Chrono Trigger Mafia: Omni and Scamp Win! Adumbrodeus wins!

[Omni]

Overswarm, can you do more frequent vote counts please?

also, rajam, shadowlink, or chibo need to be lynched today

 

[Omni]

In anycase, Shaya, what episode is your avatar from? Its been bugging me for awhile since I can't figure it out. *.*

wait nevermind just saw this

unvote
Vote: ShadowLink

 

[DMG]

Vote: ShadowLink

 

[adumbrodeus]

Omni, I'd prefer Rajam, he's both useless AND inactive, and I can't get any sort of clear read on him, whereas I think SL is more likely town then not.


Not that I wouldn't be ok with him getting lynched (*thinks back to chibo and reflex, also the possibility that he's imitating Marc's play*), which begs the question.



SL, why shouldn't we lynch you this game day?

 

[ShadowLink84]

wait nevermind just saw this

unvote
Vote: ShadowLink

Kind of confused here.
Might I ask the reason for the vote?

Vote: ShadowLink

Bandwagon?

 

[adumbrodeus]

Vote: ShadowLink

Ninja'd


But I don't like this.

Unvote
Vote: DMG



Jumping on a lynch wagon with no reasoning to back it up? That doesn't smell scummy at all [/sarcasm]


I hope you have a good reason for this DMG.

 

[adumbrodeus]

I'm just getting ninja combo'd here, but SL I think the reason is pretty obvious, I already warned you that you're being useless and can't seem to scumhunt. Also, that stupid aside was exactly the kind of thing I went after Joel for earlier, and Omni didn't think it was any less suspicious then I did.


Of course with DMG being legit scummy...

 

[DMG]

Sure thing. I am suspicious of Shadowlink for voting that early for a time period (Raj I accept him as being a new player and that kind of behavior not being surprising, along with it being too obvious/too much of a target made for an educated Mafia to make) and for how strongly he is linking the CT game to this Mafia variation. It would be reasonable for there to be some kind of correlations between that game and this game, but to assume for things to function extremely similar or as close to similar as possible is dangerous. If he is town, he is putting himself, and more importantly in the big picture town, at an unnecessary liability making such strong assumptions.

It would seem too obvious for scum to vote that early on a time period, but I am not going to make assumptions on how scum will try to act. Therefore, for face value, that seems very suspicious to me. I am not sure whether I feel strongly enough to vote him, but I am certainly wary of how he acts in the future especially concerning time travel. I find suspicions of Pierce and Adum to be about as reasonable as you can expect for this early into the game, but I feel there is a better case against Shadowlink than those 2.

Did none of you read my post? I've been suspicious of ShadowLink for a bit now. Not since the beginning of the game obviously, then it was too early to really suspect anyone but like Raj. But after he seemed dead set on his flavor views, I have been keeping an eye on him.

 

[ShadowLink84]

@adumbrodeus: Simply because I am not scum. Certainly there was the flavor talk, but that was in regards to a flavor based mechanic. Franky, I would find pierce to be more scummy simply because he wanted to visit an era that requires town to have dissent when it comes to their time travel votes.
Or Chibo who backed my vote simply to avoid a tie that early in the game and worried about a tie? Really?

Unvote
If I have any votes.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Did none of you read my post? I've been suspicious of ShadowLink for a bit now. Not since the beginning of the game obviously, then it was too early to really suspect anyone but like Raj. But after he seemed dead set on his flavor views, I have been keeping an eye on him.

But why are you jumping on the bandwagon to lynch him NOW?


You expressed suspicion, but you didn't have your vote on him, and you didn't give a reason for him being your immediate lynch target.


Jumping on the easy lynch bandwagon, scummy as hell.

@adumbrodeus: Simply because I am not scum. Certainly there was the flavor talk, but that was in regards to a flavor based mechanic. Franky, I would find pierce to be more scummy simply because he wanted to visit an era that requires town to have dissent when it comes to their time travel votes.
Or Chibo who backed my vote simply to avoid a tie that early in the game and worried about a tie? Really?

Unvote
If I have any votes.

