Chrono Trigger Mafia: Omni and Scamp Win! Adumbrodeus wins!

[EdreesesPieces]

I still think Marc is scum. I kid. Carrying on..

Adumbrodeus: I don't think you are playing the same as last game though. I'm not going to point out exactly why just yet, because I'd like to see if you carry that behavior through the game.

Pierce and SL: I thought we were no longer going to make a big deal out of the timeline crap. Calm down SL.

Omni: I don't agree with your entire list though, while I have minor suspicions of Chibo for his hasty vote of the future timeline, I'm not really concerned about him at this point, especially compared to the others you mentioned.

Digging out DMG's posts: (I believe this is all he's had)

Flavor in Purple.

Opinion on time traveling: Unless we clearly desire to go to the end of time by a noticeable margin, I do not think we should try to go there until we have at least a bit more information gathered. If we do decide to time travel, the first few times we should maybe try to spread it out and see if there is a pattern on who gets the buffs/debuffs. Even if the buff choices appear completely random, that kind of information is probably better realized sooner than later. When choosing a time period, it is essential we discuss before voting early, especially considering we cannot unvote time period votes.

If the buffs and debuffs ARE correlated to where people were in the actual Chrono Trigger game, this makes keeping time travel voting records more helpful in figuring out who may be trying to take us to a period for their own gain. If they are truly random or close to random, keeping a record will still prove useful so I suggest keeping one regardless of the buff/debuff pattern.

Here's how I feel about it:

- Let's say that we go to EoT on purpose. It turns out to be bad for town. So we switch to another time period, that also happens to be bad for town. Now instead of that happening, we could "flag" EoT like it's a mine in our game of minesweeper, and look elsewhere. Basically, if we really believe that EoT is gonna be bad for town, why go there on purpose instead of trying to get a better location?

If we knew a safe or better time period for town along with knowing or strongly believing that EoT will be bad, then you could go there on purpose and fall back on the better period (taking note of anyone who votes otherwise). But that isn't the case. This period isn't guaranteed to be good for town even if we are starting off here, where as there's reasonable belief even from yourself that EoT is bad. That and even if we knew this period was safer for us, we would be basically wasting a turn going to EoT, bad things Probably happening, then come back to square 1 with some people gone.

At this point in time, people are split on where to go. We didn't start out with a unified effort to go to EoT, and figuring out who voted for other time periods for their benefits is much harder at this point. The prospects would have been better if people did not vote so early on where to go, and were split on it.

DMG, all your contributions have been flavor talk pretty much. A bunch of flavor talk, and one of you answering someone's question on your experience. No suspicions, no hunting, nothing. Any reasons why I should change my vote from you to someone else?

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Ugh, I think I need to take a nap on my lunchbreak. .can't even copy and paste right. one more i meant to include in the above post.

Gonna go read up on Chrono Trigger. I feel like a bad person for signing up when I've never played CT a single time lol. I know the mafia rules though, I'm no Raj

As for suspicions, I have none at this time.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Adumbrodeus: I don't think you are playing the same as last game though. I'm not going to point out exactly why just yet, because I'd like to see if you carry that behavior through the game.

I will never play like that again, ever. If you think I'm scummy cause I don't match up with your metagaming, you're having tunnel vision right now.

Heck, first thing I did after the game ended was apologizing to omni for my stupidity.


If you think I'm doing something scummy, call me out for it, but since I've got a very obvious metagame reason for not playing anything like my previous town-game (heck, even distancing myself from the early play IN-GAME), I don't see how you can come to that conclusion.


So yes, I plan on aggressively scum-hunting the entire game.

Digging out DMG's posts: (I believe this is all he's had)





DMG, all your contributions have been flavor talk pretty much. A bunch of flavor talk, and one of you answering someone's question on your experience. No suspicions, no hunting, nothing. Any reasons why I should change my vote from you to someone else?

Seems suspicious, sit on him Edrees, I wanna sit on chibo for a bit, see how he responds.





