Chrono Trigger Mafia: Omni and Scamp Win! Adumbrodeus wins!

[EdreesesPieces]

@Omni I already explained why I set that flavor standard on you and not others, because the others didn't have as much of a problem as you did with talking about flavor in the first place. I know you already said that you had to talk more about flavor because of the timelines, but I still found it odd comparing to the FF6 game. I do understand why we had to talk about it more in this game, I just did want more of an explanation. And you just gave a pretty good one.

And I talked about flavor, but I didn't make decisions based on the flavor. I felt like you did in your decision of the end of time, when I made my vote. I have no problem discussing flavor as long we don't make firm decisions based on it, and that was my issue. HOWEVER, you do make a good point that I was incorrect in assuming that you made this decision only on flavor. But that was my thought process at the time. I'm satisfied with your elaboration and how a lot of it had to do with not being able to go anywhere else. While I did read this, I guess I didn't give much thought onto what the repercussions of that are. Is still don't fully agree, but at least I am finding your decisions more consistent with how you usually think so I'll ease off on that.

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[Omni]

You're still not explaining that fact

And you also seem to missed when we were told that OS said we don't get "stuck" in EOT

im not explaining a fact that is explained in the OP because you're too lazy to confirm/investigate it

also in the OP: "If there is a tie, all players will be stuck in "End of Time". You cannot vote for End of Time, but it otherwise acts as a standard time period."

altho if u JUST read my post to edrees i stated in fineprint that i did not miss the news update.

why are you skimming, chibo

 

[CT Chia]

why are you skimming, omni

 

[Omni]

...?

are you intentionally trying to be stupid/useless/unhelpful?

 

[Scamp]

I like how Chibo demands that we respond to him and not twiddle our thumbs talking about flavor....and then he wants to debate flavor. Yes, it is flavor to debate the meaning of what the mod said.

For the record, an SOF is the opposite of a FOS, and it stands for "Suspicion of Fingers." Essentially the user's fingers betrayed them and typed without their permission. This is the ultimate town-tell.


Adum, please don't post in all red like that again. It hurts my eyes.

OS, please add the deadline to all vote counts.

 

[ShadowLink84]

Maybe in EoT nothing happens while in all the other times random stuff do happen....

No.
The End of Time is extremely influential in terms of the storyline for CT.
You cannot get the canon ending without it.

 

[Scamp]

What do you mean "no"? This is not Chrono Trigger. This is Chrono Trigger mafia.

 

[Red Arremer]

While I do agree with Scamp, I think that there's literally no timezone where mafia respectively (or and?) Lavos doesn't get some sort of boon.

EoT seems to be the place where noone has special skills, or at least town doesn't - it is a punishment zone, after all, so mafia possibly having special boons to their members in EoT would make sense.

 

[ShadowLink84]

What do you mean "no"? This is not Chrono Trigger. This is Chrono Trigger mafia.

You'reright, this is Chrono Trigger Mafia.
Thanks for the support.

 

[Pierce7d]

In case I hadn't made myself clear, I don't care if we go to EoT or not, I just think going there sooner is better than going there later, based on the limitations of getting there.

 

[adumbrodeus]

I was somehow expecting to get something more useful from that, Edrees explained his actions and reasoning pretty well, so I'll maintain a neutral take on it, unless I find something that makes this convo look scummy later.

Adum, please don't post in all red like that again. It hurts my eyes.

OS, please add the deadline to all vote counts.

Ok, fair enough. Orange then?

im not explaining a fact that is explained in the OP because you're too lazy to confirm/investigate it

also in the OP: "If there is a tie, all players will be stuck in "End of Time". You cannot vote for End of Time, but it otherwise acts as a standard time period."

altho if u JUST read my post to edrees i stated in fineprint that i did not miss the news update.

why are you skimming, chibo

why are you skimming, omni

I don't like this exchange at all, it makes me think that chibo is "claiming" jester... again.

lol I knew someone would jump at it. Cause I felt like it, I guess.

Currently, I don't find anyone too suspicious. Rajam is just being a nood and as for Pierce, while his superstrong desire to go to EoT is strange, I wouldn't say it was suspicious - for now at least.

So... you were just trying to attract trouble...

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Vote: .Joel


What possible pro-town reason is there for randomly messing with us?

