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[#HBC | Dancer]

Question: Why did J leave? I was under the impression that he simply left because college/work left him with less time but also more importantly other activities that he was more interested in.

In matter of fact I wouldn't think that any veterans left because of dgame's "harsh" community but rather because as their lives progressed on they simply found other things that interested them more (and maybe had less time but that's irrelevant if mafia remains a primary interest to someone).

This is directed at Joey who stated earlier that people were leaving because of our poor community, which I think is mostly untrue. It's pretty much as Acrostic said, internet communities naturally degrade with time.

My advice would be to leave the veterans be and focus on recruiting new players. Just kind of wagering a guess, I think that Dgames doesn't draw in too many people because:

a) Most people don't know about us, much in the same way everyone here doesn't know about 95% of the other sub communities on smash boards and any internal conflicts those sub communities may have are probably not the reason you haven't been involved in them.
b) Being located on smash board kinda means that the players here have to have both an interest in smash and an interest in mafia. I mean they could technically only have an interest in mafia but then why are they on smash boards in the first place? This fact limits the pool of potential new players to draw from.

My solution? Probably just solicit more tbh. They may be against site rules though so idk. It just seems like the obvious answer to the problem of ignorance.

Bullying is a problem (J back in earlier times comes to mind as one of the most grievous examples of bullying, something which I myself took part in [sorry J]) on dgames, but I think that simple fact that so many people are becoming aware of it is a step in the right direction.

I have no comment on Gorf or badwolf right now.

Acrostic I want to have sex with you.

 

[Maven89]

Ok I might have been too harsh on Gorf, but seriously I don't like that people are asking you to stop and your answer was "NO". I have no problem playing mafia games with you and again, think he's sometimes funny, but I thought Gorf was joking around most of the time. The fact that he wasn't is pretty ****ty. I don't care what he believes in, but there's so many more sections of the forum to go to, don't bring it here when no one wants you to and it's detrimental to the entire community

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I don't think it's unreasonable of him. He's saying "If I'm convinced of something and I feel like it needs to be said, then I'm going to do it" which is entirely fine. Can't expect him to be someone he isn't. What you can do is get the mods to do their job and just punish him when he steps out of line instead of going easy. Don't go extra harsh on him, just hold him to site standards. If what he does isn't allowed per site rules, then he'll get banned automatically. It's not a difficult solution. If he "games the system" then whatever, what he's doing is within site rules. It could happen in any community you enter, not just dGames. As long as we are that exception, people who dgaf about rules will keep visiting a site that doesn't have room for them.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

my .02

In matter of fact I wouldn't think that any veterans left because of dgame's "harsh" community but rather because as their lives progressed on they simply found other things that interested them more (and maybe had less time but that's irrelevant if mafia remains a primary interest to someone).

yea every time i left it's cuz life got busier and doing other **** was more fun. I only came back once unemployed n bored. I think that's the primary reason ppl leave but they also often leave cuz other ppl in the community had left and they haven't really integrated with the remaining players. its probably unlikely that ppl leave due to the ****tiness of the community.

tho there's a different question of whether we're not getting as many new players as we could becuz ppl get turned off when they come to the subforum for the first time and see how we act

gorf you have to explain your feelings about ******** to me on skype some time cuz that **** is absurd

don't see the big deal in asking Badwolf if he faps to horses -- i mean you can just say you arent gonna respond to **** like that

and i generally like gorfs n acros posts

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

^^

basically what i meant is that an opinion deserves to be equally as valid to state as any other opposing statement if theyre said and followed by site rules. "i think mario is amazing in smash 4 [etc etc]" "i think he sucks >_< [etc etc]" "america is the best [etc etc]" "america blows [etc etc]" "**** is never funny [etc etc]" "**** can make for a pretty good joke [etc etc]" it's literally unfair that a topic is allowed to come up and having an opinion that varies from the social norm is what is chastised. if you guys want to become an awful mold of people who look like they have the "right opinions about important things" but secretly stuff those skeletons in your closet, go right ahead! i prefer to use my closet for like, shirts n stuff.

edit ninja the ^^'s were @ zonar

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

what a sp00ky analogy, gorf

 

[adumbrodeus]

You have a right to state your opinion and others have a right to view that opinion as disgusting and recognize that your continued insistence makes the place uncomfortable for people coming into the community.

