Character Exploration Thread - Day 79: Axel Stone (Streets of Rage)

Gengar84 · Jun 30, 2021

What would you guys like to see for bosses or assist trophies? I assume Sans and Papyrus would make the most sense got assists but I don’t really know any other characters or bosses.

GolisoPower · Jun 30, 2021

I'd say Metaton could be a good Assist Trophy. His summoning could give every fighter a Ratings meter for all fighters. While he's summoned, he could directly attack enemies that have lower Ratings, but Fighters can boost their ratings by using flashy attacks and perhaps even taunting, too.

Paraster · Jun 30, 2021

Gengar84 said:
What would you guys like to see for bosses or assist trophies? I assume Sans and Papyrus would make the most sense got assists but I don’t really know any other characters or bosses.

Seconding Mettaton.

Also, I think Undyne could be a good one. She fights with her spears, and will just despawn eventually if left alone. If someone manages to KO her, though...they'd better be ready for some undying rage.

Asriel would, I think, be the best boss, though the character is very spoilery.

SharkLord · Jul 1, 2021

Alright

ahemtoday , let's move over before I forget

ahemtoday · Jul 1, 2021

NOMs, too, is an acronym. It stands for Nightmare on Me. Every time you earn a nom, it gives me another sleepless night. Truly, such a thing is evil.

Seriously, though: "Execution Points" and "Level of Violence" are the goofiest things ever.

Rie Sonomura x5 (10 Total)
Technomage x10 (15 Total)
Paraster x20 (25 Total)
GolisoPower x25 (30 Total)
Eldrake x10 (15 Total)
ZelDan x15 (20 Total)
Gengar84 x10 (15 Total)
amageish x10 (15 Total)
Commander_Alph x5 (10 Total)
SharkLord x5 (10 Total)

Rie Sonomura · Jul 1, 2021

Let me spend my noms in advance

Octoling x5
Ori x5

Technomage · Jul 1, 2021

15 noms on Chun-Li.

Gengar84 · Jul 1, 2021

I’ll put all mine (15x) towards the Astral Chain rep.

GolisoPower · Jul 1, 2021

Noms:
15x Warframe rep
15x Officer Howard

Paraster · Jul 1, 2021

Noms: Hat Kid x10, Heavy x15

I'll make a Wilfre thread myself eventually.

Eldrake · Jul 1, 2021

Putting my 15 noms on Gordon Freeman.

ZelDan · Jul 1, 2021

x5 Bill/Lance
x5 Isaac (Golden Sun)
x10 Shovel Knight

Perkilator · Jul 1, 2021

Noms:
Sir Arthur x5

Technomage · Jul 1, 2021

Since Lu Bu is based on a real-life historical figure, would that prohibit him from getting into Smash? Or is his situation similar to Dracula's?

GolisoPower · Jul 1, 2021

Lu Bu is a very, VERY interesting case, more so than Dracula. Unlike the aforementioned vampire lord, Lu Bu was not based on a book character, but an actual historical figure. Now the only Warriors games I've ever played were Hyrule Warriors and Age of Calamity (Though I guess they kinda don't count. Probably.), so I can kind of understand how the gameplay of Dynasty Warriors works. As for his moveset, Lu Bu is very unique in the sense that he's a polearm user, which we technically already have with Byleth, but in comparison, the halberd is much more involved. Maybe as a bonus detail, Lu Bu could be able to attack his own teammate in Team Battles, due to his habit of betraying everyone. This dude's basically the Akuma of Dynasty Warriors from my understanding, and it would be really interesting to see how the Dynasty Warriors gameplay can transition into Smash.

Either way, interpretations of historical characters would be sort of big for Smash. At least, the pre-modern historical figures, since another game with an abundance of historical figures, F/GO, probably won't make their own interpretations of Walt Disney or Bill Gates.

chocolatejr9 · Jul 1, 2021

Technomage said:
Since Lu Bu is based on a real-life historical figure, would that prohibit him from getting into Smash? Or is his situation similar to Dracula's?

He's a fictionalised version of a fictionalised version of a fictionalised version of a real person who may or may not exist.

My head hurts just thinking about it...

Gengar84 · Jul 1, 2021

Technomage said:
Since Lu Bu is based on a real-life historical figure, would that prohibit him from getting into Smash? Or is his situation similar to Dracula's?

That’s a really tough question but one that needs to be asked. Personally, I’m totally fine with Lu Bu in Smash. His character in Dynasty Warriors is so divorced from who he was in real life that he almost counts as an original character. As chocolatejr9 alluded to, Dynasty Warriors is loosely based on the Romance of the Three Kingdoms novels, which were themselves fictionalized versions of ancient Chinese history.

amageish · Jul 1, 2021

I think Dynasty Warriors is actually based on the Records of the Three Kingdoms - the history - and the English version just pretends it is based on the more famous Romance of the Three Kingdoms for the sake of marketing? Which is very confusing and weird...

Technomage said:
Since Lu Bu is based on a real-life historical figure, would that prohibit him from getting into Smash? Or is his situation similar to Dracula's?

Personally, I have 0 concern about video game versions of characters who are not originally from video games getting into Smash. Sakurai is a human being; he can decide that Lu Bu counts as a video game character without also adding Spongebob.

