Chrono Trigger Mafia: Omni and Scamp Win! Adumbrodeus wins!

[Omni]

its been a while since i played. so magus lived in 600 A.D. with Frog while Janus lived in 12,000 B.C. i forget who Ozzy is but i thought i went through all of the playables.

lame @ you voting for a specific time period after i just got finishing scolding rajam for the same thing. the point of discussing is so we can agree on a procedure and have a unanimous vote to where we'll move forward to in order to avoid tie votes (end of the time).

no comment tho about your time traveling preference in general

 

[ShadowLink84]

its been a while since i played. so magus lived in 600 A.D. with Frog while Janus lived in 12,000 B.C. i forget who Ozzy is but i thought i went through all of the playables.

no its understandable since they are the same person, but its primarily because he acts so much more differently before and after his time traveling.

In fact, I believe he was Serge(?) in Chrono Cross, or at least according to the ending in Chrono Trigger. Which is rather disheartening to see sadly. =(

lame @ you voting for a specific time period after i just got finishing scolding rajam for the same thing. the point of discussing is so we can agree on a procedure and have a unanimous vote to where we'll move forward to in order to avoid tie votes (end of the time).

Considering how the last Mafia game went, and considering the fact that it is voting based on majority rather than a set number, I do think that its even more important to get a move on things rather than be patient.

Now consider this, Lavos emerged in 2012 December 21.
He is first learned of in the future time period.

I do believe we'll gain alot of information in regards to Lavos.

no comment tho about your time traveling preference in general

Explained above.
I'll never tell a lie.

 

[Scamp]

Personally I think we should just stay in this time zone unless there's a good reason to change it. The time zones probably affect certain characters, so there will probably be good and bad things about each time zone for specific people. I suspect changing time zones will help independents and mafia/Lavos more than it'll help the town so I think staying put is best.

How is it sarcasm when you put an FOS on Chibo?
Don't try to backpedal.
What are your reasons for your suspicion of Chibo?

Are you trying to ruin RVS? Well screw you. And why do you have nothing to say to two people who have placed votes but you jump all over me for a FOS?


But since you put out the challenge, I'm gonna say "in your face" and backpedal everything I've done so far.

I typoed when I FOS-ed Chibo. I meant to say SOF, which means he's totally clear in my opinion.

Also, when I said I would play, I didn't mean it.

I totally hate all the new players in the game.

Marc can totally live past day 1.

 

[Pierce7d]

Omni I'll be blatant with my reasoning. Last game, though I wasn't able to play as much, I learned more about what to look for. Now, on Day 1, I find it's beneficial to point out potential things to investigate. I haven't mentioned everything I noticed, because I agree that too much flavor talk isn't good, and some things just aren't smart to point out to Mafia.

I do agree that we should get to the End of Time SOONER in the game rather than later. It's flavor to suggest that the bad guys get bonuses at the end of time (since that's where Lavos would presumably be located) but I thought I'd bring up the idea. Regardless of this, it's the most "neutral" of options, since it's the "default" if you will. That being said, I wanna know what's in store there BEFORE it's forced upon us, and as soon as possible, while town is still powerful.

 

[Pierce7d]

Due to the new Time Traveling Mechanic, we're going to have to talk about flavor a little bit, as many of you have already begun. I'm going to adopt Omni's strategy, and turn my flavor Green.

 

[ShadowLink84]

Personally I think we should just stay in this time zone unless there's a good reason to change it. The time zones probably affect certain characters, so there will probably be good and bad things about each time zone for specific people. I suspect changing time zones will help independents and mafia/Lavos more than it'll help the town so I think staying put is best.

Exactly the reason we should change zones.
Staying in this zone doesn't do anything for us, and as we learned from the last game, only allows scum to blend in more easily when we remain complacent.

By changing timezones, it allows us to not only garner information, (especially in an era Lavos is infamous for) and would thus aid us in our scum hunt.

Are you trying to ruin RVS? Well screw you. And why do you have nothing to say to two people who have placed votes but you jump all over me for a FOS?

Omni's reasons for voting for Chibo are obvious. I don't need to question him about it.

Rajam I plan to get to but currently I wish to question you first since I was disconcerted by your previous inactivity in the last game.

But since you put out the challenge, I'm gonna say "in your face" and backpedal everything I've done so far.

Oh no you didn't!

