Characters who should had made the cut?

[RetrogamerMax]

It saddens me that people never talk about the only character that should've made the cut

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Cutman obviously!!!!

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....I'll see myself out.

It saddens me that nobody ever talks about Goemon or any of the remaining Forbidden 7 besides Dixie Kong like Tetra/Toon Zelda and Plusle & Minun.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Tetra/Toon Zelda and Plusle & Minun.

I believe it's the fear of having another clone among the Zelda characters, and people who want more Pokemon seem to want "fully evolved humanoid" to be the new "handsome swordsman with a counter"

 

[Mushroomguy12]

It saddens me that nobody ever talks about Goemon or any of the remaining Forbidden 7 besides Dixie Kong like Tetra/Toon Zelda and Plusle & Minun.

Well, I would genuinely like to see Tetra/Toon Zelda at least, especially because of Wind Waker HD, I thought they had a chance of being an echo/clone character.


I think there’s enough Pokemon as is though, and others that are more relevant to the series. They don’t seem to like picking anything other than Final Evolution Starter Pokemon these days for some reason.

 

[PhantomShab]

Like half of the assist trophies.

 

[Guynamednelson]

They don’t seem to like picking nonstarter Final Evolution Pokemon these days for some reason.

Sakurai didn't have enough time to make one of the actual mascots of Gen 7 playable. At least, that's what I want to think.

Also, when people still want Geno, Waluigi, and the "Smash is all FE now" meme to be real, I wish people would be more open to the idea of more Pokemon.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Like half of the assist trophies.

You and me both. It sucks that Krystal and Skull Kid are Assist Trophies because they're really awesome characters that I would love to see get in the roster.

Sakurai didn't have enough time to make one of the actual mascots of Gen 7 playable. At least, that's what I want to think.

Also, when people still want Geno, Waluigi, and the "Smash is all FE now" meme to be real, I wish people would be more open to the idea of more Pokemon.

Mario and Pokemon are really the only franchises that deserve to have as many reps as possible or at least the most reps. I already got my favorite Pokemon in Smash a long time ago which is Mewtwo. But I would love to see Deoxys or any other Gen 3 Pokemon get in as well as any Ghost type Pokemon.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Sakurai didn't have enough time to make one of the actual mascots of Gen 7 playable. At least, that's what I want to think.

Also, when people still want Geno, Waluigi, and the "Smash is all FE now" meme to be real, I wish people would be more open to the idea of more Pokemon.

TBH, I only said that because Pokemon has already had a net gain of 4 characters from Sm4sh to Ultimate, whereas even Mario has only had two (I don't think Mario needs anymore barring Geno or Waluigi either), and even with those two characters it would still only have same amount as Pokemon's current net gain in terms of characters. It's obvious that Pokemon will get a newcomer if there's another game, it's pretty much one of the only series that's guaranteed a newcomer every game, so I don't think it's in as dire need of newcomers compared to Zelda, DK, or Kirby.

 

[Guynamednelson]

TBH, I only said that because Pokemon has already had a net gain of 4 characters from Sm4sh to Ultimate, whereas even Mario has only had two (I don't think Mario needs anymore barring Geno or Waluigi either), and even with those two characters it would still only have Pokemon current net gain in terms of characters. It's obvious that Pokemon will get a newcomer if there's another game, it's pretty much one of the only series that's guaranteed a newcomer every game, so I don't think it's in as dire need of newcomers compared to Zelda, DK, or Kirby.

At the same time, due to Eevee's massive popularity, I think it's just as needed as the likes of Dixie or Bandana Dee, and I don't think Incineroar is proper representation of the latest gen, when it was already divisive when it was leaked for SM and marketing didn't really focus on any fully evolved starter.

 

[FNUStory]

It saddens me that nobody ever talks about Goemon or any of the remaining Forbidden 7 besides Dixie Kong like Tetra/Toon Zelda and Plusle & Minun.

I want Plusle and Minum in. I do think they would make a great addition in diversifying the Pokémon roster representing a generation that isn't the first one for a change. Also, the idea of a duo fighter that isn't Ice Climbers would be nice.

 

[Door Key Pig]

Pretty sure Sakurai went with Incineroar cause he wanted to make a pro wrestling character, after leaving a slot open for a 7th Gen Pokemon in the project plan.

Well, I would genuinely like to see Tetra/Toon Zelda at least, especially because of Wind Waker HD, I thought they had a chance of being an echo/clone character.


