behavior on the Sword wagon against you. Empty threats and BS wagon pulled out of people's ***** won't make me budge so easily.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Also, why of all games would you make a Walgreens reference? Have you forgotten about this game where I read the entire scumteam correctly and we only lost because you chose to not listen to me about SDO scum and Gorf SK? If you see any parallels between how I played back then and how I play right now you should actually stop suspecting me at once and sheep me on your own wagon!

 

[~ Gheb ~]

J, have you not learned yet to not push me on null tells? We've been through this garbage so many time and yet you still haven't learned it? How many times were it, that you found some dumb reason to suspect me and how many times did I have to start some AtE BS to crack the truth in your brain?

You're mistaken enough if you think my reasoning on T-Block is a read, but you're even more mistaken if you think that any of it relates to me being possibly scum. It's exactly the faulty reasoning that's responsible for so many mislynches: find something you agree with and conclude that you don't like it and then take the most sinister interpretation to make it look like a 'scumtell'. That's not how mafia works. You say I'm reaching but even ignoring that it's not true at all you fail to show me how it's actually scummy as opposed to wrong or something else.

Be realistic - how likely is it that Sword and I are part of a mafia team and that almost all of the town immediately caught Scumdancer [mostly based on his very first post] and everybody magically knew it's true even though most of the reasoning has been complete nonsense. How likely is it that I as his assumed scumbuddy would jump into his defense so doltishly to let everybody know "I'm his scummate!" that even Krystedez or T - by all means, not the brightest lights in a mafia game, no offense - would draw such an obvious connection? How dumb do you actually think I am?

Isn't it infinitely more likely, that I just think it's EXTREMELY fishy when everybody who was active at that time had no issues with people reading Scumdancer for ******* reasons and that I simply took issue with the fact that T's vote on him was the most superfluous of the wagon and that his so-called 'reasoning' isn't any better an EXCUSE than everybody else's reasoning on the wagon? People suspected Inferno partly based on how he was acting in regards to the Sword wagon but I fail to see how T was any different - he just chose different, more elaborate words to say the same 'nothing'.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

And yeah, I choose to 'withhold information' when I feel like it's better for the town. Does this look any better to you now that I don't 'hide behind poetry'? Call as much WIFOM as you like but what kind of dumb scumbag would out himself by openly 'withholding info'? The truth of the matter is that I always 'withhold information' as you call it - I often choose to not answer question if I consider them pointless at a time. It's not scummy. Deal with it.

You're mistaken enough if you think my reasoning on T-Block is a read

*EBWOP: 'read' should be 'reach'

 

[~ Gheb ~]

find something you agree with and conclude that you don't like it and then take the most sinister interpretation to make it look like a 'scumtell'.

Gorfdammit. Sorry about the typos, I meant to say 'disagree' here, not agree.

 

[Swiss]

Oh wow.

Yeah Gheb is scum.

Vote Gheb

 

[~ Gheb ~]

No Swiss, you are not cool and you don't have any advanced skills at reading people. You also really haven't done anything this game other than to push terrible reads. Please let Ryker do the playing as soon as he's back and has time.

 

[Radical Fiction]

No Swiss, you are not cool and you don't have any advanced skills at reading people. You also really haven't done anything this game other than to push terrible reads. Please let Ryker do the playing as soon as he's back and has time.

HAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA.

Yes Gheb, I am quite sure I am bad. I have never played well before. Oh goodness, gee. I hope one day I could be as good as you sir. I hear everyone respects you as a player.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU TURD.

Ryker, you know what Gheb just posted means, don't you? mfw I can predict the future.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

You're still not cool or impressive, Swiss.

And I know you know I'm not scum so yeah.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Really think we should lynch T though. Don't see why anybody still buys his push against Sword =/
Maybe J but idk I don't have anything concrete yet and maybe I'm just getting thrown off by him making the same mistakes he made in LoM. I don't like a lot of the stuff he did toDay though and I'll get into that as soon as people hop off my nuts.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Gheb the day I need to impress you is the day I openly remark about how much of a thoroughly decent guy Chibo is.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

Sworddancer. (2) - Inferno3044, Shadow Moth
Inferno3044 (3) - Яagnarock, Sworddancer., Macman
T-Block (1) - Gheb_01
Gheb_01 (4) - T-Block, Krystedz, J, Radical Fiction

Not Voting (3): John2k4, Clover, Anomandaris_Rake

deadline is july 18th 11:59 pm est

nice activity guys

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Exactly how I feel. Both parties look bad but I lean towards disliking TB moreso based on me not being able to fully understand Gheb's posts because they are hidden behind poetry. I liked his TB vote but I don't like his posts if that makes sense.

