Character Exploration Thread - Day 79: Axel Stone (Streets of Rage)

[ahemtoday]

I think someone mentioned it. In Unlimited, you can unlock and play as any number of Maxwell's... double-digit number of siblings. I don't remember how many. Point is, they all play identical.

However, I think the only one of those we would be likely to see is Lily, who is also the only one actually important to the plot.

(Even then, I'm not sure if we'd get such a thing. Alts that are different characters are not as common as people make them sound in speculation.)

 

[Commander_Alph]

My concept of is moveset is well.. him using the notebook (not the same as creating a notebook which is a whole different story) , considering it is given by his father to solve any problem it would not be ideal for him to spawn random object to attack you. One problem is that how do we handle the "Adjective" mechanic from the game?

 

[ahemtoday]

My concept of is moveset is well.. him using the notebook (not the same as creating a notebook which is a whole different story) , considering it is given by his father to solve any problem it would not be ideal for him to spawn random object to attack you. One problem is that how do we handle the "Adjective" mechanic from the game?

I'm... not quite sure what you mean in the first half of your post. Creating objects is kind of what the notebook does, so I'm not sure how he would use it other than that.

As for the adjective mechanic... I mean, there are things you could do with it, which would largely depend on how you handle the rest of the moveset. But we also shouldn't overlook the possibility of just... not using it. It wasn't in the game until the sequel, after all.

 

[Commander_Alph]

I'm... not quite sure what you mean in the first half of your post. Creating objects is kind of what the notebook does, so I'm not sure how he would use it other than that.

It supposed to be a response to Goliso using his notebook as a weapon, like physically. It's moreso a joke about him be able to spawn anything like a notebook and use it to attack while still doing what he usually does.

Write anything, draw anything, I honestly kind of feel like if we're gonna make a Maxwell set, we'd have to give him some attacks that don't use "writes in notebook" as a base animation. Like, for example, swiping with a pencil. Or flipping the pages for a multi-hit attack. Now I'm not saying he shouldn't use his notebook as he does in Scribblenauts, just that it should be less than one may think just to make him more appealing.

 

[amageish]

Maxwell would be very fun! I imagine he'd almost have some similar vibes to Sackboy in PS All-Stars, but hopefully a bit more... fun.

What other characters/objects from the Scribblenaughts verse do we think could make it into Smash? Any particular characters you'd want as Mii costumes or people/places/things you'd want to have stage cameos?

Noms: Monika x 5

 

[Technomage]

Maxwell would be very fun! I imagine he'd almost have some similar vibes to Sackboy in PS All-Stars, but hopefully a bit more... fun.

What other characters/objects from the Scribblenaughts verse do we think could make it into Smash? Any particular characters you'd want as Mii costumes or people/places/things you'd want to have stage cameos?

Noms: Monika x 5

Hmmm, since Scribblenaughts is published by Warner Bros., I think characters from other series published by the company could make a good theme for Maxwell's CP. Examples could include Scorpion (as well as other characters that share his palette swap, such as Sub-Zero, Smoke, Reptile, Ermac, and Noob Saibot; it could be like the Bomberman costume), Juliet from Lollipop Chainsaw, and Agent 47 from Hitman.

 

[Commander_Alph]

What other characters/objects from the Scribblenaughts verse do we think could make it into Smash? Any particular characters you'd want as Mii costumes or people/places/things you'd want to have stage cameos?

Speaking about cameo, last time I see someone suggested a stage for Scribblenauts being Edwin's farm from the first area, while I like the idea I prefer the capital city (the second area of the game), the thing about it is that it somehow work as a hubworld to other places which is just buildings present in that area like the hospital and firefighter department.

 

[ahemtoday]

Maxwell would be very fun! I imagine he'd almost have some similar vibes to Sackboy in PS All-Stars, but hopefully a bit more... fun.

What other characters/objects from the Scribblenaughts verse do we think could make it into Smash? Any particular characters you'd want as Mii costumes or people/places/things you'd want to have stage cameos?

Noms: Monika x 5

Honestly, Scribblenauts is a little light on characters besides the vast amount you can summon from the notebook and Maxwell's glorified-costume brothers. There's Lily, Edwin, I think the Doppelganger was relevant in the DC crossover but technically existed beforehand... that's about it.

There is some stuff to be done with summonable entities, though. Obviously, because you can write anything, there isn't one you tend to get first, but there are a couple ones I think stand out.

• Scribblenaut: Actually has a distinct design from Maxwell. I think they're one of the selectable skins in the first game, too.
• Cthulhu: I don't know, I feel like this is one of the stock things to write in when you need a big deadly creature.
• Time Machine and Teleporter: In at least one of the DS games, you could go to separate levels using these, which instantly makes them stand out.
• Tyrannosaurus: Appears in official art. As detailed in Post 217, can be obtained by traveling through time and then used to kill zombies.
• Winged Dotted Bath Tub: Appears in official art.

