Guide CunningKitsune's Guide to Ace Arwing Pilot Fox McCloud

[brickman]

Phenomenal guide, I read it in its entirety. I became very interested with using fox after I figured out how to waveshine every time, man it is rewarding. I mainly play sheik and marth, but I might have to start playing fox just for the mega technical fun.

Thanks for making the guide again.

 

[Giggidax]

CunningKitsune ur fox guide is lovely i thank u for making such a guide

 

[Hoefler]

Best guide on the boards, that's for sure.

I read the whole thing, but I have to agree with RTD that there are too many words :/ You explained fox's normal A attack with almost 500 words! =/! As a result, not too many people will read all of it.

Secondly, I recommend you use the 'Star' systems to help rate Fox's matchups.

*= Piece of cake, you can't lost
**= You have the advantage here
***= Even match
****= You're at a disadvantage here
*****= You're kinda ****-outta-luck here; pick another char :/

Thanks for the guide, lots of good work =)

Hold on, let me take out my noob broom here.

who the fart is RTD. please don't bring up old people who you don't know. and she's dead.

no where in the guide would there be a need to give 4 or 5 stars. fox has no bad matchups.

lol, just realized 5150's response was there....

yeah so get froed man.

enlarge that e-***** boy.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

This guide has helped me beyond reasoning....If I had the money,i would donate money to Cunning for taking the time to make this unparalleled guide.

THANK YOU!!!!

 

[Airdeius]

hey how do you do the tanunt ut corneria with fot i know where to stand i forgot what to push

 

[iNinTenDude]

hey how do you do the tanunt ut corneria with fot i know where to stand i forgot what to push

jes keep doin his taunt over and over, theres a faster way but im unsure ofit, i have to go test it out.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

hey how do you do the tanunt ut corneria with fot i know where to stand i forgot what to push

Incorrect iNinTenDude..They actual way to do it is to hit hit down on the D-pad within around 4 frames(A frame is 1/60 of a second).

In other words,tap down on the d-pad VERY quickly,most people slide their thumb off the bottom.^^

(Is that the correct amount of frames BTW?)

 

[CunningKitsune]

It's actually a single-frame input on the d-pad. Just hit down for one frame. Easy! :D

Anyway, to anybody who has e-mailed me in the past couple of months or so, I apologize for not being able to answer for such a long time. The academics really kept me pinned throughout the entire first part of the semester, and to top it all off, I for some reason or another can't send e-mails from my dorm; I can only receive them. Yeah, random. But I'm heading back home for spring break, and once there I will be able to respond to your e-mails. Just sit tight for a bit longer.

 

[takieddine]

CK should get more vids of his fox up

 

[_Phloat_]

Thanks a lot Kitsune, been watching a lot of you and Masashi, and I am about to go to INNsomnia IV... Where I will play fox. **** shame you spent all this time on the guide and the tiers go and change, shiek ain't no top tier no mo.... >_>

Anyways, That really does not matter, because fox himself has not gone through a lot of changes..

Thanks for the help, and this may be an odd question, but how do you hold the controller

The Claw, or conventionally., I use a combination due to the speed required for that waveshine

 

[KingJiggyWiggy]

g. Infinite Forward-Reverse Waveshine (Peach, Link, and Zelda only)

What it is: Shining one of these characters, then wavedashing to the other side
of them, where you shine them again and wavedash to the other side, and so on.

How to do it: This infinite relies on a very quick forward and reverse
waveshine, so be quick with that as it is the only way to perform this.

Breakdown: You must perform the dual waveshines extremely quickly in order to
catch these characters before their traction pulls them too far away for you to
continue any longer. Do your best to perform perfect wavedashes to give your-
self the best chance at clearing your opponent.

Do you have to walk to actually get in front of them? I tried this and I have even put the game on half speed but even with the perfect wavedash Fox still can't get past them.

Is there a video for this? If there is, I can't find it.

