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According to some people on the later pages of the thread Brawler got 3% more damage on Final Smash and some other changes that they're not sure how to interpret right now. Something was seemingly done to Gunner as well.
I'm fairly certain there's no change.
theres differences from balancing them cometitivly or not. and for the most part they were just changed to match the wiiu agriculture.
I'll have to ask that you calm your fan fiction.
The first version of this list looked suspiciously like the one that influenced patch 1.0.4. (on that initial list, Diddy was C-tier, which is probably why he escaped nerfs).
New Japanese tier list from Keitaro from Twitter.
Hearsay, but probably legit.
Marth bottom tier?
Surprisingly, Mario is 25th. Smack dab in the middle.
I've always found it a double edged sword to make tiers based primarily on tournament results (especially so early into the life of a game). Like, on the one hand... what's more conclusive than results? But on the other hand, what this means in practice is that the characters people prefer to play will get more usage, which in turn will lead to more wins, which in turn leads to more people picking up that character because people perceive that character to be good. And I have a sneaking suspicion that the Japanese have a preference for quick / free flowing characters just as a play style thing, which in turn is influencing their tier list.Japan tend to base its lists exclusively on domestic tourney results, which explains why Rosalina has dropped down below Villager [!!!] after Rain and 9B dropped her and started to play other characters. Meanwhile Ganbaranai places really well in tournament with Villager and thus he's ranked higher.
Keyword "ranked". You should probably look at this more as a tournament ranking list estimation rather than a tier list.
I think you're really downplaying how important Marth's mobility and counter is. Ike also still actually doesn't have great OOS punishes for Marth's spaced aerials such as N-air and fullhop F-air. Only Ike's B-air has decent startup and range, but it also only really hits horizontally, and doesn't exactly have more range than most of Marth's stuff.I think Ike beats Marth pretty clearly this time around, actually. Ike wins in Neutral which is where the majority of matchups are decided in general. One of Ike's biggest problems in Brawl against Marth was dealing with Marth's pokes and pressure from a defensive position, especially out of shield. From shielding Ike didn't have too many solid responses to just about anything Marth could throw out in neutral and as we all know shielding was surpremely powerful and essential in Brawls gameplay.
Marth's pokes are nowhere near as scary as they used to be and trades are still awfully lopsided in Ike's favor. Unless Marth gets that birthday surprise gimp on Ike he'll be fighting an uphill battle. There's no way Marth wins this matchup now imo ... and that's not even taking Ike's custom specials into account.
The one JP Mii I've seen was using 3112 as Gunner, so I think it's safe to say they allow the full use of Mii customs.
Okay, that at least makes more sense then. The Mii Brawler is actually quite potent with its custom attacks and its Pichu-sized body.
Ike gets great grab reward, no doubt, but mostly at low percents. Then at higher percents Ike's grab reward is mostly just some fast pummels and F-throw/B-throw, and Ike's edgeguarding against Marth is not very strong. Marth will almost never be using counter in neutral against Ike. Counter however does make it a lot harder for Ike to secure safe KOs on Marth, meaning Ike is forced to play footsies repeatedly to KO Marth most of the time, while Marth in contrast just merely tries to confirm gimps or offstage KOs once he's able to put Ike offstage.
sniff srry ill move my butt hurt lol.
Uthrow combos into attacks until 90%, 70% at high rage. Marth has to risk timing attacks against Ike's quick draw and he also has to deal with super armor from aether. Ike can still fair offstage before Marth goes deep, just as Marth can do the same to Ike if he's caught low offstage.
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lol i hope that i did not come off as having a predudice while i dont like miis im sure u seen me openly talk about their potential in this thread. im just concerned i guess. even if its miss placed i honesly think it will be a shame if nothing ever does change about the miis as balance goes on. i would hate to just see mii swordsman stay **** teir while brawler stay top.
japan be really sleeping on g dorf
Nah, I think everyone fears Gungnir. But he is ultimately only one person, and I have not actually seen any results from other Ganondorf mains from Japan.
dunno smash god placed pretty well in the latest tourny.
That guy has an account here, right? I just don't remember how the **** you spell it. I KNOW I've seen him around. Would love hearing from him again.
most player do but yeah i would love to here his opinions to. his reads were fantastic. he did pretty well against his worst match up too.
honestly? contrary to popular opinion. i think hes quite good. nothing spectacular but good none the less. his dair is just so good for gimping. solid low mid tier.
You're right.
Probably not. He has a few strengths and difficulty capitalizing on them. Then again, this game is decently balanced apparently, so maybe there's something everyone is missing.
