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Collection Room: Sonic Video Archive & Critique

Spitfire16

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Speaking of critique's is it actually a thing around these parts? I haven't actually seen one since I came here, is it still the case or has something changed? Do only tournament video's get critique's?
 

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I have videos for my stupid Sonic and it's stupid tendency to SD soon. :applejack:
 
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Kupo Rose

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Speaking of critique's is it actually a thing around these parts? I haven't actually seen one since I came here, is it still the case or has something changed? Do only tournament video's get critique's?
It's a thing.

Just doesn't happen often.

I have videos for my stupid Sonic and it's stupid tendency to SD soon. :applejack:


 

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As someone fighting a Sonic main did I miss any cues that could have been used to punish him? I really had a hard time landing as well.

 

Damandatwin

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I'm not at home so I can't test this, but most of the time to punish your landing he was pre-emptively charging SD. Instead of landing with a nair, is there enough time to just land with no aerial and shield immediately? If not maybe there is some other option like side B or maybe even up B you can do just to mix up your landing because falling nair is getting you punished a lot.

Also if you look at how he was hitting you in neutral, a lot of the time it was because you either:

1) did something with a lot of endlag like the full jab combo, or
2) jumped (often to short hop nair)

The short hop nair didn't seem to work because he was just going right under it with SD and hitting you. So I guess keep in mind this option isn't safe if they are already charging SD.

I am not sure what Ike does in neutral against Sonic but one thing to keep in mind is if he charges his SD too much to be able to shield cancel you may be able to punish it with dash attack.

In terms of how to punish him I see one opportunity for a hard punish that could have been really useful. Normally, when Sonic spin dashes through your shield and jumps, if you have a fast aerial (probably including Ike's up air or bair) you can hit him right after he goes through your shield. If he doesn't jump he has a lot of lag as he hits your shield and you can grab him. What Wrath was doing to try to avoid this was to spring after spin dashing into your shield (at about 1:47 for example) and then using dair to get back to the ground quickly. He was landing really close to you though which isn't safe at all, I know characters like Fox can up smash to punish it and maybe you can too, although you'd have to do it in advance of the dair. Either way the option he picked is really unsafe and you didn't take full advantage of it. This is really important because spin dash into shield is so common and knowing how to deal with it is essential to fighting Sonic.
 
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I have a set that I played against 6wx's Cloud that I would like you guys to critique.
https://youtu.be/D_5LXm_aRYo (First 2 matches)
You were playing pretty well. The only thing I saw really was your spin dashes into aerial cancels getting punished. Cloud's air space should be respected at all times.

Other than that, nice fights against 6WX, one of the Sonic specialists!
 

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So this was my first fight I ever uploaded back in August. Dang already that long ago....


And this is my most recent upload. Need to work in combos because I suuuuuuck at those
 

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some new vids :v, Mii gunner in GF LOL , im new in this MU and Cloud too, any tips about counterpicks/bans? , in this new rules i ban always dream land, and they pick BF all the time, i prefer BF over dreamland, im wrong?
GF vs flama (Mii Gunner) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ProxowLRMs0&index=26&list=PLiETKvLuyh9WR4BH2Mrou53LQLSeNUNMh
WF vs flama (Mii Gunner) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p7VK83Gjgg&list=PLiETKvLuyh9WR4BH2Mrou53LQLSeNUNMh&index=22
WB vs Addy (Cloud) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVshddpSG-Q&index=10&list=PLiETKvLuyh9WR4BH2Mrou53LQLSeNUNMh
WB vs Jinx (Metaknight) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6lGRQv6N94&index=16&list=PLiETKvLuyh9WR4BH2Mrou53LQLSeNUNMh
 

