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HiddenBowser

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lol wombo combo is too good.

My teams partner and I were practicing the other day. He's a Snake and I play MK in teams. We were down to 1 opponent. I got him to the ledge and dthrowed him and my opponent fair spiked. 'Twas very awesome.

No replay though :(
 

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Snake plant a C4 on Sonic. Sonic dthrow into Snakes ftilt into an uair from Sonic with a C4 transfer to Snake blowing up the C4. TOTALLY epic. Not at ALL practical though.
 

HiddenBowser

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1 person combos can be pretty elaborate and intense, but an intense 2 person combo is near impossible to create ahead of time and replicate in the heat of the match =)

Hey Tony! :) lol
 

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Bowyer is sick...

would have been better if it was jigglypuff though



nah, i dont really care that you switched, i just like bessing with you
 

HiddenBowser

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Bowyer is sick...

would have been better if it was jigglypuff though



nah, i dont really care that you switched, i just like bessing with you
haha, sweet, and with the some of the new jiggs discoveries, jiggs may be more tourney viable than previously expected so I may be picking her back up to a certain degree.
 

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The reason I think sonic is bad is because the more I play against him, the easier the matchup becomes. However, when I play against many low tier characters, it doesn't get that much easier because they can also adapt to what I am doing because they have multiple tools for adapting. I feel Sonic's playstyle is completely based on the opponent not understanding what move you are using, or neglecting to play defensive and space their highest priority move. I simply just don't see him having many options, that's all.

I definitely don't think he is garbage and I think he can be used smartly to do well in tournaments, but I think when all is said and done his character's lack of options will not allow him for growth, where even characters like Pokemon Trainer and Link will have the options to grow out of their funk and improve rather than get worse. I'm thinking 2-3 years down the line when I think of where someone belongs on the tier list, and I think that the vast majority of characters in this game cannot lose to Sonic if they fully understand the matchup due to a lack of options and tools for Sonic. I give you this from a pretty well travelled and experienced opinion. I can honestly say I've played someone good in tournament for every character in the entire game, and I have a pretty good feel at how well each character can really be played.

I'm not trying to attack sonic, I'm just showing you guys that the reason many of us think he is bad is not because we have a vendetta or because we are ignoring tournament results, i'm just trying to explain why we rate him low despite his decent tournament performance. When I rate him low it's not so much of an attack on him as much as I'm saying that the rest of the characters you guys think Sonic is better than are actually much better than you give them credit for.
 

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is not because we have a vendetta
Umbreon said:
... and then ~5 people shut down the idea in that no one from the Sonic Boards should ever make SBR/Mod status.
I find that hard to believe. and what the hell sort of excuse is 'not knowing what move they are using' NO ONE thinks a nair = dash attack = spincharge. i mean seriously... how could anyone ever mix up any of his attacks. the only ones that might fool you are charging a dsmash/spincharge and only people completely new to brawl cant tell the difference

the rest of the characters you guys think Sonic is better than are actually much better than you give them credit for.
But how do we give them credit? I mean seriously, give me a way that the other low tier characters can PROVE they are better than Sonic. because real life tournaments dont seem to be working. Can you honestly say the reason other mid/low tier characters not performing well at tournaments is because they are not popular, instead of maybe they not being such good characters after all? If they were able to place high/win tournaments, why dont they? I honestly think Ness is quite good and better than most of mid tier but with not many people using him at tourneys at all, what have we got left to work with? moveset potential isnt worth anything (look at TL, his moveset potential looks top-tierish but that doesnt work in practice).
 

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Why think, we Sonic mainers KNOW he is bad. Yes you're right, Sonic's moveset works on adapting to the opponent. I can't see why you think we don't have options, but that's understandable since nobody really wants to take the time to fully analyze Sonic... even some of the Sonic mainers don't want to fully encorperate EVERY option there is to his game. It's costs us an arm and a leg to do somethings, and we get very little reward out of it usually.

He is close to being garbage, yet he still can be used well in tourneys. Again Sonic does have a lot of options, but I guess I should also say that his opponents usually just null them out. Sonic is a character who will test your character's barebone stats... usually they are better characters than Sonic, hence his lack of good matchups that are in his favor or even even at the very least. Tell me who have you played that is a dedicated Sonic player... as in dedicated that they won't switch out mains against you and still try to win... not too many of them, eh Edreese? I'll wait for your response though.

Some people actually do have a vendetta against Sonic, it's okay though, you don't have to explain yourself when you want to debate about what you think is right. And have you seen how we do our matchups? @#$%, I would kill to be able to have the luxury of getting Sonic to have more than 7 matchups that are in his favor. Sonic sucks so bad, that he loses even a little bit against most characters. We don't underate our opponents, we can't! If we do we will get as much destroyed as anybody underestimating Sonic would. You also have to learn the matchup from an unbiased point of view, have we told you about how our matchups are character/player dependent yet? That means we have to know what our opponent is capable of to stand a chance of winning, no questions asked.
 