If you actually wanna discuss the topics in a calm reasonable and private manner, go right ahead, but when you're outright hostile to certain groups and you're a fixture of the community you can't be surprised when people who are uncomfortable with those sentiments don't wanna be around the community. Who wants to actually spend time around Uncle Ruckus?

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

I don't think it's unreasonable of him. He's saying "If I'm convinced of something and I feel like it needs to be said, then I'm going to do it" which is entirely fine. Can't expect him to be someone he isn't. What you can do is get the mods to do their job and just punish him when he steps out of line instead of going easy. Don't go extra harsh on him, just hold him to site standards. If what he does isn't allowed per site rules, then he'll get banned automatically. It's not a difficult solution. If he "games the system" then whatever, what he's doing is within site rules. It could happen in any community you enter, not just dGames. As long as we are that exception, people who dgaf about rules will keep visiting a site that doesn't have room for them.

I didn't realize calling people who have mlp avatars horse ****ers was necessary, silly me why are we having this conversation again?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

A person can have many convictions, airing their opinion when they feel it necessary can be one of them. You probably have things yourself I disagree with, regardless of the outcome of such convictions.

 

[BarDulL]

regarding 'needing thicker skin' topic...yes i am a proponent for people needing thicker skin, and the story of my arrival in dgames would explain a lot about why i feel that way. people who are currently opposed to the 'bwolf currently needs to grow thicker skin' argument are actually some of the people who used to chastise and try to troll ME. that's right...joey, ryker, and many others. granted we've all grown up a bit and we're cool now, but there was definitely a time when i had it rough as well.

@ #HBC | Ryker @#HBC | Joey @ #HBC | ZoZo LOLOLOL

anyway, treating new players like dirt just because they are new is not acceptable. heck, treating anyone like dirt isn't acceptable. but sometimes, if someone with a big ego comes in thinking that they can just walk around and own the place, you better believe some of us are going to put our foot down in some form or another. if you don't respect the hierarchy and the community when you come in here, you get burned. that being said, i ended up getting burned A LOT when i first came in, and it still happens on occasion in games, but i take it and keep on going and learn from my mistakes.

i don't want us to get to a point of big brother **** where we all have to be really careful about what we say even in the midst of the actions of others. but yes, we shouldn't go out of our way to be buttholes.

anyway
while i do not agree with gorfs stances i entirely understand where hes coming from (and i tried to explain it to ryker a while back actually) but it seems like if anything his intentions are misunderstood aka "look at that troll ha ha" idk
a feedback/gameplay thread sounds great ill revive my old one right @ BarDulL ??
on a more serious note idk what to say. we are cliquey but heyyyyyyyyyyyy thats what happens to communities with very defined personalities. i still like the idea of an introduction thread with like 100 facebook questionnaires and general information yukno?
ok thats all
so what exactly are the problems? weve discussed for a bit now but honestly i dont see a lot of issues being put forward

LOOOOOOOOL at first i was like 'wtf is zozo talking about' and now i remember that thread was made during the first game i played as scum with you...omg HAHA. man i was PISSED at you during that game for reasons that don't need mentioning...still though that's hilarious that you mention it.

yeah, a critique thread i don't think is a good idea. or a tier list thread for that matter...good god. i'm not against talking about game theory though i guess.

regarding gorf, and i hate to inadvertently need to disagree with you, but you can't argue that his intentions are misunderstood though when he's calling bwolf 'horse****er' for instance. there have been way too many scenarios that have occurred to really argue against him being a troll at this point. it's fine for gorf to have opinions, but these "opinions" are almost always a means to piss people off.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

You can air your opinions without being a ****.

 

[BarDulL]

nvm i got ninja'd by zozo Kappa, reading now

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Herpderp im stupid sometimes

 

[BarDulL]

This

yea i thought you were addressing me, i was like "how was i being a '****'" lolol

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

It was at zozo and you ninja-ed me

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Oh yeah gorf is way crass, which the site should punish. I dont think the intention behind it needs changing though

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Except if it doesnt fall within site guidelines ofc

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

But thats his own choice

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

I'm ok with people not being comfortable with the fact that I watch a show made originally for girls. It's understandable, what I'm not ok with is relating it to child pornography. There's a definite line and really he and others have crossed it.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Is... This the social thread?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Report it and dont feed him. Let the system purge him if he doesnt fit.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Is... This the social thread?