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some new vids :v, Mii gunner in GF LOL , im new in this MU and Cloud too, any tips about counterpicks/bans? , in this new rules i ban always dream land, and they pick BF all the time, i prefer BF over dreamland, im wrong?
GF vs flama (Mii Gunner) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ProxowLRMs0&index=26&list=PLiETKvLuyh9WR4BH2Mrou53LQLSeNUNMh
WF vs flama (Mii Gunner) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p7VK83Gjgg&list=PLiETKvLuyh9WR4BH2Mrou53LQLSeNUNMh&index=22
WB vs Addy (Cloud) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVshddpSG-Q&index=10&list=PLiETKvLuyh9WR4BH2Mrou53LQLSeNUNMh
WB vs Jinx (Metaknight) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6lGRQv6N94&index=16&list=PLiETKvLuyh9WR4BH2Mrou53LQLSeNUNMh
I'm thinking about doing a Cloud vs Sonic analysis. I will send it your way.

AEX 10 Doubles

Camalange + Lawz (Needlemouse) Vs. C3PO + Seagull Joe (C3PJoe) - Grand Finals
:4sonic: + :4sheik: Vs. :4diddy: + :4sonic: / :4bowserjr:
https://youtu.be/k446nwwBbdw


Smash with BAE #6 Singles

Vs. Fabled (iRJi) - Losers Quarters
:4yoshi:
https://youtu.be/zAF_BPDPNfc

Vs. Squall - Losers Semis
:4cloud:
https://youtu.be/DAVQO5RGfZM

Vs. Riz (Avalon) - Losers Finals
:4sheik:
https://youtu.be/mONpMsfl26M

:093:
 

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Oh, I forgot to post these from weeks ago. The quality isn't the best on these due to technical errors at the venue.

Smash w/ BAE #5 Crews

Grand Finals
New Jersey vs Central PA
(Angel Cortes / Biddy / ADHD / Atomsk / Shoopuff) vs ( Lawz / C3PO / GwJ / Ninja / Camalange)
https://youtu.be/LUXxu7F_fDE

Smash w/ BAE #5 Singles

vs LoCal Lawz
:4sheik:
https://youtu.be/yMpmsKJAd-s

vs MA Biddy
:4tlink:
https://youtu.be/eScIB1qpoWs

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we need to learn to purposefully do the kind of spindash that leads to shieldpokes, like at https://youtu.be/yMpmsKJAd-s?t=6m58s

I'll add more as I continue watching
 

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we need to learn to purposefully do the kind of spindash that leads to shieldpokes, like at https://youtu.be/yMpmsKJAd-s?t=6m58s

I'll add more as I continue watching
I do purposely do that, though.

It's just a finicky thing to initiate, but I recognize when it happens and have an idea in what situations and how it's caused. It's the slow spin, and during slow spin, you can do that variant of VSDJ, basically. Really great on shield.

Also, right after that, you reminded me I landed a reverse Utilt > Bair. Nice.

:093:
 

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I'm thinking about doing a Cloud vs Sonic analysis. I will send it your way.

AEX 10 Doubles

Camalange + Lawz (Needlemouse) Vs. C3PO + Seagull Joe (C3PJoe) - Grand Finals
:sonic: + :4sheik: Vs. :4diddy: + :4sonic: / :4bowserjr:
https://youtu.be/k446nwwBbdw


Smash with BAE #6 Singles

Vs. Fabled (iRJi) - Losers Quarters
:4yoshi:
https://youtu.be/zAF_BPDPNfc

Vs. Squall - Losers Semis
:4cloud:
https://youtu.be/DAVQO5RGfZM

Vs. Riz (Avalon) - Losers Finals
:4sheik:
https://youtu.be/mONpMsfl26M

:093:
that set vs squall was pretty nuts, the comeback was really impressive. game 4 in particular really made it look like cloud has a hard time landing vs sonic without platforms
 

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that set vs squall was pretty nuts, the comeback was really impressive. game 4 in particular really made it look like cloud has a hard time landing vs sonic without platforms
Thanks! It wasn't easy, but I had to learn on the fly.

Yeah, I think camping his landing and getting him offstage to bully him there the fastest way possible is really the biggest thing we have to do at all times to win this match-up.