Because flavor is flavor, and in a game like this it can be useful, but it's not a substitute for actual scum-hunting.

So, if you wanna help town, stop JUST talking about flavor and try pressuring people into revealing useful information.

 

[ShadowLink84]

I'm just getting ninja combo'd here, but SL I think the reason is pretty obvious, I already warned you that you're being useless and can't seem to scumhunt. Also, that stupid aside was exactly the kind of thing I went after Joel for earlier, and Omni didn't think it was any less suspicious then I did.
Early in the game there really isn't much to go on.
outside of the argument between pierce and I, which I already explained was due to a flavor based mechanic (to try and discuss timetravelin to any era without making any mention of flavor is impossible IMO).

As I said, I understand that muchof what i said was based on flavor.
At the same time, the echanic was derived from flavor, so you can't really avoid it at all.

Furthermore, as I already said as well, the time traveling in itself, like lynching, requires cooperation.
In order to get EOT, there can't be any agreement in regards to time period.

As for the other statement, I like to watch Haruhi. Sue me for it -.-.

Did none of you read my post? I've been suspicious of ShadowLink for a bit now. Not since the beginning of the game obviously, then it was too early to really suspect anyone but like Raj. But after he seemed dead set on his flavor views, I have been keeping an eye on him.

I repeat, time traveling is a flavor based mechanic.
To try at all to act as if flavor will NOT come up when it comes to a flavor based mechanic, is silly.

Let alone what suspicions?
You never mentioned anything to begin with, let alone never questioned me when there was the debate.
If you did make an inkling it was really quiet and unnoticeable, and then you just vote without at the very least repeating your reasons?

Are there any other reasons that you have for me possibly being scum other than just the flavor based talk?
That sounds rather weak to me.

 

[Omni]

@adumbrodeus: Simply because I am not scum. Certainly there was the flavor talk, but that was in regards to a flavor based mechanic. Franky, I would find pierce to be more scummy simply because he wanted to visit an era that requires town to have dissent when it comes to their time travel votes.
Or Chibo who backed my vote simply to avoid a tie that early in the game and worried about a tie? Really?

pointing fingers at others players extremely fast aren't you

 

[EdreesesPieces]

WOW DMG. That bandwagon vote came out of nowhere. I agree with Adumbrodeus' case against you, and ALSO, if you are suspicious of Shadowlink for his flavor based reason on voting 2300 AD, why are not suspicious of Chibo for voting for the time period for no reason, or suspicious of Rajam for his vote on his time period for no reason?

If that's the ONLY thing you got on Shadowlink, and voted him based on that, but waited until there was a bandwagon for it, I find it extremely scummy.

 

[ShadowLink84]

pointing fingers at others players extremely fast aren't you

Nope.
I made this known several pages back.
I said it when arguing with Pierce, and also when speaking with Chibo.

 

[DMG]

Of course flavor is gonna take part in this game. What I find suspicious is how STRONGLY you believe it to be directly and exactly correlated to the original game.

"This person lives in this period, these things happened, THEREFORE we should go there because it will most certainly be like this" is what some of your flavor talk sounds like, not "Well I know this happened in the game, there is some reason to believe that it MIGHT be like this, however we don't really know at this point".

Not suspicious that you are talking flavor, but of how strong it is or seems to be.

Yes I'm voting for him this early. You have the power to unvote, simply sitting on the side and not voting at least once is a waste of resources/potential information gathered. Just as some of you have voted for me to get me to explain myself more, I am voting for SL so he can explain himself. It's not a bandwagon, there's a LONG time IRL for us to sift through posts and see how people are reacting. My vote now is certainly not even close to final.

 

[adumbrodeus]

So if it's a pressure vote, why no reasoning, why no questions, most importantly, WHY NO ATTEMPT TO GAIN INFORMATION?