Maybe in EoT nothing happens while in all the other times random stuff do happen....

Don't think I forgot you.

FoS: Rajam.

Now, please kindly respond to the post that you ignored.

 

[Pierce7d]

EBWOP

The reason being that if Mafia gets a bonus there (which most of you seem to suspect) then it would behoove us to explore this region while we are still many.

I imagine a set-up where town is reduced, and Mafia manipulates a vote into EoT. Since Mafia know of each other, they obviously have the strength of being coordinated, which can allow them to end a day with boost votes, as shown to me in the last game. Presuming that many of you are correct, and Mafia benefits more than town in EoT, then this could put us at LYLO, or game loss.

Now, an INTELLIGENT alternative WOULD BE to avoid EoT altogether. I'm hesitant to agree to completely avoid an entire timezone in the game for what I presume are obvious reasons. If we need to travel through time to defeat Lavos, then we may need to go to the EoT. However, it DOES make sense to avoid it if we feel it's harmful.

Also, consider this: Perhaps it's beneficial to town to visit EoT. Later in the game, Mafia would be able to prevent this far more easily. Going now is easy, since we are many, and can easily lynch someone who decides to break a tie the next day, since that would be quite obviously an anti-town option. Later in the game, this becomes less easy.

Later in the game, having a town unanimous vote to visit any of the time-zones we could regularly vote for would not really change. I strongly agree with Omni saying that it's a very good idea to argue about time zones as minimally as possible, because a united town agreement makes it easier to pick out Mafia.

Now, since Overswarm supposedly said that being stuck in the EoT was not meant to imply that all time travel would be locked (I didn't think it was, or I assure you, I would also want to avoid EoT at all costs), who now feels like traveling to the EoT is a good idea? Out of many options, it is the most variable, and truthfully strikes my curiosity the hardest.

Also, Are we in agreement that we are going to travel to ALL of the time periods (possibly excluding EoT) at least once, as soon as possible?

 

[Red Arremer]

So... you were just trying to attract trouble...

Alright guys, I'm going to play SCUM SO OPENLY OBVIOUS! From now on I'll say "I'm scum" in every post, just to make it even more obvious.

WTF, man? Are you seriously saying I'm THAT stupid?

What possible pro-town reason is there for randomly messing with us?

I'm not "messing with you". I think that the evidence is not enough to point towards a suspect. Seriously, it's *******Day 1.

 

[Pierce7d]

@Adam

I know it might seem like I have a super strong desire to go to the EoT, but I do believe my reasoning is solid. Trust me, if we haven't hit EoT by day three, I'm going to try and avoid it like the plague.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Alright guys, I'm going to play SCUM SO OPENLY OBVIOUS! From now on I'll say "I'm scum" in every post, just to make it even more obvious.

WTF, man? Are you seriously saying I'm THAT stupid?



I'm not "messing with you". I think that the evidence is not enough to point towards a suspect. Seriously, it's f*cking Day 1.

No, but I am saying that it's certainly possible that you're attempting to distract us from scumhunting on purpose with irrelevant comments that will attract attention and promote discussion that is unhelpful towards town.

 

[Red Arremer]

No, but I am saying that it's certainly possible that you're attempting to distract us from scumhunting on purpose with irrelevant comments that will attract attention and promote discussion that is unhelpful towards town.

So basically you're saying the same thing I said to you in FF6 mafia?

... hahaha! :D

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Vote: adumbrodeus

Seriously, don't think you can switch tables just like that and think you can get away with it.

 

[Rajam]

Beyond the fact that Lavos is here, somewhere, we don't know who the members of the mafia are...

I don't like this post at all.


Vote: Rajam


I'm not sure if you're mafia or useless town, but I dislike both. If you're useless town, I suggest you learn, fast.

I'm still learning the mechanics, metagame, etc., so I guess I'll remain silent and watch and read more instead.

...What question is it that I haven't yet answered?

 

[Pierce7d]

I would greatly appreciate responses to the bolded and underlined questions I asked.

 

[Red Arremer]

Now, since Overswarm supposedly said that being stuck in the EoT was not meant to imply that all time travel would be locked (I didn't think it was, or I assure you, I would also want to avoid EoT at all costs), who now feels like traveling to the EoT is a good idea?

