DG Archive & MVPs

[#HBC | Ryker]

No MvP for Ryker Mafia

 

[#HBC | J]

Data updated: Town got a whopping boost up! That's good to see and now it's only like a 6% difference between Town and Mafia with Mafia still winning the long run.

[Collapse=The Track Record]SSB Mafia - No thread
South Park Mafia - Mafia
Mario Mini Mafia - Mafia
Dark Mafia - No thread
Lost Mafia - No thread
Sailor Moon Mini - Cancelled
Fire Emblem - Town
Food Court - Town
Kingdom Hearts Mafia - Town
South Park 2 Mafia - Mafia
Trigun Mafia - Town
CSI Mafia - No thread
Eor's Hellhouse Mafia - Cancelled
Mafia Mafia - Cancelled
Tomafia - Town
Marvel Mafia - Indie (cancelled afterwards)
Tomafia 2 - Cancelled
Human Body Mafia - Cancelled
Tomafia 3 - Town
Nowhere Ma(n)fia - Town
Omis' Unlucky 13 Mafia - Town
Mafia Milikyway Sleepover - Indie
DINOMAFIA - Town
Harry Potter Mafia - Mafia + Indie
Lonely Island Mafia - Town
Spider Ma(n)fia - Mafia + Indie
Newbie Mafia 1 - Mafia
Totally Normal Mafia - Town + Indie
Newbie Mafia 2 - Mafia
MegaMafia - Mafia
Bad Idea Mafia - Mafia
High School Mafia - Town
Batmanfia - Town + Indie
Test Subject Mafia - Town
Vengeful Mafia - Mafia
Final Fantasy 7 Mafia - Mafia
Simpsons Mafia - Mafia
Disguiser Mafia - Cancelled
Mafia Tournament Sleepover - Indie
Monster Mafia - Town
Phoenix Wright Mafia - Town
Paranoiafia - Mafia
Samuel L. Jackson Mafia 2: Bruce Willis Mafia - The Revenge of Samuel L. Jackson - Mafia
Wonderland Mafia - Town + Indie
Newbie Mafia 3 - Mafia
Catastrophe Mafia - Indie
Monster Island Mafia - Town
Left 4 Scum Mafia - Mafia
Grammys Mafia - Mafia + Indie
Disney Mafia - Mafia
Hentai Mafia - Rockin
Getting Schooled Mafia - Indie
TV-Allstar Mafia - Mafia
Scum Wars Mafia - Mafia + Indie
Boondocks Saints Mafia - Mafia
LoDScrew Mafia - Cancelled
Anime Mafia - Mafia
Newbie Mafia 4 - Town
Werewolves of Miller's Hollow - Indie
Batma(n)fia 2 - Mafia
Down and Dirty Mafia - Mafia
Nothing Special Mafia - Town
Unintended Consequences Mafia - Town
Smash Bros. Mafia - Mafia
Shaq Mafia - Town
Newbie Mafia 5 - Mafia
Exten Tuy Mafia - Town
Disney Pop Stars Mafia - Mafia
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #2 Mafia - Mafia
Legion of Doom Mafia - Town
Pogeymafia - Indie
Popcorn Mafia - Town
Grammys 2 Mafia - Mafia
Muppets mafia - Town
Twilight Mafia - Mafia
Newbie Mafia 6 - Mafia
Tree Stump Mafia - Town
Dragon Ball Z Mafia - Indie
Code Geass Mafia - Mafia
Team Rocket Mafia - Town
Totally Flavourless Mafia - Town
Disco Room Mafia - Mafia
Cartoon Cartoons Mafia - Mafia
Mayling Family Mayfia - Mafia
Mafia Barhouse Sleepover - Town
Newbie Mafia 7 - Cancelled
Pikmafia - Mafia
LoTR Mafia - Town
Newbie Mafia 7 Revamped - Mafia
MXC Mafia - Town(?)
Bad Idea Mafia Redux - Mafia
Taco City Mafia - Mafia
Avril Lavigne Mafia - Mafia
Chrono Trigger Mafia - Indie
Tales of Symphony Mafia - Town
Sonic the Hedgehog Mafia - Town
Newbie Mafia 8 - Town
Community Mafia - Mafia
Bioware Mafia - Town
Final Fantasy 7 Remix - Mafia
Mario Kart Mafia - Town
Oddworld Mafia - Town
Majora's Mask Mafia - Mafia
Villains Mafia - Town
Halo Mafia - Mafia
Castlevania Mafia - Mafia
Mafia All stars - Mafia
Newbie 9 - Town
Final Fantasy 6 Mafia - Mafia
Dungeons & Dragaons Mafia - Mafia
Discworld Mafia - Mafia
Youtube Memes Mafia - Town
Newbie Mafia 10 - Mafia
Bear & Fish Mafia - Town
Nightmare Before Christmas Mafia - Town
Soul Caliber Mafia - Town
Newbie Mafia 11 - Mafia
Doctor Who Mafia - Cancelled
Inception Mafia - Town + Indie
Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance - Mafia
Mafia Royal Sleepover - Mafia
Celebrity Mafia - Mafia
The World Ends With You Mafia - Mafia
Bad Idea Mafia 3 - Town
Dissidia Mafia - Indie
Rusty Guillotine Mafia - Town
Newbie Mafia 12 - Mafia
Bad Idea Mafia 4 - Mafia
Diddy Kong Racing Mafia - Town
Super Heroes Mafia - Mafia
Bingo! Mafia - Mafia
Resident Evil 4 Mafia - Town
Pizza Mafia - Indie
Dexter Mafia - Mafia
Super Mario RPG Mafia - Town
Melee Tournament Mafia - Town
Touhou Mafia - Indie
Pulp Fiction Mafia - Mafia
KSSU: Revenge of Meta Knight Mafia - Mafia
Tyler Perry Presents: Tyler Perry's UTrick'd Mafia - Mafia
Kittens vs. Domo-kuns - Town
Ducktales Mafia - Mafia
Newbie XIII Mafia - Town
D.Gray Man Mafia - Town
Gurren Laggen Mafia - Town
Time Travelers Mafia - Town
The Founding of DGamesia - Mafia
Final Fantasy IX Mafia - Indy
Megaman X - Mafia
Awkward Moments Mafia - Mafia
Newbie Mafia 14 - Mafia
Higurashi Mafia - Town
Majora's Mask Mafia - Town
Halloween Party Mafia - Town
UTrick'd2 Mafia - Mafia
Britches and Hose Mafia - Indy
Hentai Mafia II - Indy
Newbie 15 Mafia - Mafia
Portal Mafia - Indy
Lost Mafia - Town
Fire and Lightning Mafia - Mafia
Newbie 16 Mafia/Homestruck Trolls Mafia - Mafia
Adventure Time Mafia - Mafia
Walgreens Mafia - Mafia
Final Fantasy Tactics Mafia - Town
Gheb's Super Secret Special Mafia - Town
Shining Force II Mafia - Town
Donkey Kong Mafia - Town
Half Life: Full Life Consequences Mafia - Indy
Gigabots Mafia - Mafia
Liar Game Mafia - Town
Ryker Mafia - Town
Mario Part 2 Mafia -
Celebrity Rehab Mafia -
Epic Rap Battles Mafia -
Laundry's All-Star Pokemon Mafia -
Hearts Mafia -
Newbie 17/Breaking Bad Mafia -