This strikes me as extremely scummy in that you seem to be going for an easy bandwagon in order to:

A. appear active and pro-town through pseudo-scumhunting against easy targets.

B. attempting to create mislynches against easy targets.

or

C. both

 

[Overswarm]

Lynch Votecount:

Pierce7d (2): Rajam, ShadowLink84,
DMG: (3) .joel, EdreesesPieces, adumbrodeus,
Shadowlink (3): Pierce7d, Omni, DMG,

Time Votecount:
Middle Ages - 600 A.D. (1): Rajam
Future - 2300 A.D. (2): ShadowLink84, ChiboSempai

Day ends on Wednesday, May 26th at 3:00 PM EST
With 11 alive it takes 6 to end the day with a lynch

Let me know if I've missed anything.

Just to clarify, you cannot vote for time periods during twilight. Twilight occurs immediately after someone gets enough votes to be lynched.

 

[ShadowLink84]

Of course flavor is gonna take part in this game. What I find suspicious is how STRONGLY you believe it to be directly and exactly correlated to the original game.

"This person lives in this period, these things happened, THEREFORE we should go there because it will most certainly be like this" is what some of your flavor talk sounds like, not "Well I know this happened in the game, there is some reason to believe that it MIGHT be like this, however we don't really know at this point"

Not suspicious that you are talking flavor, but of how strong it is or seems to be.

Primarily because with the eras as well as the ability to travel between them, it wouldn't make sense for those eras to NOT have an influence in some manner or another.
The only way we will be able to confirm if they are beneficial or not beneficial, is to go to one of them.

omni reflected his interest in 600 A.D for storyline.
My reasons for 2300 A.D were similar.
It is the future no? Is it not possible we'd learn quite a bit from it? If not just as much if we were to go to 600 A.D?

At this point in the game, going to any time era (outside EOT due to the requirements for it), is an unknown.

It is why I do think that the time eras, as well as time traveling will have an affect on town or mafia.
Every time era is sure to have differences, and as I said, considering OS said that character's can even come back to life the era's HAVE to be doing something similar in terms of theme.

It just wouldn't make sense to have them if they didn't have some flavor in them.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Primarily because with the eras as well as the ability to travel between them, it wouldn't make sense for those eras to NOT have an influence in some manner or another.
The only way we will be able to confirm if they are beneficial or not beneficial, is to go to one of them.

omni reflected his interest in 600 A.D for storyline.
My reasons for 2300 A.D were similar.
It is the future no? Is it not possible we'd learn quite a bit from it? If not just as much if we were to go to 600 A.D?

At this point in the game, going to any time era (outside EOT due to the requirements for it), is an unknown.

It is why I do think that the time eras, as well as time traveling will have an affect on town or mafia.
Every time era is sure to have differences, and as I said, considering OS said that character's can even come back to life the era's HAVE to be doing something similar in terms of theme.

It just wouldn't make sense to have them if they didn't have some flavor in them.

You're not helping yourself. If you're town, ignore the flavor talk and concentrate on scumhunting to pressure out information.






He keeps this up, I'm fine with lynching him, even if he is just being a useless townie, just not yet.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Shadowlink, while I don't think it alone is a reason to vote for you, what you and Omni did were nothing alike. He's in favor of going to 600 AD because its the CT storyline but he didn't commit to it and didn't vote for it.

YOU did. There's a HUGE difference, you do realize that the reason for suspicion of your action is because it appears they seemed intent on going there and didn't care what the majority of town thought? That's the issue.

 

[DMG]

By simply voting, I have already fished out information from some of you. Getting info doesn't mean you have to always directly ask people around.

 

[ShadowLink84]

You're not helping yourself. If you're town, ignore the flavor talk and concentrate on scumhunting to pressure out information.

Hey, i ceased talking about it sometime ago.
you're asking why so i told you why.

He keeps this up, I'm fine with lynching him, even if he is just being a useless townie, just not yet.

won't repeat my reasons, its annoying, tiring, and frankly we just shouldn't act as if the theme isn't going to have an influence this time around.

Vote:Rajam
You haven't said anything as of late other than repeating what has already been said.
Why?

