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Chrono Trigger Mafia: Omni and Scamp Win! Adumbrodeus wins!

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Actually, you're dragging out DMG's unexplained vote for SL in your very post.

You are acting scummy, cause you keep other players from scumhunting, and call your distraction tactics scumhunting. You are pushing the attention to minor stupid things, and keep them overshadowing actually really important things. If that is pro-town, I dunno if I understood the very concept of the game mafia as a whole.
Joel, picking up on minor scummy actions and asking for explanations IS scumhunting in the most absolute sense of the term. And then you pressure and ask questions, until either they give information that's useful, or you find somebody else to pressure.


Aka, what I've been doing.


If the discussion ends up going around in circles, I drop the matter, like I did with your unvote (in other words, I started ignoring your further posts on the matter).



I'm not sure if you realize this, but minor details can give way to important information, and refusal to give reasonable pro-town answers to actions further suggests that the person is in fact scummy.


Give a satisfactory answer, I'm off your case. Give a bad one, I'm like "that doesn't make sense, give me more" until I've drained as much info from you as I can on the topic.



Again, the fact that you're the only player that sees this as scummy (one of my targets, and a person that pretty much everyone seems to think looks scummier based on the exchange) is telling.
 

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My vote got SL to respond, and obviously got other people to respond. Not all of my actions are trying to target specific people and "profile" them or aggressively go after them.

My considerations on the possibilities were after my vote. I didn't vote for SL expecting my scenarios to be true, especially since I didn't consider them until after I voted. I saw how you and others responded, and said "Hey this is a possibility, keep note of this".

As for why SL over Chibo or Raj: Raj I'm not concerned about. I was more suspicious after he changed his mind and recommended we stay in the present, but I didn't feel that was stronger than SL voting on a time period that early based on flavor and his continual flavor beliefs. Chibo, I was torn. He seemed unfocused and not putting up a strong defense, when questioned. I'm unsure of his intentions or what he is aiming to achieve.

That, and when I saw Omni vote for SL, I decided that to get the most out of my vote to vote for SL as well. If I had voted right then for Chibo in the same manner, it wouldn't have gotten such strong reactions, or nearly as many, which would lessen the information gained from doing that.
Fair enough, I'm satisfied with this reasoning. For now I will lay off, in the interest of finding other scum, but you are still one of the possible plays for the day on my list.

Unvote

Alright, there you go:

To add in on that: You are really pushing it with your "OMG, I'm so pro-town, and nothing I do could even be considered anti-town! I'm not the least scummy AT ALL!"
Well guess what, sweetiepie, you are pretty scummy in my eyes.

I find it awkward that I'm being ignored yet again by literally anybody. Does nobody else have something to state on my theory other than adumbrodeus not reading them?
dude, why are you so worried about being ignored? It means you appear pro town, when nobody is taking issues with what you are saying. while its good for you, ur right, it isn't good for town to have anybody ignored, it means they can slip into the shadows and blend in, which we don't want..that's how scum survive. But still, I'm not gonna go around and respond to posts going "Wow, ur so pro town. Amazing!" gonna spend my time responding to scummy posts, and ways to get town to win. Responding to ur posts, which to me have not appeared scummy, just to say "keep up the good work" is not something I'm focused on, and probably the same for others. At least not on day 1. Day 1, ,trying to interact with as many players as possible.

By the way, I can't believe you called Adumbrodeus ur sweety pie. Getting a post restriction out of the way maybe? Haha.

Anyway , I would like more from Chibo.....I was content with you earlier, but seriously man, u said u'd contribute this time. Where's this contribution? Vote: Chibo
Please chime in on the events that have been happening lately. Earlier you complained nobody responded to you, yet you are not really responding to anyone else. if you expect something of others please do the same yourself.
 

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Even if this is a really old post, it still bugs me your proposition of visiting EoT following a poor logic like this, specially from someone who looks specially careful about trying to restrict to facts as much as possible and suggest only intelligent stuff in general



More of the same. Specially notorious is your first two sentences: "If the EoT is a punishment zone, we should visit it now (sometime) instead of bla bla bla..." which bugs me even more: Why should Town ever visit EoT if it's a Punishment Zone, and noting that we can easily avoid it all the time?