9 games being added

==========
Index
==========

No Thread = 9
Cancelled = 8
Town Wins = 60
Mafia Wins = 68
Indie Wins = 19
Joint Wins (Town+Indie) = 4
Joint Wins (Maifa+Indie) = 4
Total (games with winners) = 153
Total (games overall) = 170

Town Win/Lose Ratio: 62/153
Overall Town W/L Ratio: 66/153
Overall percentage: 43.13%

Mafia Win/Lose Ratio: 71/153
Overall Mafia Win/Lose Ratio: 75/153
Overall percentage: 49.01%

Indie Win/Lose Ratio: 19/67
Overall Indie Win/Lose Ratio: 26/75
Overall Indie Percentage: 34.66%

Mafia is winning with the most wins![/collapse]

Added percentages because it is getting closer for Town and Mafia.

Town win percentage: 43.13%
Mafia win percentage: 49.01%

Indy is a bit too wonky to do since they aren't in every game but in the games they are in, here is their percentage: 34.66%

Okay everything should be fixed now. =P

 

[#HBC | marshy]

from memory for the earlier games and track record:

food court mafia was a town win (/brofist ronike **** outta hear frozen)

town won fire emblem mafia as well

scum won south park mafia

scum won south park mafia as well

i forget if bahamut was mafia or sk in mario mini mafia. town lost tho

pretty sure ssbb mafia was canceled

it seems like govas metaknight game has been skipped which was a scum win

EDIT i forget

ssb mafia
dark mafia
lost mafia
ssbb mafia

sailor moon mini was canceled

 

[#HBC | J]

Wow thanks for the early record fix because those threads are weird/gone. Hm I thought I got Gova's but guess not. Thanks for the update Marshy!

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

SSB Mafia was won by the mafia. TDA replaced back in after he died as Peach and became Nana, the ******* modded Mafia Mason partner of Popo who was told that Nana was town. =P

I'm pretty sure that mafia also won Lost mafia. I remember getting lynched as like a vig of some sort that was basically confirmed town via some flavour thing and then mafia kinda steamrolled from there.