Not to mention that we already have plenty of spirits and costumes and even characters loosely inspired by public domain figures. Goku & Chao are spirits, as is Henry Fleming. Goemon is a Mii Costume. Then we have... everything in Kid Icarus being off-brand versions of Greek mythology, down to the autocorrected version of Pallas Athena as its main goddess. We're doing fine.

Flyboy · Jul 1, 2021

Lu Bu and Dynasty Warriors in general feels like Dracula from Castlevania - loosely based on a public domain book but has enough divergent evolution to feel like their own character. I think Lu Bu is a pretty interesting choice, too, because I can say he's definitely (as someone who has never played a game in the series) the most iconic character that everyone talks about. I wonder how you would put Dynasty Warriors mechanics in Smash? I feel like the ability to take down armies would be pretty important for game feel, no? Perhaps some kind of mechanic like ROB's beam or Aura, where you perform actions to eventually build to a screen-clearing special? I'm not sure.

Also, hi! I'm not actually entirely sure how this thread works. Do I get to nominate Ichiban Kasuga? I want to nominate Ichiban Kasuga.

Ichiban x5

SharkLord · Jul 1, 2021

Flyboy said:
Lu Bu and Dynasty Warriors in general feels like Dracula from Castlevania - loosely based on a public domain book but has enough divergent evolution to feel like their own character. I think Lu Bu is a pretty interesting choice, too, because I cans ay he's definitely (as someone who has never played a game in the series) the most iconic character that everyone talks about. I wonder how you would put Dynasty Warriors mechanics in Smash? I feel like the ability to take down armies would be pretty important for game feel, no? Perhaps some kind of mechanic like ROB's beam or Aura, where you perform actions to eventually build to a screen-clearing special? I'm not sure.

Also, hi! I'm not actually entirely sure how this thread works. Do I get to nominate Ichiban Kasuga? I want to nominate Ichiban Kasuga.

Basically, you get five noms by default. By submitting stuff like movesets, stages, and big writeups, you can score extra noms for the next turn. As of current, you be able to nom Ichiban for five noms.

On that note I should probably start nomming again myself. Nomination: Madeleine x10

GolisoPower · Jul 1, 2021

You know, thinking about it, I could imagine Lu Bu's Classic Mode being based on all the masters he betrayed over his lifetime. Like Ganondorf representing Ding Yuan, King K. Rool representing Dong Zhuo, Chrom representing Yuan Shao, etc.

That, or it could be themed after various warlords already in Smash Bros.

Gengar84 · Jul 1, 2021

GolisoPower said:
You know, thinking about it, I could imagine Lu Bu's Classic Mode being based on all the masters he betrayed over his lifetime. Like Ganondorf representing Ding Yuan, King K. Rool representing Dong Zhuo, Chrom representing Yuan Shao, etc.

That, or it could be themed after various warlords already in Smash Bros.

Yeah that’s a great idea. Those are all good choices to represent the lords.

As far as the gameplay is concerned, I haven’t really thought out a complete moveset yet but the games have a lot of potential. The way the combat works is you have a basic attack and a charge attack button. You perform different attacks depending on when you use the charge attack in the combo. Originally, I thought this would be tough to translate into Smash, which is typically more about single attacks than combo chains but Kazuya’s A combo makes me think something like that could be possible. The main tricky part is balancing it so Lu Bu isn’t insanely overpowered. I feel like if we just copied over his DW moveset as is, he would end up being too strong.

Eldrake · Jul 1, 2021

I feel like Lu Bu would have crazy enough reach on his normal attacks to be able to hit and juggle up to 7 opponents simultaneously for that Dynasty Warriors feel. Of course, that sounds like it'd be hell for anyone to attempt to balance in the context of Super Smash Brothers.

Gengar84 · Jul 1, 2021

Eldrake said:
I feel like Lu Bu would have crazy enough reach on his normal attacks to be able to hit and juggle up to 7 opponents simultaneously for that Dynasty Warriors feel. Of course, that sounds like it'd be hell for anyone to attempt to balance in the context of Super Smash Brothers.

Yeah, I think he would be a ton of fun to play as but I’m not sure what the best way to balance him would be. I would imagine his air game and recovery would be on the weaker side. Another idea is to have a tipper mechanic like Marth where you deal much less damage if you hit with the pole of his halberd rather than the blade.

GolisoPower · Jul 1, 2021

...looking at his moveset from DW, yeah, Lu Bu would basically Kazuya with Min Min-level reach. He seems just that insane. Maybe it deals less damage with each character his attack hit per swing like with Kazuya's Devil Blaster? Or perhaps maybe he gets greater endlag with each attack he uses, much like with Bayonetta's jumps with her landing lag?

Gengar84 · Jul 1, 2021

GolisoPower said:
...looking at his moveset from DW, yeah, Lu Bu would basically Kazuya with Min Min-level reach. He seems just that insane. Maybe it deals less damage with each character his attack hit per swing like with Kazuya's Devil Blaster? Or perhaps maybe he gets greater endlag with each attack he uses, much like with Bayonetta's jumps with her landing lag?

This video does a pretty good job at showing off Lu Bu’s moveset:

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