Getting to other things in a bit.

/lazy

God I keep reading and god dammit Soup, you keep saying what I want to say and it's like "Why do I even wanna post? Soup's being on top of things so far."

'Cept one thing, I'd lean lynching Gheb>TB.

J.
If you dislike TB more and liked his TB vote but disliked his writing style / posts
then why do you want to lynch Gheb more ?

I mean you have this:

What in the world at this point? This point is not true at all and what do you make of the others on the Swords wagon? How is your view only limited to TB and not people like RF and Inferno? After re-reading through your prose, I find myself actually disliking your TB vote and finding your points against as a total reach and not true at all. With this post/vote you just seem to be looking for an easy target on this budding bandwagon to make yourself stand out as doing something different then others and reaching for a reason to call TB scum.

What makes TB so different than others that he requires a vote?

Soup brings up a good point that I have been going into with this next post:

Originally Posted by Яagnarock
Also, doubtful that Gheb would hard-defend swords like this, I'd think scumGheb would just jump on the easier wagon tbh, I find it odd he attacked you on that sentiment actually and I felt he was reaching, what exactly made you a specific target besides the other people who have voted swords is beyond me. He may be a pain to read but is he worth the vote already and ignoring swords because of it? Do you really believe that they're possible as a team?

The bolded is where I agree and also where I got kind of "...Soup!" in terms of him ninja'ing me.

Vote: Gheb_01

But what else made you re-look at Gheb besides Soup's thoughts ?
And what have Gheb's recent posts done to your read on him

And if Gheb were going about this tactic you speak of, why not bring it against a player like me ? Especially considering my vote was scummier looking to some people than Inferno's was.

If Gheb answers your questions about the other people on the Swords wagon, would that change your view of his slot ?

@Inferno: What do you think of Gheb's push on TB and what do you make of the Gheb V TB interactions ?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Really think we should lynch T though. Don't see why anybody still buys his push against Sword =/
Maybe J but idk I don't have anything concrete yet and maybe I'm just getting thrown off by him making the same mistakes he made in LoM. I don't like a lot of the stuff he did toDay though and I'll get into that as soon as people hop off my nuts.

Gheb, what do you make Of J's push on your slot ?
Are his and Soup's interactions giveing you any vibes ?

Also: What do you make of Smoth joining the Swords wagon and how is the way Smoth joined it different than the way T-Block did ?

It would be appreciated if you could bring up both their reasons to be on the wagon and point out why T-Block's is more deserving of a vote / possible play for toDay.

 

[Inferno3044]

I think his push is fairly weak and some things of his being false. For example not everyone was for the Swords lynch. Soup actually got on my *** for whatever reason. J was against it saying he would lynch me over him. Also if you're talking about superfluously throwing a vote, he should be looking at Anomandaris_Sheep (no offense brah but this is what logic states). I honestly don't know how I should read Gheb.

@Gheb - what do you think of Smoth's vote on Swords?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Sorry, I didn't realize there was a question in that.

Inferno I care little about right now. If he's actually scum I'll find out sooner or later.
RadFic idk what to say about him yet. For how much he posted he hasn't said a lot, which I hope changes when Ryker gets his *** back into this. For now I think he hasn't given us anything to base a worthy read on, which by no means means it's OK to give him a free pass but I'm pretty sure his input is bound to improve anyway.

Regarding other reads so far: The Sworddancer wagon consisted of RadFic, Inferno, Smoth and T-Block ... that's a pretty terrible bunch of people to sheep at this stage of the game which confirms to be that the wagon is just bogus. Same for the wagon on me: T is suspicious, Krys is ... himself, RadFic is still not 100% in the game imo and J seems to be mainly pressuring me. Even with me at -3 the wagon doesn't actually feel like it's going anywhere.
Inferno wagon is decent because I think Sword is pretty townish so far, Soup hasn't done much wrong and seems to do pretty well so far and Macman's scumdar I think can generally be trusted. Just by looking at the people who are on the wagons I feel like Inferno is the only wagon that has merit.

Really wish people like Sword, J or Rake would join me on a T-Block wagon. Or that at least like Sword would do more to convince people of Infernoscum or something. I suspect Moth, Clover and John are going to continue to ... not do much so I won't put a lot of faith in them and hope Vig rids us of them.