@Pierce: Since everybody else already got called out on it, all I see from you guys are flavor flavor flavor. Who are your top 3 scum picks and why?

 

[Red Arremer]

Vote: DMG

After reading through his posts again (thanks Edrees!) he does seem awfully silent. Reflex 2.0, you could say, heh.

 

[DMG]

Sure thing. I am suspicious of Shadowlink for voting that early for a time period (Raj I accept him as being a new player and that kind of behavior not being surprising, along with it being too obvious/too much of a target made for an educated Mafia to make) and for how strongly he is linking the CT game to this Mafia variation. It would be reasonable for there to be some kind of correlations between that game and this game, but to assume for things to function extremely similar or as close to similar as possible is dangerous. If he is town, he is putting himself, and more importantly in the big picture town, at an unnecessary liability making such strong assumptions.

It would seem too obvious for scum to vote that early on a time period, but I am not going to make assumptions on how scum will try to act. Therefore, for face value, that seems very suspicious to me. I am not sure whether I feel strongly enough to vote him, but I am certainly wary of how he acts in the future especially concerning time travel. I find suspicions of Pierce and Adum to be about as reasonable as you can expect for this early into the game, but I feel there is a better case against Shadowlink than those 2.

 

[CT Chia]

@Pierce: sure uh, i'll probably just vote to go to w/e was next after 600 AD in the storyline. i think it was 65 billion but i'll look it up and that's where we can go. i'm also holding my time travel vote until the last moment so prevent mafia/anyone from forcing tie so you're going to have to vote before me

The fallacy in this is that you imply that mafia wants to wait as long as possible in order to try and force a tie, and yet you say yourself that you're going to hold onto your time vote as long as possible. Also wanting to go for a third time period than the two that are being voted on is even more likely to help us not reach a majority.

I'm also wondering why you want to try and follow the same time periods as in the game. A bit flavor/outside-game based logic there isn't it? I mean it's something, but imo it really doesn't matter where we go. To me though it seems more of a paltry attempt at an explanation to get us to go where you want to based on your role. This game also doesn't seem to be following CT exactly (I really wish I remembered the game better, it's been like 10 years since I've played it). This mafia game says that we know of Lavos' existence, which is obviously not at the beginning of the game CT. By the time they first visit the pre-historic area (the second time period you said they went to), do they even know of his existence yet?

- adumbrodeus just because i find his play awkward compared to last game.

Wasn't that adum's first game? He's also in another mafia game right now in dGames right? A newbie mafia iirc? How does his play stack up in compared to that? (too lazy to check it out but since you seem to be interested in meta gaming him...)
Meta gaming people that are this new to mafia really shouldn't be done imo, like in this situation likely haven't found their niche and are still trying various styles. Or at least, this is exactly how I felt when I started playing forum mafia.

Unvote
Vote: ChiboSempai



Chibo, why are you being so purposefully obtuse?

Personally, I don't even feel that I'm being obtuse.

And because of such, I want to either hear in your own words what you find wrong with my play or I'm going to continue in believing that this is simply parroting Omni.

Hey there, I have Day 1 on the phone. He wants me to tell you you're playing like a moron when you think that Day 1 is the best occasion for scumhunting.

While it's not "the best," I don't think you should have this mentality and you've underrating Day 1.

Unvote
Vote: Marc

*Ultra-mega-facepalm*

THIS IS CHRONO TRIGGER MAFIA

Idjit.


The problem is you are acting like it is STANDARD mafia.
The fact that Overswarm said that even dead characters can come back to life OBVIOUSLY MEANS THAT THIS ISNT STANDARD MAFIA.

It's still "mafia" however. In flavor games like this it's more added for fun or for some mechanics changes, but living die hard to the game and playing exactly like how stuff happens in the game won't happen. Why? Because not everyone here has played it or memorizes it perfectly. You could predict the outcome of the game and break the system and know how to pick the right options. Etc etc. I'm with Pierce on this thought.

**** THIS COMP!

Wanted to finish tha tpost.