I think there’s enough Pokemon as is though, and others that are more relevant to the series. They don’t seem to like picking anything other than Final Evolution Starter Pokemon these days for some reason.

Well Isabelle couldn't be an echo of Villager cause of like proportions/personality, so I imagine maybe they couldn't make a Toon Zelda/Sheik echo for Zelda and Sheik.

 

[Deleted member]

Bomberman is my immediate answer, but if it was to put Castlevania in Smash, I understand.

 

[Guynamednelson]

personality

I don't even know why he even brought that up. Most echoes have different personalities from the fighters they're echoing already.

 

[jamesster445]

Dixie Kong, easily.

And considering the number of FE characters we ended up getting, I'm disappointed we never got an Advanced Wars character like Andy.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Dixie Kong, easily.

And considering the number of FE characters we ended up getting, I'm disappointed we never got an Advanced Wars character like Andy.

Honestly my dream would be to have Andy, Sami, and Max all in one character like the Pokemon Trainer. Considering Fire Emblem gets 7, I don't think that would be too much.

Well Isabelle couldn't be an echo of Villager cause of like proportions/personality, so I imagine maybe they couldn't make a Toon Zelda/Sheik echo for Zelda and Sheik.

A semiclone would be fine. I'd imagine it still would take relatively less work than a completely new character. It wouldn't even be a Lucas or Wolf semiclone, it'd probably be someone like Dr. Mario, Pichu, Young Link, and Toon Link (duh), that barely scrapes the threshold for not being an echo.
Although if they were to use Tetra I'd imagine only Toon Zelda would be the cloney one. So it'd be a semi semi clone?

 

[Juliusaurus]

Dixie Kong, most definitely. But seeing as they added the most requested DK series newcomer, K. Rool, I can understand them holding back on Dixie... She still should've been in though.

And also, Spring Man. I was very shocked to see him make it in only as an Assist Trophy. Being the star of the biggest new first party EPD franchise, you'd think he'd be in. Like Splatoon, Animal Crossing, and Pikmin before it, ARMS is the perfect candidate for Smash newcomer. Would've been a fun unique moveset too, the only long range grappler.

 

[volbound1700]

Rayman (Had Trophy in Smash 4, Ubisoft has supported Nintendo lately, great moveset potential)

Dixie Kong

Shadow

Skull Kid

Isaac

 

[3DSNinja]

Shadow
Shovel Knight
Bomberman
Zero

 

[Tokyo Cloud]

Isaac, Lyn, Alucard, and Ghirahim are the only four AT's I wanted to see playable in Ultimate tbh, otherwise I have a lot of other characters I want to see in (that I know most likely won't).

 

[_Sheik]

Shadow and Isaac would have been the best choices due to their sheer popularity and the fact that they belong to companies Sakurai couldn't possibly have trouble negociating with.

 

[Starblax]

Isaac for sure that poor *******'s been way overdue

 

[Door Key Pig]

I imagine maybe Arms might have been too new and untested a franchise to commit to immortalising in Smash Bros at least for the earliest planned DLC. Didn't Splatoon get really popular and successful in Sm4sh's time but still just got a Mii costume for representation or something?

 

[Mushroomguy12]

I imagine maybe Arms might have been too new and untested a franchise to commit to immortalising in Smash Bros at least for the earliest planned DLC. Didn't Splatoon get really popular and successful in Sm4sh's time but still just got a Mii costume for representation or something?

I mean Splatoon wasn't released until 6 months after Smash 4's initial release, but ARMS was released 18 months before Ultimate's release. It was mainly because the initial roster was finalized at the start of development, but they could've easily chosen them for DLC. We didn't even know Corrin existed at Smash 4's launch.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Please do not double post. Edit your messages instead.

 

[Judd]

I'm gonna say Tom Nook here. I don't see any appeal in playing Villager because of his plain design. Isabelle is a shooting-star, but Tom Nook has been the mascot of the franchise for a much longer time than her.
I really think a Echo Fighter appearance is more than deserved for this Nintendo All Star.

I already have up hope though. Animal Crossing won't get another Rep unless they give us free Echo Fighters.