Technically yes

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Is... This the social thread?

We've seen better days LOL

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

The only use I have for a mafia theory thread at this point is to say three things:

1.) Play day 1. For some reason, the entirety of DGames thinks the best way to remain in a strong position in mafia is to ignore Day 1 until it stops being Day 1, that way you can't be held accountable for anything that happens on Day 1. Posts like "I don't really like Day 1" or "I'll start playing when something happens" or even straight up "I don't play Day 1" should all be punishable with votes in large volume.

2.) Talk to people. When someone is setting you up, then yes, ignoring them can be a valid strategy, but you are directly hurting things when you routinely ignore players who are looking to figure out why you believe what you believe and what you think is wrong. I mean, if someone's been calling you town the entire game and is on your town list and the two of you reached different conclusions, why aren't you working with him when he comes seeking the source of the disagreement?

3.) Don't be an asshole. So many people default to being an asshole. "It's your fault, not mine," "If you believe that, you're trash," "Everyone ignore so-and-so," and so many personal attacks and biases brought in from previous games. You can play the game without attempting to make someone else miserable.

Personally, I'm a slot that has this Van Gogh I've painted from previous games that keeps people hating on me when I make every attempt to play differently. Each new game, I move further towards trying to play openly rather than manipulatively and work WITH players instead of through them. I get criticism at the end of the game and some people defend me, but I don't. I've gone over the last couple games I've played with fine tooth comb trying to find places I could REASONABLY improve that don't come down to waiting for other players to get a stick out of their ass, but I'm out of ideas. I essentially have to be perfect with my reads is all the feedback I'm getting.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I meam youre somewhat of an exception because youre pretty much the best player playing atm...

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Spoiler

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Spoiler

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'll ask again, why did this all get posted on Halloween? O_o.

Anyways reading up in a bit on what has been discussed and what I gotta say about it being a mod and all.

 

[Jdietz43]

It is and anyone who says otherwise is a liar.

Honestly we could just have an /mini que thread with an archive section and then a mafia discussion/guide thread, as long as it's clear that you cannot discuss ongoing mafia games and the mods 100% enforce that rule with infractions and maybe temp bans from other games/forced replacements and so forth

The only use I have for a mafia theory thread at this point is to say three things:

1.) Play day 1. For some reason, the entirety of DGames thinks the best way to remain in a strong position in mafia is to ignore Day 1 until it stops being Day 1, that way you can't be held accountable for anything that happens on Day 1. Posts like "I don't really like Day 1" or "I'll start playing when something happens" or even straight up "I don't play Day 1" should all be punishable with votes in large volume.

2.) Talk to people. When someone is setting you up, then yes, ignoring them can be a valid strategy, but you are directly hurting things when you routinely ignore players who are looking to figure out why you believe what you believe and what you think is wrong. I mean, if someone's been calling you town the entire game and is on your town list and the two of you reached different conclusions, why aren't you working with him when he comes seeking the source of the disagreement?

3.) Don't be an *******. So many people default to being an *******. "It's your fault, not mine," "If you believe that, you're trash," "Everyone ignore so-and-so," and so many personal attacks and biases brought in from previous games. You can play the game without attempting to make someone else miserable.

We actually do have a mafia theory thread laying arounf here somewhere we can use to that purpose

As for making the thread, lord knows I enjoy theorycrafting discussion, I do think in order to make it work though, memorandum on issues discussed in ongoing games? Proposed weekly discussion topics to take things off currently events. Feel like it needs to be more tightly managed to take it off just being about bleeding edge issues in the community.

making a separate thread for mafia meta-discussion is a good idea imo

a feedback/gameplay thread sounds great ill revive my old one right @ BarDulL ??

creating more threads doesn't really help, especially ones about discussing mafia games. most people would be interested in discussing ongoing games, which they can't do publicly for obvious reasons. i don't like that thread idea.

Seems there's a lot of mixed feelings about a thread specifically to talk about mafia.

There would definitely have to be a strict "No ongoing discussion don't even try I swear to gog" rule of course, and we'd probably have to be super serious about not making it a place to wage a personal war against someone in particular's play, but that seems to be exactly the kind of thing we're currently in the midst of discussing, so it might be a good place to make a stand. And to make it engaging Adumb is right I would most likely be wise to make some topic starters every few weeks to give people a common (and finished) point to talk about.