Anyway, 2300A.D. is the most beneficial to heroes.

Lavos is gone, his spawn are leaving.
Chrono comes back to life.
You gain the Epoch.
you gain the sunstone.
You gain Robo.
You learn of Lavos
You also restart life on the planet.

Oh I see, if we all vote 2300 AD we magically revive a townie, get a new townie, restart the game, find out where Lavos is, get a cool space ship, and the sun stone. Wow this time sure does sound important...

-_-

Vote: DMG

After reading through his posts again (thanks Edrees!) he does seem awfully silent. Reflex 2.0, you could say, heh.

"4. Reflex Relm, Town Ability-Copier"

 

[Pierce7d]

unvote
Vote: Shadowlink

You are by far acting the most scummy right now imo. While I am guilty of flavor talk to the max, I'm doing it specifically regarding an important aspect of this game. You're trying to run a **** ice-cream shop. Also, you are aggressively rebutting fairly basic and sensible opinions on why we should or should not travel to EoT.

I already said that I'm interested in going to every timezone, which includes EoT. That was my logic in going there "At all" and I said that it's safer to go now than later due to easily broken votes. No flavor talk in that at all.

You have been claiming that's it's okay to heavily consider flavor just because it's Chrono Trigger Mafia. This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. So I guess it have been heavily considered in the last game because guess what, it was FF Mafia! Oh! How dumb we've all been! Oh wait . . .

I'm not taking someone who is THIS flavor based any farther than I have to.

Omni, I'm going to hold off on saying who I think is scum for a little while longer, just because I have a heavy suspicion I want to investigate a little more without saying anything. If you STRONGLY feel this is scummy behavior, I'll talk, and if I get killed tonight for being right, the rest of town will know what's up.

 

[Pierce7d]

Oh, let's not forget voting No Lynch could be part of fulfilling a posting restriction. It definitely doesn't smell THAT scummy to me.

 

[adumbrodeus]

unvote
Vote: Shadowlink

You are by far acting the most scummy right now imo. While I am guilty of flavor talk to the max, I'm doing it specifically regarding an important aspect of this game. You're trying to run a **** ice-cream shop. Also, you are aggressively rebutting fairly basic and sensible opinions on why we should or should not travel to EoT.

I already said that I'm interested in going to every timezone, which includes EoT. That was my logic in going there "At all" and I said that it's safer to go now than later due to easily broken votes. No flavor talk in that at all.

You have been claiming that's it's okay to heavily consider flavor just because it's Chrono Trigger Mafia. This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. So I guess it have been heavily considered in the last game because guess what, it was FF Mafia! Oh! How dumb we've all been! Oh wait . . .

I'm not taking someone who is THIS flavor based any farther than I have to.

Omni, I'm going to hold off on saying who I think is scum for a little while longer, just because I have a heavy suspicion I want to investigate a little more without saying anything. If you STRONGLY feel this is scummy behavior, I'll talk, and if I get killed tonight for being right, the rest of town will know what's up.

Not saying it makes you an easy target for tomorrow, might as well have it out there for us to talk. Also, it makes toNight a perfect opportunity to kill you.

Unless it requires the night, which makes it a bad idea to reveal at all.


Though, I asked for your picks, Omni called out SL.



I will however say that unlike FF6 mafia, the mechanics of this game are heavily built on the flavor whereas the FF6 was just standard mafia with FF names for the costume roles.

We have the name of the baddy, we also have that he has a contigency plan, all of which is in the flavor.

As such, I believe flavor talk is appropriate, TO A POINT, and you guys just took it to a whole nother level.

Oh, let's not forget voting No Lynch could be part of fulfilling a posting restriction. It definitely doesn't smell THAT scummy to me.

