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Heh, I remember when I was the best Greninja on Anther's for the seasons I was the most involved in. Then I stopped playing there because lag and I'm from Brazil.
I guess the most notable ones are NinjaLink and Techei, that said I don't think the former has been doing much (could be wrong) and the latter is pretty inconsistent in his play from what I've seen.
It's more likely because of how Smash Stigma and Conformism works. It happens on Ladder too, because I've talked to people about Link before and they would often rate him as low/bottom tier without knowing the fundamentals of the character and not having much experience against him. People are still having the stigma that some characters are fundamentally bad and others conform to the idea the character is bad until someone makes results with them or does something quite big.
In chess the way to evaluate the worth of a trade solely by the pieces involved is based on their point value. Pawns are worth 1, Knights 3, Bishops 3.5, Rooks 5, Queens 9 and the king is invaluable. If you can trade a knight for the opponent's rook without a position disadvantage you do it. A rook and a king can checkmate the other king but a knight and a king cannot.
Yah I know. JJRockets graduated and is traveling everywhere, but he's Luke the only one that travels (Demitus does go places too).
Okay my last post because this is super off-topic.
Shouldn't Ron, 9B, and Aba be at least Top 10?
Just cos knights are useful doesn't mean you don't trade them for a Rook in the blink of an eye.
So what you're telling me is that i, as a nearly 30-year old college grad with a job that gives me weekends off, should somehow become a top player.
This is a very good point. How do you think the difference in stage lists affects the viability of characters? I can see characters who must approach like ganon banning FD and doing better on the conservative Japanese stage list.
SHAD is pretty bad. At top level play it becomes punish bait. Why do you have to do an airdodge? just jump and do a normal upair. The airdodge adds nothing to it.
SHAD is really good with Palu and Mewtwo.
It's not impossible. Did you know Daigo is a nurse? The main things that bring about a top player are the right environment and circumstances. Daigo is in Japan with the arcades still surviving. His job is shift based and he just needs a quota for the week.
You have me intrigued. What do you really think greninja is?
This fact completely flew over my head. I forget how small japan is compared to the US.
The main thing is what I mentioned earlier about duck hunt. He requires creativity for optimized gameplay. Look into different orders for projectile tossing or how to use your projectiles for edge guarding. He's a character you'd want some training mode time for cooking up projectile combinations, but execution will likely be a minor thing in comparison.
Don't forget he wrote a book and has a manga on him as well and used to play Shogi for a small period of time. Besides that point still holds.
As in?
For real.
Well, there's another big problem going on with Smash players besides these two, and in fact, there are multiple ranging from Stigma, very poor experience against a character and especially what irks me the most, the fact that people (on Smash Ladder) say a character's bad and when you (representing said trashed character) ask for a match for them, and they decline. How are they then supposed to know if the character in question is good or bad if they don't accept the match?
there are no bans
Wonder how many people try Mewtwo just so that they can john his light weight for losing...
I don't really think Sheik needs any changes beyond small tweaks to her hitboxes and recovery. While many characters hate the Sheik MU, it's definitely not invalidating IMO, and I can't think of any character that would be a "better" top tier from a balance standpoint.
She needs tweaks here and there. Namely the recovery on her moves (or the lack thereof), the invincibility on her Up B's startup, and her needles just being stupid on shield stun.
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You said that greninja is plagued with stereotypes and stigmas and such. What do you think greninja truly is, and what do you believe greninja would be like if his meta was indeed optimized?
People here say that others exaggerate how much his weight holds him back, but I don't see what he has to compensate for it.
This reminds me, there's a common mid-low tier mentality that relates to this which should be called out more often.
Dangerous trap I'm clawing my way out of.
Mewtwo has a neutral game that is considerably better than all of the heavyweight characters that you have mentioned because of his projectile, reflector, and air speed. On the other hand, Mewtwo's disadvantage state would be helped by an increase in weight (In my opinion, Mewtwo could be a solid mid tier character if he had average weight). The main tools that I know that Mewtwo has to compensate for his weight are teleporting to the ground (teleport can cancel on platforms) and a really good airdodge.