I'll have to consider it a lot more if I'm going to do it right it seems. But we'll see what happens.

I'll say this though, would people be interested in a thread that gives you a point in a game and says "Do your best to solve it without looking up who was scum!" and then reveals the answer and lets people discuss how they got to their conclusions right or wrong? I'm envisioning something like those brain-teaser chess problems, where you're given a board state and asked "Black to win in 3, how do?", only since everyone knows they're not in the mafia game and are therefore being honest about their scum-hunting logic there'd be a lot of room to see how other people scumhunt and maybe improve your own approach.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

If we're gonna have a mafia critique/ discussion thread we should call it 'The Salt Factory'

 

[#HBC | Kary]

oh, and last thing, on a more serious note.

Unfortunately, I might be the reason J isn't around anymore. I'm not really happy about it, and as far as I know he had increasingly less free time to play mafia anyways. But basically he got on my case for pushing / lynching him in games and how it ruined his enjoyment, and I was like 'what the actual **** though', and we kinda had a barney I think because we were on completely different wavelengths.

And then I ate him and absorbed his soul energy

Spoiler

I don't know if he talked to anyone else about it, but I don't think I've seen him since
sucks because he seems like a cool guy and I don't have anything against him :/
If anyone sees him around tell him I love him, i don't think he'd believe it coming from me.

#confessions2014

 

[adumbrodeus]

I've talked to him since, he said it's mostly because of lack of free time, but unfortunately he also said he doesn't expect to come back. A shame cause he was one of my favorite people around here, we had a great rapport back in the day.

I'll say this though, would people be interested in a thread that gives you a point in a game and says "Do your best to solve it without looking up who was scum!" and then reveals the answer and lets people discuss how they got to their conclusions right or wrong? I'm envisioning something like those brain-teaser chess problems, where you're given a board state and asked "Black to win in 3, how do?", only since everyone knows they're not in the mafia game and are therefore being honest about their scum-hunting logic there'd be a lot of room to see how other people scumhunt and maybe improve your own approach.

I really like the whole "back to win in 3" approach, it's pretty fantastic. Heck we don't even need to use our games, we can use mafiascum games as well.

 

[we thuggin]

joey bringing up a "newcomers look at these games and see us ****ting on each other" comment came to mind earlier. theres a lot of **** talking in game ("youre one of the main offenders marshy" yeah no **** go head n say it) that i can def see bein a turnoff so i wouldnt mind seeing a rule along the lines of

"do not question or refer to another player as having less intelligence in an insulting manner"

gets rid of all the "are you ********" "x is a dumbass" comments tho the example above culd prolly hav better language (this is off the top of my head) n yu culd even take it a step further with a "no insulting others outside the scope of the game" rule. comments like "yur play is bad" stay legal but "youre playing like a ******" dont. the mod can be stricter about this sort of ****

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Almost every game literally already has some kind of "don't be a ****" rule in the OP. The problem is that it's usually something mods copy/paste from some other ruleset, and they don't enforce it.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

[collapse="Rules"]Fundamental
1.) Don't be an *** to others, *****. Treat them like you want to be treated.
2.) Once you have died in the game, you are not allowed to make any more posts.
3.) No communication about this game is allowed with non-players or players who are dead, even if you yourself are dead. (If you are dead, you may not discuss the game with anyone who is currently playing, even if you could while you were alive, unless your role specifically states otherwise.)
4.) Unless your role PM specifically allows you the power, you are not to communicate with anyone about this game outside of this game thread. This includes posting content outside of the game thread and linking to it in the game thread.
5.) Do not edit your posts. Double posting is fine in its place.
6.) You are not allowed to quote any mod communication of any kind, real or fake. You must paraphrase all information you wish to claim. This includes any additional PMs I may send to you outside of your role PM. You are not allowed to post or refer to any images, videos or links in your role PM, nor may you post metadata about mod PMs in an attempt to break the game (e.g., message ID in the URL, time of day the message was sent, etc.). This rule only applies to posts in the thread. If you are allowed to communicate privately with other players you may freely quote mod communication there.
7.) You may not post screenshots of any kind.
8.) Posting in non-English, invisible, coded, or otherwise intentionally hidden or indecipherable text is prohibited. (Spoiler tags are allowed because they are easily noticeable. This rule is not meant to disallow breadcrumbing within the visible text of a message.)
9.) You may not quote logs of communication with other players (including hydra communication). You are free to paraphrase.
10.) Unless stated otherwise, all Night Actions should be sent to myself via PM. Failure to send in your night action(s) will result in the action being randomized.
11.) If you are unclear about any of the rules then you are expected to ask the me for clarification before taking any action which you believe may break a rule. If you are unclear about any information in your role PM or the sample PM or any mod communication, feel free to ask me about it.
12.) Punishments for breaking any of the rules of this game include but are not limited to: temporary or permanent Moderator Votes, Modkill, forced replacement, etc

