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CosmicCosmos actually just won a 108 entrant Shockwave last night using almost all pikachu. Granted a handful of usual top guys like Karna, Denti, Dakpo, weren't there but he looked pretty dominant the whole tourney. Only lost one game with pika that I saw. Z is also a really good pika, though he's not winning regionals or anything.
Anything regarding Kenny?
I also don't want to pick on individual choices, but I often see people group Samus in with the projectile characters when she really isn't. The only projectile I use is CS. I use missiles almost never, maybe against Ganon and not really even then.If we were to make a Venn Diagram based on these proposed main characteristics...
Pure Brawler:
Pure Gunner:
Pure Swordsman:
Brawler/Gunner:
Swordsman/Brawler:
Gunner/Swordsman:
Brawler: primarily hand to hand combat, not a lot of projectiles
Gunner: lot of projectiles, lot of disjointed hitboxes, playstyle tends to revolve around projectiles and using them properly
Swordsman: primarily a sword, usually don't have a projectile
Brawler/Gunner: primarily hand to hand combat but projectiles and/or reflectors are a very big part of their gameplay
Brawler/swordsman: lots of disjointed hitboxes with a lot of physical attacks thrown in and maybe a projectile
Gunner/swordsman: tend to be very projectile reliant and typically fight with a disjointed weapon
Kirby still complety obiliterates zss. He can duck under down smash.
according to the video, d-smash -> flip kick works on:
(it did say it's a bit trickier for diddy though)
I wonder how this will effect the greninja MU? It was even due to the ability to shadow sneak out of combos and boost kick.
not really?
To be honest, Kenny isn't that good in the grand scheme of Smash. On anthers' he's only a Silver II. To give you an idea for how lackluster that is, Tweek got to Gold I with Lucas-only. There are like 13 wifi-only pikachus that are higher-ranked than Kenny. Kenny seldom does well at Xanadu which is, to be blunt, not very "stacked." Unless another region is coming in, the only good players at Xanadu are Boss and Seagull.
I'm pretty sure there is no debate (if there was any beforehand) that ZSS is second-best in the game now. I mean, this isnt a huge deal since she can still get even earlier kills out of downthrow and this dsmash chain only works on a portion of the cast but she now has better matchups with Diddy and Sheik.
Also she doesn't have a sword in this game, Zelda's probably resembles swordsman moreso than the others since she's very spacing-reliant, has some disjoints and doesn't like close range combat so much. She's probably a Gunner/Swordsman when taking Phantom into consideration.If we were to make a Venn Diagram based on these proposed main characteristics...
Pure Brawler:
Pure Gunner:
Pure Swordsman:
Brawler/Gunner:
Swordsman/Brawler:
Gunner/Swordsman:
Brawler: primarily hand to hand combat, not a lot of projectiles
Gunner: lot of projectiles, lot of disjointed hitboxes, playstyle tends to revolve around projectiles and using them properly
Swordsman: primarily a sword, usually don't have a projectile
Brawler/Gunner: primarily hand to hand combat but projectiles and/or reflectors are a very big part of their gameplay
Brawler/swordsman: lots of disjointed hitboxes with a lot of physical attacks thrown in and maybe a projectile
Gunner/swordsman: tend to be very projectile reliant and typically fight with a disjointed weapon
ought to be thankful for quick shurikens. He can force approaches now, thnx sakurai! ^_^ 
) overrated Pikachu and Villager.He typically enters as Kenrawr and doesn't usually place top 8.
Happy Thanksgiving, nerds!
Speaking of which, what does your main have to be thankful for?
I know my main
This happened a while ago but you get the point.......
is thankful for the forward throw buff he got on July.
Those linkin me the zss vid I've known about the dsmash lock for a while. Its just really rare for someone to hit someone at zero % w dsmash
— Nairo (@NairoMK) November 26, 2015
this is only exacerbated given almost all of the characters it works on generally shouldn't be hit at 0% by DSmash to begin with, much less with the optimal stage positioning needed to perform the lock.
you may think this is main bias but I think Shulk should stay where he is. maybe at the top of C+I know I'm late for posting this, but r/smashbros had released another monthly tier list!
The placements shown go as follows:
S
A+
A
A-
B+
B
B-
C+
C
C-
My thoughts: I really wish they didn't get rid of the D tier as I believe at least Jiggs and Zelda should go down there. But here are the rest of my thoughts in bullet-point form.
- MK should be higher than pretty much every character in the A- tier.
- Greninja is too low. Should at least be at the bottom of B+ or top of B.
- Little Mac and Falco are a bit too high. Shulk is also too high. All should go in C tier (Falco in C+)
- Several people in recent days have told me and themselves that Mario should switch places with Pika. While I do agree Pika should be a bit lower, I similarly do not see Mario being in the Top 4. I'll just ignore their placements and move on.
- Pit and Dark Pit should be right next to each other (Pit being one place higher).
- Roy is still overhyped (at least this time he is where he deserves to be: below Ike).
- Lucas is still overhyped.
- Falcon is overrated. I don't really see him being A tier anymore when he has horrendous MUs against at least 3 of the top/high tiers (Sheik, Ryu, and Pikachu), though I suppose Fatality's 5th place finish at FPS is convincing enough to at least put him at the top of B+ or bottom of A-.
- Mewtwo is way too low. It's clear that no one really focuses on his advantages that much. No way is he worse than someone like Jiggs or Ganon.
- Sonic may or may not be slightly too low. True, Komikiri has been getting good results with the character, though I don't recall too many in America, and I'm pretty sure people are getting adjusted to fighting him.
- Olimar is a tad too low as well. May be appropriately placed in regards to results, but still.
- Overall this list is certainly better than the last list, but I still think there could be things fine-tuned.
2-3 matchups where he does better is still something! Anything to eliminate the really dull Mario mirror match is always nice to have in the game too.
Wat r u talking about? I'm confused
The superior arrows make a big difference for edgeguarding and general harassment. The uppercut KOing vertically is also far more consistent.Why is that on every tier list dark pit and pit are always apart? Do people just not know there's little difference between them?
I mean these guys:
... Why? If you say something like this without giving good reasons then it sounds very much like main bias.
At this point I think the Fair buffs should be mentioned too because now he kills fastfallers off of grab 100% reliably because D-Throw > Fair. Reading the DI is ez. Very relevant (esp. in the Fox MU), I think it keeps him competitive in MOST fastfaller MUs (ZSS is still ugh)I mean these guys:
They finally have the specs they were meant to or should have had in Melee were it not for the game being rushed. To a lesser extent you could say the same for Bowser.
Dr. Mario is just that unfortunate case where his intended philosophy makes him worse by design in Smash. But it still makes him far more distinct than most clones, and recently got buffs (dat usmash) to make it even more apparent.
Did a patch happen for these characters that I'm unaware of? Outside of cloud and shield changes, I don't remember a super recent patch for anybody in smash.I mean these guys:
They finally have the specs they were meant to or should have had in Melee were it not for the game being rushed. To a lesser extent you could say the same for Bowser.
Dr. Mario is just that unfortunate case where his intended philosophy makes him worse by design in Smash. But it still makes him far more distinct than most clones, and recently got buffs (dat usmash) to make it even more apparent.
I mean compared to Melee.
Doc, funnily enough, actually had faster airspeed than Mario in Melee.
I don't think that Shulk is in the league with dedede and charizard. shulks frame data is bad but not bad as dedede's. He is unviable but not bottom 10 imo
Not enough for pit to be high and ebony pit to be high mid. They should both be next to each other, but there is always two, three, or even four chars. In between.
Shulk's frame data is actually worse than D3 and Charizard