Basically this puts you on top of my suspicious list (again)

unvote: .joel
vote: Pierce7d


Also Pierce, when did Omni suggest to visit EoT? Don't remember that post



Interesting theories. A Hero from present actually being a Mafia member? Could be from balance purposes' point of view

I have also addressed the possibilty that in EoT nothing happens. It would mean a wasted day for Town since it's very hard to gather info when nothing occurs, so it isn't contradictory with the "EoT is a punishment Zone for Town" theory
Before I even waste my time responding to this, does anyone else agree that I've already significantly explained my actions extremely thoroughly, multiple times?
 

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Pierce, Edrees.

Post 333 was directed at shadowlink.
I was quoting omni as a means of "you're doing the same thing again".

Shadowlink then said his post was directed at Rajam, not me.
My mistake at not being more specific with that post, that miscommunication cost a lot of confusion last page.

Either way, most of my sights are still on ShadowLink, please re-read that with shadowlink in mind.
 

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To me, Shadowlink has been the most scummy by far. Heavily chasing my Time Travel suggestions with a lot of flavor on top of mine, even as I begun to back off the option was distracting to scum hunt. Not giving solid defenses against accusations, or outright ignoring things. Putting pressure on others to redirect pressure on him, instead of being more concerned with defending himself. And BREATHING flavor. Even if he's not scum, he's dangerous to carry around, cause he doesn't seem to be playing like a townie.

That's why I very, greatly would like to lynch Shadowlink today.
So pretty much the main reason you desire a lynch is because of the flavor talk.
I'll ignore the whole finger pointing because i made my accusations known way before I had to defend myself and brought it up when omni had asked.

As for ignoring things, care to mention them?
I am quite sure you would have brought something up specifically if I had done so.

The fact you wanted to go to a possible punishment zone at all alone leads me to think you to be scum.
You said it yourself, you wanted to go to a possible punishment zone early in the game, as opposed to later.
Why not avoid it entirely?


As for my silence, my DSL crashed TERRIBLY.
I had no connection until this evening.
 

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Anyway , I would like more from Chibo.....I was content with you earlier, but seriously man, u said u'd contribute this time. Where's this contribution? Vote: Chibo
Please chime in on the events that have been happening lately. Earlier you complained nobody responded to you, yet you are not really responding to anyone else. if you expect something of others please do the same yourself.
I take a break for one day and this is what I get? lol
I'll be posting today don't worry.
 

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Soc: 600AD

Whilst I'm okay to go to 600AD purely because of the game's canon, I probably would have preferred if the Pierce/Omni deal went through (Omni picked an alternate because he initially wanted 600AD).
 

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been out all day for my graduation. i'll post up tomorrow morning after i read through what i've missed
 

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Get used to it.
Explain it again.
I never truly understood as to why you wanted to go there outside of wanting to visit every era at least once.
I wanted to visit every era at least once

I wanted to visit every era at least once

I wanted to visit every era at least once

I wanted to visit every era at least once

I wanted to visit every era at least once

Due to the complicated method of voting to get there, I wanted to go to EoT first.

Due to the complicated method of voting to get there, I wanted to go to EoT first.

Due to the complicated method of voting to get there, I wanted to go to EoT first.


Due to the complicated method of voting to get there, I wanted to go to EoT first.

Maybe if I repeat myself a lot more, I won't have to do it yet even more later. By the way, I never even suggested EoT was a punishment zone. That idea was birth from someone else. I just said that since it's requires a tie, instead of a majority, it's easily disrupted travel. By the way, that's what I just said like 3 times.

And some of you taste so bad you must be "Hooked on Flavor." I didn't want to go to EoT BECAUSE it's a punishment zone, it's just that I wanted to go to EVERY ZONE ONCE. The fact that you flavor theorists think it's a punishment zone seemed to me like a reason to visit it EARLIER instead of LATER, if we were going to VISIT EACH AREA ONCE. However I CONSENTED TO THE IDEA OF AVOIDING IT ENTIRELY, EVEN THOUGH I WANTED TO VISIT EVERY AREA ONCE, AND THE IDEA OF IT BEING BAD FOR TOWN IS PURELY FLAVOR, WHILE VISITING EACH AREA ONCE IS JUST A BASE STRATEGY TO COLLECT INFORMATION TO DESTROY LAVOS.

