Chrono Trigger Mafia: Omni and Scamp Win! Adumbrodeus wins!

[Omni]

1.) OMGUS vote right off the back? lol, seem to have hit a nerve. i'll pick your brains apart tomorrow. you clearly don't realize the consequences of going to the End of Time. did you not read the OP in its entirety

2.) majority vote goes off May 26th. there's nothing to be careful about until the deadline comes.

 

[Omni]

and

"In prehistory, Crono, Ayla, and the others battle the Reptites and witness the origin of Lavos. They learn that Lavos was an alien being that arrived on the planet millions of years in the past, and began to absorb DNA and energy from every living creature before arising and razing the planet's surface in 1999 A.D. so that it could spawn a new generation."

 

[Omni]

@Omni
Edreeses post refers to the granting of magical powers given at the End of Time, and I believe even specifically states the three characters mentioned as those who obtain magic. Why do you feel his post alluded to more than that?
Also, his Chilean accent made me miss it the first time around.

Flavor to me would suggest character buffs to Crono, Marle, Frog, etc. by unlocking their "magic" however

etc.

cmon, pierce, you're more observant than this. step your game []_[] []D

 

[Pierce7d]

After reading Edreeses post, I changed my mind. I was backing off the end of time because I didn't want to be accused of being Mafia for pushing it too hard, but now I'm curious.

We all decided that it would be beneficial to go somewhere, but NO ONE wants to go to the end of time except me?

I gave very solid reasons on why I wanted to visit EoT first. ALL REASONS for wanting to visit any time zone are flavor based, but I gave Shaya a non-flavor based reason why visiting EoT now is better than later. Besides Omni's "story progression logic" (which obviously has a fair possibility of being a cover) this is the ONLY reason that isn't flavor based to go anywhere.

Now, aside from me I notice two factions. A large group says that we shouldn't go to EoT because it might be a punishment zone. They feel that Overswarm's use of the word "stuck" in relation to being in the EoT, suggests that it's rather unpleasant. Another group is open to go anywhere, or has yet to comment.

Let's address that first group. Since you feel like the EoT is a punishment zone, and you don't want to check it out early game, where it is surely safer as we have strength in numbers, then I presume you have no intention of going to the EoT in the entire game?

I expect an answer to that from everyone.

 

[Pierce7d]

@Omni

Since Edreeses has already replied in regards to his semantics, I will openly state that I merely provided that 'out' to see how he would react to it. If he slipped up, and was looking for a quick exit, I would have been very suspicious had he taken my open door. To be fair, I'm still suspicious, but this is the point of the game where I'm suspicious of many things.

 

[ShadowLink84]

the primary reason I think the End of Time is possibly a punishment zone, is because of how the End of Time functioned.
it was the place in which your characters remained while three others ran about through time.
Meaning that more than likely, it might restrict various individuals.

Now, for those who are all "maybe its best to stay."
There is NO era in which you CANNOT fight Lavos outside of 2300 A.D.

Black Omen remember?
Appearing all the way up to 2300 A.D (where it becomes pointless because of the fact Lavos ALREADY destroyed the planet, and Queen Zeal states this.)

Even more, you can fight Lavos in 1000 A.D right off the bat with Chrono and Marle.

So keep in mind that the whole idea of saying "staying in a time period is a safe idea" actually may hurt us more, since no matter what era you were in, the threat of Lavos was ALWAYS present (outside 2300 A.D where he left his weak *** spawn).

Let alone EOT is the WORST possible place in so many ways.

Voteierce7D

Why should we go to EOT which is directly connected to Lavos, and is also the only era that has no benefits for town?
The only one's that benefit would be independent, so why are you so very intent on going there?

 

[Pierce7d]

I love it how you posted a whole bunch of flavor, then threw an easy vote on me, without answering my question, and asking me a question which my entire post was based around.

