Character Competitive Impressions

[Smooth Criminal]

At this point I'm hoping for Michael Jordan DLC. He's the only one who can shake Shaq from the #1 spot.

Karl Malone doe

Smooth "Shaq" Criminal

 

[Antonykun]

why do I feel that people are using shaq to vent out their frustrations on Diddy and Diddy related drama

 

[Ffamran]

why do I feel that people are using shaq to vent out their frustrations on Diddy and Diddy related drama

'Cause Shaq makes everything better.

 

[warionumbah2]

Lebron James is a walking tripping hitbox, he hard counters Shaq imo.

 

[Purin a.k.a. José]

We used to have the Hoo-Haa as the ultimate combo... now the Slam-Jam comes to wreck it out of nowhere. Everyone has to be banned now. We can only have one character... or else Shaqurai will use the bias cannon to cancel Mewtwo. Until 3PM PT, where the world will be safe again.
The ruleset, until the Direct will be Soccer Balls, Shaq-only, The Great Cave Offensive.

 

[Project Quarantine]

Guys, guys please. Shaq has only been available for approximately 0 seconds. It's WAY too early to start calling out bans. Geez why can't you guys learn to adapt to anything? Here, I went ahead and made a guide on how to beat Shaq. I swear y'all need people to hold your hand for EVERYTHING.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfhhWA9GF0M

You can thank me later.

I think Aaron Carter has a 65:35 matchup vs Shaq, one of the only characters who can outlast the baller. His amazing spacing with canned sound effect side b and great frame data walls out shaqs ball control. In addition, Carter's up air shot is uncontested due to its range and knock back. This matchup is almost polarizing at times tbh

 

[ChronoPenguin]

Shaq is a garbage character. He has no kill moves he just tries for Dunks with fixed knockback and Villager is undunkable so its an automatic 100:0 in Villagers favor.
His large frame just makes him needle bait, and I can bouncing Fish with my eyes closed to hit him.
Hopefully the Shaqtwo patch gives him some much needed buffs. To be frank I don't understand why anyone would ban him, learn the MU and don't get dunked. I'd put him in bottom tier.

ShaqKirby does everything Shaq does but better completing invalidating the character and making the MU 8:3 in Kirbys favor at minimum.

I don't see how a character that loses unquestionably to Villager and Kirby is worth a ban in this Kirbycentric meta.
Maybe if Coin battles were played competitively he'd be top tier, but there is no ability to make it rain in Stock.

Currently testing in the lab shows that DDD has a 0-320% chain grab on Shaq and Shaq can't reflect Gordo's because he hates pointy things, probably DDD's most favourable MU in the game.

Honestly I don't understand the hype for such a fundamentally flawed character, absolutely zero throws of worth.

Really hoping the Shaqtwo patch replaces Kirbys Inhale for the monado arts permanently in all MU's. Monado Kirby is way stronger then Shulk and I'd switch in a heartbeat.

 

[Antonykun]

The Shaqfighter duo is so OP in doubles tho!
Slam Dunk into upair okoes the entire cast and can be set up from either characters grab

 

[Nu~]

its ok at least shaq's recovery is bad so he's not ban worthy imo

But he gets mad air with his Side B: Layup

 

[thehard]

I heard Sakurai pushed hard for Shaq's inclusion in BasketBrawl, but was ultimately forced to cut him from the roster when the dev team couldn't get his Chaos Dunk working properly, so it's really exciting to see him finally being released.

First impressions: Ness is a hard counter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9Ceg0MuvAE

 

[Antonykun]

I heard Sakurai pushed hard for Shaq's inclusion in BasketBrawl, but was ultimately forced to cut him from the roster when the dev team couldn't get his Chaos Dunk working properly, so it's really exciting to see him finally being released.

First impressions: Ness is a hard counter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9Ceg0MuvAE

too

 

[Nobie]

Shaq's Neutral B custom, Shaqnado Arts, is where it's at.

It cycles between Slam -> Jam -> Thank you ma'am -> Buster -> Kazam

 

[Cenizas]

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one waiting for a legitimate discussion that doesn't involve Shaq.