:093:
 

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Hey guys I recently moved to New York and started playing at Nebulous. I haven't any very recent videos to show you but feel free to watch and give me your opinion on my Sonic if you don't mind. Thanks!

Here are the only matches I've found so far:


Again, thanks for your advice/ thoughts. Hopefully I can make some noise as a top player in this region this year. If I can get more recent matches in the future I'll post them too. Sonic Speed!
 
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Hey guys. Im a sonic main looking for some hardcore critique to step it up. Here is a recent video from for glory. This was in some decent lag just so you know. Bring on the advice please!

 

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Hey guys. Im a sonic main looking for some hardcore critique to step it up. Here is a recent video from for glory. This was in some decent lag just so you know. Bring on the advice please!

The biggest flaw in the match that I saw was that you never used U-Throw and too many homing attacks.. U-Throw to Uair at low percents work well and a possible Bair can usually net you an easy 20%. Then later at mid to high perecents you can use spring to follow them with an Uair, Fair, or if you reverse the spring you could get them with a Bair. D-Throw is a good tech chase of course, but make sure to mix it up a bit to get them off guard. Then there is the homing attack. I liked what you were going for in some cases, but overall it isn't the best thing to try and punish with unless you know it will hit. At least in my opinion because of how often it curves and makes you miss the opponent lol. Hopefully I explained it properly for you, I haven't really posted advice before.
 

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I played a couple of friendly sets with my crew mate. These are the ones I lost. I felt like I played good. I tried my best to use the DDP and other things I've been practicing. I lost for a reason though and I need to fix that reason!

CCC | Rudy (Sonic) vs CCC | Tarzan (Donkey Kong)

Match 1:https://youtu.be/O5cKqLZDtaw
Match 2:https://youtu.be/FImQHW2x8ns
Match 3:https://youtu.be/BNic8jT1r1c

P.s. For future reference, how do I use sprites?
 
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I played a couple of friendly sets with my crew mate. These are the ones I lost. I felt like I played good. I tried my best to use the DDP and other things I've been practicing. I lost for a reason though and I need to fix that reason!

CCC Rudy (Sonic) vs CCC Tarzan (Donkey Kong)

Match 1:https://youtu.be/O5cKqLZDtaw
Match 2:https://youtu.be/FImQHW2x8ns
Match 3:https://youtu.be/BNic8jT1r1c

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I feel like the first two matches could have gone both ways, its the third one where there is a difference. I feel like you were the only one approaching which put you in a disadvantageous position at times where CCC Tarzan was able to punish. Your approaches were at times easy to predict, however, this was just my observation. Your kill options got repetitive and predictable (spring to upair, down smash near ledge). I feel you need to up your offstage game. DK has bad vertical recovery, you could have used this to your advantage to gimp him or at least pressure him off stage.

I say that you should have to make him approach you more and condition DK to make a wrong decision. Sonic has many better options than DK. During the end of the 3rd match, he was just camping you out and waiting for the right moment to attack. I think thats because he caught on to your approach habits, Spin Dash or running up to him. Which also leads me to say, i feel you aren't using sonic at the highest potential you could. You were usually running away from DK when you actually could have punished harder at close range, which forced you to approach again. I think that this made you easier to predict, which lead to him taking your last stock.
 
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I feel like the first two matches could have gone both ways, its the third one where there is a difference. I feel like you were the only one approaching which put you in a disadvantageous position at times where CCC Tarzan was able to punish. Your approaches were at times easy to predict, however, this was just my observation. Your kill options got repetitive and predictable (spring to upair, down smash near ledge). I feel you need to up your offstage game. DK has bad vertical recovery, you could have used this to your advantage to gimp him or at least pressure him off stage.

