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I have extremely mixed feelings about this new layout. I mean, it looks really slick, and I was initially excited to see it, but as I perused the site, I noticed the loss of a lot of really convenient features (as well as the addition of a few good ones).
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Also, I noticed that we can no longer multi-quote posts anymore.
I kinda dislike how there's no border between a person's actual post and his sig. It's kinda hard to differentiate between what he wants to say and random gibberish that has nothing to do with the current topic. An excellent example is 1PokeMastr's post (post #31) above.
Edit: Upon closer scrutiny, I noticed that there is a border, but it's extremely, EXTREMELY faint. It might as well not even be there.
Ah, I see. Also, I found out how to "multi-quote". Every time you click "Reply", the sub-forum flings you to the message box, which automatically quotes the message you're replying to. If you click on more "Reply" links, the quotes stack up in your message box. This would be extremely cool IF doing this didn't continuously bring me to the message box EVERY time I clicked "Reply".
Keep in mind that these are only the issues that other people didn't mention. There are several things that other people said which I also agree with. If you want to see the 'Official Complaints' thread about XenForo Smashboards:I kinda miss how I used to be able to 'Quick Edit' my posts directly without getting a pop-up or a new page or anything. Oh well, I can live without...
Either way, good stuff! 
's best/most practical kill moves are Bair and Side-B.I was actually just talking with ZMT about that a couple of days ago. What he's doing is bringing a pair of headphones with a splitter so that he can plug the Wii's audio directly into the headphones. I'm sure that you can find a reasonably priced pair (reasonable being ~$30) on Amazon.
I suppose you mean "most reliable". In that case, Side-B isn't really realiable when there's a very low chance you'll actually get a Gordo.I believe that
Unless it's a Waddle Doo, it kills most of the cast in a juggle mix-up at a very reasonable % and it's one of the most common kill situations to occur since air dodge>DI out of
's Bair/Fair range is so potent.
Good job! Kudos on avoiding the ditto. As cheap as that sounds, the DDD ditto is one of the most fraudulent MUs in the universe. Don't put yourself through that undue stress. (-_-') G&W:DDD is about even anyway.
I have some decent experience against Fox, and I find that you can approach him in largely the same way you approach Falco. The only difference is that Fox has a better non-Phantasm 'forward burst' option in fair. However, in return, Fox's attacks are somewhat easily shieldgrabbed, in my experience. YOU are the one who must do the "conditioning", as you are playing the slower char who depends more on good positioning, IMO. In most MUs (in all Smash games), if you let the much faster char condition you, the MU becomes literal hell as he continually mind-games and scares you with fast options. We can't really stop him from laser camping if he really wants to do it, but setting up perfect aerials on your shield is something that should NOT be happening. Your bair outspaces his. Keep this in mind and be aggressive.
Yes, this refers to what I mentioned earlier. If you let the much faster character condition you, the MU becomes extremely scary. However, why are you trying to fair him out of his stuff, on reaction no less?
Fox is too fast to be doing that. If you're trying to stuff Fox's moves like that, bair is your move. It also outspaces Fox's everything and it's just a safer, faster move.
DDD's "best/most practical kill moves" are bair and utilt, followed by dtilt and fair, followed by dsmash and usmash, followed by uair and dair, followed by fsmash (good reads) and Inhale (swallowcide). Notice how sideB isn't on that list.I believe that
http://smashboards.com/threads/334180/
Watched Threads is TERRIBLE compared to the "Unread Posts" in the old User CP. Literally all the old convenience is just.....gone. There's no accessible button at the top, this new SWF is making every thread from 2012 'unread', and there's no way (that I've found) to simply go to the OP/1st page of an 'unread Watched Thread' unless the unread post in question WAS the OP/1st page.