Also, Are we in agreement that we are going to travel to ALL of the time periods (possibly excluding EoT) at least once, as soon as possible?

I still stand by my point that we shouldn't use the time travelling as often. Mainly because we don't know what awaits us in different time zones, what boons and/or restrictions we or mafia might face, and how this affects Lavos.

We should change timezones as little as possible, so we know our "enemy" better.

 

[Shaya]

In case I hadn't made myself clear, I don't care if we go to EoT or not, I just think going there sooner is better than going there later, based on the limitations of getting there.

Why have you ignored me saying:
IT IS A BAD IDEA FOR US TO AIM FOR EOT DAY 1 (or when we haven an uneven amount of alive players)

We aren't aware of what special abilities characters gain at specific time periods. But with the town majority aiming for EOT, the last voter has all the power in picking between 2 (or more if votes tended that way) different time zones.
There could be jesters (assuming there is one) or other characters willing to take the risks of being the [likely] next day lynch if they were to gain who knows what abilities by getting their time period of choice.

 

[adumbrodeus]

@Adam

I know it might seem like I have a super strong desire to go to the EoT, but I do believe my reasoning is solid. Trust me, if we haven't hit EoT by day three, I'm going to try and avoid it like the plague.

Interesting... this suggests that you get a specific buff/debuff from it.

So basically you're saying the same thing I said to you in FF6 mafia?

... hahaha! :D

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Vote: adumbrodeus

Seriously, don't think you can switch tables just like that and think you can get away with it.

It was good advice then, and it's good advice now, which is why it surprises me that you're not following it if you're town.

I'm still learning the mechanics, metagame, etc., so I guess I'll remain silent and watch and read more instead.

...What question is it that I haven't yet answered?

I'd suggest you try reading archived mafia games in decisive games, going inactive is likely to get you lynched.


It wasn't really a question, it was more of a "pressure", your unilateral declaration of the sides didn't sit well with me, and I'd like you to either explain why you're so sure or withdraw from it.

 

[Red Arremer]

It was good advice then, and it's good advice now, which is why it surprises me that you're not following it if you're town.

Are you blind, man?

I said TWICE - in both the original explanation and the second explanation - that I am not finding anyone to be suspicious as of now.

This might change. For instance if you try to make the exact same case against me like I did in our earlier game when I was scum and you were town. Believe me, I may not be an expert at this game, but I'm not stupid either.

And I think you're silly if you think I'm scum based on the statement "I don't think that we can conclude any vote for now". It wasn't even my very last vote or set in stone. I just thought that it would express this stance the best.

More likely than not, a premature lynch will cripple town because we lose a power role. We don't know how many mafia members there are. You have that mathematical fetish, don't you? Just calculate our chances to hit scum in Day 1 - without any evidence.

 

[Red Arremer]

Also, it's 5:30 AM, I'm probably not making any sense anymore, so I'll be getting some sleep, so don't think this argument is over yet, adumbrodeus.

 

[adumbrodeus]

You're not finding anyone to be suspicious... so scumhunt.


Pick on little things, try to get information.


The worst thing you can do is make comments guaranteed to distract town on purpose, I KNOW you're smarter then that Joel, that's why it strikes me as scummy.

 

[Pierce7d]

Why have you ignored me saying:
IT IS A BAD IDEA FOR US TO AIM FOR EOT DAY 1 (or when we haven an uneven amount of alive players)

We aren't aware of what special abilities characters gain at specific time periods. But with the town majority aiming for EOT, the last voter has all the power in picking between 2 (or more if votes tended that way) different time zones.
There could be jesters (assuming there is one) or other characters willing to take the risks of being the [likely] next day lynch if they were to gain who knows what abilities by getting their time period of choice.

Shaya, both you and I are new at this, so I'll direct this next question to the veterans at the table.

Is it wise to play the game catering to the possibility of a jester? IMO, if there's someone TRYING to get lynched, then they're likely to succeed one way or another (seriously, it's DEFINITELY not going to be hard to put suspicion on yourself in a game like this, ESPECIALLY with this particular game's quirks.)

Also, BECAUSE the last voter has all the power in screwing over an EoT event, I would rather try for it now than later. If damage is to be done, now is the time.

IMO it seems impossible to safely attempt EOT late game.