I typoed when I FOS-ed Chibo. I meant to say SOF, which means he's totally clear in my opinion.

Also, when I said I would play, I didn't mean it.

I totally hate all the new players in the game.

Marc can totally live past day 1.

Hey if you want to keep your reasons secret that's fine by me.
Do remember that in last game, mafia did something similar by being rather ambiguous.

 

[Scamp]

So Pierce you're saying you want to force a tie vote on the jump in order to get to the end of time ASAP just to see what'll happen when we get there?

It seems like a punishment zone to me. Wouldn't it make more sense to avoid it altogether?

 

[Red Arremer]

You're making it painfully obvious/apparent that you're really concerned about specific time zones. Anything you want to say?

Not really. The first quote you made was just a question for OS. I could've done that via PM, but I preferred it over the thread because there might've been people who weren't sure about this either. Fact is: This was not adressed in the OP and its explanations, hence I asked about it.
For the second one, character roles are almost meaningless, since they're pure flavor. Sure, characters most likely can do stuff related to their skills and/or personality in the game itself, but we have no idea how OS transferred these over and which specific characters he chose to begin with. However, knowledge about the game and the different time periods might make it easier for people to understand the concept of the time travel part as a whole.

I just have to get "comfortable" with this whole concept as I haven't ever faced something like that in a mafia game, y'know what I'm sayin'?

Everyone answer this: What is everyone's opinion on time traveling? That is, how should we vote for future destinations? I would ask that everyone release their opinion and refrain from commenting on others' opinions on the matter until everyone has released their thoughts. Curious to see everyone original, specific thoughts without comments until everyone has answered.

I'm not sure about this.
As said earlier, specific characters gain specific boons in one or more time zones. These are most likely linked to the time they originated in. Considering that there are more characters in 1000 AD, it's quite possible that there is a character linked to scum (just speaking from a mathematical viewpoint here, as this is the time the most characters are from), however, it's a good chance OS just f*cks with us and nothing of what I speculated now is true.

End of Time was actually not directly related to Lavos. It's the beginning and the end. Due to Lavos' power the actual place with Caspar in it was manifested, and it contained a portal to 1999, but otherwise, it was pretty much the only place not somehow infested with Lavos.

So, in result, I would think that EoT is the place where noone has any boon. Buuuut, I also agree with Scamp that 1000 AD doesn't seem too much of a threat, since Lavos wasn't really touching that timezone iirc.

 

[Red Arremer]

Due to the new Time Traveling Mechanic, we're going to have to talk about flavor a little bit, as many of you have already begun. I'm going to adopt Omni's strategy, and turn my flavor Green.

That's a good idea, I will adapt it in my following posts.

 

[Rajam]

FOS: Rajam. If this is your FIRST EVER mafia game, I'd like to think you'd have read the rules VERY CAREFULLY, multiple times. Of course, could be a PR.

Don't worry, I did read the rules and understood all

 

[Pierce7d]

So Pierce you're saying you want to force a tie vote on the jump in order to get to the end of time ASAP just to see what'll happen when we get there?

It seems like a punishment zone to me. Wouldn't it make more sense to avoid it altogether?

If it's a punishment zone for town, I'd rather get there NOW, then wait until Mafia has potentially gathered advantage, and can really PUNISH us with it, as well as vote more influentially.


However, we have no clue what it is at all, and it makes more sense for us to visit the "default" zone ASAP, so that town doesn't encounter any unfortunate surprises at a bad time.

Excuse me for metagaming a little here, but this post seems highly irregular compared to your previous ones and those in the previous game. Trying to actively avoid the End of Time zone and pursuing my flavor chat seems just a tad bit scummy to me, especially since I explained my reasoning in the previous post. I can defend my push to go to the End of Time by merely pointed out that it was initially Omni's suggestion, and I felt it was a very solid one for the reasons I listed. I wanna know the real reason you're trying to dodge it.

Vote: Scamp

Speak up sir.

 

[Pierce7d]

FOS: Rajam

Care to explain then why you would vote for a specific time zone so preemptively? I assume everyone in the BR is pretty smart, and we all figured out that it would be relatively suspicious, as well as using a resource improperly to vote for a new timezone before anything else had happened, since you can't change your vote.