I'd like to remind you that at the beginning of the game, Mafia STARTS with the tools to beat town. Mafia blends in, avoids lynching, kills the right people at night, GGs. TOWN NEEDS INFORMATION TO BEAT MAFIA. WE ARE LIKELY TO GAIN INFORMATION BY VISITING NEW AREAS.

Seriously, if it's not perfectly clear after this, you're stupid, or trolling, and I quit explaining.

Also, here is YET ANOTHER example of Shadowlink pointing a finger at someone else. I pretty much come outta my face saying, "Shadowlink, you are scum." Instead of saying, "No I'm not" And giving strong examples why, he says, "Hmm, Pierce looks scummy, let's focus on that instead." Rajam, the quiet noob, supports this theory, but it seems like MOST OTHER PLAYERS are also pegging Shadowlink. Yet Shadowlink decides that accusing me of scum is more important than clearly explaining how he is not scum. I didn't give an example, because you do it so frequently, that I didn't even NEED to back up what I said, because all the other players suspicious of you ALREADY KNOW your scummy method of operations. You merely need to review ANY POST of yours after someone accuses you of being scummy, and we simply see MORE OF THE SAME. Do you try and refute my claim? NO, YOU SIMPLY TRY TO NEGATE IT BECAUSE I'M TIRED OF POINTING OUT THE OBVIOUS.

To end, I just want to say this. Consider that a MAJOR REASON a lot of you thought EoT was a possible punishment zone, is because of Overswarm's use of the word "Stuck" when he was referring to ending up there. Omni thought this would lock out time travel, however OS CLARIFIED THAT THIS WAS A MISCOMMUNICATION. I would presume ALL of the time zones have possible pros and cons. However, since I'm not scum, I'm going to go along with the majority of town, and NOT try and push EoT against everyone elses wishes, even if I think avoiding it is a bad idea.

PoC: 600 A.D.

Still Voting For Shadowlink
 

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Soc: 600AD

Whilst I'm okay to go to 600AD purely because of the game's canon, I probably would have preferred if the Pierce/Omni deal went through (Omni picked an alternate because he initially wanted 600AD).
It was SOC.
Frankly, I would have preferred a different time era if both 2300 A.D and 600 A.D are out.
That way, there wouldn't be any potential manipulation.
Oh word? I am fine with going through with that, and Omni and Edrees seem to be too. Omni said that he would like to visit the next time period in the story line after 600 A.D.. We can still do this, but I just dropped it, because no one cosigned it except I think Edrees until now, and we needed a majority. I'm totally still down for this.

SOC: Whatever Omni chooses that isn't 600 A.D. or 2300 A.D.. The time that comes after 600 A.D. in the CT Storyline.
 

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Err that would be 2300AD I believe. But I don't know why you are the one telling omni what time period to suggest.
Omni had already stated this, not me. If Omni doesn't clarify this himself in his next post, then I'll fish it out of you. He pretty much said, "I'm down for that, I'll just pick the NEXT time in the storyline."

I don't remember him saying it was 2300 A.D., but I could be mistaken.
 

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pretty sure 600 A.D. is the first time travel hop game wise. they meet Frog and Marle gets mistaken for her ancestor and gets kidnapped
 

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Going from a gamefaq's guide (http://www.gamefaqs.com/snes/563538-chrono-trigger/faqs/17035)

2-A: The Millennial Fair (1000AD)
2-B: The Queen Returns (600AD)
2-D: We're Back! (1000AD)
2-F: Beyond the Ruins (2300AD)
2-H: The End of Time (EOT)
2-I: The Village of Magic (1000AD)
2-J: The Hero Appears (600AD)
2-L: The Rare Red Rock (Prehistoric)
2-O: Magus' Castle (600AD)
2-P: Forward to the Past (Prehistoric)
2-R: The Magic Kingdom (12000BC)

Other things (but i think you've visited every time period by this point; except for 1999 AD itself to fight Lavos unless you CHOSE to)
2-S: Break the Seal!
2-T: The Guru on Mt. Woe
2-U: What Lies Beyond?
2-V: Lavos Beckons
2-W: The New King
2-X: The Time Egg
2-Y: The Fated Hour
2-Z: The Final Battle
 

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Don't need to add any more spice to this game. There's already so much flavor!
 