A reasonable point... but the fact that he didn't actually even suggest it was, and in fact suggested it was a distraction tactic was what smelled.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

I find flavor talk acceptable, what I don't find acceptable are votes based on flavor talk. There's a huge difference. The flavor talk was there to spur discussion and draw the real information, then the real information should be used to make votes on lynches or timelines, not the flavor.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Heck a best example is me. My talking of flavor got my first real input in the game, then Omni was able to draw my real behavior, reactions, patterns, etc. based on the initial flavor talk. That's how flavor should be used. Not to make actual decisions.

 

[Red Arremer]

"4. Reflex Relm, Town Ability-Copier"

I more meant along the lines of:
TheReflexWonder, 19 posts.

As in:
Reflex, he hardly was active like AT ALL.

 

[Red Arremer]

and in fact suggested it was a distraction tactic was what smelled.

Look, how much do I have to tell you that? I thought we were DONE? Do you really want me to say the same **** the whole Day? Maybe continue Day 2, or the whole time until I possibly get killed or the game ends, will you?

I. NEVER. SAID. THAT.
I NEVER said it was a DISTRACTION TACTIC.

It occured like this:
Joel: "I vote No Lynch."
adumbrodeus: "Wait, why do you vote no lynch?"
Joel: "Hah, I knew you were gonna ask. Alright, here is my reason: [reason]."
adumbrodeus: "But why do you vote no lynch?"
Joel: "Because of [reason]."
adumbrodeus: "But why do you vote no lynch?"
Joel: "Uh... because of [reason]?"
adumbrodeus: "But why do you vote no lynch?"
Joel: "Hey man, I already said it was because of [reason]."
adumbrodeus: "But why do you vote no lynch?"
Joel: "Seriously stop that, it's stupid. I already told you numerous times it's [reason] that I vote for no lynch."
adumbrodeus: "But why do you vote no lynch?"
Joel: "WAAAHHHH!"
adumbrodeus: "Alright I'm done."
Joel: "Finally, I feel like a broken record."
- a few minutes later -
adumbrodeus: "But why do you vote no lynch?"

 

[Scamp]

I like how people are talking like I'm suddenly inactive when I haven't even been gone for more than one day's time. And I mean real life days, not in-game days.

Without checking, I believe I didn't say that I was going to be aggressive this game, just different. Anyway, real life is calling and I'll catch up tomorrow morning.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Hmm different in which way? In the "I'm scum this time " sort of way?

 

[ShadowLink84]

stfu, SL.

stop assuming that the events that occurred in the video game are actually going to occur in this mafia game.

who do you think is scum

OS did say character's can come back to life.
That's the only reason I do think we should take into consideration the events that occurred.

Btw, you don't go to 65,000,000 until you visit 1000 A.D a third time =(

 

[ShadowLink84]

unvote
Vote: Shadowlink

You are by far acting the most scummy right now imo. While I am guilty of flavor talk to the max, I'm doing it specifically regarding an important aspect of this game. You're trying to run a **** ice-cream shop. Also, you are aggressively rebutting fairly basic and sensible opinions on why we should or should not travel to EoT.

How is it at all sensible, to go to a place that most likely may hurt us?

Considering the fact that flavor seems to be more important, to say that "we dont know anything." is ludicrous.

It is an important aspect of the game, but we also know it is also going according to a specific theme too.
You were asking "I want to go to EOT just because we can. It has a possibility of harming us, but thats fine to be hurt now instead of later"
why not just avoid it entirely?

I already said that I'm interested in going to every timezone, which includes EoT. That was my logic in going there "At all" and I said that it's safer to go now than later due to easily broken votes. No flavor talk in that at all.

Go there just because we can?
Think about it this way. The majority feels that EoT is a possibly hurtful zone for town.
Not because it is necessarily against town, but because it hurts by telling us nothing at all.

You have been claiming that's it's okay to heavily consider flavor just because it's Chrono Trigger Mafia. This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. So I guess it have been heavily considered in the last game because guess what, it was FF Mafia! Oh! How dumb we've all been! Oh wait . . .

Actually no, don't put words in my mouth.
Consider this, we JUST started the game off yes?
We tend to learn more from who gets killed or lynched because it dictates where we went wrong, or where we went right.