Shadowlink, don't think your vote slipped under my suspicions radar, ESPECIALLY since it was right after Omni was getting on Rajam's case, and had no clear explanation other than a very shallow, "We should go somewhere because it's better than not." I'm interested in hearing something a little less shallow from you as well.

 

[ShadowLink84]

Shadowlink, don't think your vote slipped under my suspicions radar, ESPECIALLY since it was right after Omni was getting on Rajam's case, and had no clear explanation other than a very shallow, "We should go somewhere because it's better than not." I'm interested in hearing something a little less shallow from you as well.

The best way to gain information is to go for it actively.
That is what my post pretty much summarized, I cannot understand as to why you would even question me about it.

 

[Pierce7d]

Active information can be chased more effectively, if town works together. This was something under organization, and something you disregarded. I would say that my suspicion of you is quite justified.

 

[Rajam]

Omni said:
Present: 1000 A.D. - Present. Crono, Lucca, and Marle live here.

To town members: Vote for this time! I mean, there are three good guys here, it's most likely a good ability for them will activate....

@ShadowLink84: I didn't play the other Mafia game

 

[Rajam]

FOS: Rajam

Care to explain then why you would vote for a specific time zone so preemptively? I assume everyone in the BR is pretty smart, and we all figured out that it would be relatively suspicious, as well as using a resource improperly to vote for a new timezone before anything else had happened, since you can't change your vote.

Shadowlink, don't think your vote slipped under my suspicions radar, ESPECIALLY since it was right after Omni was getting on Rajam's case, and had no clear explanation other than a very shallow, "We should go somewhere because it's better than not." I'm interested in hearing something a little less shallow from you as well.

Unless I missed something in the rules, I guess I don't have to answer to this, so I won't
Oh and now you look suspicious to me...

unvote: Adumbrodeus
vote: Pierce7d

 

[Shaya]

This is mere flavour, but there are multiple endings in Chrono Trigger, and perhaps the order of time travel allows for noticeablly results. IIRC, you are forced to go to 600AD, than 2300AD before you get to the end of time where you can "confront" Lavos (or was End of Time after 600AD?)


Scamp, you are playing a lot more aggressively earlier on this game... Why the sudden change, considering last time you sat back and let Omni mostly lead the charge?

 

[Omni]

well i guess the point of letting everyone get their opinions on the time travelling out without commenting on them until everyone posted is out of the window. guess you guys dont realize the importance of it.

anyway

unvote

@Pierce: I disagree with your idea of trying to get to the End of Time immediately. Honestly, I don't like it. The only merit it seems to reach The End of Time is forcing "The End of Time". Gamewise, the characters explore the other times and pick up helpful companions. It seems to me that visiting any other time BESIDES the end of time will benefit town whereas visiting the end of time itself will benefit Lavos.

Anyway, I'm completely against your idea of visiting the End of Time soon. It would make more sense to not go there at all considering you even mentioned its flavor would benefit Lavos. Why kind of explanation is "better to go now" when for all we know going there could have immediately detrimental effects on town? Hell, what about the option of simply never tie voting and avoiding The End of Time all together. Since getting to the End of Time seems to be difficult (cannot vote for it) I can only imagine mafia will benefit by forcing a tie situation.

And what do you mean by default time zone? Not comfortable with you wanting to visit the end of time so readily garnering the idea that Lavos will benefit there.

FOS: Pierce

@Rajam: We are currently in the present time. No point staying here.

@Shaya: I noticed that from Scamp, too.

Hey if you want to keep your reasons secret that's fine by me.
Do remember that in last game, mafia did something similar by being rather ambiguous.

Vote: Shadowlink

Post smells kinda' funny. I'll let you guess why.

 

[ShadowLink84]

Active information can be chased more effectively, if town works together. This was something under organization, and something you disregarded. I would say that my suspicion of you is quite justified.

I disagree, primarily because of the fact that, as shown in the last mafia game, the attempt to unify town seemingly allowed Mafia to blend in seamlessly, simply because no one wanted to be aggressive.


What point is there in remaining within the same time period?

 

[ShadowLink84]

@Omni: Simply because of the fact that he obviously isn't planning to give me any of his reasons, frankly, why wouldn't he? If you noticed, in the last game, Mafia blended in because they simply stayed quiet, and remained ambiguous in their behavior.

If the individual does not want to provide their reasons in full, then that only means they have something to hide.
Do you agree on this point or no?