I say that you should have to make him approach you more and condition DK to make a wrong decision. Sonic has many better options than DK. During the end of the 3rd match, he was just camping you out and waiting for the right moment to attack. I think thats because he caught on to your approach habits, Spin Dash or running up to him. Which also leads me to say, i feel you aren't using sonic at the highest potential you could. You were usually running away from DK when you actually could have punished harder at close range, which forced you to approach again. I think that this made you easier to predict, which lead to him taking your last stock.
Thanks man! Your input is much appreciated! But what do you mean when you say highest potential? Like staying in the fight a little bit longer before I get out? Also, what would you say are some good mix ups for Sonic's approach? The reason my approaches get predictable is because I feel like my main two approaches help me the most with damage racking.

Camalange Camalange I didn't mean to double post this time. Something happened with my Wifi and it made it look like the first attempt did not go through.

I have a few more matches up. I played some sets with PACkageFruits, a PacMan who's power ranked 3rd in my region:

Match 1: https://youtu.be/LvgouIfoq7w?list=PLS6ssrMgIEh2LQQZkZKhT1bBkkxAcYn1p
Match 2: https://youtu.be/MUGctCrOFSQ?list=PLS6ssrMgIEh2LQQZkZKhT1bBkkxAcYn1p
Match 3: https://youtu.be/cun-HX8RZdM?list=PLS6ssrMgIEh2LQQZkZKhT1bBkkxAcYn1p
Match 4: https://youtu.be/QSveFZbOvLU?list=PLS6ssrMgIEh2LQQZkZKhT1bBkkxAcYn1p
 
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I put this off for too long... My apologies.

Nebulous Prime 26 Doubles


Camalange + DarkBlues Vs. ANTi + Dill [Winners]
:4sonic: + :4cloud: Vs. :4mario: + :4sheik:
https://youtu.be/iso7uV8S6aU

Camalange + DarkBlues Vs. Mugutu + Leo (Sex, Drugs, and Cocoa Puffs) [Losers]
:4sonic: + :4cloud: Vs. :4luigi: + :4darkpit:
https://youtu.be/0Q3HuVUvJQs

Camalange + DarkBlues Vs. Projo + Helpr (Sex, Drugs, and Cocoa Puffs) [Losers]
:4sonic: + :4cloud: Vs. :4tlink: + :4diddy:
https://youtu.be/_korVV-CSK4

XenoOne Doubles

Camalange + Waldo Vs. 20XY + FonG33 [Winners]
:4sonic: + :4myfriends: Vs. :4feroy: / :4greninja: + :4corrin:
https://youtu.be/SzktSxEK9cc

Camalange + Waldo Vs. Penta + Projo [Winners]
:4sonic: + :4myfriends: Vs. :4corrinf: + :4tlink:
https://youtu.be/w-Wzp7nL7eA

Camalange + Waldo Vs. John Numbers + Dill [Winners]
:4sonic: + :4myfriends: Vs. :4wiifit: + :4sheik:
https://youtu.be/vfM0u0hIW68

Camalange + Waldo Vs. Penta + Projo [Losers Quarters]
:4sonic: + :4myfriends: Vs. :4gaw: + :4tlink:
https://youtu.be/DboS4rEk2Xk

Camalange + Waldo Vs. JTails + Sinji [Losers Semis]
:4sonic: + :4myfriends: Vs. :4diddy: + :4pacman:
https://youtu.be/YVrQIelMJYU

Camalange + Waldo Vs. dekillsage + Deven3000 [Losers Finals]
:4sonic: + :4myfriends: Vs. :4fox: + :4kirby:
https://youtu.be/cfyyKzp-6gg

Camalange + Waldo Vs. John Numbers + Dill [Grand Finals]
:4sonic: + :4myfriends: Vs. :4wiifit: + :4sheik:
https://youtu.be/HJO4dN0tMqM

XenoOne Singles

Vs. dekillsage
:4sheik:
https://youtu.be/DqNBK3wh5es

Winter Brawl X Singles

Vs. Otacon [Top 16 Winners]
:4peach:
https://youtu.be/N8ddZa-EsZc

Vs. ANTi [Winners Semis]
:4zss: / :4sheik:
https://youtu.be/YXVe-3aWs4E

Vs. Sandman (The OG Kirbs) [Top 8]
:4kirby:
https://youtu.be/x0AU0MkT0bg

Vs. C3PO [Loser Semis]
:4diddy:
https://youtu.be/DpSkGHw8MKs

:093:
 

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Thanks man! Your input is much appreciated! But what do you mean when you say highest potential? Like staying in the fight a little bit longer before I get out? Also, what would you say are some good mix ups for Sonic's approach? The reason my approaches get predictable is because I feel like my main two approaches help me the most with damage racking.