 

[Paraster]

What do you think the Scribblenauts series symbol would be? I think either the notebook or a Starite would be the front-runners--I'm partial towards the Starite myself.

Also, what do you think Maxwell's Final Smash would be? A cinematic FS where he summons a bunch of stuff, or just summoning one particularly strong entity?

(I'd personally like to incorporate the Robosaur somewhere--not necessarily the Final Smash, but that may be the only place it'd work.)

 

[Commander_Alph]

What do you think the Scribblenauts series symbol would be? I think either the notebook or a Starite would be the front-runners--I'm partial towards the Starite myself.

I want to pick the Starite but star being a symbol is oddly the most oversaturated one with Kirby and Terry inclusion but there's no other good alternative so yeah, that.

 

[PeridotGX]

I''ve kind of ignored this thread for awhile, I can't believe I almost missed Maxwell day! He's one of my most wanted characters, and was a character I nommed when still active here. Before anything else, I'm gonna plug this moveset. BrawlFan1 usually makes movesets of... questionable quality, but I actually really liked this one!

 

[GolisoPower]

I want to pick the Starite but star being a symbol is oddly the most oversaturated one with Kirby and Terry inclusion but there's no other good alternative so yeah, that.

TBF though, Kirby's Star is more rounded, Terry's is more tilted and angular, and the Starite has those little orb thingies in between the points. So at least there's some variation.

 

[Commander_Alph]

Spirit wise how can it be handle? There's not a lot of variety when it comes to character in Scribblenauts and those who do doesn't have any interesting gimmick, example like the robot dinosaur who looks cool but essentially doesn't do anything special other than having more health.

Maxwell's siblings is the second option and the third option is probably the most interesting and it involved the task in the game, either the Starite shard or the full Starite with the siblings falls under that too. Example is a battle against a tourist who's supposed to be the one from the Capital City that's on top of the skyscraper where there would be a fog and a high wind.

 

[Paraster]

Spirit wise how can it be handle? There's not a lot of variety when it comes to character in Scribblenauts and those who do doesn't have any interesting gimmick, example like the robot dinosaur who looks cool but essentially doesn't do anything special other than having more health.

Maxwell's siblings is the second option and the third option is probably the most interesting and it involved the task in the game, either the Starite shard or the full Starite with the siblings falls under that too. Example is a battle against a tourist who's supposed to be the one from the Capital City that's on top of the skyscraper where there would be a fog and a high wind.

I think the best call is to include some of the more iconic summonable entities (T. rex that can be enhanced into robosaur, Cthulhu) and entities that are original to the game or at least have designs original to the game (scribblenaut, beast). Top it off with a spirit based on Lily and make the Legend spirit all 40 of Maxwell's brothers fought in a Century Smash-esque scenario (with the spirit's art being the family photo).

 

[Gengar84]

I saw that Paraster briefly discussed the soundtracks already but what sate some examples of songs would you guys choose if Maxwell was added to Smash?

 

[Commander_Alph]

I saw that Paraster briefly discussed the soundtracks already but what sate some examples of songs would you guys choose if Maxwell was added to Smash?

I have some but specifically for his victory theme this one is too perfect to not be it

 

[ahemtoday]

I saw that Paraster briefly discussed the soundtracks already but what sate some examples of songs would you guys choose if Maxwell was added to Smash?

Oh, let me handle this. First off, there's this song, which is the first one I think of from the original games.

Really, the entire soundtracks to the first two games have a very charming lo-fi feel to them.

Unlimited's soundtrack is kind of like that still, but it also has some entirely different (and really good) tracks as well.

Oh, I might still have noms. Uh, I'll put those toward a Zero Escape rep.

 

[PeridotGX]

I saw that Paraster briefly discussed the soundtracks already but what sate some examples of songs would you guys choose if Maxwell was added to Smash?

Funny story - the enhanced port of Unlimited has a few new stages, and one of them (Zed Zeppelin) has a really good song. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure nobody has uploaded it to YouTube, so unless I record it myself I can't share it

 

[Paraster]

I saw that Paraster briefly discussed the soundtracks already but what sate some examples of songs would you guys choose if Maxwell was added to Smash?

