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Not even a good tier list. (As if those even exist right now)
This thooo. Like no offense but that is the worst tier list I've ever seen
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First 5 is reasonable. Then it's just a "who the **** is this? The Feeling Man? Probably bottom tier"
This game is probably as close as you can get.
Pika is so good he transcended the tier list.S:
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I don't know why that Entei is there, but don't you make me rant on you about why Falco isn't bad. Saying he's overrated when he's basically nonexistent everywhere in SSB4 makes no sense. How can something be overrated when there's little to no mention of it?Also, Falco is bad and overrated.
This man gets it.I don't know who came up with the idea of increasing Hydrant's HP by 1. It's the worst nerf that came with the new patch by a landslide. It makes Hydrant so much worse because bair and melon can no longer OHKO it .... that 1 HP increased the risk of using that move way too much. It's still a solid move but nowhere near as good as it was before.
Also, Falco is bad and overrated.
KuroganeHammer
obv if you were to put our lists side by side you could tell what we disagree on looool
Really? I had trouble killing with her. Now her Fsmash and Uspecial kill fast.
In Smash 4 her down Smash can still be played around ledges very well and is just as safe on shield. May not stun as long but it still stuns long enough to do anything you want. Along with not having to solely rely on Bair to kill.
Ganondorf's slow and people say that a projectile would help his approach game. Captain Falcon with a gun is sort of weird I guess since we're so used to his wacky moves. Also, his speed allows him to get in fast and slightly safe despite lacking any projectiles. If customs weren't just slightly modified moves and more like Palutena's and the Mii Fighters', then I would be in for the Capt. using his pistol-blaster-thing. It'd be hilarious if it turns out his pistol is actually a mini-grenade launcher.
Yeah really, her aerials killed really well in Brawl. So did Side-B, which I guess you shouldn't get hit by, but people did lol. She was able to kill off of D-Smash earlier for the most part too, mainly because Fair and Bair fresh used to kill "early," for Brawl standards.
Well Bair still has as much if not more kill power as it did in brawl also her down special spike kills a lot earlier now because of no meteor canceling. Up special kills really well also.
That's a bit of an exaggeration. Even without rage he can kill with a couple good attack strings, though with rage he obviously kills much faster. Rage does give him a chance even in MUs where he's a punching bag most of the time, but if he gets a good read on you, you're going to die, rage or no rage.
Hungrybox plays her but hasn't been to any big tournaments but he's been to local ones
You actually can be far more aggressive with Marth than with Lucina. The sweetspot/sourspot mechanic of Marth's sword makes his hits safer on shield than Lucina, and if you're playing ideally with Lucina you want to be hitting at tipper range anyway. It's when they're being super aggressive vs you that Lucina is theoretically better, since that's when you don't get the luxury of spacing for tippers, but in reality the extra 1% reward for poor spacing doesn't make up for the sheer killing power of Marth's tippers in this game.
And how stupidly bad his recovery was. Thank God they buffed it in the pa--oh.
Tbh I hear she is overrated everytime She is brought up in a thread so I don't know how she is overrated if most people think that.
I'll admit she doesn't do well against short charachters. But her z air helps her deal with floaty charachters. Jiggs, Kirby, and Peach. She may not Be in the Highest tier, but shes top of tier below it.
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That's how I personally see things for now.
I think that jigglypuff might even be her worst MU. She can crouch under 90% of ZSS moves and can shield her dtilt and dsmash. With jigglypuffs crouch to rest punish, this makes the MU so much easier for jigglypuff. She can get kills fast with the punish too. I think that jigglypuff is a really bad MU for ZSS.
Personally I think Ness is ZSS's worst match up, but i do see your point. Thing is most of Jiggly's approach game is aerial (unlike kirby), so shes not out of range "most" of the time.
Down tilt beats any grounded attack puff has, if puff aproaches through the air ZSS can punish really easily with paralyzer/upsmash/ftilt/grab
Ok even in a dtilt comes she can simply shield and punish. Nair our prioritizes or cancels out the moves U put above. It's not an impossible MU I just think it's bad for ZSS.
I'm fairly sure dtilt is safe on block if spaced right, and saying "you can shield and punish" a move isn't a good argument unless it has enormous ending lag.
Ok but her aerials R really fast to the point I think that it's possible to punish her dtilt. She can still sheild grab before ZSS can do another action. I'm not saying that she's a bad character I'm just saying that the MU seems unfavorable for ZSS.
kyxsune
id say 60-40 but ok