Also, we haven't gone to any of the time periods, and probably will visit all of them, so it's not really a major issue now if we visit a particular time period. I would MUCH rather go there KNOWING who the person is that got us sent there, as opposed to unanimous town vote to go to a time zone, where the same boost is given, but we were caught unaware by the person's true desire to go there. Town seems to learn FAR MORE than mafia in the instance someone is brash enough to tiebreak. You basically would be raising your hand and saying, "I am not town." How is this bad?

@ Adam

To be fair, if I did get a bonus for it, I probably wouldn't be trying this hard. I'd keep it a bit more quiet. Also, I've considered the possibility that people may not know that they'll get a bonus/penalty for going to a particular timezone.

 

[Shaya]

We don't know how many mafia members there are. You have that mathematical fetish, don't you? Just calculate our chances to hit scum in Day 1 - without any evidence.

Why are you implying that adum would know how many mafia there are in this game either?

You're playing pretty similar as you did last game, and it was the reason why I had thought you were mafia from early on last game. You also threw out time-zone johns often to get out/postpone arguments.

 

[Shaya]

Town seems to learn FAR MORE than mafia in the instance someone is brash enough to tiebreak. You basically would be raising your hand and saying, "I am not town." How is this bad?.

Actually I did consider this. Aiming for an EOT at this point may be beneficial if someone were to abuse their last vote, because BAM obvious target (but what if they want to be a target?). But as there are other things to consider, like us not knowing what abilities someone could gain, on top of
Game rules stating that players can come back to life I'm not comfortable with such things possibly happening.
Also, assuming that no one would be silly enough to do such a tie break, it would allow as much mafia blending as us aiming unanimously for a specific time period.

 

[Pierce7d]

You make fair points, but I find them weak. NONE of the things you state specifically are a reason not to go to EoT over any other period. Your arguments are better suited towards voting no travel at all, which I am strongly against.

 

[Omni]

alright im thinking that we should drop this timezone flavor talk

we're arguing A LOT about something that we can't confirm. i think everyone has given their view on the time traveling issue so thats good enough

the point of the flavor talk was to get out of RVS and stir up discussion and possibly find odd behavior we've discussed it enough to do so

OUTSIDE OF FINDING PEOPLE FOR FLAVOR PREFERENCES lets start picking up on scummy behavior i.e.
- edreeses possible syntax/scumslip
- rajam's forceful lurking/quietness
- .joel just always looking scummy
- chibo being lazy/unhelpful again

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Vote: Rajam

talk more, Rajam. do you find anyone suspicious or exhibiting any kind of odd behavior outside of flavor talk

 

[CT Chia]

EBWOP

The reason being that if Mafia gets a bonus there (which most of you seem to suspect) then it would behoove us to explore this region while we are still many.

I imagine a set-up where town is reduced, and Mafia manipulates a vote into EoT. Since Mafia know of each other, they obviously have the strength of being coordinated, which can allow them to end a day with boost votes, as shown to me in the last game. Presuming that many of you are correct, and Mafia benefits more than town in EoT, then this could put us at LYLO, or game loss.

Now, an INTELLIGENT alternative WOULD BE to avoid EoT altogether. I'm hesitant to agree to completely avoid an entire timezone in the game for what I presume are obvious reasons. If we need to travel through time to defeat Lavos, then we may need to go to the EoT. However, it DOES make sense to avoid it if we feel it's harmful.

Also, consider this: Perhaps it's beneficial to town to visit EoT. Later in the game, Mafia would be able to prevent this far more easily. Going now is easy, since we are many, and can easily lynch someone who decides to break a tie the next day, since that would be quite obviously an anti-town option. Later in the game, this becomes less easy.

Later in the game, having a town unanimous vote to visit any of the time-zones we could regularly vote for would not really change. I strongly agree with Omni saying that it's a very good idea to argue about time zones as minimally as possible, because a united town agreement makes it easier to pick out Mafia.

Now, since Overswarm supposedly said that being stuck in the EoT was not meant to imply that all time travel would be locked (I didn't think it was, or I assure you, I would also want to avoid EoT at all costs), who now feels like traveling to the EoT is a good idea? Out of many options, it is the most variable, and truthfully strikes my curiosity the hardest.