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Why think, we Sonic mainers KNOW he is bad. Yes you're right, Sonic's moveset works on adapting to the opponent. I can't see why you think we don't have options, but that's understandable since nobody really wants to take the time to fully analyze Sonic... even some of the Sonic mainers don't want to fully encorperate EVERY option there is to his game. It's costs us an arm and a leg to do somethings, and we get very little reward out of it usually.

He is close to being garbage, yet he still can be used well in tourneys. Again Sonic does have a lot of options, but I guess I should also say that his opponents usually just null them out. Sonic is a character who will test your character's barebone stats... usually they are better characters than Sonic, hence his lack of good matchups that are in his favor or even even at the very least. Tell me who have you played that is a dedicated Sonic player... as in dedicated that they won't switch out mains against you and still try to win... not too many of them, eh Edreese? I'll wait for your response though.

Some people actually do have a vendetta against Sonic, it's okay though, you don't have to explain yourself when you want to debate about what you think is right. And have you seen how we do our matchups? @#$%, I would kill to be able to have the luxury of getting Sonic to have more than 7 matchups that are in his favor. Sonic sucks so bad, that he loses even a little bit against most characters. We don't underate our opponents, we can't! If we do we will get as much destroyed as anybody underestimating Sonic would. You also have to learn the matchup from an unbiased point of view, have we told you about how our matchups are character/player dependent yet? That means we have to know what our opponent is capable of to stand a chance of winning, no questions asked.
I feel kinda sad. But it's incredibly strange how such... a bad character in many people opinion does so well! Bad or not, those results show something.
 

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I contridict myself so much, don't I?

It's weird, but It Doen't Matter (who is wrong or who is right~!), I will stick with Sonic like every other person has their reasons to play the game (no you did not lose).
 

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that just shows that edrees doesnt think characters are crap, he thinks the majority of players are crap, since they cant tell the difference between sonics moves.

who still gets confused by that?

i mean seriously?

and for the record sonic has more options in more situations, that almost every character in the game, just because most of his options are meh, doesnt mean they arent there.

and the way people talk about PT, its like people are going to be johning for him for the rest of eternity...

brawl is not a hard game, just about everyone that plays this game competitively plays at least 3 characters. at this point PT is just a bad character and people need to stop making these "its hard to play 3 characters" excuses.

hes not terrible, and he has a lot of positives, but at this point, the magical messiah that PTs are waiting for that will use all 3 monsters to **** people is not coming
 

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I dunno, I can see where they are coming from, PT has a flawed system, and the pokeymanz compared to some other characters suck (except Charizard... and maybe Squirtle, there is no hope for Ivysaur though). Now you gotta understand though, each pokeymanz have their own styles, and they contridict like cooking oil and water. Then again I play Sonic & Ike... And then sometimes the Pokeymanz compliment themselves in certain matchups...hmm...

...Is the switching/stamina thing the only thing that is keeping PT that low...?
 

da K.I.D.

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i think they think that its because nobody nationally known plays PT
but dont quote me on that.

but if thats true, ill say 2 things.
1. sonic doesnt have any nation players playing him either.
2. reflex plays PT

and about popularity, a couple days ago either on this thread or the tier list thread, I posted a list of sonic mainers that get tourney results.

I was told that every other character in low and mid tier, has just as many tourney level players playing them as well, yet sonic is leagues above them in tourney rankings.

i think that renders the "sonic is popular" point moot
 

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Eh, well how many Ivysaur specialists are there compared to Squirtle specialists?

You know what, forget I said that, I don't want to bring opinions into this thread.
 

Zephramrill

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Ok boys I threw some steak into your character boards, go home now.

Sorry but can this please stay on topic?

Ankoku I made a mistake in the tourney post I made, it is on page 329, the information is now correct, one of the 7th place guys i inputted was incorrect
 

HiddenBowser

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Ok boys I threw some steak into your character boards, go home now.
was that really necessary?

WTF is your problem, you guys sonic rushed the thread for like 8 pages with crap no one wants to hear about.
what's your problem? they've stayed on topic and haven't been spamming. I noticed that you and some other people don't want to hear it (I'm not talking about everyone... tony, if you think I'm talking to you then I'm gonna flip a nut XD), but if you look at it, the only reason there's a problem is because people are just shutting them out and dismissing them as piece of **** scrubs. As long as people shut them out, they're going to attempt to be heard, so common, show a little respect, listen to what they have to say, discuss it, and then lets all move on to something else.
 

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Bowyer's pretty cool.

By SBR I think Kid is refering to the SBR, lol.
 

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no, im talking about the official SBR, you know those guys that brickwall sonic with down tilt and have the unpatched brawl where his dash attack doesnt pick up items...

our sbr doesnt bag on sonic....

your weird...
 

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I still can't pick up bananas.

You're ugly...

:093:
 

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Steeler has shown me what it is like when a Pokemon Trainer doesnt have Fatigue dragging the pokemon down...it's the most ****ing annoying thing. I keep expecting Charizard to stop ****** me with Rock Smash. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsEJbFE-0Qk&feature=channel_page
Nice vids. Anybody know if the PT codes are actually being considered for competitive play? I know it's extremely hard to regulate and we don't want to change the game to balance characters, but it is an interesting thought.
 
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