 

[CunningKitsune]

Yeah, I'm not too clear on the specifics of that one. Just looking at it, however, it would seem that one would have to do one of two things: either incorporate walking (as you stated) or get out of the shine as quickly as possible such that you intercept your opponent before they slide too far away for you to continue.

In the end, though, this is nothing more than eye candy, and I highly advise against actually trying to work this into your game before getting other, far more important techniques well under your fingers. Still more incentive is the fact that it only works on one truly tournament-viable character, and that, should you desire to pull off something similar to this, inverted drill shines are far easier and far more consistent. Do what you will, though; I can only advise.

And no, I don't think that there is a video of this. Like I said, don't put too much stock into it.

 

[KingJiggyWiggy]

Thanks for answering. But I'm going to try and test it just to see if it can happen.

Do what you will, though; I can only advise.

Wow I like your style man. You answered the whole question professionally.

 

[Professor Pro]

You know when your runnin to someone and you crouch cancel b4 u reach them so they think ur goin to attack them. wouldn't it look more effective if you were to wavedash down as you stop right in the spot. or is there a difference in lag time i cannot tell

 

[Retroking2000]

you really helped me on my shine spike game

 

[KingJiggyWiggy]

Hmmm. I found out that the infinite forward-reverse shine is indeed possible. I did it once after trying it again a few days ago. You just have to move....really....fast....and perfect....

 

[SCOTU]

yeah, of course it's possible, that's why it's in his guide.

Cunning, another infinite, that isn't listed in your guide is the shl wallshine infinite. you can shff out of a shine into another shine against a wall, and it will combo. also, if you're pretty good at it, you can even throw in an shl. both of these require fastfalling.

 

[kerploplesteesh]

thats really interesting, never heard of it before. Ima go try it out right now. =p

 

[Boolossus]

"Fox is not for you if:
1. You are a slow player by nature.
2. You have slow fingers.
3. You do not think quickly.
4. You do not like winning. It will happen a lot with Fox.
5. You do not want to use high-tier characters. Fox is currently second in the
tiers behind Sheik.
6. You want to be decent quickly. That's why Sheik is here.
7. You think power beats speed every time. Yeah, better think about that
again.
8. You like raw power instead of blistering speed. You should be Ganondorf,
Bowser, or the like.
9. You hate characters with very sensitive controls.

Barring that stuff, you should enjoy playing as the lightning quick Fox. With
time, you will become nearly unstoppable with the vulpine. If you don't have
all that much time, Fox has a simple solution for you: blaster spamming. Works
every time."


-_- @ # 6... Every character takes skill to use. Someone can get decent just as quickly with Fox, Falco or Marth as they could with Sheik... It all depends on how you play.

Fox might be a little more technical than alot of other characters, but after a little time with him, you'll have a good handle on his controls.

 

[_kSo_]

I <3 CK

also person above me, wtf are you talking about?

although every character takes skill to be GOOD at, however starting off, certain characters are much easier to win with than others. such as kirby in n64 smash or pikachu. they're equivalent to shiek and marth and the like.

i'm not saying marth players or shiek players don't work hard at their game, but i know for a fact that beginner fox/falco players are not as good as beginner marth/shiek players.

 

[brawlpro]

Man, i should've read through the whole thing before my matches
Awesome job.

 

[ChivalRuse]

This guide is the solve-all, fountain-of-knowledge reference for my Fox. Thanks for all the time and effort. I really appreciate it.

 

[Oskurito]

Hmmm. I found out that the infinite forward-reverse shine is indeed possible. I did it once after trying it again a few days ago. You just have to move....really....fast....and perfect....

Against what character are you trying it? It's not that hard and you don't need the perfect wavedash if you're doing it against peach for example just waveshine as long as you can walk then shine again shineturn around and keep going(you can even waveshine backwards then turn around>shine and it still comboes)

 

[RaynEX]

Its not applicable in a real battle. Have any of you ever faced a GOOD Peach that knows how to D.I./smash D.i?

If they do know how, I think that if they Di the shine far enough you can't get past them, even with the perfect wavedash. However, if one manages to walk a bit after the Wd and make it to the other side, that lucky person will be at the mercy of Peaches amazing Dsmash.