We do NOT know the benefits of going to EoT, and it's a whole new type of flavor to even suggest that independents would be the only people who would benefit. We don't know that EoT is any different than any other era. We DO know that it's tricky to GET their, because we have to tie votes. We do know that ATTEMPTING to get there in late game is FAR RISKIER than doing it now. I have explained this VERY, VERY clearly, and NO ONE has yet to refute the actual logic in this. The only "counter arguments" I have received are based on FLAVOR, which you are using a lot of, and is normally considered very scummy. Not only are you using flavor, but you're BLINDLY GUESSING FLAVOR AND STATING IT AS FACT.

Why should we go to EOT which is directly connected to Lavos, and is also the only era that has no benefits for town?
The only one's that benefit would be independent, so why are you so very intent on going there?

Seriously, wtf is up with that? Do you have access to some information I do not? Also you STILL haven't answered the question I asked before:

Let's address that first group. Since you feel like the EoT is a punishment zone, and you don't want to check it out early game, where it is surely safer as we have strength in numbers, then I presume you have no intention of going to the EoT in the entire game?

I expect an answer to that from everyone.

I won't even diminish my post with an OMGUS vote, but you better start speaking up SL!

 

[Pierce7d]

Also, while it is obvious that EoT is my preference of destination on the 2nd day, since that would be the SAFEST time to explore it, I am content on aiming to avoid it the whole game, if that's what the town agrees on.

 

[Scamp]

My opinions on the EoT should be clear.


Two notes. One: Some people seem to think that we're going to see the effects in the form of buffs/debuffs and whatnot when we travel. This may be true, but it's not something you can argue. We don't know what the effects will be, and if there are any we don't know if they're going to be visible.

Two: Hey Edrees, I don't think we need to worry about a premature end to the day. If anyone decides to end the day randomly we will probably kill them and they're probably mafia for doing that.

 

[Omni]

holding off on picking Edreeses apart since it'll be rather lengthy (and im up studying for a final)

Pierce, this is how you sound to me:

- you want to go to potentially the most dangerous zone
- just because we have a lot of townies alive at the moment
- even tho we'll be STUCK there once we enter
- and the chances that it benefits us at all is extremely slim
- did i already say we'll be STUCK there. no more time travel after that point
- and assuming that it's SAFE to explore a dangerous zone with a bunch of people
- as opposed to it being SAFE to explore multiple zones with still a bunch of people
- ignoring the possibilities that other zones may offer more for town than EoT will ever do

to make this clear i have no intention of going to EoT. the fact that we can only go to EoT through a tie vote (and be stuck there) implies to me that this will be mafia/indy may gain an advantage to tying up the votes.

anyway, as long as i (or anyone else) keep their vote of changing the destination for last then they can control the outcome of a tie happening (but more importantly not happening). it doesn't say anything about having to vote so if withholding a vote or placing a vote alters the tie from happening then it's all good

 

[Pierce7d]

Okay, so both Scamp and Omni are in favor of NEVER visiting EoT. I don't mind this option at all (unless I start to get the whiff that one of you two is Mafia, but atm, I'm not particularly feeling that way)

Shadowlink just posted garbage to me in response.

I'd like to say that I don't think going to EoT would actually result in ending the Time Travel function of the game, but I do acknowledge the possibility. Rereading the OP, I can agree that OS made EoT seem like an unpleasurable destination, but he also said it functions as a regular timezone, so . . . I'm not sure how to take that.

I personally think that we'll be forced to leave one player behind in EoT when we go there, similar to how you left party members behind in Chrono Trigger. However, we're not going there, so we won't find out.

It seriously doesn't look like we're going to EoT today, so once again we bring it back to trying to decide where we are going. For a solid starting point, I would go with Omni's suggestion of 600 A.D. to follow storyline progression.

 

[Pierce7d]

After reading Edreeses post, I changed my mind. I was backing off the end of time because I didn't want to be accused of being Mafia for pushing it too hard, but now I'm curious.

We all decided that it would be beneficial to go somewhere, but NO ONE wants to go to the end of time except me?