So currently, we have what is given.
Consider this, however, the fact that OS said characters can come back to life?
The fact we can change timelines?
Flavor is most likely going to be involved regardless.

Let alone your comparison to FF6 Mafia is invalid.
FF6 mafia only derived it in regards to character roles right?
on the other hand, OS said character's can come back to life and we also can time travel.
SO yeah, we should take it into account at most early game while we still have very little to go on.

FF6 Mafia isn't the same as CT in terms of how flavor influenced things.
I am sure this will reflect that in later days.
I'll bet my money on it.

I'm not taking someone who is THIS flavor based any farther than I have to.

On the other hand its better to go somewhere just because we can? That's as useful as Chibo.

Awesome!


@omni: I think at this point in the game, there really isn't anyone acting particularly scummy. While I do dislike the fact that pierce basically stated he wanted to go to EoT just because he wants to visit every place once.
I also find joel's behavior rather odd. he seems very defensive when he was being pressured.
Chibo is useless, he's just there, like last mafia game. There really isn't much to say if he is scum or not. He's just there.

I apologize if I missed this earlier, but whom do you regard as possible scum?

 

[Red Arremer]

@SL:
I wasn't pressured. I just felt like a broken record cause adumbrodeus was stupid and/or blind. Sorry I don't feel like ignoring whatever I say is fun.

 

[Pierce7d]

[@Pierce: sure uh, i'll probably just vote to go to w/e was next after 600 AD in the storyline. i think it was 65 billion but i'll look it up and that's where we can go. i'm also holding my time travel vote until the last moment so prevent mafia/anyone from forcing tie so you're going to have to vote before me

Kept forgetting this, with little to no information, storyline seems like the best course.

@everyone: Would you guys be willing to follow the story (ignoring repeats), seeing as flavor-wise, that would give us a chance to explore every period. It states that lavos has a contigency plan so I doubt that it's a good idea to stick with one period.

Also, could we stay in present till tomorrow so we'd get a chance to see what present does?

I find it very slightly scummy that this occurred in this way. Allow me to explain.

Omni wanted to go to 600 A.D.. We don't know why and he may be telling the truth. However, though his reason might have been solid, I didn't trust anyone's initial vote for time travel. So, I figure since Omni was the first to propose a time period without voting, and it was the third period suggested, I figure that prompting him to choose the zone but a different one, would make it unlikely for scum to land an optimal hit on the opening time zone. Omni agreed to this, but then Adam comes in and completely disregards what I just said, once again restoring focus to 600 A.D.

Now, this isn't THAT suspicious to me, just something to keep my eye on.

 

[adumbrodeus]

I find it very slightly scummy that this occurred in this way. Allow me to explain.

Omni wanted to go to 600 A.D.. We don't know why and he may be telling the truth. However, though his reason might have been solid, I didn't trust anyone's initial vote for time travel. So, I figure since Omni was the first to propose a time period without voting, and it was the third period suggested, I figure that prompting him to choose the zone but a different one, would make it unlikely for scum to land an optimal hit on the opening time zone. Omni agreed to this, but then Adam comes in and completely disregards what I just said, once again restoring focus to 600 A.D.

Now, this isn't THAT suspicious to me, just something to keep my eye on.

That's actually a legit suggestion, but when I said "all I saw was flavor flavor flavor", I meant it, I totally missed your suggestion, and omni ninja'd me.



Regardless, I didn't suggest 600 AD, not yet anyway, my suggestion was to stick with present day for now.

 

[Rajam]

ok contrary to what I said before, I'll start to post more. I have been thinking about all this EoT thing and I have some theories and stuff. Also I'll start to re-check everyone's posts from the very beginning of the day and try to arrive to some useful hints, opinions, probable/unlikely "facts", etc.

 

[Shaya]

Perhaps we could ask a game mod to "randomly pick" a time period for us?

I really do think the flavour is going too far. It does give us something to argue and talk about depending on player's votes, but at this point I think it's becoming anti-town.