Like CK said. Doing things for show = not good for your gameoplay

 

[SCOTU]

It's not hard to SDI out of. I know a few peaches who can SDI shines consistently. Makes it hard to just waveshine in one direction.

 

[Oskurito]

If they SDI or ASDI the dair I do a ftilt or jab depending in how further they've gone after the dair.

 

[SCOTU]

it's true, i've recently realized that the utilt and Ftilt can combo out of a drill kick. If they go behind you, utilt, if they go in front of you ftilt/ jab. (i didn't actually read exactly what Oskurito's post is in response to, since it's on the last page, but i'm assuming it's drillshining.)

Hm... it appears he's responding to topics of cruel waveshining... but there's no Dair involved... but anyway, what i said works when drillshining.

 

[Oskurito]

it's true, i've recently realized that the utilt and Ftilt can combo out of a drill kick. If they go behind you, utilt, if they go in front of you ftilt/ jab. (i didn't actually read exactly what Oskurito's post is in response to, since it's on the last page, but i'm assuming it's drillshining.)

Hm... it appears he's responding to topics of cruel waveshining... but there's no Dair involved... but anyway, what i said works when drillshining.

LOL I didn't even look at what I've writed >_> but yeah it combos... You do need advice on combos dude...

 

[RaynEX]

it's true, i've recently realized that the utilt and Ftilt can combo out of a drill kick

They can shield grab you after your drill if you land in front of them right?

&Won't a Sh bair from a spacey or Up B from Samus/Marth beat the utilt?

 

[brawlpro]

rayn, maybe this thread answer's your asdi ?...

 

[RaynEX]

yea i looked it up. I get it now.

=D

 

[pieisamazing]

Wow! Great guide! I'm trying to pick up Fox because Zelda and Sheik take too little technical skill. Not to say that I'm the best at shuffling, wavedashing, etc, but I'm working on it. I'm going to work on watching my opponent to plan my next move instead of my own character.

EDIT: I always spell Sheik wrong, doh >>

 

[SCOTU]

I'm trying to pick up Fox because Zelda and Sheik take too little technical skill.

No such thing. Fox requires more tech skill just to play at the same level as a zelda/ sheik, but the additional flashy stuff is, well, just flashy. Look at PC's fox, not very flashy at all, but the best fox in the nation.

 

[brawlpro]

Look at PC's fox, not very flashy at all, but the best fox in the nation.

it is not best in nation...is it?!?!?!?!?!?!

 

[A6M Zero]

Super. Brilliant. The best.

 

[pieisamazing]

No such thing. Fox requires more tech skill just to play at the same level as a zelda/ sheik, but the additional flashy stuff is, well, just flashy. Look at PC's fox, not very flashy at all, but the best fox in the nation.

I dunno. [To me] wavedashing with any sort of consistancy, shining at the right times, SHL, and shuffling seem "flashy" to me. = \ Then again, I'm a noob. But why bother playing Fox when one can just be on an even playing field by choosing Sheik? I don't care about infinites and that type of thing, just what can help me win (we all like that). Oh, I know that PC took on Ken with Falco, but I've seen videos of his Fox and it didn't seem as good as others. The videos were a bit dated so, meh = \

 

[Stratocaster]

this guide is amazing and must have taken alot of work, great job, its really helped me

 

[v3x?]

it's true, i've recently realized that the utilt and Ftilt can combo out of a drill kick. If they go behind you, utilt, if they go in front of you ftilt/ jab. (i didn't actually read exactly what Oskurito's post is in response to, since it's on the last page, but i'm assuming it's drillshining.)

Hm... it appears he's responding to topics of cruel waveshining... but there's no Dair involved... but anyway, what i said works when drillshining.

Mm i've got videos up of me utilizing its advantages against falco in particular. Although i use a pivoted utilt to get a bair in.

 

[G-Bis]

u covered every character really good.

 

[JhMS]

WOW...
Great thread.This will help me a lot....