 

[Antonykun]

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one waiting for a legitimate discussion that doesn't involve Shaq.

Treat today like a holiday celebration for Shaq for reason.
I still find it weird we are treating Shaq like Captain Falcon tho

 

[Road Death Wheel]

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one waiting for a legitimate discussion that doesn't involve Shaq.

Shut The "SHAQ" UP!

 

[thehard]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hack-a-Shaq New AT discovered!

This completely invalidates Shaq on the level of something like Ness' grab release. Just wait until top players start abusing this, top 8 at EVO is going to look like such a joke. You thought stream monsters were bad now? Enjoy your defensive campfest.

 

[Unknownkid]

Maybe it is just me... but I feel like the Direct is a ruse. If not, I hope Sakurai do something about Shaq. The Diesel Counter is broken.

 

[Conda]

Oh gosh, shaq everywhere. I'll have to come back tomorrow where hopefully this site is smashboards-esque again. Internet meme shepherding is a weird phenomenon and the prime reason I stay away from r/smashbros nowadays.

It's strange how quickly we'll take something funny and allow it to make us one-note, turning a conversational forum into a twilight zone of exasperated comic intentions. There's a place for this kind of stuff, I didn't think we needed another so badly.

Cheers to those who are enjoying it though.

 

[Road Death Wheel]

Oh gosh, shaq everywhere. I'll have to come back tomorrow where hopefully this site is smashboards-esque again. Internet meme shepherding is a weird phenomenon and the prime reason I stay away from r/smashbros nowadays.

It's strange how quickly we'll take something funny and allow it to make us one-note, turning a conversational forum into a twilight zone of exasperated comic intentions. There's a place for this kind of stuff, I didn't think we needed another so badly.

Cheers to those who are enjoying it though.

Its april fools man, "shaqin" up a little

 

[Smog Frog]

can we please discuss relevant things now? shaq's making me salty.

i'll set a topic: acknowledge the existence of

 

[Conda]

Its april fools man, "shaqin" up a little

Inventing traditions and having people follow them, purely for promotional social media marketing reasons, is incredibly easy to do on the internet.

Jokes are my favourite things, but this is more than "shaqin it up a little", since smashboards-style conversation is really being interrupted. Any comedian or sketch writer will tell you that you have to know when to let a joke/skit end, so it doesn't overstay its welcome.

There are places to go for conversation-redefining memes, such as 4chan and reddit. Did we need another place for this kind of shepherded "lol so random" comedy?

 

[warionumbah2]

i'll set a topic: acknowledge the existence of

Ok tell us whats great about Jigglypuff, then maybe she'll get acknowledged.

 

[Ffamran]

Ok tell us whats great about Jigglypuff, then maybe she'll get acknowledged.

Off-stage game? Inflatable limbs that makes Jigglypuff's range stupid? Ability to Rest in the middle of Rapid Jabs? Is part Fairy which means death to Yoshi, Ridley, Greninja, Ganondorf, and Mega Charizard X?

 

[Plain Yogurt]

Ugh FFFFFFFFINE.

Jiggs is cool. The .3% of the time I see her on For Glory her ability to carry me off stage always takes me surprise. Of course, it also takes me by surprise when she casually dies at like 60%. If there's any character I would call a glass cannon in this game it would probably be her and I think that's why we don't see her very often.

But seriously who plays this character? I haven't seen just about anything out of her.

 

[deepseadiva]

Characters I've read being described as a glass canons:




Characters too obviously heavy to be called a glass canon, but sometimes still called that:


Actual glass canons:

 

[Smog Frog]

lol idk whats great about jigglypuff because noone ****in uses her

sheik isnt a cannon, is glass, but has specialist-level strengths everywhere else

 

[Road Death Wheel]

Inventing traditions and having people follow them, purely for promotional social media marketing reasons, is incredibly easy to do on the internet.

Jokes are my favourite things, but this is more than "shaqin it up a little", since smashboards-style conversation is really being interrupted. Any comedian or sketch writer will tell you that you have to know when to let a joke/skit end, so it doesn't overstay its welcome.

There are places to go for conversation-redefining memes, such as 4chan and reddit. Did we need another place for this kind of shepherded "lol so random" comedy?