 

[ShadowLink84]

@Shaya: You first arrive at the end of timeAFTER you visit 2300 A.D.
Why? That is when you get Robo who is your 4th party member, and only 3 party member's can be with you at any given moment.

<~~~breathes chrono trigger

 

[Marc]

Lynch Votecount:
Scamp (1): Pierce7d
Pierce7d (1): Rajam
ShadowLink84 (1): Omni

Time Votecount:
Middle Ages - 600 A.D. (1): Rajam
Future - 2300 A.D. (1): ShadowLink84

 

[Scamp]

If it's a punishment zone for town, I'd rather get there NOW, then wait until Mafia has potentially gathered advantage, and can really PUNISH us with it, as well as vote more influentially.


However, we have no clue what it is at all, and it makes more sense for us to visit the "default" zone ASAP, so that town doesn't encounter any unfortunate surprises at a bad time.

Excuse me for metagaming a little here, but this post seems highly irregular compared to your previous ones and those in the previous game. Trying to actively avoid the End of Time zone and pursuing my flavor chat seems just a tad bit scummy to me, especially since I explained my reasoning in the previous post. I can defend my push to go to the End of Time by merely pointed out that it was initially Omni's suggestion, and I felt it was a very solid one for the reasons I listed. I wanna know the real reason you're trying to dodge it.

Vote: Scamp

Speak up sir.

You may have explained your reasoning, but I don't like it. We don't know what the end of time is, but we do know how to get there. Basically we screw up and don't agree where to go, and we end up there. That doesn't sound "default" to me, that sounds like limbo. Notice OS describes it as we're "stuck" there. Does that sound good to you?

And why the assumption that it's a one-time punishment? Say we get to the End of Time and we get punished. What's stopping the mafia from punishing us again later in the game? We will know what it is, sure, but it really sounds to me like we should be avoiding it altogether.

Finally, what's the logic in that the mafia can punish us with End of Time? The only way that can happen is if they force a tie, and the only way THAT can happen is if they equal or outnumber us. And if that happens the game is over anyway. The exception is if the town waffles and votes for a variety of time zones, enabling the mafia to force a tie. That shouldn't happen later in the game.

So does that explain it? Seems pretty clear to me. I'm not dodging anything.

This is mere flavour, but there are multiple endings in Chrono Trigger, and perhaps the order of time travel allows for noticeablly results. IIRC, you are forced to go to 600AD, than 2300AD before you get to the end of time where you can "confront" Lavos (or was End of Time after 600AD?)


Scamp, you are playing a lot more aggressively earlier on this game... Why the sudden change, considering last time you sat back and let Omni mostly lead the charge?

I like to try different styles and tactics when playing different games of mafia. Also the last game didn't go particularly well for me, so I'm not motivated to play the same way.

However, I don't think I've been so agressive yet. All I've got is a joke case on Chibo and a solid reluctance to test out the End of Time.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

My stance on time travel:

I think, just as the rules stated, it's going to unlock some character abilities and bonuses, and remove some others. I think some characters might need less or more votes to get lynched in certain time periods. This kind of stuff, I get the feeling, is affected. However, I think at this point in time, it is impossible to tell if it's more beneficial to stay in this time period, go to a specific time period, or go to the end of time

Scamp, why do you think change in time zones will help independents and Mafia more? There's nothing really to suggest this. Just curious why you think this is the case.

This is flavor, but perhaps the first place we should go to is 65 million BC because Lavos didn't even land on the planet yet?

This is all, going by flavor only. I AM NOT SUGGESTING I REALLY DO THINK THIS IS HOW IT GOES. But, going by flavor, this is what I think would happen logically:

65 million BC : Bad for Lavos (Mafia?) because he hasn't even landed on the planet yet.
3000 AD: BAD for town since lavos has already destroyed the planet essentially.
1000 D, 600 AD, and 12,000 BC : Could go either way.

