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Discussion on Frigate Orpheon
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SpongeBathBill
Smash Ace
I can live with it or without it. The sudden changes in layout add a little interest, I suppose. They can also end up getting kills, of course, but aren't anything especially gamebreaking. Pretty straightforward imho.
Vect0r
Smash Journeyman
It's a nice stage, definitely better than Norfair IMO.
i like frigate....its my counterpick for snake users....
Lord Chair
Smash Master
It's a threat.
inb4 'learn teh savespots'
No, you cannot always be on the place you wish to be. That's how this game works, in a game of pressuring/zoning/spacing/stuff you cannot be at one of the savespots all the time. Too often you just got blasted towards one of the 'dangerspots' and you just couldn't help it unless you would have DIed in a lame trajectory.
As for the nonexistent ledge you sometimes have to face: it hurts. Really badly.
The stage itself isn't that much of a deal, there's too little stages with the setup anyway and it's a fun break from all the flatness you have to deal with on most other stages.
Sosuke
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This stage is ok until it flips.
No ledge on the left side is dumb. It doesn't help with that platform that goes up and down.
That random platform that comes from the sides is dumb.
The flip is sooo dumb because it messes up stage control and sets up a new one and bahhh. Forcing your opponent into a bad position is all that parts about, unless both of you decide to go "neutral".
No ledge on the left side is dumb. It doesn't help with that platform that goes up and down.
That random platform that comes from the sides is dumb.
The flip is sooo dumb because it messes up stage control and sets up a new one and bahhh. Forcing your opponent into a bad position is all that parts about, unless both of you decide to go "neutral".
Lord Chair
Smash Master
Mythic02
Smash Journeyman
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I like frigate, it's a bit interesting. The Layout is quite a bit different than most other stages. I don't know why, but I'm very lucky on this stage. I've only been caught under the stage once or ttwice, and it's never killed me. I haven't even bothered memorizing any safespots. I really like this stage.
Noobicidal
Smash Master
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Fixed. The lack of a ledge makes Ganon cry.
Well, I personally like it. Adds a bit of variety, and good for casual matches. As with lots of other people, the lack of ledge on the left side (or was it the right one? I forgot, haven't played it in a while.) is quite annoying, and can screw up people with tether recoveries.
Overall though, it's a rather nice stage. The flip CAN be lethal, but it just depends on how you and your opponent react to it.
Overall though, it's a rather nice stage. The flip CAN be lethal, but it just depends on how you and your opponent react to it.
Noobicidal
Smash Master
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Alright, let's try this again...
Noobicidal
Smash Master
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You don't have to do that. The point remains that gay (no)ledge is gay.
AranOcean
Smash Ace
qft.
10qfts.
Mag!c
Smash Apprentice
Great ROB counterpick stage, and the giant monster in the background is cool eye candy.
TEECO
Smash Ace
Olimar does exceptionally well on this stage.
All chracters with bad recoveries do!
Umm no, But this stage is awesome.
The only part that gets on my nerves is the center of the stage on the second transformation because of the slants.
All chracters with bad recoveries do!
Umm no, But this stage is awesome.
The only part that gets on my nerves is the center of the stage on the second transformation because of the slants.
ssbbFICTION
Smash Champion
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Can someone make 2 diagrams of the danger zones for stage flipping on this stage? and the exact directions the stage flips?
Remzi
formerly VaBengal
This stage should be banned.
demonictoonlink
Smash Master
Bull****... CP is fine
number1ricky
Smash Cadet
This is one of my favorite levels! It doesn't have a lot, it's a small stage, yet a lot of cool stuff can happen on it 
Stage fliping never seems to harm me to much, but that's cause I always migrate to the middle
I never have trouble recovering, learn where the edges are~!
Stage fliping never seems to harm me to much, but that's cause I always migrate to the middle
I never have trouble recovering, learn where the edges are~!
Lord Chair
Smash Master
Usually on the sides, and if you get stuck with no ledge it doesn't really help memorizing.
"Oh I see, I have no ledge! Now I can suddenly make it make back on-stage!"