Don't ask me ask the site moderators for doing what they did. This was going to happen with this decision regardless of weither we like it or not and if anything just give it an hour till actuall converstion starts up again. Or like u said once again come back tommarow. its only a day. u know when the joke will end and you know very well that this wont last.

*Cough*Shaq*Cough*

 

[Conda]

sheik isnt a cannon, is glass, but has specialist-level strengths everywhere else

e: april fools double post

Sheik isn't glass because she has one of the best recoveries in the game, isn't really that light, and also can't be put into situations where she can be easily taken advantage of. These are all quality defensive traits in smash, thus she has a decent-high level of overall survivability compared to the seemingly 'actual' glass cannons - lil mac and jiggly.

Don't ask me ask the site moderators for doing what they did. This was going to happen with this decision regardless of weither we like it or not and if anything just give it an hour till actuall converstion starts up again. Or like u said once again come back tommarow. its only a day. u know when the joke will end and you know very well that this wont last.

*Cough*Shaq*Cough*

The admin (not moderator) decision to make all avatars and icons 'shaq' is actually legitimately funny shock comedy. A succinct and surprising joke. I definitely laughed when I saw it.

It's each individual's decision to focus discussion on shaq-related puns/mentions/etc which ends up being the hammer to the dead horse. That stuff belongs on reddit, where that kind of 'groupthink-influencing-discourse' stuff is welcome, not here.

 

[Road Death Wheel]

Sheik isn't glass because she has one of the best recoveries in the game, isn't really that light, and also can't be put into situations where she can be easily taken advantage of. These are all quality defensive traits in smash, thus she has a decent-high level of overall survivability compared to the seemingly 'actual' glass cannons - lil mac and jiggly.

Just cuz glass is hard to hit does not make it any more than glass.

 

[Conda]

Just cuz glass is hard to hit does not make it any more than glass.

Right, but 'amazing recovery' is a defensive trait in smash. Sheik, when she fights, isn't really hampered by any "she's easy to kill" elements. She's slightly light, like many other characters. I'd strongly say Fox and Falco are much more glass-cannon-like than Sheik, as their recoveries are very easily intercepted compared to many Smash 4 characters.

 

[Road Death Wheel]

Right, but 'amazing recovery' is a defensive trait in smash. Sheik, when she fights, isn't really hampered by any "she's easy to kill" elements. She's slightly light, like many other characters. I'd strongly say Fox and Falco are much more glass-cannon-like than Sheik, as their recoveries are very easily intercepted compared to many Smash 4 characters.

MMmm I think we just have differing opinion on what a glass canon is since i always identify glass canon as simply a character who can't take hits well. Good recovery or not. But thats just my opinion not fact of course.

 

[Cenizas]

Off-stage game? Inflatable limbs that makes Jigglypuff's range stupid? Ability to Rest in the middle of Rapid Jabs? Is part Fairy which means death to Yoshi, Ridley, Greninja, Ganondorf, and Mega Charizard X?

Fire resists Fairy, Charizard X is A-OK.

 

[Locke 06]

On topic of Shaq and glass cannons, who has poor defensive kits?

Ability to stop ball (stop approaches), play defense without fouling (ability to deal with shield pressure), block shots (OoS options), and cause turnovers (punish unsafe options)?

 

[Conda]

MMmm I think we just have differing opinion on what a glass canon is since i always identify glass canon as simply a character who can't take hits well. Good recovery or not. But thats just my opinion not fact of course.

Right, but you're looking solely at weight class. There's more to survivability (and, thus, 'glass'-iness) in Smash than weight class.

Think of recovery like health recovery moves in an rpg. You get knocked off-stage, but you can recover back onto the on-stage fight by getting back to the stage. Having a good recovery is a way of extending your stock, whilst having a crappy recovery means you have poor/no means of extending or preserving your stock when knocked offstage.

This is similar to restoring some HP in LoL or an rpg - you extend your survivability just a bit to try and stay in the fight. Some characters in rpgs are easily killed, but they can utilize healing magic to actually have decently high 'survivability'. This prevents them from being a glass cannon, meanwhile the flimsy fire mage that has 0 armor and 0 healing and mediocre mobility is most definitely a true glass cannon.