Also, Are we in agreement that we are going to travel to ALL of the time periods (possibly excluding EoT) at least once, as soon as possible?

I feel that we should visit every normal time zone at least once.

I also feel that we should generally try to avoid going to the EoT. It's not the end of the world if we end up there it seems (just the end of time lol), but the fact that it's brought upon by disagreement seems meh, no reason to proactively try and go for it.

I'm still learning the mechanics, metagame, etc., so I guess I'll remain silent and watch and read more instead.

...What question is it that I haven't yet answered?

I advise you to keep as active as possible.

I'm gonna kick start us into a majority for time travel. There's no way anyone will be able to convince me or others (likely) to go to once certain place without people slipping up on potential buffs or weaknesses. Shadowlink and Rajam are the two time voters right now and I'm more inclined to stick with SL.

Travel - 2300 AD

 

[Shaya]

Errr incorrect use of Travel there Chibo...
Not exactly convinced on why you'd want to vote early or if you've just done something posting restriction related or purposely bluffing a vote... or what...

 

[Pierce7d]

TO OVERSWARM:

Is it possible to vote, "No Travel" as you can vote, "No Lynch?"

This would be more significant since you cannot unvote it.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Wow Chibo, I can't believe you just did that. How do you know SL has good intentions when he voted for 2300 AD? I can't approve of that at all. If anyone else is on board, I move we agree to get at least three of us to go somewhere that is NOT 2300 AD. I prefer to have chosen a time zone that people who weren't hasty to pick a time zone have decided on. The more hasty someone chose their time zone, the less I trust going to that time zone, because to me it smells like they know something..

SL can you elaborate more on why you picked 2300 AD in the first place?

 

[Omni]

like i said lets just follow the game plotline and go to 600 A.D.

also, really disliking Chibo's play. what a nuisance

 

[ShadowLink84]

EBWOP

The reason being that if Mafia gets a bonus there (which most of you seem to suspect) then it would behoove us to explore this region while we are still many.

So, sacrifice someone in order to find scum?

I imagine a set-up where town is reduced, and Mafia manipulates a vote into EoT. Since Mafia know of each other, they obviously have the strength of being coordinated, which can allow them to end a day with boost votes, as shown to me in the last game. Presuming that many of you are correct, and Mafia benefits more than town in EoT, then this could put us at LYLO, or game loss.

A great possibility, but the thing is, why go there at all when there are other time periods that not only are key to the heroes, but may also offer just as much information without making a needless sacrifice?

Why intentionally go to an area that most likely benefits scum, as opposed to going for the unknown which may benefit town?

Now, an INTELLIGENT alternative WOULD BE to avoid EoT altogether. I'm hesitant to agree to completely avoid an entire timezone in the game for what I presume are obvious reasons. If we need to travel through time to defeat Lavos, then we may need to go to the EoT. However, it DOES make sense to avoid it if we feel it's harmful.

No, we don't need to go to EOT to beat Lavos.
As I mentioned before, you can defeat Lavos at ANY time period EXCEPT 2300 A.D and 6.5 million (black omen isnt in 6.5 million i believe and in 2300 A.D. Lavos has already left the planet I believe).

Also, consider this: Perhaps it's beneficial to town to visit EoT. Later in the game, Mafia would be able to prevent this far more easily. Going now is easy, since we are many, and can easily lynch someone who decides to break a tie the next day, since that would be quite obviously an anti-town option. Later in the game, this becomes less easy.

What!?
Saying that breaking a tie vote to avoid an era that most likely RESTRICTS town is anti-town?
Are you seriously saying that if suddenly everyone, has this crazy idea to go to EOT while believe it may restrict town, and someone dissents in order to avoid that possible restricting era, is anti-town?

HOW!?

Frankly, I find it extremely suspicious that for someone who says "I don't care either way." you are rather intent on the usage of EoT.
Even more so in such a haphazard manner!

Isn't it anti-town to go there period?

Later in the game, having a town unanimous vote to visit any of the time-zones we could regularly vote for would not really change. I strongly agree with Omni saying that it's a very good idea to argue about time zones as minimally as possible, because a united town agreement makes it easier to pick out Mafia.

I believe the only one's that have even contemplated the idea of going to EoT were you and Edreeses.

