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Just to let you know, he revised his opinion as of his 3/14 stream where he went over the VODs from Collision.
yup.
If their joy is derived solely from pushing a complex character to their limits, then surely those folks would do well to play Kazuya. Unlocking that full potential would bring them great happiness I am sure.
I know a large part of it is owed to Marss' absence, but yeesh, aside from Pichu, I don't think I've ever seen a character's results tank as hard as ZSS's has currently.
It's interesting though. Marss is indeed the main provider of ZSS results, but she's always had a solid cast of mains over in Japan with players like shky, Choco, and Kuro all adding to her results along with Marss, at least pre-quarantine. Has the lack of big tournaments in Japan added to this big decline in ZSS results, or has the meta simply caught up to her and her playerbase cannot keep up? (or in Marss' case, decided to become a content creator
)
Yea, just use Terry IMO. Better comeback mechanic, easier to learn and master (not easy, EASIER), faster, frame 3 jumpsquat, better ledge trapping, etc…
Yeah, he's not THAT hard. Everyone has to deal with 80 mu's not just Kazuya.
Unless you're some type of hybrid Tekken / Smash hardcore competitive player that's dead set on making Kazuya work in Ultimate.
You mean Korean, that's where the Tekken pros reside.
regularly got Top 33rds and 25ths from his primary players in majors and around 2021-2022, he even seemed to show a vastly increase in production, with major placements shown around Europe and Japan. He could be sporadic at times but he always held himself what, in my dimension, always considered Mid Tier, with a real argument being made to get him to High Tier.
Actually, it's probably KEN. KEN has been playing Sephiroth recently at Japanese regionals/locals and it's got some good results and wins such as Shuton's
, Ly's , Umeki, and HIKARU's .
Bold tier list, but Kazuya is definitely wrong, on all fronts. Even optimized Kazuya wouldn't reach this high, even if the case happens that a proffesional hybrid Smash / Tekken pro player from
The way people are assessing Pikachu has always been kinda strange to me. I feel like a lot of the theory around Pikachu is entirely correct and on point but the conclusions drawn from it are always wildly out of sync with this theory. Yes, Pikachu has busted tools, several important strengths that help him succeed and the ability to make up for his own weaknesses with proper play, but guess what? This also describes at least 1/4th of the rest of the cast too. And therein lies the disconnect. Pikachu is very strong, but he's not uniquely strong in a way that places his a cut above other similarly strong characters. He's just one top tier candidate in a sea of other top tier candidates and when analyzing at that level you need to dig a lot deeper than "PIKA BUSTED" to justify why his strengths are worth more than other characters' strengths. And in that context Pikachu starts to fall short in many ways.
Is it the same dimension where DK gets 33rds and 25ths a lot too? Where two DKs got 9th at Sumabato SP 23 a few posts up from mine? And yet, I still see him placed in the bottom of some tier lists and people act like it's far-fetched to think the monke may actually be Mid.It's a pretty basic list but looking at it, I've noticed something. Guys...I think I might be from a different dimension. You see in my dimension,
I wasn't as keen on that idea, but yeah, he has proven time and time again to at least be Mid. Sometimes it'd be on the upper end, sometimes he'd slow down and get on the lower end. But the thing is he always kind of remained there.
Now that was my universe but it seems in this Universe, Ridley doesn't get those kind of numbers, or maybe those numbers are now the Low Tier number. In my universe, there are players like Mezcaul, Momon and Nair^ (the latter's been kind of quiet) with an Orion status usually in the #40s, but has kind of been improving.
Although I do see that in your universe, you too have Pikachu as one of the absolute best characters. Awww, I suppose some things don't change throughout space and time.
Seriously, get Ridley the f*** out of Low Tier.
Mostly solid tier list I'd say. There are some nitpicks I have here and there (imo a fair number of the mid-tiers could be high tier, a most of the low tiers could be mid-tier, etc.) but that's bound to happen given the sheer roster size.
I mean, not too long ago Cosmos did win Glitch Infinite so it's proof Pyra/Mythra can still do well. Obviously Cosmos got 33rd afterwards getting upset by SHADIC and Peabnut but Cosmos did a bunch of poor DI choices against
's tipper Pin and died really early during a couple of games on last stock scenarios. Peabnut's set against Cosmos was also offstream so we don't have gameplay footage of how Cosmos lost that set.
"Terrible" is an exaggeration on my part (almost no one in this game is terrible), but are you watching the gameplay? The same Mythra short hops that were looking unpunishable are now looking like silly neutral gimmicks.
All the mentioned characters are sitting comfortably in top 5 on Orion stats and have been for a long time. They're not going anywhere.
Sure, but they are hardly an infestation that will overtake the meta. Seems people really overreacted to the Aegis sisters.
Yes, we've heard all this. I'd point to results but I've really stopped caring. Call Aegis "terrible" all you want.
IDK, I don't think this list is too good. Falco, for example, on the surface seems pretty easy, but he has a lot of combo routes that you need to practice and vary depending on the different characters. Heck, even once you practice them, some of them are susceptible to very easy counterplay that you also need to be aware of. For example, against, Yoshi, Falco has a psuedo chain grab with D-Throw -> Fair Dragdown, but Yoshi always has the option to SDI the Fair to avoid this set-up, so you need to prepare accordingly. Falco has a good kill confirm in Up-Tilt -> Back air, and imo its a bit more generous than Roy's Jab -> Bair, but again, its something that you need to practice since the timing is somewhat tight. You also gotta practice stuff like instant double jumping / actice hops to maximize your damage output at certain percents. Technically you could just go for the easy mode Up-tilt combos like Up-Tilt -> Nair and what not, but to maximize Falco's potential, its important to master the more difficult combos. Also, I disagree with Riddles on the elite smash part. See WAY more Foxes and Wolfs (Wolves?) on elite smash than Falco.
I watched some of the footage and it looked like MKLeo was getting punished pretty hard for some of his getup / landing options as Aegis. I saw him do landing Fair off of Ledge as Mythra or landing Dair as Pyra and promptly get F-Smashed by Zenyou. He did some of the same options as Corrin, but was able to avoid getting punished, I think as a result of Corrin's longer F-Air hitbox. Something else really notable I saw MKLeo go for as Corrin was Up-Air -> Forward-air, which limited Zenyou's options in how he could land. Corrin's Up-Air has nearly 20 frames less ending lag than Pyra's Up air, yet still has pretty good kill power, which made it harder for Zenyou to avoid being juggled. I also saw MKLeo fake out his landings occasionally with Back Air, letting him readjust his a position & avoid Zenyou's punish attempts.
They aren't terrible, but they aren't this meta crushing threat they were made out to be. People adapted, and now they're just good. They aren't getting Smash 4 Cloud representation. Better than someone like Sora, sure, but the fear mongering hasn't played out.