Those are pretty much my complete reads on the people J asked me about.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Got ninjad here but I think my post answers most of your stuff.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

That's what I was saying above.

If Gheb was actually throwing out a superfluous vote it would have made a lot more sense to throw it at me, which is why I found his T-Block vote to be legitimate and not just picking someone out of the crowd to push on.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Gheb, I would be willing to throw a vote behind the T-Block wagon if you could explain what makes SMoth's apparent sheeping not worth a vote / possible lynch, and T-Block's does.

I am not sure you addressed it in your last post and it's possible you missed my question to you while responding to Inferno.

Here is what I wanted to hear from you about:

What do you make of Smoth joining the Swords wagon and how is the way Smoth joined it different than the way T-Block did ?

It would be appreciated if you could bring up both their reasons to be on the wagon and point out why T-Block's is more deserving of a vote / possible play for toDay.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Yeah, you're probably right about Moth ... the problem is that Moth is always like that and there's nothing you can do about it. You can pressure him and lynch him and punish him for all the stuff he's wrong for but he won't change because of it. And I might have given him too much credit initially but I really liked his J vote at first. His swing towards Sword was definitely lame and I wouldn't mind a Moth wagon either now that you mention it.

T on the other hand I can at least expect to give answers we can work with so I think pressuring him is worth the try and like I said earlier, I will definitely hold the way he joined the wagon against him. I don't want to let him off the hook so soon but if people are down to wagon Moth I wouldn't be against that.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Well between the two, is it your firm belief that a T-Block wagon would give more workable results than a SMoth wagon or are you saying both are viable and TB needs to be the first to the plate so to speak ?

It's actually sort of ironic how things have kinda come full circle to the possibility of another Smoth wagon.

VOTE: T-Block

 

[Radical Fiction]

>mfw Gheb thinks most of the ingame posts have been Swiss

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Well between the two, is it your firm belief that a T-Block wagon would give more workable results than a SMoth wagon or are you saying both are viable and TB needs to be the first to the plate so to speak ?

Both. Moth giving us anything worth working with would be miraculous. But I also think that's it's much more likely for T to be a scummy move rather than a dumb one, whereas in Moth's case it's impossible to tell - for me at least.

 

[Inferno3044]

Gheb do you know why there was a wagon on me? Look at the reasons for the votes, not just the players.

 

[Radical Fiction]

>mfw Gheb thinks most of the ingame posts have been Swiss

This is the hilarious part.

So Gheb, what would you think if I told you that Swiss was the one calling you town while I wasn't sold? I've poked around a little and have been warning about leaving you on that town status.

That being said, I'll throw you a bone. I'll put in the work and give you a thorough read. It really plays to your benefit that I still haven't seen Sword's long post. That kid needs to die. Would you back me on that one? For my convience, what are your current stances on Inferno and J?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

oh boy a phone post

tblock you misintpretede what i said, i read his demeanor as townie, and that based on both you that i disliked your ultimayum push and vote on him more than his reach on you. i asked for clarification based on how you were interpreting his poetry as i cant read it that great

id still appreciate if you did so

sorry if this is sloppy

Alright since i'm on a computer now this can be read easier. I read his early demeanor as townie based on how he was reading his poetry, in your post you mixed me up saying that I disliked his push on you, when I actually said the complete opposite, I disliked your ultimatum vote on Gheb. After talking with you for a period of time, I asked you to clarify how you were reading Gheb's poetry, and show me where he made up Swords' defense.

One more thing: Unvote I'm not getting what I want wrt Inferno and I'm not going to push the issue further.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

EBWOP: Then I had dyslexia. how I was reading his poetry*

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Sworddancer. (2) - Inferno3044, Shadow Moth
Inferno3044 (3) - Яagnarock, Sworddancer., Macman
T-Block (1) - Gheb_01
Gheb_01 (4) - T-Block, Krystedz, J, Radical Fiction

Not Voting (3): John2k4, Clover, Anomandaris_Rake

deadline is july 18th 11:59 pm est

nice activity guys

*Looks at votecount*

Vote: John2k4

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

None of the wagons interest me, I wanted to stay on Inferno but I feel it's old news and I was stretching my RVS point, I'm not gonna deny that I can be wrong. I want John because I really dislike his use of excuses and lack of activity, I would honestly expect John to post more regardless if he had a gauging opinion or not.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Gheb do you know why there was a wagon on me? Look at the reasons for the votes, not just the players.