Voting and Lynching
1.) Each Day, you may vote for a player to be lynched using a bold vote command. For example, Vote: Gheb.
2.) To unvote, use the command unvote. For example, Unvote vote: Evil Eye. You do not have to unvote before voting again.
3.) No lynch is a viable lynch choice and a majority will end the Day without a lynch. For example, Vote: No Lynch.
4.) The Day will end when a majority lynch is decided or a preset deadline has been reached. If deadline is reached without a majority lynch decided, there will be no lynch.
5.) There is no posting in this thread during the Night phase, regardless of whether the thread is closed or not.
6.) Mafia has a Nightkill. Each Night they may choose to kill one player of their choosing by sending me the name of their target via PM.

Activity and Deadline
1.) You are expected to be able post every 24 hours, however you are required to post every 48 hours. If you fail to do so, you will be prodded. An accumulation of too many prods (however much I think that is) will result in your replacement or a modkill depending on the circumstances. When feasible, I will tell you if I'm considering replacing/modkilling you. If you will be inactive for an extended period of time, you must notify me in advance. Unexcused or particularly long absences may result in your replacement or modkill. If you are a player with a history of bad activity, it is possible it will take less prods before your replacement than it will take for others.
2.) I do not expect to grant deadline extensions, barring extenuating circumstances. In the event I need to replace a player, I may extend the deadline to accommodate the new player. Certain game events may also result in a change of deadline.
3.) Days will generally last 7 days.
4.) Nights will generally last approximately 48 hours.

Game-specific
1.) All roles have been assigned entirely at random.
2.) Modkills only end Days if the player being modkilled is town-aligned. Otherwise, Day continues. Exceptions to this rule may be made based on the state of the game and my personal judgment. If a town-aligned traitor gets modkilled the ongoing Day phase will continueas well.
3.) If you are using a hydra account for this game, all posts must be made on the designated account. If a post is made on a separate account, then that post must be quoted by the hydra account.
4.) Town win condition is exactly as follows: You are aligned with the town and win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.[/collapse]


Alive:
1. Sons of Hardbody [marshy / Kary]
2. Gorf
4. Chaco / Rajam
5. Red Ryu
6. Jdietz
7. Maven89
9. Orboknown
10. Nabe
11. Potassium
12. Laundry
13. Badwolf
14. KevinM

Dead:
3. JeXs - Mafia Vanilla Cop - Lynched Day 1
8. Ice and Fire - Town Comparison Cop - Killed Night 1

This is the OP from Gheb's currently running G3S game. Open the rules spoilerpop, it's literally the first rule.

Every game has it in their ruleset, it's just that nobody cracks down on it.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Will talk about j when I get homehome. Am down for mafia discussion thread

 

[Ashemu]

it's definitely possible to be an aggressive asshole without outright insulting people's intelligences though, pretty sure i'm guilty of this in mafia a lot and i generally avoid direct attacks

the system i'm used to is that there's a "don't be a ****" rule, and if somebody is crossing that line with you you talk to the mod about it and the mod steps in to tell everybody to chill

 

[Vinylic.]

This basically should be applied to every fun setup out there. Not just mafia. You see it in competitive games, steams, game servers (like the tf2 server I attend as an administrator). If it is sensitive and offensive to the point where it crosses the line the first time, it is unacceptable.

Doing it once is fine with an apology here and there, but doing it again is just not right. Looking at badwolf's problem, it doesn't sit right.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

My computer blew up. V/LA until further notice.

 

[Takamagahara]

Also, I'll be at a tournament tomorrow.