Dark mafia I have a really hard time recalling but my gut says town won. Really no good basis for that though. I also can't remember SSBB mafia.

I also endorse that Sailor moon was cancelled. Def remember that.

@ **** outta here back at you marshy for bringin all dat salt back. I totes should have food court you know it nukka

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Town won lost mafia, mafia didn't have a kill and eventually just kind of gave up

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

There were two Lost Mafias and I don't recall FF playing in the recent one. :v

 

[Circus]

Town won lost mafia

This looks almost poetically ironic.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Halo game isn't in the OP for some reason:

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=288405

 

[Swiss]

That game....

 

[X1-12]

Halo game isn't in the OP for some reason:

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=288405

erm

yeah it is..

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Must've missed it then ...

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

MAN that game. Lol @ Swiss NonMVP

 

[Jdietz43]

Marshy and Nabe MVP for Hearts Mafia (Mafia wins)


(Marshy, you know what time it is? It's time to do it. Give yo'self 'dem dice)

 

[#HBC | J]

;_;

J is left out of the loop...

 

[#HBC | marshy]

everybody give nabe a warm welcome to the gold dice brethren of homies

help yourself to the free martinis and beautiful amazon women nabe

 

[Swiss]

We have women?

Goddamn, I was told J was the best I was gonna get.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Grats Nabe and Marshy!

That said, we need a committee to distribute MVP. The problem now is that different mods have different standards, resulting in MVPs that are way less impressive than others. Jus suggestin.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

That's a decent suggestion :3

 

[Dooms]

Why would you take MVP choices away from the mod? You'd have to get a group of people that are both unbiased and didn't participate in the game that you're awarding MVP to. It's way easier to let the mod have the choice.

 

[Swiss]

Why would you take MVP choices away from the mod? You'd have to get a group of people that are both unbiased and didn't participate in the game that you're awarding MVP to. It's way easier to let the mod have the choice.

I'd be more than happy to stop some people ever getting MVP.

Unbiased, of course.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Why would you take MVP choices away from the mod? You'd have to get a group of people that are both unbiased and didn't participate in the game that you're awarding MVP to. It's way easier to let the mod have the choice.

Chibo wanted to give MvP to the scum team of Dexter Mafia.

But it is rare case by rare case where I would say denying a poor MvP choice, opinionated of course, is acceptable.

 

[#HBC | J]

MvPs should be mods discretion and having a committee is semi-weird because it would have to be an ever-changing committee.

I mean look at the MvP archive right now. Hearts mafia was one of the first games in a long time to have double MvP since like Heroes/NBC mafia. Plus it was also one of the very few to have MvP too. Most games nowadays don't give out MvP because of mods discretion and the current sentiment of not giving out MvP. I think the way it is now is perfectly fine. ;P

 

[Ramen King]

Haha no that's a horrible idea. No offense Xoni. MVP's aren't that serious lol.

Each game has it's own standards of judging the most valuable player. People seem to forget that's what MVP stands for. You can't have a standardized way to judge when the player most valuable to the game is relative to the game and the other players.

 

[Jdietz43]

U dun like getting MVP? U dun join mah games.

Is easy, dah? (I like giving MVPs, it's more fun for everyone that way IMO)

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I am for the MvP committee. And I wholeheartedly nominate three people that will actually read games for the job, and be invested enough to analyze every player. No, that's not sarcasm. We'd need people who intently have a firm understanding of what an MvP performance is, and would need them to go through every game (or gather some people to help on occasion that are non mod (yes I feel that mods shouldn't necessarily be the ones to decide MvP)) and decide. We find a council of people willing, I say go. But that'd be TOUGH to find.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Haha no that's a horrible idea. No offense Xoni. MVP's aren't that serious lol.

Each game has it's own standards of judging the most valuable player. People seem to forget that's what MVP stands for. You can't have a standardized way to judge when the player most valuable to the game is relative to the game and the other players.

No offense taken, of course.

However, if we take the meaning of the word that seriously, every game should have a MVP.
Overall, it's weird when you get MVP by modA but not by modB, for the same performance. It's inconsistent and it's only natural that people complain about it.

 

[Dooms]

It should be one person every game imo. Most valuable player should be... you know... given to the most valuable player. Not sure why standards need to be involved at all when it's the most valuable player, not "This player did an awesome job compared to his usual play" or "This player played better than everyone else, but he didn't play too well..." or anything else along those lines.

Gord, what do you plan to do about people that try to judge a game they were involved in? It's 100% guaranteed bias. You'd have to get either 3 people that never play mafia or 6-7 people that follow your standards.