I also feel like Sakurai likes K. K more than Tom Nook. He was the one that got a Mii costume in Smash 4 while Nook was ignored for no reason. Smash 6 will be Nook's last chance

 

[Door Key Pig]

I mean Splatoon wasn't released until 6 months after Smash 4's initial release, but ARMS was released 18 months before Ultimate's release. It was mainly because the initial roster was finalized at the start of development, but they could've easily chosen them for DLC. We didn't even know Corrin existed at Smash 4's launch.

Corrin was part of an existing, successful franchise tho. Tbf, is Arms successful and popular enough with the one game it has to its name?

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Corrin was part of an existing, successful franchise tho. Tbf, is Arms successful and popular enough with the one game it has to its name?

From Wikipedia:
By July 2018, the game had sold over two million copies worldwide, making it one of the best-selling games on the Switch.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Like half of the assist trophies.

Not half of them, but there's indeed quite a few characters there who would be worthy additions.

Lyn for example, is easily the most popular Fire Emblem character not yet playable. Only Ike has her beat in popularity.

Isaac is a very obvious choice I won't even need to defend. Just check his moves as a Assist Trophy, and imagine Earth element based powers amongst this, coupled with a potential Djinn system and the fact he is also a potent swordsman. Was upset he wasn't made playable.

Krystal has been a fan favorite for a long time, yet she's not appearing in modern Star Fox games so that would make things difficult.

Waluigi has the popularity, but would require to have a original moveset and I doubt that's considered to be worth the effort, as he doesn't have a potential unique gimmick or anything else interessting that he could utalise. So am doubtful of him still, unless he becomes a sort of crazy Luigi semi-clone of ... Luigi? Am not seeing it untill it happens.

Black Knight is also a favorite of mine, and would be happy to see him playable. Don't see it happening unless the Tellius games of Fire Emblem get a remake (which they should really consider anyway).

Also there's Skull Kid, and was also upset he wasn't made playable.

Outside of that, Dixie Kong had no reasons to be excluded, and Monster Hunter is kinda weirdly absent because of Rathalos. Outside of that, I wanted Impa real badly as well.

 

[volbound1700]

For Fire Emblem, I wish they would do another weapon user (Axe, Spear, Thief, Laguz, or Archer class). Even a pure Mage class would be great. Robin represented the mage class but they still stuck him with a sword.

 

[Demarlion]

So....no Starfy supporters, huh? Well then.

Honestly, Starfy should've been in since BRAWL. He has many possibilities for moves, like you can make like three different movesets for him. Like, one could be made of his average skills, another could involve his Spill abilities and Vehicles from Starfy 4, or even his transformations in Starfy 5. If Sakurai loved his Echos, Starfy could've have Starly with him. Seriously, his series was alive and running during Brawl's development, but he was cucked and just an Assist Trophy, and his chance get bleaker which pisses me off (I had to resist screaming in anger when seeing Starfy as an Assist Trophy at E3 for Ultimate). And he's the weakest Assist, which is practically a slap to the face to Starfy fans.

At least he has six spirits, the 2nd most out of all the "Other" spirits in the game, only being upstaged by Golden Sun.

 

[Arcadenik]

Meowth / Team Rocket (Meowth, Ekans, Koffing)
Toad / Captain Toad and Toadette (Echo)
Dixie Kong
Wandering Heroes (StreetPass Mii Plaza: Find Mii I & II)

 

[Pikmin-ism42]

I think roster representation feels actually pretty complete already to me. Really, I only feel like a Rhythm Heaven rep is needed to truly complete it, everyone else would be nice/worthwhile additions after that for me personally.

Drop characters who canonically lack combat skills.

Oof. I'm heavily against the idea of dropping characters in general, but I can kind of understand why some people would want to trim the fat. This however, I don't get at all. Characters like Villager, R.O.B., Wii Fit Trainer, Captain Falcon, Duck Hunt are amazing additions to the roster, and parts of what makes 'em so great is seeing how Smash Bros. manages to represent their non-violent games/character designs into a new fighting style. Some of these characters are also pretty iconic figures in Nintendo history, so I don't see why we should omit them just because they don't actually fight folk in their own games.
It also doesn't make sense to constrain yourself too much to canon, especially if it makes the game less fun. It's also why we had people utterly convinced Ridley was an impossibility, and other garbage opinions like that.

Apologies for the ramble.

 

[Crystanium]

I think roster representation feels actually pretty complete already to me. Really, I only feel like a Rhythm Heaven rep is needed to truly complete it, everyone else would be nice/worthwhile additions after that for me personally.