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Maybe if I repeat myself a lot more, I won't have to do it yet even more later. By the way, I never even suggested EoT was a punishment zone. That idea was birth from someone else. I just said that since it's requires a tie, instead of a majority, it's easily disrupted travel. By the way, that's what I just said like 3 times.
Fair enough my error int hat regard.
Simple curiousity though?
isn't that foolish?
let alone doesn't the requirement sound a bit fishy to you?
Why dd you at all want to go there?

And some of you taste so bad you must be "Hooked on Flavor."
Yes, I admit i used flavor whenit came to Time travel, but only because I do think that it is based on flavo to begin with.

I didn't want to go to EoT BECAUSE it's a punishment zone, it's just that I wanted to go to EVERY ZONE ONCE. The fact that you flavor theorists think it's a punishment zone seemed to me like a reason to visit it EARLIER instead of LATER, if we were going to VISIT EACH AREA ONCE. However I CONSENTED TO THE IDEA OF AVOIDING IT ENTIRELY, EVEN THOUGH I WANTED TO VISIT EVERY AREA ONCE, AND THE IDEA OF IT BEING BAD FOR TOWN IS PURELY FLAVOR, WHILE VISITING EACH AREA ONCE IS JUST A BASE STRATEGY TO COLLECT INFORMATION TO DESTROY LAVOS.
it possibly being a punishment zone has NOTHING to do with flavor.
if it was based on flavor, it would have been thought to be a purely neutral zone.
The issue is the REQUIREMENT since you apparently did not rea my words which was the basis of why I was against EOT.
EOT requireseither a little dissent, or complete and utter agreement by town.
It's the ONLY one that requires such an unusual requirement, thata lone makes it a suspicious time era.


I'd like to remind you that at the beginning of the game, Mafia STARTS with the tools to beat town. Mafia blends in, avoids lynching, kills the right people at night, GGs. TOWN NEEDS INFORMATION TO BEAT MAFIA. WE ARE LIKELY TO GAIN INFORMATION BY VISITING NEW AREAS.
VISITING POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS AREAS IS BAD.
Let alone that even when this was brought up repeatedly, that the REQUIREMENT needed to go to EOT made it suspicious, you ignored it and still wanted to go anyway.


Also, here is YET ANOTHER example of Shadowlink pointing a finger at someone else. I pretty much come outta my face saying, "Shadowlink, you are scum." Instead of saying, "No I'm not" And giving strong examples why, he says, "Hmm, Pierce looks scummy, let's focus on that instead." Rajam, the quiet noob, supports this theory, but it seems like MOST OTHER PLAYERS are also pegging Shadowlink. Yet Shadowlink decides that accusing me of scum is more important than clearly explaining how he is not scum. I didn't give an example, because you do it so frequently, that I didn't even NEED to back up what I said, because all the other players suspicious of you ALREADY KNOW your scummy method of operations. You merely need to review ANY POST of yours after someone accuses you of being scummy, and we simply see MORE OF THE SAME. Do you try and refute my claim? NO, YOU SIMPLY TRY TO NEGATE IT BECAUSE I'M TIRED OF POINTING OUT THE OBVIOUS.
Are you kidding me!?
This is the FIFTH time I am going to repeat myself, (since you are obviously daft) Iw ill do so again.


I was ALREADY considering you scum when you spoke of wanting to go to EOT

Can you read it now?

Let alone that when YOU started accusing me of finger pointing, was AFTER I gave my explanation to Omni as to why I was not scum.
Did you conveniently forget that?Let alone, as I said, there is no possible reason for me to be considered scum
Flavor talk about a flavor based mechanic? That isn't any indication of being a scum at all, otherwise, Adumbrodeus would have flipped scum in the last mafia game. Something I also mentioned before, which you also conveniently forgot.

Do you ignore those on purpose?

Let alone that me saying "I am not scum" doesn't mean anything if I do not back it up as to whyI could not be scum.



To end, I just want to say this. Consider that a MAJOR REASON a lot of you thought EoT was a possible punishment zone, is because of Overswarm's use of the word "Stuck" when he was referring to ending up there. Omni thought this would lock out time travel, however OS CLARIFIED THAT THIS WAS A MISCOMMUNICATION. I would presume ALL of the time zones have possible pros and cons. However, since I'm not scum, I'm going to go along with the majority of town, and NOT try and push EoT against everyone elses wishes, even if I think avoiding it is a bad idea.
Of course every time era has pros and cons.
It would entirely defeat the purpose of there being time era's if they all had the same pros and cons attached to them.
Thank you for restating what we already knew.