I gave very solid reasons on why I wanted to visit EoT first. ALL REASONS for wanting to visit any time zone are flavor based, but I gave Shaya a non-flavor based reason why visiting EoT now is better than later. Besides Omni's "story progression logic" (which obviously has a fair possibility of being a cover) this is the ONLY reason that isn't flavor based to go anywhere.

Now, aside from me I notice two factions. A large group says that we shouldn't go to EoT because it might be a punishment zone. They feel that Overswarm's use of the word "stuck" in relation to being in the EoT, suggests that it's rather unpleasant. Another group is open to go anywhere, or has yet to comment.

Let's address that first group. Since you feel like the EoT is a punishment zone, and you don't want to check it out early game, where it is surely safer as we have strength in numbers, then I presume you have no intention of going to the EoT in the entire game?

I expect an answer to that from everyone.

Even though some of us have agreed to avoid EoT, I STILL want answers to this

 

[DMG]

Here's how I feel about it:

- Let's say that we go to EoT on purpose. It turns out to be bad for town. So we switch to another time period, that also happens to be bad for town. Now instead of that happening, we could "flag" EoT like it's a mine in our game of minesweeper, and look elsewhere. Basically, if we really believe that EoT is gonna be bad for town, why go there on purpose instead of trying to get a better location?

If we knew a safe or better time period for town along with knowing or strongly believing that EoT will be bad, then you could go there on purpose and fall back on the better period (taking note of anyone who votes otherwise). But that isn't the case. This period isn't guaranteed to be good for town even if we are starting off here, where as there's reasonable belief even from yourself that EoT is bad. That and even if we knew this period was safer for us, we would be basically wasting a turn going to EoT, bad things Probably happening, then come back to square 1 with some people gone.

At this point in time, people are split on where to go. We didn't start out with a unified effort to go to EoT, and figuring out who voted for other time periods for their benefits is much harder at this point. The prospects would have been better if people did not vote so early on where to go, and were split on it.

 

[Red Arremer]

I don't think Edreeses is necessarily trying to bait us into the End of Time, more dismissing flavor that it's bad for us. However, that doesn't dismiss the slop that Omni caught, HEAVILY suggesting that Edreeses is not Crono, Marle, or Frog

Don't you guys forget Lucca, she recieved her fire magic at the EoT, too.

Most of you seem against going to the EoT, so I'm backing off of the suggestion, even though I strongly suspect that it's a solid course of action.
Also, I doubt either exclusively town or mafia will get buffs or penalties for any specific travel.

I think that it's a stupid idea because, look. We have 1000 AD currently, and Overswarm didn't give us any information about this time period. So the chances are that we will not be told what EoT does.
It seems to me that pretty every time zone gives boons and/or restrictions to characters, but otherwise does not really inflict anything upon the cast. I also doubt that Edrees' suggestion of it being somehow related to "gaining magic" is true. So, in conclusion, I am with the majority that going to EoT is not specifically suggestible. We will end up there sooner or later anyhow, and given the knowledge we received from OS for the time period we currently are in (absolutely nothing), chances are, we won't get any more information.

65 million BC : Bad for Lavos (Mafia?) because he hasn't even landed on the planet yet.
3000 AD: BAD for town since lavos has already destroyed the planet essentially.
1000 D, 600 AD, and 12,000 BC : Could go either way.

I doubt that this is the case. It seems more likely that the characters have powers related to their origin.

In conclusion, I do not understand why some of you are so keen on going to EoT. IF there are changes to characters, we don't know if they will happen! And that's why I think that the statement "but we'll at least know what awaits us at the EoT!" is wrong.

I also think that Pierce's almost militant trying to go to EoT is not very helpful at all. As said, we won't know who will get boons unless these people use their abilities pretty much in the open. We won't know what EoT does exactly. And we'll eventually end up there anyway.

Therefore:
Vote: Pierce7d

I also am open about pretty much any time, but I think that staying in our current time and changing as little as possible is the most beneficial, simply because there won't be stuff changing. We can find out what awaits us and work with it way better than if we just flipped around.