We do have TWO time votes to go by though, Rajam and SL's (and Chibo on top of that).
SL's reasons have been heavily reasoned by the game story line. But this is Mafia. Also I'm not buying Chibo's "i didn't realise his reasons were so silly" to avoid pressure on him backing a vote to 2300.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

I also see little reason not to make use of time traveling seeing as how we can vote once per day.

On that note, I would like to
Travel: Future 2300 A.D.

At this point in the game, I do think we should make use of Time traveling.

Based on this brilliant lack of reasoning, Chibo jumps aboard:

I'm gonna kick start us into a majority for time travel. There's no way anyone will be able to convince me or others (likely) to go to once certain place without people slipping up on potential buffs or weaknesses. Shadowlink and Rajam are the two time voters right now and I'm more inclined to stick with SL.

Travel - 2300 AD

Then, I ask Shadowlink to elaborate more on why he voted this period. His response:

2300 A.D. is arguably the most important and beneficial place for the good guys.

Chibo's response to this

This is such a bad post... kind of upset I voted for this now lol

but regardless Id rather we didn't fumble between 3 or 4 time periods in voting, so I chose one of the 2 already voted on, and went with the person I'm currently not voting.

Essentially, Shadowlink giving NO reasoning was perfectly enough to make Chibo jump on board. However, people started chastizing Chibo for it, and then I ask Shadow why he voted for it, and suddenly Chibo doesn't like his explanation!? Chibo, I have a question. Why were you content with having NO reason to vote for 2300 AD but suddenly, a reason based on flavor made you regret your decision? Flavor isn't a good reason, but it sure as hell is better than no reason. Either you didn't plan or care to put much thought into your vote or you know something and are eager to travel to this period. It's one of the two.

 

[CT Chia]

I was fine with no reasoning because were presented with a pool of time periods, and 0 knowledge on whats better and worse for town. It's w/e, its a random pick. So I chose between the two periods that already had votes to work towards a majority. I found Rajam more scummy at the time so I went with not him.

I don't like SL's one liner post you said of where he thought 2300 AD is the best because he said it was the most beneficial place for the good guys. Why is that? There is 0 proof of that. That's why I don't like that post of his.

 

[ShadowLink84]

Perhaps we could ask a game mod to "randomly pick" a time period for us?

I really do think the flavour is going too far. It does give us something to argue and talk about depending on player's votes, but at this point I think it's becoming anti-town.

We do have TWO time votes to go by though, Rajam and SL's (and Chibo on top of that).
SL's reasons have been heavily reasoned by the game story line. But this is Mafia. Also I'm not buying Chibo's "i didn't realise his reasons were so silly" to avoid pressure on him backing a vote to 2300.

You'd have to criticize Omni as well then because he said he would make his vote be 600 A.D for storyline.

*shrug*

Pretty much the same reason I chose 2300 A.D.
on the other hand, think of it this way, we don't know what may happen when we get there.
Currently, because of how little is known in the first day, why remain in 1000 A.D?

So it isn't only just because of possible flavor, but also in order to gain possible information as well.
O say "let's not go to any timezone" wouldn't be a good idea, primarily because considering the theme, more thanlikely it may show possible positives.

Furthermore, saying that flavor talk is too much in a game in which flavor is obviously had an influence isn't necessarily accurate.

one more thing, why did Chibo back me on the vote?
Does he not have an opinion in regards to the timezones?

 

[ShadowLink84]

I was fine with no reasoning because were presented with a pool of time periods, and 0 knowledge on whats better and worse for town. It's w/e, its a random pick. So I chose between the two periods that already had votes to work towards a majority. I found Rajam more scummy at the time so I went with not him.

I don't like SL's one liner post you said of where he thought 2300 AD is the best because he said it was the most beneficial place for the good guys. Why is that? There is 0 proof of that. That's why I don't like that post of his.

I gave my reasoning the time I voted. It is why I one lined, repeating myself gets tiring.
Furthermore, I find your excuse to be poor.

