Collection Room: Sonic Video Archive & Critique

[Camalange]

I have a habit of it too.

I wouldn't say to never do it, because it's a strong tool, but I find myself committing to it too much as well when it won't work.

There's definitely a time and place, considering Fsmash is disjointed and hits hard, it can be the most optimal punish, especially against the 1 frame invulnerability on ledgesnap, or if you can pop them during the 2 frame window of get-up from ledge. Also works great on moves coming in horizontally that try to snap to the ledge because of the disjoint/if they mess up their aim.

 

[TheFinalHeart]

So a lot of sonic mains have been struggling with killing their opponents. As such they would raise the percentage allowing the opponent to have more rage hence allowing them to kill earlier. This backfires the strategy of hit and run that sonic is most known for and lets be honest it doesn't feel nice when you get killed at 80% because your opponent has max rage . So here are few setups that you can use to take your opponents stock much earlier.

 

[Camalange]

I got like a minute in and you missed the set-up for the first one, and then the second one immediately states it's not a reliable kill confirm... But "probably kills with rage". Just a lot of things that could've been better explored, implemented, and edited. I've now watched a minute of you failing to kill with Spindash > Uair, which is also one of the most basic bread and butters Sonic has had since he was born.

Please, especially if you're dedicating a thread to it, have consistent and concise information. Also, as a general rule of thumb, the video archive is a preferred location.

EDIT:

Because you didn't take kindly to my actions here...

No one's doubting that Spindash > Uair is a combo or can potentially kill with rage... Your presentation of the information is just poor and it's also common knowledge.

Here's a tournament match of me doing the combo and getting the kill because of rage and Kirby being light. It's not really an ideal way to be getting kills because it's pretty desperate.

EDIT:

Moved to the video archive.

 

[kj22]

Have a bunch of sets from a 50 man tournament yesterday, critique in any (the Yoshi one in particular) would be most appreciated!

SFC15 | KJ (Sonic) vs SU | Jumbolias (Ike) | WR3
SFC15 | KJ (Sonic) vs Wenis (Luigi) | W:QF
SFC15 | KJ (Sonic) vs Whispy (Falcon, Diddy Kong) | W:SF
SFC15 | KJ (Sonic) vs Dojo | BC (Villager) | Winner's Finals
SFC15 | SU The Wall (Yoshi) vs KJ (Sonic) | Loser's Finals

Struggled vs Yoshi alot, not sure what to do against him ;/

EDIT: if some of the videos don't work try this link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPtOiu8tY8Y&index=3&list=PL_3tyUdL7vLJC3pNwg604K3mZdC-1bxp1
Vs whispy is at 04:11:40
Vs BC is at 04:57:50

Sadly didn't know WF (and GF, and LF) was 2/3, so in WF just chilled game 1 only to realize after game 2 it was 2/3

 

[Kupo Rose]

It's always when I just finish updating new vids come in again ffffff.

 

[kj22]

ly2 kupo <3

 

[Kupo Rose]

burn in helllll

 

[Espy Rose]

I love kupo more.

 

[kj22]

http://www.twitch.tv/smashunited/v/17007492?t=55m15s KJ vs DJFlipphop (Diddy)
http://www.twitch.tv/smashunited/v/17007492?t=1h39m35s KJ vs BigBoss (Peach)
http://www.twitch.tv/smashunited/v/17007492?t=1h50m29s KJ vs The Wall (Yoshi) LF
http://www.twitch.tv/smashunited/v/17007492?t=2h09m46s KJ vs DJFliphop (Diddy) GF

 

[Myst_R]

http://www.twitch.tv/smashunited/v/17007492?t=55m15s KJ vs DJFlipphop (Diddy)
http://www.twitch.tv/smashunited/v/17007492?t=1h39m35s KJ vs BigBoss (Peach)
http://www.twitch.tv/smashunited/v/17007492?t=1h50m29s KJ vs The Wall (Yoshi) LF
http://www.twitch.tv/smashunited/v/17007492?t=2h09m46s KJ vs DJFliphop (Diddy) GF

And I guess this is why we don't want Wuhu Island as a legit stage

 

[da K.I.D.]

https://youtu.be/QSzsHVn0myw

 

[jaimex2]

https://youtu.be/QSzsHVn0myw

I'll never understand homing attack. @ 2:33 wtf did it lock on to?