 

[Overswarm]

Lynch Votecount:
Rajam (1): Pierce7d
Pierce7d (3): Rajam, ShadowLink84, .joel
Edrees (1): Omni

Time Votecount:
Middle Ages - 600 A.D. (1): Rajam
Future - 2300 A.D. (1): ShadowLink84

Let me know if I've missed anything. I'm enjoying this game.

 

[CT Chia]

because of your inactions last game. it was a toss up between you and adumbrodeus to have my placeholder vote and u won.

ill remove it when it seems fit

That's quite an awfully early attempt to metagame me.

Already the mention of "day" meaning both the days in the game and days in real life had me confused.

Also FOS: Chibo

Why? The game starts, and he only starts posting after Omni votes for him.

Clearly this is a sign of coasting and only defending himself, while contributing nothing otherwise. We must rid the game of this scourge.

First post in the game was him voting me. Did that mean I wasn't allowed to post the entire game? Get outta here with this garbage.

Everyone answer this: What is everyone's opinion on time traveling? That is, how should we vote for future destinations? I would ask that everyone release their opinion and refrain from commenting on others' opinions on the matter until everyone has released their thoughts. Curious to see everyone original, specific thoughts without comments until everyone has answered. [/COLOR]

Everyone voting whimsically can end up in ties and potentially out people. Let's just all visit a different time period each time. I haven't played CT is a very long time, and I forget a lot of the plot concerning Lavos but reading the flavor (which I shouldn't do lol) seems to suggest he travels in different times. Meaning we can possibly only get him if we're in the same time or he's boosted in some way if we're in his time so we have to be careful about that.

We have to think of how the time is used. Is it going to help people or hurt people? Is it going to be more in town favor or mafia favor? Once we can all come to agreement on that we can devise a good system.

Personally I think we should just stay in this time zone unless there's a good reason to change it. The time zones probably affect certain characters, so there will probably be good and bad things about each time zone for specific people. I suspect changing time zones will help independents and mafia/Lavos more than it'll help the town so I think staying put is best.


Are you trying to ruin RVS? Well screw you. And why do you have nothing to say to two people who have placed votes but you jump all over me for a FOS?


But since you put out the challenge, I'm gonna say "in your face" and backpedal everything I've done so far.

I typoed when I FOS-ed Chibo. I meant to say SOF, which means he's totally clear in my opinion.

Also, when I said I would play, I didn't mean it.

I totally hate all the new players in the game.

Marc can totally live past day 1.

I really disagree with your thoughts about time, look at Omni's post about who lives when. Mad heroes live all over time.

Wtf does SOF even mean? You also never corrected yourself. You also gave what seemed to be a scumtell reason when you FOS'd me.

Omni I'll be blatant with my reasoning. Last game, though I wasn't able to play as much, I learned more about what to look for. Now, on Day 1, I find it's beneficial to point out potential things to investigate. I haven't mentioned everything I noticed, because I agree that too much flavor talk isn't good, and some things just aren't smart to point out to Mafia.

I do agree that we should get to the End of Time SOONER in the game rather than later. It's flavor to suggest that the bad guys get bonuses at the end of time (since that's where Lavos would presumably be located) but I thought I'd bring up the idea. Regardless of this, it's the most "neutral" of options, since it's the "default" if you will. That being said, I wanna know what's in store there BEFORE it's forced upon us, and as soon as possible, while town is still powerful.

Read the OP, the End of Time is a standard voting time that we are sent to when we can't come to agreement on another time.

Omni said:
Present: 1000 A.D. - Present. Crono, Lucca, and Marle live here.

To town members: Vote for this time! I mean, there are three good guys here, it's most likely a good ability for them will activate....

@ShadowLink84: I didn't play the other Mafia game

I know your new and all, but I really don't want to deal with posts like this throughout the game...

Vote: Rajam

1.) OMGUS vote right off the back? lol, seem to have hit a nerve. i'll pick your brains apart tomorrow. you clearly don't realize the consequences of going to the End of Time. did you not read the OP in its entirety

Whats wrong with "but it otherwise acts as a standard time period."