Now there was one thing I wished to ask you.
Earlier, you said that if there was anyone who disagreed with unified time zones would certainly be an indication of scum.

Why?




PoC: 600 A.D.

Still Voting For Shadowlink
Go for it.
As I said before, I am not scum so you'd only be doing harm to town not good.
 

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@SL

I'm sorry. My playstyle isn't really, "That sounds a bit fishy, let's completely avoid it!" However, if that's what the majority of town wants to do, I accept this course of action.

Regarding you calling me out as potential scum, that is merely the most recent example. You have still done very similar things with other players throughout the game.

The reason I mentioned every area having pros and cons is because I was reinforcing my belief that it is MERELY SPECULATION that EoT is a particularly bad zone for town. Why are you acting so daft? This should be obvious stuff.

To answer your question, if town agrees to split the vote down the center, so that we can deliberately end up in EoT, and there is a player who deliberately breaks this tie, so we don't end up there, that player is not working with town, obviously.

Even if you're not scum, you're still so much of a flavor based player and so distracting from good scumhunt, that you're still a decent day 1 lynch, EVEN IF you're NOT scum.
 

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@Omni

Can you please tell Shaya that you previously said that if you are to have to choose a time zone that isn't the first story line progression, you wanted to choose the second story line progression?

@Shaya
I was confused at your post, but I reread mine and now I understand.

"If Omni doesn't clarify this himself in his next post, then I'll fish it out of you."

I meant to say

"If Omni doesn't clarify this himself in his next post, then I'll fish it out for you."

meaning that if Omni refuses to clear up this issue, then I'll find the post where he said it, and direct you to it.
 

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@SL

I'm sorry. My playstyle isn't really, "That sounds a bit fishy, let's completely avoid it!" However, if that's what the majority of town wants to do, I accept this course of action.
This again?
Really?
Do tell me what I avoided.
Since either you are willfully ignoring parts of my post just so you can go for a lynch.
Or you're skimming.
Regarding you calling me out as potential scum, that is merely the most recent example. You have still done very similar things with other players throughout the game.
You do know that supports what I said about your whole finger pointing argument being simply shenanigans right?
Since if I have been pestering everyone since the beginning, even before I was questioned by omni and DMG, it would mean I;m not trying to palm it off on someone.

You do know this right?
The reason I mentioned every area having pros and cons is because I was reinforcing my belief that it is MERELY SPECULATION that EoT is a particularly bad zone for town. Why are you acting so daft? This should be obvious stuff.
Except that the specualation in regards to EOT is more supported.
Every other timezone simply requires a majority to go to it.
EOT on the other hand, requires that there is a tie in votes.
Something that would only happen if town, in itself was constantly at conflcit with itself.
If it requires such a thing, this most certainly would be an indication of two possible things.

1. The zone is possibly an area that has absolutely no positives or negatives.
2. Possibly a zone which does benefit independants (neither town nor mafia) and thus would be potentially harmful towards town.

its supportable speculalation, while every other era is unknown.
Which I had said.
Repeatedly.

To answer your question, if town agrees to split the vote down the center, so that we can deliberately end up in EoT, and there is a player who deliberately breaks this tie, so we don't end up there, that player is not working with town, obviously.
Excepthat such logic is faulty in the fact that if town is obviously showing desire to go to EOT or to go to any time period, it only makes it easier for scum to blend in.

Why would scum willingly break a tie if such a thing would be a method of pointing out scum?
In short, if you try to use unity in such a blatant manner, scum is only going to have an easier time hiding.

It was why the inactives were so bad last mafia game.
only a few players were active.
most weren't, and so mafia blended in easily.


Even if you're not scum, you're still so much of a flavor based player and so distracting from good scumhunt, that you're still a decent day 1 lynch, EVEN IF you're NOT scum.
You have made several errors.
For one, I am flavor based?
Thenoyl thing that was even flavor based was time that I had voted for to begin with, and event hen the basis of my reason was the same as yours. We won't know until we get there, and outside of EOT,the requirement to get to every time era is the same, making them unknown as to whether they are beneficial or not beneficial!