I already discussed the soundtrack in broad strokes, but I decided now to go through them all to name some specific songs (on top of seconding the ones ahemtoday pushed):

• Scribblenauts
  • Title Screen
  • Casual 1
  • Casual 5
  • Gardens 2
  • Medievil 1 (I know I already discussed the Drawn to Life connection, but this one is SO similar to "Ooh Wilfre!")
  • Shore 2
  • New Frontier 1
  • Big Tiny 1
  • Dark 1
  • Dark 2
• Super (some of this game's songs seem to be reuses/remixes of ones from the first game, but I'm pretty sure these are original to Super)
  • Level Music 4
  • Level Music 5
  • Level Music 7
  • Level Music 8
  • Level Music 17
  • Level Music 18
  • Level Music 24
  • Arcade and Last Level
• Unlimited
  • Title Screen (remix of Peaks 1 from the first)
  • The Under Line (remix of Gardens 1)
  • The Listy Colon
  • Syntax Station
  • Sir Guillemet's Castle
  • Metaforest
  • Hyphen Heights
  • Edwin's Farm (especially if you went with my idea of this being the stage)
  • Dusty Brush Canyon
  • Capital City

Yeah, this was more "all the songs I think have potential" than "what I think a reasonable song list would be." Also, I left off Unmasked because I'm pretty sure we're all ignoring that can of worms.

 

[amageish]

We've summoned a Noms List into the world!

It's... not too different from the last one as I was a bit late and therefore a lot of people had already used their noms from the day.

The top 7 is a top 9 right now though! We're very good at ties.

Spoiler: The Noms List

50+ noms
Monika - x135
Scorpion - x83
Elma - x83
Jill Stingray - x80
Filia (Skullgirls) - x70
Sir Arthur - x70
Hearthstone Innkeeper - x65
Laharl - x65
Hat Kid - x65
Bill & Lance - x55

26-50 noms
Estelle Bright - x45
Endo Mamoru - x45
2B - x40
Saber - x50
Ryza - x35
Bubsy - x35
Zero Escape Rep - x30
Heavy - x30
Isaac (Golden Sun) - x30

11-25 noms
Klonoa - x25
Octoling - x25
Warframe rep - x25
Shovel Knight - x25
Trauma Center Content - x22
Black Mage - x20
Master Hand - x20
Mega Man X - x20
Astral Chain rep - x15

5-10 noms
Chun-Li - x10
Daitoryo - x10
Gordon Freeman - x10
Axel Stone - x5
Ezio - x5
Chibi-Robo - x5
9-volt - x5
Gunvolt - x5
Nathan Drake - x5
Darkest Dungeon Content - x5
Spyro the Dragon - x3
Tracer - x3
Sly Cooper - x3
Chell - x3

 

[Paraster]

Just remembered there's a location in Unlimited called "Inkwell High." I never knew Scribblenauts and Cuphead took place in the same universe.

Actually, that kinda makes some sense...

 

[GolisoPower]

Hey, what would Maxwell's Classic Mode be like? Would it be majorly against creative types? Or perhaps it's themed after various things you can summon?

 

[Paraster]

Hey, what would Maxwell's Classic Mode be like? Would it be majorly against creative types? Or perhaps it's themed after various things you can summon?

That's actually a tough one. "Creative types" seems the best, but I'm not even sure which fighters would fall under that.

Maybe you could represent the vocabulary in a tongue-in-cheek way by having each round be a group of fighters whose names start with the same letter (Samus + Sheik + Snake one round, Mario + Meta Knight + Mega Man another, etc.).

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Would it be fitting to make Maxwell work like Guilty Gear's Faust? Like, he randomly scribbles something in the notebook and it pops out of the notebook, which can be all sorts of things like projectiles, items, temporary stage hazards like oil slick, monsters, etc? One weakness Faust's RNG has, particularly in Strive, is that some items can be used against him. Like, an opponent can grab and use the items for themselves, Maxwell would be affected by the oil slick regardless if he summoned it or not and a monster will attack whatever's closest, meaning Max can get attacked too.

 

[Commander_Alph]

Would it be fitting to make Maxwell work like Guilty Gear's Faust? Like, he randomly scribbles something in the notebook and it pops out of the notebook, which can be all sorts of things like projectiles, items, temporary stage hazards like oil slick, monsters, etc? One weakness Faust's RNG has, particularly in Strive, is that some items can be used against him. Like, an opponent can grab and use the items for themselves, Maxwell would be affected by the oil slick regardless if he summoned it or not and a monster will attack whatever's closest, meaning Max can get attacked too.

That depends really, considering every character could be damage by their own item like explosive and bombs it's a no brainer, then again summons usually attack the enemy first and you have to hit them to get their attention in his origin game.

 

[amageish]

Hi. How do we want to handle today? Are we continuing Maxwell, moving onto the next day, or reacting to Kazuya?

 

[Paraster]

Hi. How do we want to handle today? Are we continuing Maxwell, moving onto the next day, or reacting to Kazuya?

Maxwell discussion seems to have slowed, so moving on is probably fine.

I don't have much to say about Kazuya myself, but if others want to discuss him that's fine.

 

[SharkLord]

Yeah, let's do a Kazuya day. That's how we did it with E3.

Hoo boy, five dragon punch inputs tomorow. Hahahaha

 

[amageish]

Okay! Kazuya discussion time.