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Overall... people are talking WAAAAY too much about flavor. idc if it's green text or not, it just content ***** the last 5 pages.

 

[adumbrodeus]

@ Everyone, I talked to OS, we ARE allowed to leave the End of Time after we travel there, we're only stuck there until we vote to leave.



I dislike all this flavor talk, makes it hard for me to get a legit suspect, but... since it's necessary atm....



Flavor talk in red for me.


It might be a punishment zone, or it might not, Lavos has no influence there in the story, so the only thing I can think is that it buffs the protagonists, but again, we know nothing about what it actually does in this game.


We have time before the first day ends, so let's think about it this way, let's keep track of who was supportive (or immediately squelched) each time period, and see who acts scummy among them to figure out whether it's a good idea (like any other time).


I also suggest, since time votes are only once per day, we can devise a soft way to deal with them, so we can be nearly unanimous in our choices, I propose...


PoC: [Period here] (period of choice), for example:

PoC: Middle Ages


Is that acceptable to everyone?



I have no particular preference for time period at the moment.

To town members: Vote for this time! I mean, there are three good guys here, it's most likely a good ability for them will activate....

@ShadowLink84: I didn't play the other Mafia game

Beyond the fact that Lavos is here, somewhere, we don't know who the members of the mafia are...

I don't like this post at all.


Vote: Rajam


I'm not sure if you're mafia or useless town, but I dislike both. If you're useless town, I suggest you learn, fast.

 

[Omni]

is scamp's sarcasm that hard to pick up on

 

[ShadowLink84]

I love it how you posted a whole bunch of flavor, then threw an easy vote on me, without answering my question, and asking me a question which my entire post was based around.

I love how you bemoan this when I answered your question.
It seems to me you simply didn't understand in the firstplace, or the other times whenI explained why we should take advantage of time traveling.

We do NOT know the benefits of going to EoT, and it's a whole new type of flavor to even suggest that independents would be the only people who would benefit. We don't know that EoT is any different than any other era. We DO know that it's tricky to GET their, because we have to tie votes. We do know that ATTEMPTING to get there in late game is FAR RISKIER than doing it now. I have explained this VERY, VERY clearly, and NO ONE has yet to refute the actual logic in this. The only "counter arguments" I have received are based on FLAVOR, which you are using a lot of, and is normally considered very scummy. Not only are you using flavor, but you're BLINDLY GUESSING FLAVOR AND STATING IT AS FACT.

Blindly guessing?
-.-
In the last mafia game, each characters abilities in the game ran along to their abilities within FF.


Why in the heck wouldn't the time periods do the same?
Let aone that if EOT requires us to get there by having time votes being equal in number, wouldn't that be counter productive since it would be a sign of dissent among townie?

If the place requires everyone to disagree, and is known to be a risk, a greater risk in late game, Why are you so intent on going there?

Your reason for going to EOT is silly, and to say im blindly guessing in a game whose theme is based on CT is foolish.

Oh and btw, I made an error, EOT connects to Lavos TWICE not once.

Seriously, wtf is up with that? Do you have access to some information I do not? Also you STILL haven't answered the question I asked before:

Yeah, I actually played the game!


EOT LIMITS the amount of party member's you have, so most likely it has a limiting feature to it. I requires dissent from town after all (opposing votes).

If EOT requires dissent, and more than likely has that limiting ability, so why go there as opposed to any other place?

I won't even diminish my post with an OMGUS vote, but you better start speaking up SL!

I already gave my reasons.
-_-

I stand by my vote for the future.

Bw, this game made me pick up CT again.
Too much fun.

 

[ShadowLink84]

@Omni: Yes. I missed it completely when he first spoke.

 

[Red Arremer]

Unvote
Vote: No Lynch

 

[adumbrodeus]

Unvote
Vote: No Lynch

Wha-what?


Why would you do that?

Town needs a lynch every day to maximize chances of getting mafia...