1. Why didn't you back Omni? He suggested 600 A.D Why not vote for that? R any other time period?

2. Why would you vote without awaiting the reason for my vote? Obviously, if you voted for it, you had your own reasons. you would not have voted. Let alone if it was random, you could have voted for 65,000,000 B.C. since it would have been random. A disagreement in time traveling would mean EoT. So either way, it would have been fine for you.

So, what was the reason for the vote?
It couldn't have been random because, as I said, you would have been fine voting for anything else since either you go to EoT, or someone backs you on it.
With the way time traveling is handled, you would not vote without reason or unless town came to a collective agreement.

 

[CT Chia]

I said the reason for my vote.

I wanted to vote on a time that already had votes on it because I don't want it to be split as much. If we end up in EoT, its whatever, but I believe were much better off in a regular time period as suggested by OS and the fact that EoT is brought upon by indecisiveness instead of the town working together.

So I wanted to work towards a majority and didn't want to vote on a third time. U and Rajam had voted for a time. My normal vote was on Rajam and I'm not liking his play, so I din't want to vote on the same time as him.

 

[ShadowLink84]

I said the reason for my vote.

I wanted to vote on a time that already had votes on it because I don't want it to be split as much. If we end up in EoT, its whatever, but I believe were much better off in a regular time period as suggested by OS and the fact that EoT is brought upon by indecisiveness instead of the town working together.

The deadline wasn't even close at the time.
Fearful of a tie? That early in the game?
Why not wait it out like Omni?
you were very quiet last game, why just stick your vote in like that?

Also, what about Rajam's play do you feel is scummy?

So I wanted to work towards a majority and didn't want to vote on a third time. U and Rajam had voted for a time. My normal vote was on Rajam and I'm not liking his play, so I din't want to vote on the same time as him.

Read above.

 

[Omni]

is chibo dead yet

 

[adumbrodeus]

Unvote
Vote: Shadowlink84

Shadowlink, you seem unwilling or incapable of scumhunting.



@Chibo, forgot to respond to you in my last post.


The reason that you seem purposefully obtuse is that you have yet to contribute any substantative scumhunting, and your sole purpose in this game so far seems to be to piss Omni off, and that convo illustrated it perfectly. Ok, piss Omni off and talk about flavor, and while flavor talk has a place, scum-hunting is still priority.

While it's extremely funny, I'm in this to win it, and unless I see some substantiative scumhunting from you, I'll peg you as either useless town or scum.

 

[Overswarm]

Lynch Votecount:

Pierce7d (2): Rajam, ShadowLink84,
Chibo (1): Omni
DMG: (2) .joel, EdreesesPieces
Shadowlink (2): Pierce7d, adumbrodeus

Time Votecount:
Middle Ages - 600 A.D. (1): Rajam
Future - 2300 A.D. (2): ShadowLink84, ChiboSempai

Day ends on Wednesday, May 26th at 3:00 PM EST
With 11 alive it takes 6 to end the day with a lynch

Let me know if I've missed anything.

 

[CT Chia]

If piss Omni off is all you think I've done then you need to re-read. Excuse me for trying to pressure someone and see how he reacts (which btw, isnt that good lol)

 

[ShadowLink84]

is chibo dead yet

Nope.
Why would you want him to?
Certainly I can understand you wouldn't want him around in Lylo; he did kinda screw that up last game; but he is more active.

@Adumbrodeus: How so? Explain a bit more.

 

[adumbrodeus]

If piss Omni off is all you think I've done then you need to re-read. Excuse me for trying to pressure someone and see how he reacts (which btw, isnt that good lol)

You're getting better with this now, but your conversations with Omni seem extremely vapid, and unlikely to produce any reads beyond "omni is pissed off at you because of your behavior last game, and picking behavior that is meant to piss him off on purpose is just gonna increase that".


Oh, and a lot of flavor talk.


Not saying Omni is in the clear "I don't think we have enough to clear anyone yet", but pressure that is likely to produce USEFUL information is more important here.

