Not relevant to the thread, but a correction: G3 Wii U viewers peaked at ~90k, Melee at ~110k. I don't know where those other numbers came from.
A mid-day comparison of both games (when the Melee fanboys were laughing about it).
Fox's Down-B is more broken by itself than Sheik's entire character. Let's also not forget that the combination of set knockback, high hitstun, and high falling speeds allow it to kill at basically any percent.
Even then, Fox is also miles upon miles upon miles more broken than Sheik even without shine. His only weakness is that he's light; in a game where how early deaths happen is loosely tied to weight at best.
Melee has wavedashing as the great equalizer, though, allowing characters with worse frame data still a chance to flourish due to unorthodox methods of approach.
If Brawl had had wavedashing, who knows where the game would be right now.
And SSB4 doesn't have it or anything like it, so frame data and toolkits are really all we have to go on.
To say that Smash 4 will die just because there might not be anymore balance patches is to say that no one actually liked playing or watching the game, which is simply untrue.
Again, SSB4 doesn't have the advanced techs that Melee does (which have ironically kept the meta developing onward for the past 15 years).
Unless we discover wavedashing in SSB4 or something similar, nothing is going to magically make the inferior frame data of many characters better.
Also, no one said "no one likes or watches the game" (though a lot of Melee players would say this), but the numbers on the Melee stream were around 25k while SSB4 was 14k.
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I can replace sheik and ZSS in your posts with zero and nairo and it would still fit pretty well.
If Zero and Nairo quit SSB4 to join the circus tomorrow, tournaments would still be largely dominated by ZSSheiks.
Why do people think Zero and Nairo are
good enough to take nationals the way they do, but at the same time
dumb enough to not be using the best characters in the game?
If anything, Genesis 3 proved that this game would be fine character-wise if it'd stay this way forever. But of course it would be even better with some tweeking, but it's not like "PATCH OR DIE".
...Which is why we want the tweaking.
Here's the thing about SSB4...
Because of balance patches, it means that they can correct many of the mistakes that went into the game. Hell, Diddy would still be Uairing people out of SSB4 and back into Melee if not for balance patches.
As it stands, a sizable chunk of the roster is invalidated by some combination of ZSSheik. Some of those characters still need buffs either way (like poor DH), but a good number of them have decent matchups against the higher tiers and, with some meta development, could possibly be considered tournament threats.
But that's not going to happen as long as ZSSheik are as overtuned as they are. Really, I've watched DK Will get destroyed by a ZSS player who was comparatively new to ZSS, even though he's been playing DK since Brawl and has played him all through SSB4's life (and yes, it was post ding-dong patch).
If someone is content watching nothing but ZSSheik matches for the rest of SSB4's lifespan, that's their opinion and they're entitled to it, but the tournament scene is only made better by each additional character who could potentially take a big tournament, both for the people who play the game AND for those who watch it.[/QUOTE]
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