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Omni, the only reason I voted you back was because I want you to explain why you suddenly are so relient on flavor, when you were so opposed to the idea last game. I just want an answer to that. Also, I did read the OP..I'm still not sure why you are convinced End of Time is 100% for sure a bad place. I agree with you guys when you say it's MORE likely a bad thing, and for that reason, I'm weary of going there. That doesn't mean I think we should entirely eliminate all possibility of ever going there. I just don't like absolutes like that - until we get more information, I simply wish to keep an open mind. However, since more than likely it isn't a good place to go, you guys are right in that, going by our chances, it would be good to just avoid it for the time being.

I look forward to your answer and your "picking my brain apart."

My thought process is that, since we have nothing but flavor to decide on which time period to go by, we throw out all possible flavor reasons of why each time period would be good and bad. Then as a group we decide where to go. Excuse me for trying to be a little creative with my flavor to try to make sure we thought of all possibilities.

If you want to think it's bad behavior to explore all possible options and decide logically where to go from there, and you think you were right in immediately drawing a conclusion about specific time periods (like the end of time) I am legitimately concerned about anyone here who has already decided where to or where not to go before we've had the chance to think about all possible angles - it smells suspicious to me to want to jump to conclusions so quick. And that's the reason for my vote. Other players had more relience on flavor in the last game or are new (Rajam made his choice like instantly) so I'm not surprised of them for doing it, but with Omni, I was extremely shocked to see him make such a bold decision so early and so relient on flavor.

I haven't still made any decisions on where to go, I wanted to see where everyone stood, and what everyone thought about all possible outcomes.

 

[Red Arremer]

Wha-what?


Why would you do that?

Town needs a lynch every day to maximize chances of getting mafia...

lol I knew someone would jump at it. Cause I felt like it, I guess.

Currently, I don't find anyone too suspicious. Rajam is just being a nood and as for Pierce, while his superstrong desire to go to EoT is strange, I wouldn't say it was suspicious - for now at least.

 

[Red Arremer]

EBWODP:
*noob

 

[EdreesesPieces]

My opinions on the EoT should be clear.

Two: Hey Edrees, I don't think we need to worry about a premature end to the day. If anyone decides to end the day randomly we will probably kill them and they're probably mafia for doing that.

Ah good point. I just got burned for it in the last game, but there's a huge difference between doing that now, when we outnumber scum bigtime, and late in the game when it's close to lylo which is when I got burned for it last game. Understood!

 

[CT Chia]

Anyone gonna respond to anything I have brought up or twidle their thumbs and talk about flavor?

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Okay here you go.

We have to think of how the time is used. Is it going to help people or hurt people? Is it going to be more in town favor or mafia favor? Once we can all come to agreement on that we can devise a good system.

Yeah but it seems like it's extremely difficult to come to an agreement. Seems like the majority want to avoid staying in this time and or going to the EoT. So how about we focus discussion on which of the other remaining time periods to travel to? How about it people? 65bilBC, 12,000 BC, 600AD and the future. Which should we do then, now that we've mostly eliminated some options? Maybe there will be a time period nobody will object to, then we can go to that one, since nobody objects most likely that would mean it is good for town since we are a majority. Just an idea.

Whats wrong with "but it otherwise acts as a standard time period."

Yeah that's what I'm wondering.

Overall... people are talking WAAAAY too much about flavor. idc if it's green text or not, it just content ***** the last 5 pages.

I think you are right, but we're starting to move away from that now, and I agree, lets keep a conscious effort to move away from it now that we have a lot of real content and behavior to analyze.

 

[Red Arremer]

I also am open about pretty much any time, but I think that staying in our current time and changing as little as possible is the most beneficial, simply because there won't be stuff changing. We can find out what awaits us and work with it way better than if we just flipped around.

Just repeating this since I think it's important to consider.

 

[CT Chia]

Stuff does change joel, we are currently at the Present. Have we experienced a night time in the Present yet? No. We don't know what's going to happen yet. Either way tonight we're going to experience stuff as in the Present time, or whatever time we end up being in.