Meanwhile some characters have a poor recovery but high weight - this is simply survivability balanced differently within the character. Bowser's ability to be easily taken advantage of makes him, in many matchups, more of a 'glass cannon with low actual survivability' than sheik. Smash is weird in this way.

 

[Smog Frog]

puff also bodies by virtue of typing:
little mac
dank pit
mii brawler
mega mewtwo x


APRIL 15TH FOR ME BOIIISSS

APRIL 28TH FOR THE REST OF U SCRUBS

 

[Deleted member]

LUCASSSSSS

 

[Conda]

Forget Shaq. LUCAS

 

[Antonykun]

dammit i mised the beggining

 

[Ffamran]

Fire resists Fairy, Charizard X is A-OK.

Super Dragon Yoshi would be okay too, but regular Yoshi... I guess Bowser would be fine if he's considered a Dragon/Fire-type or Fire/Dragon-type or just plain ol, Fire-type. Robin... Robin's screwed since Robin's probably a Psychic/Dark-type and so's Villager with that inner evil.

MMmm I think we just have differing opinion on what a glass canon is since i always identify glass canon as simply a character who can't take hits well. Good recovery or not. But thats just my opinion not fact of course.

Ditto on that. Glass cannons for me hit hard through whatever means, but can't take hits hard. Recovery or not, it's like if you land Fox's Up Smash on Jigglypuff vs. Ganondorf, Jigglypuff's going to die unless Ganondorf DIs up for some stupid reason. Jigglypuff hits hard, but because Jigglypuff is the lightest character in the game, that means Jiggly will die fast, then Jiggly's a glass cannon while Ganondorf takes and gives hits like a champ, but moves slow as sin making him more of a mighty glacier if we're going by TV Tropes or a walking iron man.

So, that's two ends of a spectrum. For glass cannons, I'd say Fox and Jigglypuff are the most notable ones in SSB4. Olimar/Alph can sort of be called glass cannons too because they can hit hard with the right Pikmin. Mr. Game & Watch counts as well since he hits hard, but dies pretty easily. For might glaciers or iron people, it's Ganondorf.

Now, let's add in fragile speedsters who are fast, but do damage not through burst attacks like Fox or Jigglypuff, but rapid attacks. Who does that? Sonic and Sheik. These two build up a ton of damage in short times, but they can't take hits well. Can they recover well? Sure, but one good hit will kill them. Pikachu is also under this category.

Stone walls are the opposite of fragile speedsters, but still do pitiful damage. I don't know anyone really who does this in SSB4. Er... I guess (Hyper) Shield Art Shulk?

Then there's lightning bruisers who hit fast and hit hard. Captain Falcon, anyone? Luigi, Diddy, Little Mac, and even Bowser can count because there's an aspect of speed someone and power combined. Bowser moves ridiculously fast and hits hard, but his hits aren't that fast. Charizard and DK could count as well. Little Mac might easily be gimped and killed horizontally, but if you're going to vertical kills and keep messing up, Little Mac will wreck you hard and quickly. Wario could count for this too since he moves quickly through the air and hits hard. Yoshi can also count since he can not only rack up damage fast, but he hits hard too while moving quickly.

The issue with this is we end up generalizing a whole cast of characters and a lot of characters don't really fit in one category or the other, but some do and those characters often represent an extreme archetype like how Ganondorf does work as a mighty glacier, Jigglypuff is a glass cannon, and Pikachu is a fragile speedster. Then there's the whole issue of other attributes like fall speed. Falco is light, but his fall speed is fast which sort of makes him like a middleweight, then he attacks pretty strong, but he doesn't move fast... You get the idea. Or how the game works in general. If this was Tekken or if SSB used Stamina instead of stocks, but even then, Stamina in SSB doesn't really work like in Street Fighter, the King of Fighters, Blazblue, etc.

 

[Djent]

/ synergy in custom doubles:

-fill the bucket w/ one Autoreticle (2.9 damage per hit).
-GnW UAir helps set up for early kills in Lightweight.

Have fun.