I doubt that OS structured the time zones accurately with how things go in the game though. Honestly, I think our best bet is to change the time period sooner rather than later, see what it does, and make more educated decisions on whether to do such a thing again after we see what kind of effects it can actually have.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

I'll start coloring my flavor next time.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

By the way, it's possible Mafia doesn't even know what time zone is good for them, or what happens when time zones change. I don't think, at this point, you can determine scum based on how people are voting for different time zones. But an organized list of what time zones each player has ever voted for will come VERY MUCH in handy later in the game.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Sorry for the quadruple post, but you guys DO realize that your characters ALL learn their magic at the end of time!? It's the one time period where the heroes of the game get the most character buffs. Flavor to me would suggest character buffs to Crono, Marle, Frog, etc. by unlocking their "magic" however, this is flavor based - you don't know that Frog isn't actually mafia in this game, etc - especially considering the characters OS chose for Mafia in his last game - I mean, TERRA, EDGAR AND STRAGO!? Some of the more righteous characters of the game were Mafia. So yeah I don't think you can decide that the end of time is bad for town.

 

[Scamp]

My stance on time travel:

I think, just as the rules stated, it's going to unlock some character abilities and bonuses, and remove some others. I think some characters might need less or more votes to get lynched in certain time periods. This kind of stuff, I get the feeling, is affected. However, I think at this point in time, it is impossible to tell if it's more beneficial to stay in this time period, go to a specific time period, or go to the end of time

Scamp, why do you think change in time zones will help independents and Mafia more? There's nothing really to suggest this. Just curious why you think this is the case.

I truly believe that I have a good case as to why going to the end of time is a bad idea.


As for why changes in time zones will help indies and mafia more, it's mostly a feeling. I suspect that it is not necessary for us to jump time in order to win. Meanwhile, if abilities and bonuses are unlocked for different time periods then mafia and independents get them too. Sure, town will get some as well but I think it'd be riskier since they can't reveal their powers without becoming a target.

However, I'm not against the idea to go to different time zones and seeing what happens. I just think the safest play is to stay where we are. I am VEHEMENTLY against going to the End of Time, if that's not obvious already.

 

[Omni]

lmao @ Edreeses triple post and "omg magicks" theory. now i totally want to go to the End of Time since that's where we all learn our magics! cmon, Edrees -_-. are you pulling our legs on being excited about that are you being serious

Lavos was on the planet 65 billion years ago.

and something interesting i noticed...

Sorry for the quadruple post, but you guys DO realize that your characters ALL learn their magic at the end of time!?

oh... all of our character learn magic meaning your character hasn't been listed? interesting slip, edreeses.

unvote
Vote: Edreeses

i would hope that you're not lavos in disguise attempting to bait us into moving into The End of Time with the empty promises of OMG MAGICKS and what not.

also, lavos is clearly the antagonist in this game. Overswarm made it clear. just as he made it clear in the last game that good guys from FFVI could potentially be threats. so im not sure why you're eluding to the fact that lavos is somehow not the main issue. regardless, we cannot determine if he is mafia or indy since both are possible, but he's probably our biggest threat

 

[DMG]

Flavor in Purple.


Opinion on time traveling: Unless we clearly desire to go to the end of time by a noticeable margin, I do not think we should try to go there until we have at least a bit more information gathered. If we do decide to time travel, the first few times we should maybe try to spread it out and see if there is a pattern on who gets the buffs/debuffs. Even if the buff choices appear completely random, that kind of information is probably better realized sooner than later. When choosing a time period, it is essential we discuss before voting early, especially considering we cannot unvote time period votes.

If the buffs and debuffs ARE correlated to where people were in the actual Chrono Trigger game, this makes keeping time travel voting records more helpful in figuring out who may be trying to take us to a period for their own gain. If they are truly random or close to random, keeping a record will still prove useful so I suggest keeping one regardless of the buff/debuff pattern.

 

[Shaya]

I agree with DMG on opinion.

Actually DMG, you are (along with Rajam) one of the new people to the BBR Mafia. I don't think anyone has asked you about your experiences and what not. Care to oblige?

 

[Pierce7d]

I have a lot to think about for now, but while everyone came up with half decent reaons, I got an, "I don't have to tell you anything" vote from Rajam. This is NOT town behavior. Whether this is inexperience or not, no johns. I'm inexperienced, but that's not something I'm trying to take with me to a more important aspect of the game.

unvote
Vote: Rajam

I don't think Edreeses is necessarily trying to bait us into the End of Time, more dismissing flavor that it's bad for us. However, that doesn't dismiss the slop that Omni caught, HEAVILY suggesting that Edreeses is not Crono, Marle, or Frog

 

[Pierce7d]

(Oh sweet, other people are up at this hour. I couldn't sleep, lol)

Most of you seem against going to the EoT, so I'm backing off of the suggestion, even though I strongly suspect that it's a solid course of action.
Also, I doubt either exclusively town or mafia will get buffs or penalties for any specific travel.