 

[Red Arremer]

I know that Chibo.

I was talking about that I think we shouldn't switch time a lot and rather stay with one time and keep it so things don't change up too much.

 

[CT Chia]

As much as I'd rather not talk about flavor (though this isn't really flavor when it's said directly from the mod)...

"Heroes, search through time, find Lavos, and end it once and for all."

This strongly suggests that perhaps we can only kill Lavos when we are in the same time period as him or we need some kind of time event to happen before we're able to kill him.

 

[Omni]

chibo, every time period has Lavos in it

 

[CT Chia]

Show me where OS says that and in the contrary explain this:
"Heroes, search through time, find Lavos, and end it once and for all."

 

[Rajam]

Maybe in EoT nothing happens while in all the other times random stuff do happen....

 

[Omni]

Don't confuse me. I never suggested that we go to the End of Time. Just that I wouldn't be opposed to it. I'm neutral on where to go, as long as we try something early to find out what happens early as possible when it is less damaging. I was simply giving detail on why flavor could possibly also point the End of Time as a good thing for either town or mafia.

Fair. However, I think your flavor assumption of characters getting magic at the End of Time is a bit farfetch'd. Fortunately for you so has other assumptions to this point.

Also that isn't some sort of slip. It's just semantics for using your vs our, I'm not discluding myself from that group. I'm providing reasons, to you guys, why your character (who can be either town or mafia) can be buffed at the end of time, town or mafia. And mine too, it's just that I was trying to write a persuasive post so I was trying to personally address the reader, I find it more persuasive to address my posts like that, as if I'm directly talking to a reader. By "your" i mean literally 1 person, the person reading the post. Not "oh all you guys who are actually one of these characters."

I see. Then you'll understand why I interpreted the way I did.

Regarding the end of time - If you look over my post, I'm only suggesting reasons why I don't think we can conclude that the end of time is definitely something to avoid, I only draw the conclusion that it "Might" not be horrible. I never suggested we vote to go there - just that we go somewhere. I gave no preferential treatment to the end of time versus another time period. Now I'm becoming suspicious of people who are trying really hard to avoid us going there because you know something might happen. Based on flavor alone you seem to be vehemently against going there. I find that UNLIKE you considering how much you bashed flavor in the last Mafia game.

In your specific post you seemed very... frantic/excited with the usage of "!?" upon your shocking discovery that characters get their best magic. You followed this statement with a fallacy by comparing this Mafia game to FFVI suggesting "good guys" in this game could be bad just like in FFVI. The combination of both your excitement about the magic and your misconception about this game's content is what made me suspicious of you.

To repeat: FFVI Mafia was presented in the OP via flavor from Overswarm that some of the good guys may be bad guys. However, he has clearly stated in the OP, flavor, with pictures, and even in the title of the thread that Lavos is the target. I felt this was obvious so the fact that you drew a comparison to the game to increase your argument on letting EoT be a viable choice lowered your credibility from my view.

I used flavor for several reasons this game:

1.) This specific mafia game has a large touch of flavor in which the mechanics are based strongly around the game. That is to say, this is not your typical vanilla mafia game sugar coated with Chrono Trigger characters. The entire mechanics of this game is adjusted to Chrono Trigger's flavor to the point that the structure of this game makes it completely different from an average mafia game. I am (or was) vehemently against going to EoT mainly because of the fact that we'd be stuck there until someone pointed out this was an error in Overswarm's part.

2.) To jump start conversation and see where peoples' opinions lied on how to address the time traveling since it had to be discussed. I asked that everybody pitch in without commenting on others so we could get everyone's combined views without it being tainted, but that was completely ignored by several. It was also to make sure that we approach the voting of the Time Zones carefully and in a uniformed manner.

Unlike you Omni, I am OPEN to either going to the end of time or not - I'm just saying we can't make that determination because flavor can suggest either way. Some of you, on the otherhand, seem to be so extremely opposed to the idea relying on nothing but flavor. That's what I"m suspicious of.