If we'd take this route, my suggestion would be to take three or four people and assign them to a game. The three or four people can't have any hatred or strong friendship with anyone in the player list. That would take care of as much of the biased opinions as possible.

All just IMO, though.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

We're not asking for unbiased opinions, we're asking for consistency.

 

[Dooms]

Unbiased opinions make it as fair as possible, though. Why would consistency matter when different situations apply to different games, different types of player lists, etc? :v.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Unbiased doesn't exist.

Overall, it's weird when you get MVP by modA but not by modB, for the same performance. It's inconsistent and it's only natural that people complain about it.

 

[Dooms]

How does that show that unbiased opinions don't exist?

I know 100% unbiased opinions don't exist, but it doesn't require 100% unbiased opinions to be honest about rewarding someone that deserves an award.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

That was an answer to the other part of your post.

Alright, regarding unbiased opinions, let's do a quick test.
Suggest three members for a possible jury.

 

[Dooms]

Same performance as in he played the exact same way, played better than the whole player list in the same way, etc?

Gova is the only suggestion I have honestly. He used to be known for reading a lot of the mafia games, and he'd be able to say a lot of stuff about each. Since he's already known for reading a lot of mafia games (and not playing in many himself), I'd probably suggest him.

I'd personally trust J as well, since I know he'd give honest opinions. "I love you man, but..." and stuff like that. I also know that if he has the time, then he'd read the game.

idk who a third suggestion would be.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Well that's the thing. You can get MVP for stomping a game with a terrible town, but if you play on the same level vs a decent town, you don't get it. That's why I think that in the former situation, you shouldn't award MVP.

And yeah, I don't agree with those suggestions.
Conclusion, even who the judges are is bias. You won't avoid bias, and bias isn't wrong if you have a panel anyway.

 

[Dooms]

Bias matters if we're having a small panel. Big panel, sure. 7-8 people? The biased opinion can get outvoted. But 3? All the person has to do is be stubborn with his opinion and spew **** that seems relevant and he'll get his way.

You should be awarded MVP for that example, though :v. You were the MVP, therefore you deserve the MVP award. Just because the town played bad doesn't mean you don't deserve an award for destroying them.

What I get from this is this:

If you choose to join a game of Me, Ran, Bardull, Soup, etc, then MVP should be nullified because of the fact that the player list was bad? Wouldn't that just encourage separation between player lists? Amateur & Pro in a sense?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Bias matters if we're having a small panel. Big panel, sure. 7-8 people? The biased opinion can get outvoted. But 3? All the person has to do is be stubborn with his opinion and spew **** that seems relevant and he'll get his way.

See. There's even bias in where bias matters.

You should be awarded MVP for that example, though :v. You were the MVP, therefore you deserve the MVP award. Just because the town played bad doesn't mean you don't deserve an award for destroying them.

That's bias man. Then why didn't both me/Jupiter get MVP for Gigabots? We both played superb. Oh right, JDietz screwing up removed the integrity. So we suddenly aren't the most valued people anymore. Cool.

You could say every game has a MVP, but that removes a lot of the worth of getting MVP. So somewhere you have to draw a line, and if that line is different every game, you get inconsistency.

If you choose to join a game of Me, Ran, Bardull, Soup, etc, then MVP should be nullified because of the fact that the player list was bad? Wouldn't that just encourage separation between player lists? Amateur & Pro in a sense?

It wouldn't because you don't play for MVP. MVP is an extra.

 

[Dooms]

That's not bias .-.

I'm not saying I favor a small panel over a larger one. I'm saying that bias will be more effective in a smaller panel when compared to a larger one. What's the bias in this, exactly?

From this standpoint, I'd disagree with any townie's bad play removing what you deserved. However, based on how people currently view MVP (Half of the recent games at least not rewarding it in the first place), then I could see why you didn't get it.

There doesn't need to be a line or worth in the first place. It's an award. This isn't a ranking system. If I recall correctly, wasn't the point of MVP to show off post bits so other people would realize that this place existed and to encourage more people to play here?

Ah @ MVP being an extra. Forgot about that lol.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Panel wouldn't work on the account that no one is going to want to read through every single new mafia game.

Like J said, the committee would have to be ever changing, which contradicts Xonar's goal of having "consistency."

Btw just for fun the best panel IMO would be July, EE, and Kat (or Vanderzant).

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

That's not bias .-.

I'm not saying I favor a small panel over a larger one. I'm saying that bias will be more effective in a smaller panel when compared to a larger one. What's the bias in this, exactly?

My bad.

There doesn't need to be a line or worth in the first place. It's an award. This isn't a ranking system. If I recall correctly, wasn't the point of MVP to show off post bits so other people would realize that this place existed and to encourage more people to play here?

Pride.



You can have people in the panel that actually played the game being judged. I don't see a problem with that.