 

[Kupo Rose]

That was the custom homing attack Stomp.

 

[Espy Rose]

Kupy where have you been in my liffeeeeee?

 

[Kupo Rose]

Down your pants.

 

[Espy Rose]

That got lewd so fast.

 

[Kupo Rose]

You enjoy the quickies.

 

[kj22]

Yay more videos/critiques please

AB6 Smash 4 - Karna (Sheik) vs HTX | KJ (Sonic) - Winners Bracket (Karna's #1 Sheik in Texas for sure, also #1 on Dallas's PR above Dakpo/Denti/Aerolink)

AB6 Smash 4 - HTX | SU | The Wall (Yoshi) vs HTX | KJ (Sonic) - Losers Bracket (The Wall is an upcoming smasher from Houston who is very good, beat denti 3-0 at this tournament, getting 2nd and losing to Karna)

AB6 Smash 4 - HTX | KJ (Sonic) vs SaSSy (ROB) - Winners Bracket (#1/2 on Austin's PR, great ROB, notable wins include Trela)

Needed a better way to get in in neutral vs sheik, also was too unsafe when ledgetrapping, threw out lots of punished smashes. I knew he was going to ledge jump and tried angling it up but I was misspacing the fsmash everytime. Need to get consistent at spinshotting with the A button (prefer c-stick to smash) from side-B so i can jump over needles at a moments notice.
Was also suprised/saddened that upB killed, didn't think it would. The only thing I inputted (besides DI) was a cstick fair, maybe that killed me? :/

Vs the wall was a volatile set, we've played a bunchhhh know each other's playstyles, still getting in on Yoshi can be so frustrating. Not sure what option to do to cover crossups, yoshi has so little landing lag its crazy, combined with jabs that lead to smashes and that's eww.

My set with sassy is exactly why I dislike 2 stock

 

[Camalange]

That got lewd so fast.

You enjoy the quickies.

Gotta go fast?

 

[KyroChao]

I feel like im getting better at Sonic. Not sure tho XP

 

[Camalange]

Singles
Smash w/ B.A.E. 2 - LoCal | Lawz vs LoCal | Camalange vs

Smash w/ B.A.E. 2 - LoCal | Camalange vs Dark Falco vs

Smash w/ B.A.E. 2 - LoCal | Camalange vs DisqoBunny vs


Doubles
Smash w/ B.A.E. 2 - (LoCal Lawz + LoCal Camalange) vs (BBM Hero + Faker2G) Winners ( + ) vs ( + )

Smash w/ B.A.E. 2 - (LoCal Lawz + LoCal Camalange) vs (Ninja + OW | C3PO) ( + ) vs ( + )

Smash w/ B.A.E. 2 - (Jrx + Aneudy) vs (LoCal Lawz + LoCal Camalange) Winners Finals ( + ) vs ( / + )

Smash w/ B.A.E. 2 - (LoCal Lawz + LoCal Camalange) vs (Ninja + OW | C3PO) Grand Finals ( + ) vs ( + / )

Forgive the commentary. Might be best to watch on mute.

 

[LightSpeed]

Hi guys, I went to my 3rd tournament on this last Sunday, September 27th, Super Smash Sundays #33! I believe this tourney had over 100 people. The last tournament I went to was in April so I am very new to the whole scene, and I get nervous quite easily. I mostly practice on anther's ladder (laggy online) and my casual friends irl which I always body. Only one of my friends really puts up a challenge against me, and we usually go even. That one friend and I went to SSS #33 and though we won a doubles match, we both went 0-4 in Singles. I was lucky enough to get my match in loser's recorded. I know I made a ton of mistakes. It's not a good excuse but I was pretty nervous and I kept thinking this guy is so much more experienced then me. Needless to say I would really love critique: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP8_odH-ox8

 

[Spitfire16]

What with the new update had to delete all the other replays I wanted to put up, but I got more in the little time I had. I was going back and forth with exchanging wins with my opponent and I gathered some of my losses and I'm desperately looking for a critique since I never seemed to get one in the past. What do I gotta do to improve my Sanic?