Vote: Omni

Also Omni, lavos is not on the planet initially in 65BC (just calling it that for short) He lands halfway through the game.

If you read most of our concerns one of the biggest issues with going to EoT was not being able to go anywhere else. This isn't flavor based; this is addressed by Overswarm in the OP. Also, the fact that arriving there is based on tie tells me that we arrive there when the town is split and not uniformed. Not uniformed town = good for mafia which brought me to the conclusion that this could be beneficial for mafia to setup. You are entirely incorrect to guess that I made the conclusion based on flavor and if you read my post in its entirety you SHOULDN'T be making that conclusion.

Funny enough you OMGUS me despite the fact that several other players share the same view/basis. Do you believe myself, including the others, are lynch/scummy material on our basis of wanting to avoid something that seems pretty dangerous?

Omni, the only reason I voted you back was because I want you to explain why you suddenly are so relient on flavor, when you were so opposed to the idea last game. I just want an answer to that. Also, I did read the OP..I'm still not sure why you are convinced End of Time is 100% for sure a bad place. I agree with you guys when you say it's MORE likely a bad thing, and for that reason, I'm weary of going there. That doesn't mean I think we should entirely eliminate all possibility of ever going there. I just don't like absolutes like that - until we get more information, I simply wish to keep an open mind. However, since more than likely it isn't a good place to go, you guys are right in that, going by our chances, it would be good to just avoid it for the time being.

I look forward to your answer and your "picking my brain apart."

Explained this above.

The brain picking is wondering if your usage of that word "your" was in fact syntax or scumslip. Since both are in fact possible I won't admit nor dismiss neither. IGMEOY.

My thought process is that, since we have nothing but flavor to decide on which time period to go by, we throw out all possible flavor reasons of why each time period would be good and bad. Then as a group we decide where to go. Excuse me for trying to be a little creative with my flavor to try to make sure we thought of all possibilities.

Rewind. Weren't you bashing me earlier for addressing flavor? Why do you seem to have a problem with me addressing it when you, yourself, believe that flavor is the only thing we can rely on in regards to time traveling.?

If you want to think it's bad behavior to explore all possible options and decide logically where to go from there, and you think you were right in immediately drawing a conclusion about specific time periods (like the end of time) I am legitimately concerned about anyone here who has already decided where to or where not to go before we've had the chance to think about all possible angles - it smells suspicious to me to want to jump to conclusions so quick.

Crazy run-on.

I never said it was bad behavior to explore options so don't contrive that image of me into existence. That kind of behavior itself is scummy. And what makes you think I or anyone else haven't been exploring all possible angles? I've sat down and thought about it for a while; the conclusion is that it is impossible to verify the appropriate action due to lack of initial knowledge. So my educated guess based off flavor from OS, knowledge of the game, and the remaining options is to avoid EoT and explore everywhere else.

And that's the reason for my vote. Other players had more relience on flavor in the last game or are new (Rajam made his choice like instantly) so I'm not surprised of them for doing it, but with Omni, I was extremely shocked to see him make such a bold decision so early and so relient on flavor.

Interesting how you go from talking directly to me then address the rest of the players to justify your vote on me.


/endnotcomfortablewithyouresponse

 

[Omni]

Show me where OS says that and in the contrary explain this:
"Heroes, search through time, find Lavos, and end it once and for all."

Or you can look at the Wiki OS posted and do the research yourself and stop making false assumptions off the lack of knowledge.

 

[Omni]

i want more from you adumbrodeus.

you're extremely quiet this game. are you having a difficult time trying to scumhunt because you're the actual scum this game?

 

[adumbrodeus]

Last game I was quiet early on too, and I was town.


Nah, I'm currently deciding what to make of the conversation between you and Edrees, cause this has substance, even if it is grounded in the flavor.


Give me a minute or so to decide.

 

[CT Chia]

You're still not explaining that fact

And you also seem to missed when we were told that OS said we don't get "stuck" in EOT