Camalange Camalange I didn't mean to double post this time. Something happened with my Wifi and it made it look like the first attempt did not go through.

I have a few more matches up. I played some sets with PACkageFruits, a PacMan who's power ranked 3rd in my region:

Match 1: https://youtu.be/LvgouIfoq7w?list=PLS6ssrMgIEh2LQQZkZKhT1bBkkxAcYn1p
Match 2: https://youtu.be/MUGctCrOFSQ?list=PLS6ssrMgIEh2LQQZkZKhT1bBkkxAcYn1p
Match 3: https://youtu.be/cun-HX8RZdM?list=PLS6ssrMgIEh2LQQZkZKhT1bBkkxAcYn1p
Match 4: https://youtu.be/QSveFZbOvLU?list=PLS6ssrMgIEh2LQQZkZKhT1bBkkxAcYn1p
What i meant was that you sometimes failed to use some of sonic strongsuits at times. Like movement, you turn around instead of dashing backwards from a screetching hault. I dunno how to describe it, but that thing when you stop running and sonic is in the stopping animation, when you press the opposite direction to run, you just bolt into that direction instead of turning around. That can be used in a "dash dance" like fashion if you can get the timing spot on. It certainly increases your movement capabilities. You can do crazy things with sonic's near broken movement potential. A spin cancel sliding grab, b reverse spin cancel.

Im liking your new videos vs pacman. I like how you were using the items against him. That was fun to watch. You however got killed by attacks that could have been avoided through patience. It seems that when your opponent suddenly got aggressive, you were trying to keep up with him instead of conditioning him to make poor decisions. Again also you weren't intimidating him with spin cancels as much as you could have. You would just run in. Spin cancels really throw people off and can be somewhat terrifying if used right, like when you both are far apart. You sometimes also leave yourself vulnerable by not auto cancelling aerials, even though you weren't punished for it its still a good thing that you do always autocancel.

Overall ggs on this round.
 
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What i meant was that you sometimes failed to use some of sonic strongsuits at times. Like movement, you turn around instead of dashing backwards from a screetching hault. I dunno how to describe it, but that thing when you stop running and sonic is in the stopping animation, when you press the opposite direction to run, you just bolt into that direction instead of turning around. That can be used in a "dash dance" like fashion if you can get the timing spot on. It certainly increases your movement capabilities. You can do crazy things with sonic's near broken movement potential. A spin cancel sliding grab, b reverse spin cancel.

Im liking your new videos vs pacman. I like how you were using the items against him. That was fun to watch. You however got killed by attacks that could have been avoided through patience. It seems that when your opponent suddenly got aggressive, you were trying to keep up with him instead of conditioning him to make poor decisions. Again also you weren't intimidating him with spin cancels as much as you could have. You would just run in. Spin cancels really throw people off and can be somewhat terrifying if used right, like when you both are far apart. You sometimes also leave yourself vulnerable by not auto cancelling aerials, even though you weren't punished for it its still a good thing that you do always autocancel.

Overall ggs on this round.
Cool dude! I've been trying my hardest to use Sonic's broken dash dance. I find it hard to do the left side input (<--- <--- --->) but I guess that can be fixed in the lab. I've also been using Spin Cancels a little bit more lately. I don't know, sometimes I feel like I get punished for using them. Maybe I'm using them at a distance where it's a little unsafe or I'm staying in shield too long after I cancel it. I'll save some replays and review them or even post them here.