I know why there's a wagon on you and I feel to say how the reasoning is any more convincing than my points on T. I just say that the people who wagon you are the one's I currently trust more than the people who wagon Sword.

So Gheb, what would you think if I told you that Swiss was the one calling you town while I wasn't sold? I've poked around a little and have been warning about leaving you on that town status.

I literally don't give a damn. I assumed it was Swiss talking because of the time of the posts and because he posted off hydra once. You can poke me and do whatever you want. The only reason I'd want you to know I'm town [which I'm still convinced to be the case] is because I may need your support for my pushes in the future. I don't care if you trust me or agree with my pushes otherwise.

That being said, I'll throw you a bone. I'll put in the work and give you a thorough read. It really plays to your benefit that I still haven't seen Sword's long post. That kid needs to die. Would you back me on that one? For my convience, what are your current stances on Inferno and J?

I mean, if you actually can give me a convincing post about how Sword is scum and 'needs to die' then by all means go for it. However, be warned that it takes a lot to convince me considering Sword is like the player I feel most confortable reading in this roster. Even when I was scum I could read indySword in FFT - once my read on him is solidified chances that I'll change my read on him are really small. If you really need to convince me that Sword is scum then it has to be something REALLY convincing ... otherwise you might as well give up on buying me for it.

 

[Radical Fiction]

John, Gheb, Sword can work.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Don't ignore the last sentence, Gheb.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Inferno I care little about right now. If he's actually scum I'll find out sooner or later.

[...]

Inferno wagon is decent because I think Sword is pretty townish so far, Soup hasn't done much wrong and seems to do pretty well so far and Macman's scumdar I think can generally be trusted. Just by looking at the people who are on the wagons I feel like Inferno is the only wagon that has merit.

Don't think Inferno is scum.
J I'm waiting on his reactions to my responses. I'm really undecided about him.

Also, you're dumb if you think Sword or I are plays.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Be realistic - how likely is it that Sword and I are part of a mafia team and that almost all of the town immediately caught Scumdancer [mostly based on his very first post] and everybody magically knew it's true even though most of the reasoning has been complete nonsense. How likely is it that I as his assumed scumbuddy would jump into his defense so doltishly to let everybody know "I'm his scummate!" that even Krystedez or T - by all means, not the brightest lights in a mafia game, no offense - would draw such an obvious connection? How dumb do you actually think I am?

Really dislike this paragraph from you Gheb, you're focusing on one issue and turning it into a bigger problem then what it actually was, I don't understand why you go into super-defense mode over two people with a different opinion, regardless of yours. You think Swords is town on a reach, and that reach delves into why you scum-read T-block. You're also trying really hard to discredit someone instead of working with them.

You're mistaken enough if you think my reasoning on T-Block is a read, but you're even more mistaken if you think that any of it relates to me being possibly scum. It's exactly the faulty reasoning that's responsible for so many mislynches: find something you agree with and conclude that you don't like it and then take the most sinister interpretation to make it look like a 'scumtell'. That's not how mafia works. You say I'm reaching but even ignoring that it's not true at all you fail to show me how it's actually scummy as opposed to wrong or something else.

But what specifically made T-block the issue here? You're just telling me something you prattled on about earlier.

Really wish people like Sword, J or Rake would join me on a T-Block wagon. Or that at least like Sword would do more to convince people of Infernoscum or something. I suspect Moth, Clover and John are going to continue to ... not do much so I won't put a lot of faith in them and hope Vig rids us of them.

There is no magical Vig, I still don't understand why T-block is such a huge issue.

The Sworddancer wagon consisted of RadFic, Inferno, Smoth and T-Block ... that's a pretty terrible bunch of people to sheep at this stage of the game which confirms to be that the wagon is just bogus. Same for the wagon on me:

Gheb, I really feel like you're trying too hard to scratch every surface of one little point you made to make it seem legitimate, I've seen you try to discredit T-block and others in one post then push that point further just calling everyone your wagon Sheep. Why does this matter? Why does this make your wagon wrong?

Really think we should lynch T though. Don't see why anybody still buys his push against Sword =/
Maybe J but idk I don't have anything concrete yet and maybe I'm just getting thrown off by him making the same mistakes he made in LoM. I don't like a lot of the stuff he did toDay though and I'll get into that as soon as people hop off my nuts.

I still fail to see how it's any different from anyone else's push and why T-block is special comparative to everyone else you have referenced, at least give me that reasoning instead of repeating yourself multiple times.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Also, you're dumb if you think Sword or I are plays.

This was both productive and informative.