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Also, Overswarm mentioned that we cannot vote for a time period during twilight. Considering there are 3 votes for SL and 3 for DMG currently, either player only needs 3 more votes. There are exactly 3 players who have yet to vote. This means a lot of us could potentially miss out on voting a timeline (ie, someone could force a tie to send us to the EoT by quickly voting for 600AD, then voting for SL or DMG) , so perhaps we should starting putting in our timeline votes soon, as we start building up votes on lynch candidates. Just an idea.

Basically I'm saying that whole twilight thing eliminates the potential to break timeline vote TIES because , once twilight starts, you can no longer use your vote....so lets proceed with caution on that.

 

[ShadowLink84]

Reflex all it did was make me repeat myself.
Again.
For the the millionth time.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

DMG ain't Reflex son

 

[Rajam]

It's hard to find scum without actual evidence. We can press/lynch inactives only. That's why there's Day 1 played out - to find out people's posting patterns (are they active or rather inactive? Are they posting at certain times? etc.). Additionally to the first night victim actually being able to play at least for the first day, cause it's pretty gay to sign up and get killed off before you can even say 1 single word, lol. Happened to me once, I was not pleased.

Yea, so...
Bolding the people who have posted since the start of the game:
Signups:
1. Adumbrodeus
2. .joel
3. ShadowLink84
4. DMG
5. Scamp
6. EdreesesPieces
7. Shaya
8. Chibo
9. Rajam
10. Omni
11. Pierce7D

Yea, if someone acts super suspicious, okay. There's that too. I can't edit my posts, hence the sentence "We can press inactives only" - it should've read "pretty much only".

Why would you lynch inactives just because they're inactives? I see no logic behind that, they'll get modkilled anyways. I'd say you're a Mafia member and because most if not all of the guys who didn't post at that time are from Town, you want them lynched. You just didn't vote for anyone so it would not be so obvious, but you are totally readable in this, sry.

unvote: Pierce7d
vote: .joel

Also, I cannot quote Overswarm, but in post #44 he said he forgot to mention in which time we're now, so I guess that was because the actual time doesn't do anything or doesn't matter at all. I guess I was wrong when I said that just because (most likely) there are 3 heroes from this time we should remain in here, so I invite everyone to actually move somewhere else ( other than EoT )

 

[ShadowLink84]

DMG ain't Reflex son

My error, for some reason I mix the names up at times.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Why can't you quote Overswarm?

Also, you give lynch votes to inactives to pull them from the shadows and make them spill information. Voting inactive players is not a scummy action but quite the contrary, it's scumhunting because it draws information from people who are not participating.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

The above post was addressed to Rajam. Ninja'd by Shadowlink.

Also Shadowlink, what do you think of what I said to you in post #300? Please respond to it...Do you understand the difference between you and Omni's actions or do you still think he was in the wrong just as much as you despite you committing with the vote?

 

[DMG]

Raj, you press inactives in hopes of getting info from them. Even if they were to get modkilled, would you rather get something out of them than nothing? Not just for info, but just to have the game more interesting? No one wants to play a game where you think you have 11 players, but 2-3 people end up not being able to play or not playing on purpose.

That and town members have less to gain from being inactive. Mafia has to be selective about what they say to others, and as such are inclined to speak less to give away less. By having them respond more with the threat of a lynch, you can force them to respond well or die.

 

[adumbrodeus]

By simply voting, I have already fished out information from some of you. Getting info doesn't mean you have to always directly ask people around.

...

Dear god, if you're town, you're playing like Vult, gambiting by making yourself a lynch target in order to drag out info. You DON'T do that at to l-2, ever, you're risking a lynch.

The thing is, you're not getting anything on the people you're accusing of being suspicious, which by definition means you're getting a lot less out of it.


So... at best you're playing REALLY REALLY useless town, at worst you're probably scum. I find your explanation unlikely.

Hey, i ceased talking about it sometime ago.
you're asking why so i told you why.


won't repeat my reasons, its annoying, tiring, and frankly we just shouldn't act as if the theme isn't going to have an influence this time around.

Vote:Rajam
You haven't said anything as of late other than repeating what has already been said.
Why?

Better.

I'll agree it's important, but you overdid it.