I am TOTALLY a flavor based player JUST because of the time vote.

Let alone saying you want a fellow townie lynched on Day 1, the day where the LEAST amount of information is derived, is very stupid.
 

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@Pierce: sure uh, i'll probably just vote to go to w/e was next after 600 AD in the storyline. i think it was 65 billion but i'll look it up and that's where we can go. i'm also holding my time travel vote until the last moment so prevent mafia/anyone from forcing tie so you're going to have to vote before me
I fished it out for you all. This is where Omni said he'll just go to the NEXT place in the storyline. Also, as I remembered, he did not say 2300 A.D.

I just trusted what he said to be the next place in the storyline because no one called him out on it. I didn't play through CT myself, just watched my bro do it.
 

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I fished it out for you all. This is where Omni said he'll just go to the NEXT place in the storyline. Also, as I remembered, he did not say 2300 A.D.

I just trusted what he said to be the next place in the storyline because no one called him out on it. I didn't play through CT myself, just watched my bro do it.
That makes you just as bad as Chibo was when he followed my vote just because of Rajam.

Marle falls through a time portal 1000A.D
Chrono follows her to 600 A.D and rescues.
They return to 1000 A.D where Chrono is arrested. They escape and go to 2300 A.D.
They then go to the End of Time (unintentionally).
 

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@ SL

I'm going to address your post more in detail. I was not skimming, I simply opted not to break down your entire post in my reply to save us from arguing in circles, but I answered your QUESTION in bold to show that I was indeed addressing your post.

I have more to say later, but for now I'm just going to point out that I actually have the least flavor based reasons for my time travel decision.

Some want to travel because they feel it will give them a bonus.
Some don't want to travel to specific places because they feel it's not good for town.
I chose my destination simply with an "Odd one out" method. Presented with a lot of choices, and no clear indication on which was the best to initially approach, I selected the one that required a different approach than all the others, because I wanted to visit each one, and this is the best time to do so (for reasons explained many, many times).

However, a SWARM of flavor resistance came against EoT, because people felt this was a punishment zone. This is partially because Omni misinterpreted the OP, as clarified by OS later, but people still clutch onto the flavor that EoT is bad. That's fine, since it's a majority, and I backed off anyway.

However, I did not use flavor to determine we should go to EoT. I pointed out reasons why we should go even if the flavor based incidence suggested were indeed true, but I used MECHANICS OF THIS GAME, as opposed to FLAVOR of CHRONO TRIGGER to decide where I wanted to go.
 

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That makes you just as bad as Chibo was when he followed my vote just because of Rajam.
. . . .

This is distinctly different, because I came out and said, "Omni, you are NOT getting your initial vote choice. That being said, choose the time zone."

THIS WAY, TOWN HAS A BASIS FOR A TIMEZONE TO AGREE ON, WITHOUT HAVING MAJOR BIAS, SINCE THE PERSON THAT SELECTED IT IS NOT GETTING THEIR INITIAL VOTE. THIS GREATLY REDUCES THE CHANCE OF MAFIA LANDING WHERE THEY WANT TO GO.

Other people suggested that this was an excellent play, and are willing to go along with it. Why is it that YOU find this scummy, when it is clearly a pro-town play?
 

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However, I did not use flavor to determine we should go to EoT. I pointed out reasons why we should go even if the flavor based incidence suggested were indeed true, but I used MECHANICS OF THIS GAME, as opposed to FLAVOR of CHRONO TRIGGER to decide where I wanted to go.
I deleted muc of the stuff beforehand since it was something we already poke about or you had already mentioned.

The issue with the oddman out, is that there is probably good reason for it to be the odd man out.
As I mentioned repeatedly, and yes this was also within my arguments against EOT.
It is because of EOT being so very odd that we should be so very cautious.

Certainly, it may not outright punish or restrict town.
Heck it may be a pro for town to stay here for all we know.

The thing is that EOT would not have such a requirement i there wasn't something that separated it from the others.
Let us suppose that every era is COMPLETELY unique and offers different pros and cons.