At this point, do we think it's advisable to travel or to stay put? Also where are we trying to go?

 

[Shaya]

Also,

Pierce and Edrees, both of you are opting for going to the end of time. I'm very wary of such a thing considering:

If there is a tie, all players will be stuck in "End of Time"

Don't you think actively going for the end of time when there are an uneven amount of people to be DANGEROUS? One person holds out on their vote till the end and they get their guaranteed time of preference.

Like lynches, voting for a time period should be close to a town majority decision, otherwise the effects could very well be detrimental to us.

 

[Omni]

@Pierce: Edreeses' post infers that he isn't ANY of the characters mentioned including the rest of the cast mentioned. Not just those three.

 

[DMG]

I used to play Mafia on various IRC channels that either had a bot to handle commands, or an actual person who kept track, to kill time. I've played all of the roles in Mafia barring some of the unique additions to the variations out there.

 

[Omni]

It's impossible to tell what we gain/lose by staying put or going into another timezone. All we know is that it is an option. Of course, in the game going through different timezones is necessary to defeat Lavos. However, I think the opportunity cost of not going ANYWHERE outweighs the option of staying put.

And to keep things unbiased and quirky I want to go to 600 A.D. just like how the storyline plot was drawn out in the game.

@Pierce: Read carefully at Rajam's response and then read your post. Did you not catch the subtle hint?

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Don't confuse me. I never suggested that we go to the End of Time. Just that I wouldn't be opposed to it. I'm neutral on where to go, as long as we try something early to find out what happens early as possible when it is less damaging. I was simply giving detail on why flavor could possibly also point the End of Time as a good thing for either town or mafia.

Also that isn't some sort of slip. It's just semantics for using your vs our, I'm not discluding myself from that group. I'm providing reasons, to you guys, why your character (who can be either town or mafia) can be buffed at the end of time, town or mafia. And mine too, it's just that I was trying to write a persuasive post so I was trying to personally address the reader, I find it more persuasive to address my posts like that, as if I'm directly talking to a reader. By "your" i mean literally 1 person, the person reading the post. Not "oh all you guys who are actually one of these characters."

Regarding the end of time - If you look over my post, I'm only suggesting reasons why I don't think we can conclude that the end of time is definitely something to avoid, I only draw the conclusion that it "Might" not be horrible. I never suggested we vote to go there - just that we go somewhere. I gave no preferential treatment to the end of time versus another time period. Now I'm becoming suspicious of people who are trying really hard to avoid us going there because you know something might happen. Based on flavor alone you seem to be vehemently against going there. I find that UNLIKE you considering how much you bashed flavor in the last Mafia game.

Unlike you Omni, I am OPEN to either going to the end of time or not - I'm just saying we can't make that determination because flavor can suggest either way. Some of you, on the otherhand, seem to be so extremely opposed to the idea relying on nothing but flavor. That's what I"m suspicious of.

Vote: Omni

Also Omni, lavos is not on the planet initially in 65BC (just calling it that for short) He lands halfway through the game.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

By the way, I advise everyone to be careful of voting for someone and giving them the majority vote. Remember, when the day ends, the person with majority vote gets lynched, so only vote for a majority person if you really have strong feelings, in case anything pre maturely ends the day.

 

[Pierce7d]

@ Shaya, actually, I considered this, and this is ANOTHER reason I had originally wanted to go early. Right now, while going anywhere is fair game, such an incident is almost dismissible, since we don't really seem to mind going anywhere. Actually, such an incident is a SUREFIRE WAY TO IDENTIFY SOMEONE NOT TOWN, unless a townie was stupid enough to go against town and get themselves lynched next turn. Later in the game, it's true that we might not be able to afford such an incident, so I wanted to check it out NOW, rather than later. To directly answer your question, right now, it's not dangerous, but informative if there WERE to be an incident. Later it would be dangerous, so why wait? However, like I said, since no one else seems for it, I'll let it drop.

@Omni
Edreeses post refers to the granting of magical powers given at the End of Time, and I believe even specifically states the three characters mentioned as those who obtain magic. Why do you feel his post alluded to more than that?
Also, his Chilean accent made me miss it the first time around.