Oof. I'm heavily against the idea of dropping characters in general, but I can kind of understand why some people would want to trim the fat. This however, I don't get at all. Characters like Villager, R.O.B., Wii Fit Trainer, Captain Falcon, Duck Hunt are amazing additions to the roster, and parts of what makes 'em so great is seeing how Smash Bros. manages to represent their non-violent games/character designs into a new fighting style. Some of these characters are also pretty iconic figures in Nintendo history, so I don't see why we should omit them just because they don't actually fight folk in their own games.
It also doesn't make sense to constrain yourself too much to canon, especially if it makes the game less fun. It's also why we had people utterly convinced Ridley was an impossibility, and other garbage opinions like that.

Apologies for the ramble.

No apologies needed. Captain Falcon is actually a bounty hunter, so I'd suspect he at least has a bit of fighting experience under his belt. R.O.B. is worth keeping because it actually contributed in keeping video games going in spite of the 1983 video game crash. Wii Fit Trainer has more numbers in selling than most characters throughout the SSB roster, but this seems mainly due to selling the Wii Sports along with the consoles, rather than selling them on their own. My opinions are always varying, so there's currently no method to which I can hold consistently, except maybe the protagonist-antagonist concept I have going on.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

No apologies needed. Captain Falcon is actually a bounty hunter, so I'd suspect he at least has a bit of fighting experience under his belt. R.O.B. is worth keeping because it actually contributed in keeping video games going in spite of the 1983 video game crash. Wii Fit Trainer has more numbers in selling than most characters throughout the SSB roster, but this seems mainly due to selling the Wii Sports along with the consoles, rather than selling them on their own. My opinions are always varying, so there's currently no method to which I can hold consistently, except maybe the protagonist-antagonist concept I have going on.

Wii Fit Trainer has nothing to do with Wii Sports in itself. They're entirely different games, and though in the "Wii series" of games, the sales of the Wii itself at best only were related to Wii Sports, which got heavily sold with it. Sometimes with Link's Crossbow Training too. So only those two games have somewhat skewed sales, if you're trying to gauge full popularity. Wii Fit, on the other hand, was a much bigger seller than people tend to realize. Though to be fair, sales alone weren't everything, as having a unique character was part of why she's in. Or basically somewhat of a "never see 'em coming" character. If the game didn't sell that well, it might've affected her chances of getting in. My guess is he would've picked another off the wall option that had immense sales.

 

[UserKev]

Truthfully, Skull Kid. Dixie Kong, I won't dab too much into due to fact that K. Rool is an incredible exchange, she's next. Skull Kid's hype peaked this speculation scene and he's a legitimate veteran request. This is why I greatly dislike the "Everyone is here" concept.

I'm honestly still salty that Mimikyu was a victim of circumstance, so close with the merit it used to have. Mimikyu, he's the face of gen 7, could have introduced a new type mechanic and his move set potential is exciting. Had Incineroar just been introduced prior, Mimikyu would have been absolute.

 

[Door Key Pig]

I do remember Skull Kid happened to win this fan Smash 4 poll years ago (the one with the aspect of "let us Western fans do the character poll this time!"; this being before Smash Ballot was a thing and before Skull Kid was revealed as an assist trophy).

 

[Deleted member]

Bandana Dee
Captain Toad
Isaac
Zero

 

[Luigifan18]

Truthfully, Skull Kid. Dixie Kong, I won't dab too much into due to fact that K. Rool is an incredible exchange, she's next. Skull Kid's hype peaked this speculation scene and he's a legitimate veteran request. This is why I greatly dislike the "Everyone is here" concept.

I'm honestly still salty that Mimikyu was a victim of circumstance, so close with the merit it used to have. Mimikyu, he's the face of gen 7, could have introduced a new type mechanic and his move set potential is exciting. Had Incineroar just been introduced prior, Mimikyu would have been absolute.

You seem to have forgotten that Decidueye was the runner-up to Incineroar.

 

[UserKev]

You seem to have forgotten that Decidueye was the runner-up to Incineroar.

Decidueye was a different case that it actually lacked merit. It just got lucky based on design alone.

 

[OnyanRings]

Pretty much all of the assist trophies really. (I can't believe the moon from majora's mask is not playable... What where they thinking ?)

Toon Zelda & Tetra would've been awesome too :T

 

[Nutty Sponge]

An indie game rep please.