But other than that thanks so much for the input!!! XD
 

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I played a couple of friendly sets with my crew mate. These are the ones I lost. I felt like I played good. I tried my best to use the DDP and other things I've been practicing. I lost for a reason though and I need to fix that reason!

CCC | Rudy (Sonic) vs CCC | Tarzan (Donkey Kong)

Match 1:https://youtu.be/O5cKqLZDtaw
Match 2:https://youtu.be/FImQHW2x8ns
Match 3:https://youtu.be/BNic8jT1r1c

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Were those online or offline?

And you can add sprites here



Annnnnddd



Thread is finally updated with videos of the latest 1.1.4 patch. God my formatting is such a hassle.

There's a surprisingly good number of doubles videos. Also added a bunch of vids of Sonics who don't post here.

PS: After watching 6WX vs M2K, I hate Cloud even more now.


 

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Sup Sonics. Been doing some research in the lab and I found that Spin Charge to dair is a true combo on heavy class characters, working as early as 40%! Here's footage of me getting it in a match.


The key is to hold the control stick in the direction you're going the entire way through after getting the multiple hits from the Spin Charge. That way, the opponent is propped right under you after the Spin Charge jump and you are in the perfect position to spike. Try it out for yourself in the training room!
 

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Sup Sonics. Been doing some research in the lab and I found that Spin Charge to dair is a true combo on heavy class characters, working as early as 40%! Here's footage of me getting it in a match.


The key is to hold the control stick in the direction you're going the entire way through after getting the multiple hits from the Spin Charge. That way, the opponent is propped right under you after the Spin Charge jump and you are in the perfect position to spike. Try it out for yourself in the training room!
The version you're doing isn't true.

This is, however.

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Loki0830

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:4sonic: vs :4mario:(Live) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCLDal2RFTk

:4sonic: vs :4falco: (For Glory) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tx0eBFX1CU

:4sonic: vs :4cloud2: (For Glory) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPGOBYg1s4s

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Hey all, I'm looking for some advice on how to play Sonic online effectively. 99% of my time playing Sm4sh has been on For Glory, but I recently entered the scene where I live and started playing live exclusively for the past few days. Ever since then, though, I've had a really horrible time online. I feel extremely sluggish and mess up all my mixups and approaches. I'm having trouble against opponents that I feel I shouldn't be (such as the For Glory videos I posted). I was hoping people could look at these videos and tell me if there are any glaring habits in my play or if I'm just doing something generally wrong.

I'm overall happy with my live performance. Being used to Online play, playing live feels amazing without all the input delay and lag. I feel much faster than normal and can react to my opponents more efficiently. However, ever since I've played live, I've been a wreck online. I can't secure my kills and I get hit by things I see coming from a mile away. I feel like I play worse online now than before I played live.

I want to use Online play, such as For Glory and Anthers, as a training ground for live play. But my performance online makes me hate the game and myself. I know I can play better, but I don't know how. I feel like a completely different player between the two modes.

Also, I realize the Mario and Cloud matches are a bit one sided in my favor. It's hard to find close matches or matches I lose that are under 3 minutes, especially after the replay purge of patch 1.1.5. Both of the For Glory videos are matches I did literally minutes before making this post, so they're the best I got at the moment to illustrate my general online play. Once I find some closer matches, I'll post them when I can.

Anyways, sorry for the rambling. If you can see any flaws/mistakes in my play (especially the Falco match), please let me know.
 
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RudyTutti

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Hey guys here's a couple of more matches of from a local I went to last Sunday. I placed 4th which was my highest placing in a while! My first set against WontonWarrior was alright. It ended stupidly though (you'll see how lol) and my second was very choppy.

Rudy:4sonic: v WontonWarrior:4wiremac:(Winners Round 2) https://youtu.be/TyiJjfEjvJU

Rudy:4sonic: v Quite:4fox::4greninja::4corrin:(Losers Semis)
https://youtu.be/myB_IUEF5mE

Rudy:4sonic: v WontonWarrior:4wiremac:(Losers Semis)
https://youtu.be/PefxQfRqowc
 
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