Rudementry
Smash Journeyman
The stage flip is cheap and doesn't give sufficient or ample warning. I've lost a life to it in tourney simply because it was so loud around me (has anyone been in a room with over 100 people and 30-50 set ups that isn't loud ?) I couldn't hear the warning signs.
highfive
Smash Lord
Downer. I think it's OK for friendlies but other than that it's a pain fighting in it because of the flip and ledges.
Lord Chair
Smash Master
qft
Really, it already gets noisy in a room with 30 people, so in major tournaments you can't hear anything whatsoever.
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[FBC] ESAM
Smash Legend
When it is about to flip it flashes with a yellow light. You should be able to tell even in tournaments, trust me, i always can >_> even if i can't here anything on the TV.
number1ricky
Smash Cadet
LOL I like your qoute.
Yeah but if you know there's no edge, and you are coming back to recover, then u can be smart and not try to grab it
NO M2k
NO
demonictoonlink
Smash Master
Does it hurt anyone to the point the fight is unwinnable?
[FBC] ESAM
Smash Legend
No way, the SBR wouldn't be that bad to put it in the stage list if it COMPLETELY shut down a character's game.
Moozle
Smash Champion
I understand that it blows when this stage kills, but it really is pretty easy to avoid. It's my favorite stage, and it's great for Jiggs 
JigglyPunch
Smash Apprentice
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I like it. Maybe because I have fond memories of metroid prime. Maybe because I tank on this stage. I always go there.
The Frigate of Orpheon is fun to battle on. The ledges annoy me when I can't grab on, but it adds a bit of interest.
AlKrauser
Smash Cadet
this stage is my favorite ones and its one of my usual counterpicks. the first stage is sort of a simplified version of warioware, the moving platform (A) adding a moving element to the stage and (B) it acts as
(1) a fall thru platform,(2) 1/3 of the level, or (3) as a safety net platform, although not at the same time. Then it flips and honestly, jumping anywhere at the middle of the map (as far as I know) keeps you alive at the flip. The second part is pretty much the flying platform on the halberd with 2 safety net platforms on the sides. it offers unique gameplay and mixes things off at stage flip, constantly keeping players on their toes.
(1) a fall thru platform,(2) 1/3 of the level, or (3) as a safety net platform, although not at the same time. Then it flips and honestly, jumping anywhere at the middle of the map (as far as I know) keeps you alive at the flip. The second part is pretty much the flying platform on the halberd with 2 safety net platforms on the sides. it offers unique gameplay and mixes things off at stage flip, constantly keeping players on their toes.
I've been at some noisy tournaments, but I've never been at one so noisy that you couldn't hear that very loud siren on Frigate Orpheon given that you are probably only a few feet away from the TV. Really, if the tournament was that loud, the police would probably show up and shut it down since the degree of loud that would have to be would be riot level... Of course, I'm assuming you take the precaution of making sure your TV is set to a reasonable volume; sometimes TVs end up getting their sound turned off which always makes those the sucky set-ups to play on if you forget to fix it.
Yeah, it's very possible to never be killed by the stage flipping. Try not to be moving very much when it does, and on the first form to second either be on the left platform or up in the air. I've never seen anyone get stuck under the stage when it goes from second to first. There's an old thread I had about the mechanics.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=193606
I think I had the star KO conditions wrong, but you can definitely always avoid it if you aren't in an unusual position (like the corners of the screen), aren't moving very fast, and aren't doing any unusual actions (no guarantees if it flips while you're in the middle of Wario Waft or something). I actually used to lose an average on one stock to this stage every time I played on it, but then I decided enough was enough and figured out how it worked well enough to make sure that never happened again.
As per the stage in general, I can't say I'm a particular fan, but I don't particularly dislike it either. I will never counterpick it, but I'm not going to use my ban on it either, and I don't mind when people take me to it. The moving platform on the first form is kinda fun with under the stage and varying height shenanigans, and the low duckers can use the low section in the second form to really mess with linear projectile users just like on the Halberd. Of course, Mr. Game & Watch is pretty good at handling both counts.