EOT requires that whole even number.
So its very possible that we'd have that neutral scenario.
The issue with this is we aren't being favored at all, and because of the advantages that scum has, we need as much information.
So this indirectly hurts us.
Furthermore, because it is neutral (presuming it was), it might benefit neutral parties, the independents.
So that only serves to hurt us even further.

There isn't any harm in avoiding EOT.
 

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. . . .

This is distinctly different, because I came out and said, "Omni, you are NOT getting your initial vote choice. That being said, choose the time zone."

THIS WAY, TOWN HAS A BASIS FOR A TIMEZONE TO AGREE ON, WITHOUT HAVING MAJOR BIAS, SINCE THE PERSON THAT SELECTED IT IS NOT GETTING THEIR INITIAL VOTE. THIS GREATLY REDUCES THE CHANCE OF MAFIA LANDING WHERE THEY WANT TO GO.

Other people suggested that this was an excellent play, and are willing to go along with it. Why is it that YOU find this scummy, when it is clearly a pro-town play?
Wow that is EXTREMELY defensive and you also show yourself has to be really, really forgetful.

If you do not recall, I endorsed the idea, in fact, if you read a page back.
I said that I would have preferred if we go to a different time zone that isn't 600 A.D NOR 2300 A.D. so that it remained unbiased.

In fact, you posted right after I did in AGREEMENT.
It's becoming rather irksome how you're forgetting these things.

Let alone, I never said I found it scummy, why did you think I did?
 

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Scamp, that's high on the list of most useless posts this thread has seen so far. Why so hesitant to contribute NON-Flavor then?
You really shouldn't be talking about useless posts.

Provide some evidence that I'm hesitant to contribute non-flavor. Yeah, that's what I thought. Is it fun to just sling around knee-jerk reaction statements?

Both you and Shadowlink are cluttering up the thread with mostly useless crap. Talking about flavor, arguing over flavor, accusing based on reaction to flavor, and so forth. Then you both double and triple post while doing so...yeah, you see where I'm going with this.


So the way I see this whole time zone thing is this: If I'm mafia and I want to go to a specific time zone, no way am I making it my first choice. We don't know if OS is going to announce effects or not, we don't know what the effects are going to be, and we don't know where other people want to go. Maybe there are roles that can track or watch effects in time zones.

I think in general everyone agrees that we should try to visit all time zones.

Both Edrees and Omni have stated that they want to go to 600 AD. I don't really recall what everyone else has said, but I don't think there has been any negative feelings toward any time zone other than the EoT. So with all that being said, I'll throw in my hat as well toward 600 AD since I honestly don't think any time zone will screw us over, and I also don't think mafia will give a definite opinion if they really want to go somewhere.

I'll even go one step further. If anything bad happens in 600 AD that's clearly caused by the time zone, you can blame me for it.

I really hope we all can just agree on this and stop talking about it.


OVERSWARM can I get an official lynch vote count, time vote count, and the exact deadline please???
 

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I wish someone else was online and that it wasn't 5 in the morning, so they could call you out on your garbage.

This again?
Really?
Do tell me what I avoided.
Since either you are willfully ignoring parts of my post just so you can go for a lynch.
Or you're skimming.

You do know that supports what I said about your whole finger pointing argument being simply shenanigans right?
Since if I have been pestering everyone since the beginning, even before I was questioned by omni and DMG, it would mean I;m not trying to palm it off on someone.

You do know this right?
This entire defense was said in response to me simply stating that I agreed to avoid EoT. Who's skimming now? I wasn't going to address every single inch of your post, preferring to stick to major things, instead of something minor like this, but as you say I'm skimming . . .

Except that the specualation in regards to EOT is more supported.
Every other timezone simply requires a majority to go to it.
EOT on the other hand, requires that there is a tie in votes.
Something that would only happen if town, in itself was constantly at conflcit with itself.
If it requires such a thing, this most certainly would be an indication of two possible things.

1. The zone is possibly an area that has absolutely no positives or negatives.
2. Possibly a zone which does benefit independants (neither town nor mafia) and thus would be potentially harmful towards town.

its supportable speculalation, while every other era is unknown.
Which I had said.
Repeatedly.
*sigh*
I do not mind using a slight bit of flavor regarding time travel, especially while we have such limited information, but the way you treat flavor like the bible of this game of Mafia is foolish. I have not been the only person to call you out on your extreme followings of flavor. Yet, you repeat to me, "I'm using flavor because the system is flavor based," while continuing to ignore moderation, or even acknowledge your OVER-observance of flavor.