Why would you lynch inactives just because they're inactives? I see no logic behind that, they'll get modkilled anyways. I'd say you're a Mafia member and because most if not all of the guys who didn't post at that time are from Town, you want them lynched. You just didn't vote for anyone so it would not be so obvious, but you are totally readable in this, sry.

unvote: Pierce7d
vote: .joel

Also, I cannot quote Overswarm, but in post #44 he said he forgot to mention in which time we're now, so I guess that was because the actual time doesn't do anything or doesn't matter at all. I guess I was wrong when I said that just because (most likely) there are 3 heroes from this time we should remain in here, so I invite everyone to actually move somewhere else ( other than EoT )

*facepalm*


It's in town's interest to get rid of inactives, if you want proof, just look at last game. They're easy targets for mafia to organize a bandwagon on of course, but they DESTROY town.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

If there are inactive town members , and you are town, you do NOT want them dead. You want them to BECOME ACTIVE. Only scum would be happy about inactives getting mod killed...

Poor Rajam. Last time there were a lot of us new to the game so we were making the same reasoning errors he is now, but because he's the only one he stands out like a sore thumb.

 

[Red Arremer]

Why would you lynch inactives just because they're inactives? I see no logic behind that, they'll get modkilled anyways.

Because inactivity is anti-town, to be frank, probably one of the most anti-town behaviors in the game.

If you are town, you do nothing to help finding mafia, you won't help town find scum, just sitting there and doing nothing. No information, no ability to conclude from your actions.
You also make an easy target to "just remove" without anyone being able to get a conclusion out of it. Mafia killed off an inactive, so, huh... no clues.
Basically, you're nothing but a rock on town's leg.

And, to quote OS in the OP:

I would like to actively encourage everyone to pressure players that are inactive and punish them by lynching them if necessary. I will replace players that need to be replaced, but the town shouldn't let that be an excuse to let players get away with staying quiet.

 

[Red Arremer]

I also forgot to mention that inactives are also easy targets for mafia to bandwagon lynch votes onto, because scum can reason for them to be "laying low".

 

[Omni]

edreeses, don't worry about twilight. it's a common, universal concept for all mafia games that occur when a person is either lynched off or the deadline is met.

in between the time that a person is lynched and the moderator has yet to post the "end of Day 1" post is when twilight exist.

the issue with this, however, is that later in the game if there is enough scum they can force a certain time period by quick pouncing on the person nearest being lynched. for example, if we are tied in votes (opting to go to EoT with this tie) but we're not done voting for timelines, scum could effectively pounce on the nearest person closest to lynch and force an EoT destination.

with that said, let's not put anyone @ L-2 until we've decided on our destination. as i said im content with going in the storyline direction. im also content with uh pierce's idea of me skipping my original destination ? whatevs.

 

[Red Arremer]

Also, DMG obliged, so

Unvote

for now.

 

[DMG]

But Adum I have. SL talked, his explanation was Bout the same that he's given a few times.

Also consider this: My vote on SL is changeable. His (and others) votes on time travel are not changeable. Are you really more suspicious of a changeable vote (even if you don't agree with it) than a non changeable vote on time travel?

 

[adumbrodeus]

But Adum I have. SL talked, his explanation was Bout the same that he's given a few times.

Also consider this: My vote on SL is changeable. His (and others) votes on time travel are not changeable. Are you really more suspicious of a changeable vote (even if you don't agree with it) than a non changeable vote on time travel?

So, in other words, you were letting other people do the work and ask the questions...

If you're not gonna scumhunt, just don't bother voting until it's time for the actual lynch bandwagon, that way it's easy to pick you out as just useless.


At this point, by all indications, you're pushing for an easy lynch and pretending to scumhunt, both major scumtells.


Voting for flavor... we don't even know what the heck it does, I can't even place it in nearly the same category of scummyness, even if it isn't changable. SL's problem is that he's far too interested in flavor for his own good and is unwilling to drop a topic of debate.

 

[Rajam]

Overswarm, I voted for .joel to lynch

 

[Rajam]

Sorry ignore last post, I was reading old posts