Lolz, no.Unless it's a Waddle Doo, it kills most of the cast in a juggle mix-up at a very reasonable % and it's one of the most common kill situations to occur since air dodge>DI out of
First off, "unless it's a Waddle Doo"? I'll need confirmation, but aren't Doos stronger than Dees? Secondly, thrown Dees and Doos alike simply don't kill anyone until well past 150% (walking Waddles are a different story ENTIRELY). That's neither 'good' nor "practical". Yes, they can lead into juggle situations, but they don't kill off of juggle situations nor are you guaranteed a follow-up off of a hit with one of them (although they can 'combo'/frame-trap into some nice stuff on-hit). If you're so close that the opponent is trying to avoid the fair/bair, just go with the fair/bair, lolz! They cover each other. Bair is fast and safe when spaced. Fair punishes ADs meant to dodge bair and it frame-traps into bair if you do it 'through' the opponent's AD. Waddles are extremely unsafe at anything closer than mid-range.
Below the thread title there are three links:Watched Threads is TERRIBLE compared to the "Unread Posts" in the old User CP. Literally all the old convenience is just.....gone. There's no accessible button at the top, this new SWF is making every thread from 2012 'unread', and there's no way (that I've found) to simply go to the OP/1st page of an 'unread Watched Thread' unless the unread post in question WAS the OP/1st page.
Why would they make the date the thing you click on to go to the OP? Furthermore, it's still badly designed because there are THREE ways to go to the first unread post (click on thread name, click on blue circle NEXT to the thread name, or simply click on "Go To First Unread" once you get inside the thread) when there's only one obscure way to get to the OP if the thread was unread. That's a bit much.I can't speak for damage, but I believe that Dees have more knockback. I don't believe that Utilt should hit unless the opponent makes a mistake or rolls into you (which people should know better than to do but still don't). I love Fair, but I generally use it to frame trap and zone rather than to hit with it.Lolz, no.
's Fair range until they reach a zone where they can use a fast recovery option (which is often realistically punishable, but not for every character). To help you picture what I'm talking about, I'm referring to when you get a Fthrow/Bthrow/Bair by the ledge that almost kills and you can go in to pressure them at the top quarter of the screen. At that point fresh Fair/Bair can kill most of the cast ~60%, but this situation rarely occurs outside of and spacies. This situation occurs for me pretty much every game, which results in me killing with Side-B pretty much every game. I'm not suggesting to use Side-B at neutral; I think that it's a garbage move and I pretty much only use when I'm going to be turtling someone who has a single projectile (e.g. , , etc.).
First of all, this actually isn't true. You can catch the opponent off-guard by performing a quick maneuver like FF (AD, if necessary)/Spot-dodge/roll > utilt. The FF > utilt, in particular, is VERY effective because of how fast DDD falls. At this point, the maneuver goes from the opponent "making a mistake or rolling into you" to you simply outplaying your opponent through reads and mix-ups. Sure, if all opponents were smarter/had more common sense, utilt would be a lot less effective, but it would still be a useful kill move in many scenarios (assuming the DDD knows how to use his traits in mix-ups).
You're going to have to show me a video example of you or someone else utilizing this strat you're mentioning to kill someone at such low %'s. As I'm understanding your wording, it seems like you're nailing your opponent with a read (of his drifting AD) that gets him killed (because he's) near a blastzone. That makes Waddle Dee Toss neither "reliable" nor an actual "kill move", since lots of attacks can achieve similar results with similar reads near a blastzone. In addition, you admitted yourself that "this situation rarely occurs outside of Peach and spacies." That hardly makes this move "practical" overall, since it applies only to specific scenarios in a few select MUs. In general, I can see how Waddle Dees/Doos could be useful in the regard that you are stating, but I don't think that makes them 'better' or 'more practical' than his established kill moves.You mis-read the situation in which I said to kill with Side-B: When people air dodge to DI outside of Fair range, because many characters can zone out by simply drifting just outside of
I surmise that you must not do so well against Diddy...I'm not suggesting to use Side-B at neutral; I think that it's a garbage move and I pretty much only use when I'm going to be turtling someone who has a single projectile (e.g.