Excepthat such logic is faulty in the fact that if town is obviously showing desire to go to EOT or to go to any time period, it only makes it easier for scum to blend in.

Why would scum willingly break a tie if such a thing would be a method of pointing out scum?
In short, if you try to use unity in such a blatant manner, scum is only going to have an easier time hiding.

It was why the inactives were so bad last mafia game.
only a few players were active.
most weren't, and so mafia blended in easily.
Okay, peep this right quick . . .

You asked me this:

Now there was one thing I wished to ask you.
Earlier, you said that if there was anyone who disagreed with unified time zones would certainly be an indication of scum.

Why?
To which I replied this:

To answer your question, if town agrees to split the vote down the center, so that we can deliberately end up in EoT, and there is a player who deliberately breaks this tie, so we don't end up there, that player is not working with town, obviously.
I've said that before, twice actually. Once was generally, and the second time was to Shaya who also must not have read my posts. However, my point is that what I said is a perfectly acceptable answer to your question. Your reply is totally irrelevant to the topic. I'll address it all the same:

Scum can also blend in with bandwagon time travel votes. Also, this is merely the first instnace of voting, and possibly the last time I'll want to go to EoT. However, the point is that the tie breaking vote WOULD show a person who's not town. I never said, "We'll be able to see who's not town because someone absolutely will tie-break." That's silly, and I wasn't expecting someone to tie break. I was just showing how deliberately tying the votes wasn't that bad because if someone were to break them, then we'd know they aren't town. Stupidly simple concept.

You have made several errors.
For one, I am flavor based?
Thenoyl thing that was even flavor based was time that I had voted for to begin with, and event hen the basis of my reason was the same as yours. We won't know until we get there, and outside of EOT,the requirement to get to every time era is the same, making them unknown as to whether they are beneficial or not beneficial!

I am TOTALLY a flavor based player JUST because of the time vote.

Let alone saying you want a fellow townie lynched on Day 1, the day where the LEAST amount of information is derived, is very stupid.
I believe I addressed this already.

It was SOC.
Frankly, I would have preferred a different time era if both 2300 A.D and 600 A.D are out.
That way, there wouldn't be any potential manipulation.
This is not the same thing as saying you approve of the method which I chose to obtain the vote that we would agree on. It was also what I perceived you to be calling me out on in this post:

That makes you just as bad as Chibo was when he followed my vote just because of Rajam.
Which clearly shows you disapprove of the methods I used, so why are you calling me out on being overly defensive after making such an attack on me, and I defended myself?
 

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I'm up for 600 AD, though if we wanna go to somewhere else but 600 and 2300 AD, I'd suggest staying in the present.
 

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Also Omni why did you suggest we come to a close with our lynch votes soon? We have until Wednesday. Best to get as much information as possible before we move on so we can draw more conclusions from the result of the lynch and anything that happens during Night 1, yes?
waiting until the very last second until starting a lynch process on a player isn't always the best idea. if said player, for example, makes a doc/protection claim with a character that fits the script without receiving any counterclaims it would not be wise to continue forth with that person's lynch.

the point of applying pressure and pushing a person to L-2 or L-1 (two or one votes before lynched) is to get info out of them. if they seem to be the most likely candidate then it will be obvious that they should claim before judgment is officially passed.

with that said, i think we need to push for a specific person's lynch soon rather than later just in case their name/roleclaim becomes somewhat problematic.

I am cool with skipping 600 A.D. and going to the next timeline that ISN'T EoT thus I'll choose 65 Billion (Prehistoric) for the end of this round. This will be my vote for the end of this Day.

OVERSWARM/MARC, a votecount would be nice. A nice one every 40 pages at the top of the page like most games do would be extremely helpful.

my choices are still between rajam, shadowlink, and chibo.
i like pierce.
i dont think i like shaya.
i kinda like adam.
scamp is neutral.
i dont think i like dmg.
edrees is neutral.
i dont think i like .joel.

if i had to push someone to L-1 asap i think that person would be ShadowLink and im pretty sure i have a vote on him currently. we'll see by the next vote count.
 
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