(Dat unintentional SD, I bring shame to my Sawnik brethren)

 

[BlueTerrorist]

Videos from PopnOFF 16


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixr4PKhtQHo&index=7&list=PLz7rkkbQbM0mos_dUZFT694b2RTe1PXwP - Vs JohnNumbers (Wii Fit/ 1st round only)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NV_-1b0DXY&index=5&list=PLz7rkkbQbM0mos_dUZFT694b2RTe1PXwP
Vs. Vinylic (Kirby/Toon Link. 2nd and 3rd round only)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li4My87qUk4&index=4&list=PLz7rkkbQbM0mos_dUZFT694b2RTe1PXwP
Vs. The Luigi Kid (Luigi/Diddy)

Losers Finals:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ipOmOh5Eno&index=3&list=PLz7rkkbQbM0mos_dUZFT694b2RTe1PXwP
Vs. MikeKirby (Kirby/Metaknight)

 

[KyroChao]

Ran into a glitch mid set after a bad sd on my part. Still pull through in the end but man were we laughing so hard.
Any feedback on my sonic would be greatly appreciated.

 

[DanishButrCookies]

 

[da K.I.D.]

Whats the name of that song

 

[Kupo Rose]

UK Tournament from last week with about 180'ish entrants just days after the 1.1.1 patch. We had to play with the Diddy grab glitch, fortunately nothing major happened as far as I'm aware.

Ixis taking 3rd place. I took 25th cause I'm bad.

Ixis vs iStudying https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHeDBArxjec

Ixis vs J Miller https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ikofWVz6zw

Ixis vs Matsu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yutyQI81KCo

Ixis vs Greward https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBOjBO8EpKo

______

Ixis & C.R.Z. vs Anaky & J Miller https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyS-t_OEr7Y

Ixis & C.R.Z. vs Mr R & Skippo / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn2lEyeLf6E

Ixis & C.R.Z. vs Smashbound & Reptile https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V173UapChfQ

 

[Camalange]

I played against Jtails in tournament too with the glitch legal and it never occurred... Glad we don't have to worry about that ever again with 1.1.2 already out.

 

[KromosomY]

Hey people I'm an aspiring Sonic player here. I grew up with sonic from the 90s and had been using him since Brawl. I only got competitive in SSB4 however and am still pretty new to Sonic Techs. Any feedback would be great!

https://youtu.be/VTiI8OG1C0Y?t=169

 

[kj22]

Cammy teach me the sheik matchup before MLG ):

https://youtu.be/6frxmJdOPmw?t=1h6m30s

KJ vs Samboner (sheik)

Really really realllyyyy hate this mu

Camalange

 

[da K.I.D.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBqDVkMlefw&list=PL65a-3VW3ivzNudkECDlsP96gbOEu5wb3&index=10

peep the end of this video. at 8 min. the f tilt hitbox is lol

 

[Espy Rose]

Reminds me of the ghost hitbox that would appear on Sonic's ftilt in Brawl.
Good times.

 

[Camalange]

Cammy teach me the sheik matchup before MLG ):

https://youtu.be/6frxmJdOPmw?t=1h6m30s

KJ vs Samboner (sheik)

Really really realllyyyy hate this mu

Camalange

I will give this a watch and let you know my thoughts.

Did you by chance see my set against Lawz? I wish more of my Sheik matches were online but that is my most recent one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBqDVkMlefw&list=PL65a-3VW3ivzNudkECDlsP96gbOEu5wb3&index=10

peep the end of this video. at 8 min. the f tilt hitbox is lol

Smash 4 has great hitboxes.

 

[Forest2FP]

Hello guys :D, I am a player from Colombia, we do local tournaments every month, I have some recordings a friend of us did, I want you to analyze the matches and give me some feedback on my playstyle, things I could do better and things I am doing horribly wrong, or point what things I am doing good, It'll be really helpful for me to advance on my playstyle to another level , I am a Sonic main, the player to watch is 2FP|Forest
This match is from more than a month ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-y3uvsk4x0

These matches are from the tournament played last weekend:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIetl9joN6A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxw6z7jYToI (Last stock on this one was so funny ahahaha)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3mA4q9B164
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gucKgf6OSg

Also if someone could give me some tips against Sonic vs Link matchup would be pretty nice, one of my teammates plays him (I haven't seen a better link in competitive) and I find it really annoying to go in, he uses the custom preset of the normal boomerang and the bombs that spike

 

[Camalange]

Cammy teach me the sheik matchup before MLG ):

https://youtu.be/6frxmJdOPmw?t=1h6m30s

KJ vs Samboner (sheik)

Really really realllyyyy hate this mu

Camalange

I think you rely too much on spin still.