- That is a lot of inputs. Kazuya scares me as a potential player.

- I like the Tekken stage a lot! Good variation on the KoF stage gimmicks that seems super fun to play.

- I guess fighting games just get more songs then any other genre, huh? Weird, but nice to have!

- I understand why people are upset at the Mii Costumes and their feelings are valid, of course, though personally I like them expanding the crossover in whatever ways they can as we approach this final fighter. Obviously it sucks for speculation, especially as a lot of people don't like to entertain discussion of characters that aren't likely to happen, but speculation is always going to end. When speculation does end, we'll still have content from Tales of, Skyrim, DMC and Shantae in the game, which won't be true of most franchises.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Gonna just post my RTC writeup here

Rate Their Chances - Smash Ultimate Edition! Day 672: Five Most Likely First and Third Parties for Smash 6, and Final Goodbyes

Prediction Tekken and Kazuya Discussion Kazuya moveset Stage discussion A playthrough of Kazuya Lloyd being a Mii Costume That is all I got for now Noms: 5 for Echo: Bowser

smashboards.com

TLDR a damn good time was had today

 

[Paraster]

The Shantae Mii costume is just firing me up more for an actual indie fighter. I've seen several people arbitrarily claim indies can't get more than a costume, and I really hope they're wrong. The indie scene is too varied and too important to just ignore (and I only half-count Steve at best).

For Kazuya himself, I think diagonal tilts are a brilliant yet simple idea, and everything else about him is wacky in a good way. I really like Mishima Dojo. Disappointed in the lack of a victory fanfare; why couldn't we have that AND the Tekken announcer?

 

[Technomage]

What time will Kaz be added?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

What time will Kaz be added?

Considering the UK stream said he'd be added on the 30th ,at least 30 hours from now

 

[ahemtoday]

Would it be fitting to make Maxwell work like Guilty Gear's Faust? Like, he randomly scribbles something in the notebook and it pops out of the notebook, which can be all sorts of things like projectiles, items, temporary stage hazards like oil slick, monsters, etc? One weakness Faust's RNG has, particularly in Strive, is that some items can be used against him. Like, an opponent can grab and use the items for themselves, Maxwell would be affected by the oil slick regardless if he summoned it or not and a monster will attack whatever's closest, meaning Max can get attacked too.

Honestly, yeah, I think that thing about the items getting used against him is key to how Scribblenauts feels.

 

[GolisoPower]

Kazuya's moveset's kinda nuts. I was thinking "Sakurai might as well add Diagonal Specials to this dude at this rate", but the diagonal tilts already makes him complex. I'm surprised the 10-Hit Combo is the jab, though, that's nuts.

As for Mii Costumes, yeah, kinda feel bad for Dante fans, but I was not expecting a Dovahkiin Mii Costume in Smash at all.

 

[Technomage]

Considering the UK stream said he'd be added on the 30th ,at least 30 hours from now

That'll be 8 PM for me. Ugh, it's still gonna be a long wait.

 

[amageish]

The Shantae Mii costume is just firing me up more for an actual indie fighter. I've seen several people arbitrarily claim indies can't get more than a costume, and I really hope they're wrong. The indie scene is too varied and too important to just ignore (and I only half-count Steve at best).

I don't really have any expectations for the final character, but I have always found it odd how the community's attitude went from "Sans/UNDERTALE is impossible for Smash" to "Well, if Sans can't get in, then no indie can ever get in."

I do hope we at least get more then one indie mii in the final pack. Shovel Knight's earned it at this point and Cadence still has nothing despite having a full Zelda game under her belt...

 

[Dan Quixote]

I do hope we at least get more then one indie mii in the final pack. Shovel Knight's earned it at this point and Cadence still has nothing despite having a full Zelda game under her belt...

At this rate I'd put a few bucks on Cadence getting in as a Mii Swordfighter in the final set of DLC. They're back on their deluxe indie Mii juice over at Nintendo so why not?

 

[amageish]

At this rate I'd put a few bucks on Cadence getting in as a Mii Swordfighter in the final set of DLC. They're back on their deluxe indie Mii juice over at Nintendo so why not?

I think she makes sense too, though keep in mind Mii Costumes have the same general pool as main roster additions and there are only 4-6 costumes left (barring some sort of blowout or a Sm4sh-style bonus wave). So, Mii Costumes are going to have the same "You can make sense, but not happen" stipulation roster slots have...

 

[ahemtoday]

Oh, I guess I should post our noms now, huh?

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Technomage x10 (15 Total)
Gengar84 x10 (16 Total)
GolisoPower x15 (20 Total)
ahemtoday x25 (30 Total)
Eldrake x5 (10 Total)
Paraster x25 (30 Total)
Commander_Alph x20 (25 Total)
amageish x5 (10 Total)
Cutie Gwen x5 (10 Total)