Now, since Overswarm supposedly said that being stuck in the EoT was not meant to imply that all time travel would be locked (I didn't think it was, or I assure you, I would also want to avoid EoT at all costs), who now feels like traveling to the EoT is a good idea? Out of many options, it is the most variable, and truthfully strikes my curiosity the hardest.

Of course it wouldn't lock time travel. EoT is what allowed you to choose any era right off the bat.

The thing is that most likely,it will take that same idea of leaving someone behind or restricting several members.

Also, Are we in agreement that we are going to travel to ALL of the time periods (possibly excluding EoT) at least once, as soon as possible?

I think this would be a good idea.

 

[ShadowLink84]

Wow Chibo, I can't believe you just did that. How do you know SL has good intentions when he voted for 2300 AD? I can't approve of that at all. If anyone else is on board, I move we agree to get at least three of us to go somewhere that is NOT 2300 AD. I prefer to have chosen a time zone that people who weren't hasty to pick a time zone have decided on. The more hasty someone chose their time zone, the less I trust going to that time zone, because to me it smells like they know something..

SL can you elaborate more on why you picked 2300 AD in the first place?

2300 A.D. is arguably the most important and beneficial place for the good guys.

 

[Pierce7d]

Wow Chibo, I can't believe you just did that. How do you know SL has good intentions when he voted for 2300 AD? I can't approve of that at all. If anyone else is on board, I move we agree to get at least three of us to go somewhere that is NOT 2300 AD. I prefer to have chosen a time zone that people who weren't hasty to pick a time zone have decided on. The more hasty someone chose their time zone, the less I trust going to that time zone, because to me it smells like they know something..

SL can you elaborate more on why you picked 2300 AD in the first place?

THIS!!!! QFT

like i said lets just follow the game plotline and go to 600 A.D.

also, really disliking Chibo's play. what a nuisance

Agreed. Though I cannot entirely say that you don't have an alternative reason for wanting to go to 600 A.D. with certainty. I'm tempted to propose that I select a new time zone, as I think that at this point in the game, I am the least likely to want to go to an alternative time zone, considering how much I've been ranting about EoT, but of course, I cannot suggest this myself. While I'm tempted to go to 600 for exactly the reason you have suggested, I must put the game of Mafia before enjoying the flavor, as instead compromise.

Omni, you will pick the time zone that we travel to, and I will match your vote, but it CANNOT be 600 A.D. since that was your original suggestion, and you brought it up more than once. I believe these are fair terms that most of town can trust. Town, you agree??

So, sacrifice someone in order to find scum?

Might I remind you that going to EoT being bad for town is still just flavor talk, and we're not even sure of this. The reason why it's better to explore early game ISN'T BECAUSE THE TIMEZONE ITSELF MIGHT BE DANGEROUS, BUT BECAUSE THE METHOD OF TRAVELING THERE IS TRICKY TO EXECUTE. PLEASE DON'T MAKE ME HAVE TO EXPLAIN THIS AGAIN.

A great possibility, but the thing is, why go there at all when there are other time periods that not only are key to the heroes, but may also offer just as much information without making a needless sacrifice?

THIS IS FLAVOR THEORY.

Why intentionally go to an area that most likely benefits scum, as opposed to going for the unknown which may benefit town?

THIS IS FLAVOR THEORY, and because THE METHOD OF TRAVELLING HERE IS DIFFICULT TO EXECUTE, AND MUCH HARDER/MORE DANGEROUS LATER IN THE GAME.

No, we don't need to go to EOT to beat Lavos.
As I mentioned before, you can defeat Lavos at ANY time period EXCEPT 2300 A.D and 6.5 million (black omen isnt in 6.5 million i believe and in 2300 A.D. Lavos has already left the planet I believe).

THIS IS FLAVOR THEORY

What!?
Saying that breaking a tie vote to avoid an era that most likely RESTRICTS town is anti-town?
Are you seriously saying that if suddenly everyone, has this crazy idea to go to EOT while believe it may restrict town, and someone dissents in order to avoid that possible restricting era, is anti-town?

HOW!?

(omfg, I'm going to pull my hair out, and I honestly think I'm getting trolled in a game of Mafia)

If Town decides to travel to EoT, and then we deliberately cast our votes to tie, he who breaks this plan is not town. Someone else besides Shadowlink call me out if this honestly doesn't make sense to you. Actually, if this DOES make sense you, please say it does, so I KNOW I'm not going crazy.