Your approaches are rather weak and you're whiffing a lot of grabs and things like that in a match-up where you can't afford to. Focus more on spacing and taking proper hit confirms for damage out of grab and other options than just spin, and learn when you can and can't punish OoS.

Jumping as often as you do against Sheik isn't great... Especially when you're going for ASC... Why? ASC is pretty awful in this game. It hurts your approach vastly. You lose your DJ, it's not multi-hit anymore, and it has very little priority and she has so much time just to Fair you away. You should approach more with shield or just wait it out. Don't be so quick to throw out jumps and spins... Especially in tandem. It commits you to such a bad approach because you can't jump out of ASC when it lands.

Even when you're getting Fair walled... Why do you keep trying to spin? That's such a bad option and you're only taking damage for it. Either take the hits and hold onto your double jump or find an appropriate time to spring out. Airdodge is a maybe but usually a risk.

I even see you jump > spin as a ledge option...

pls stop spinning :x

You're also super predictable when you recover. You just drift towards the ledge or go low to snap to the ledge. You ate two back to back bouncing fishes... You should be expecting those.

Also, at the end of the round, it was clear that he was... Fishing... If you will... For that Vanish kill... Why did you keep giving him airdodges?

Overall, felt to me that your movement and confirms could use work. You have to be able to utilize all of Sonic's tools and get more optimal/efficient if you want to ever beat half-decent Sheiks. Also need to be way more aware of her options and what her set-ups are because that last kill was extremely telegraphed.

 

[kj22]

I think you rely too much on spin still.

Your approaches are rather weak and you're whiffing a lot of grabs and things like that in a match-up where you can't afford to. Focus more on spacing and taking proper hit confirms for damage out of grab and other options than just spin, and learn when you can and can't punish OoS.

Jumping as often as you do against Sheik isn't great... Especially when you're going for ASC... Why? ASC is pretty awful in this game. It hurts your approach vastly. You lose your DJ, it's not multi-hit anymore, and it has very little priority and she has so much time just to Fair you away. You should approach more with shield or just wait it out. Don't be so quick to throw out jumps and spins... Especially in tandem. It commits you to such a bad approach because you can't jump out of ASC when it lands.

Even when you're getting Fair walled... Why do you keep trying to spin? That's such a bad option and you're only taking damage for it. Either take the hits and hold onto your double jump or find an appropriate time to spring out. Airdodge is a maybe but usually a risk.

I even see you jump > spin as a ledge option...

pls stop spinning :x

You're also super predictable when you recover. You just drift towards the ledge or go low to snap to the ledge. You ate two back to back bouncing fishes... You should be expecting those.

Also, at the end of the round, it was clear that he was... Fishing... If you will... For that Vanish kill... Why did you keep giving him airdodges?

Overall, felt to me that your movement and confirms could use work. You have to be able to utilize all of Sonic's tools and get more optimal/efficient if you want to ever beat half-decent Sheiks. Also need to be way more aware of her options and what her set-ups are because that last kill was extremely telegraphed.

I think I'm spinning because I don't know what else to do. I feel like I only have a few options because needles shut down so much. I jump to avoid being stuck in shield on the ground and getting grabbed out of my dash to shield.

What do you mean by focus more on spacing and taking proper hit confirms for damage out of grab?

I know I should've avoided both those bouncing fishes, I didn't react in time. At the end of that game I was honestly just fed up with Sheik and running around trying to catch her. I really do struggle versus even "half-decent" sheiks and it sucks.