Basically, the lack of a real scumhunting drive makes me suspicious.

@Adumbrodeus: How so? Explain a bit more.

You: Flavor flavor flavor
Pierce: Flavor, FLAVOR
You: FLAVOR FLAVOR!!!! vote
Pierce: FLAVOR! vote
ect.

(please note that this was NOT intended to represent the nuances of the discussion you guys had AT ALL).


Where's the scumhunting? Flavor has it's place in a game like this, but the reality is that it all comes down to scumhunting in the end.


Multiple people call you out on flavor-baiting, and what do you do, post a ****-load more flavor.

Even if you're trying to get a read using flavor, a legitimate counter is "I disagree based on the flavor", since we don't know for sure how the flavor got applied, that is a logical counter-argument for essentially whatever was said.


So, scumhunt, please.

 

[CT Chia]

Nope.
Why would you want him to?
Certainly I can understand you wouldn't want him around in Lylo; he did kinda screw that up last game; but he is more active.

@Adumbrodeus: How so? Explain a bit more.

this is a common thing said on swf mafia games for pressure and showing that I'm one of the people he would rather lynch. don't take it so literal.

but I am still unsure of why omni thinks so negatively of me, I still don't get his case.

will respond to adum later, I'm on my phone atm

 

[Rajam]

My thoughts on EoT:

An important question to make is if Town (Mafia) should go or avoid EoT. If town doesn't work together, it's very likely that votes about which time to travel will be scattered all around. Now, town not working as one is a good thing for Mafia, so it could also be concluded that votes divided in a lot of time periods is good for Mafia as well. When there isn't a clear majority about which time to travel, it's easier for Mafia to determine wether or not the game moves to EoT. Should Mafia force the game to go to this era, or avoid it? Well, if town isn't working together, the game is closer to move to EoT like by default; Going here looks then as a punishment zone for Town, and therefore a goal for Mafia. Nonetheless, although in this case it's easier for Mafia to reach the EoT, it comes with a high cost, because a Mafia member would reveal himself as such by deliberately not forcing a majority. I'd conclude in this case that the Goal of Mafia is to go to EoT, but they should go here only if they're possitively sure that Town won't be able to turn tides, that is, as a Final Stroke.

Now, let's assume Town is strong, working together. As opposed to the 1st case, they can pretty much determine which time to travel without caring what Mafia picks (since Mafia is minority). Should they go to EoT? Well for that they'd need Mafia collaboration, and that's risky. Town can only travel to the time they want (other than EoT) when they are united, and going to EoT is risky because it seems is a Punishment Zone for not working together. Of course Town could bait Mafia so they force EoT and, because of what I explained in the 1st case, a Mafia member would be revealed. Nonetheless this is risky because they'd need to be sure that Mafia can't turn the tides. Also, if Mafia foresees it, and they don't want to risk members, they could pick a random time other than EoT, which is bad for Town because they'd be losing control. As in case 1, I'd conclude that is safer for Town to just avoid EoT all the time.

 

[CT Chia]

Rajam, can u comment on the game and players and not write a bunch of fluff on speculation of flavor?

 

[Shaya]

And fluff on speculation that's already been said...

 

[ShadowLink84]

And fluff on speculation that's already been said...

The time traveling is based on flavor isn't it though?
The concept I mean in regards to this theme.
it only makes sense for speculation in regards to it to be flavor based.
Furthermore, he did make note of something I said earlier.

You only go to EOT when there is disagreement.
Basically, unless town is dis-unified, we'd never go to EOT.
Does this not perhaps indicate such a time zone may be beneficial to mafia because it requires dissent within town?

In anycase, Shaya, what episode is your avatar from? Its been bugging me for awhile since I can't figure it out. *.*

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Overswarm you forget to include my vote on DMG.

Though i'm tempted to change it to Rajam. That post was silly and relevant like around post #100 of this thread, not post 280 (this post). I don't find being new a relevant excuse, by now you should have picked up how to play properly.