Frankly, I find it extremely suspicious that for someone who says "I don't care either way." you are rather intent on the usage of EoT.
Even more so in such a haphazard manner!

As I've said before, I PREFER to go there SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, IF we choose to go there at all. Furthermore, I AM AGAINST THE IDEA OF LEAVING A TIME ZONE COMPLETELY UNEXPLORED.

Isn't it anti-town to go there period?

WE DON'T KNOW THIS! WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S THERE. IT COULD BE AUTO-GAME LOSS, OR TOWN COULD GAIN POWERFUL MAGICS, I DON'T KNOW ANYMORE THAN YOU DO. WE CAN EITHER CHOOSE TO AVOID IT, OR GO THERE. IF WE ARE GOING TO GO THERE, THEN NOW, AT OUR PEAK STRENGTH, IS BETTER THAN LATER, SINCE VOTING TO GO THERE REQUIRES A DIFFERENT TYPE OF VOTE, THAT CAN BE EASILY DISRUPTED. AND PEOPLE SEEM CAUGHT UP ON FLAVOR THAT EOT IS BAD.

I believe the only one's that have even contemplated the idea of going to EoT were you and Edreeses.

Well, had I not said anything, I do not think I would have realized that there were multiple players who wish to NEVER go to end of time, and Omni would still be under the impression that EoT locked up time-travel.

Of course it wouldn't lock time travel. EoT is what allowed you to choose any era right off the bat.

I never thought it did, elsewise I wouldn't have wanted to explore the region, and OBVIOUSLY not have wanted to explore it first. Had this been the case, even suggesting it would have been putting a neon sign over my head flashing, "Scum, scum, scum."

The thing is that most likely,it will take that same idea of leaving someone behind or restricting several members.

THIS IS FLAVOR THEORY. Also, if this is true, it could also still be GOOD for town. The ability to limit someone's play if they are suspected to be mafia is fairly good. However, I didn't suggest this even though the thought occurred to me previously because THIS IS FLAVOR THEORY.

I think this would be a good idea.

I think you'd have to be SCUM to think this was a bad idea, lol

2300 A.D. is arguably the most important and beneficial place for the good guys.

I wouldn't have to elaborate to say that this is a failure at elaboration. If you would?

 

[Red Arremer]

You're not finding anyone to be suspicious... so scumhunt.


Pick on little things, try to get information.


The worst thing you can do is make comments guaranteed to distract town on purpose, I KNOW you're smarter then that Joel, that's why it strikes me as scummy.

Well, that happened now, Mr. scummyscummyscumscum.

Why are you implying that adum would know how many mafia there are in this game either?

Cause he IS mafia.

You're playing pretty similar as you did last game, and it was the reason why I had thought you were mafia from early on last game.

lol wow. I'm playing similar? I thought I was playing way more offensively and out of the frame than in the last game where I actually was trying to blend in purposely.

You also threw out time-zone johns often to get out/postpone arguments.

You're in Australia, so you're in a different timezone as well.
Sorry, but I can only last as long until I start passing out over my desk, and I presume it would result in the same "postponing", just that I leave without "johns" that it was friggin' late in my area.
I always was returning to the discussion as soon as I got sleep, which is, in this case, right now. I have no idea how you can think that "oh it's 5 AM, look, I'm going to sleep now cause I don't make any sense anymore anyway, we'll discuss this more later, k?" is a john.

- .joel just always looking scummy

If you think being active and saying "Hey guys, I don't think that it's helpful if we lynch prematurely based around stupid crap, so I'll just vote no lynch until something else comes up" is scummy, then I have no idea what is WRONG WITH YOU.

 

[Shaya]

"Mr. scummyscummyscumscum."

Really?
....



And Pierce I think you [and everyone else] needs to cool down on this extra feature of the game. At the rate we're going we're probably going to actually lose sight that this is a mafia game (you know, based on lynches) and be completely enthralled by this extra feature of who gets/loses the most points by convincing others to go to their preferred time period.

 

[Red Arremer]

I first wanted to use Mr. scumscummy mcscumminess, but then I decided against it.