 

[kid craft 24/sonic master]

This list might get alittle long as I've literally been swamped with tournaments to have enough time to post vids :/

1.1.0--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Craftis vs Rabit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSW0fibrD_4&index=5&list=PL7hGaylW0zfgRNSbIfr7JN20gWIDOl50H

Craftis vs DJ Delta *
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ6vvvHkDIM&index=9&list=PL7hGaylW0zfgRNSbIfr7JN20gWIDOl50H

Craftis vs DJ Delta *
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE_760MZq0&index=11&list=PL7hGaylW0zfgRNSbIfr7JN20gWIDOl50H

*not sure the the game audio was replaced with music

Craftis vs Pugwest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn_yYfGbTYI#t=59m00s

Craftis vs Ice arrow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn_yYfGbTYI#t=1h27m00s

Craftis vs LordXav1er
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn_yYfGbTYI#t=2h36m10s

Craftis vs Dissent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn_yYfGbTYI#t=2h47m20s

Craftis vs Captain Awesum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn_yYfGbTYI#t=2h55m10s

Craftis vs Marss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn_yYfGbTYI#t=3h6m40s

1.1.1--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Craftis vs Koolaid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db5YIBQ0pSo

Craftis vs Captain Awesum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA-HP6sRJUc

Craftis vs Rabit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXfqGWl8FMo&index=6&list=PL7hGaylW0zfhs4JJXJhhsWA56GFrtZo2J

Craftis vs DJ Delta
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ7Pi0JZThI&index=12&list=PL7hGaylW0zfhs4JJXJhhsWA56GFrtZo2J

1.1.2--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Craftis vs G Jay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q15BLEduLuQ

Craftis vs LordXav1er
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daXQa3NQp28

Craftis vs Marss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR8DSDxHPNc

Craftis vs Space Mario
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNbL2b8_YWs

Craftis vs Marss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHjJqer0Rb0

Craftis vs BBQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFi11TR-uVI

Craftis vs Pelca
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YStaFipMARg

Craftis vs Pugwest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4f_C6gRNMk

Craftis vs Pugwest /
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEIhcmnoi1E

Craftis vs Nicho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqDRM5aZ-KY

Craftis vs XORN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YliMr81QDF8

Craftis vs NTarps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Ytbn9dCXU

Craftis vs NTarps/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUs7wUZgVFM

Craftis vs Goombalaya
http://www.twitch.tv/smashonthehillboston/v/21144550?t=3h10m40s

Craftis vs GuriZuri
http://www.twitch.tv/smashonthehillboston/v/21144550?t=4h11m20s

Craftis vs Ice Arrow
http://www.twitch.tv/smashonthehillboston/v/21144550?t=4h41m30s
Craftis vs Raffi-X
http://www.twitch.tv/smashonthehillboston/v/21144550?t=4h48m30s

Craftis vs BelaC
http://www.twitch.tv/smashonthehillboston/v/21144550?t=6h17m40s
Craftis vs Element Demon
http://www.twitch.tv/smashonthehillboston/v/21144550?t=6h32m20s
Craftis vs Raffi-X
http://www.twitch.tv/smashonthehillboston/v/21144550?t=6h49m30s

 

[Kupo Rose]

(updated)

 

[Camalange]

I think I'm spinning because I don't know what else to do. I feel like I only have a few options because needles shut down so much.

Then you're letting needles win already.

Spinning gets bodied by needles too, so that won't help. Don't fall into the sonic spin auto-pilot. Take your time. Run and shield, watch their patterns, and react accordingly. Do you know how much of top level Sheik play is needle conditioning? It's similar to spin conditioning (but way better).

I jump to avoid being stuck in shield on the ground and getting grabbed out of my dash to shield.

If you shield needles from a distance, you're perfectly fine. Otherwise, pressure enough so they don't have time to throw needles.

What do you mean by focus more on spacing and taking proper hit confirms for damage out of grab?

By spinning around you lose a lot of ground, and when you did try to approach you whiffed a lot.

If you're more confident in your frames and actually punish Sheik (which is possible) it becomes much more manageable, and if you can hit confirm well or follow-up grabs, Sheik takes damage pretty easily, surprisingly. Low percents? Sonic can Uthrow > Bair for free combos. Mid? Uthrow > Uair/Nair. High mid? Uthrow > Spring > aerial.

Just because Sheik can throw needles and Fair wall you doesn't mean you can't get some free damage too.

I know I should've avoided both those bouncing fishes, I didn't react in time. At the end of that game I was honestly just fed up with Sheik and running around trying to catch her. I really do struggle versus even "half-decent" sheiks and it sucks.

When I say half-decent Sheiks, I don't mean it to discredit you, but I mean it so that you can't be afraid of the character.

Lately, I feel Sonic doesn't lose this match-up by much in comparison to most of the cast.