Changing the Europe Subboard

[Utto]

As for the part of people not caring about making tier lists, rulesets etc.: Apparently, there are people caring, otherwise we wouldn't have created our European BR forum, started discussing rulesets, and would talk about making a tierlist based on the European metagame - which was an idea initiated by a Dutch player.

I'm sure there will be a number of players interested in discussing all that stuff, I'm just not so sure if there will be that many. But then again, what's many? I guess some is better than none already. Anyway, I think the tournaments come first and then the discussion follows, so let it be known that I am more of a tournament person than a discussion person. Both are necessary though, so I'll fully support this topic.

Also, I like how you bold what is important in your posts. I don't think I have ever seen anyone do that on a regular basis.

 

[K@0S]

We almost all agree; now we need answers from above, to start a real discussion

 

[Marcbri]

Then I think we can add Portugal and Spain to The Rest, which means there would be 6 subboards (British Isles, Scandinavia, France, Benelux, German, Rest). Still quite a lot, but not as much as before.

I agree with this 6 subboards.

about the other forums, let's see. I think we should have

-General european discussion
-Tournament listings
-Regional zones
-and maybe tournament results

that's all, no online and things like those. ( who cares about online lol)

 

[Fuzzyness]

i made this post in the staffer shack

"well im just saying I mentioned it then it was discussed. To be honest the Europe section is very unobvious to find on smashboards if you're new and looking for the community. The European community is a lot bigger than it used to and it deserves a lot more attention rather than being stored into a section called "regional zones" and being right at the bottom of that list.
Moving the European section may also help newcomers find what they need upon coming to this website and also on the side give the European community a boost knowing they are a big grown/growing community than just a "regional zone".

Also the fact because we only have one section on the boards we are crammed into such a small section having all the regions posting their tournaments/smashfests/European tournaments/statistics/help threads inside...

I just think people want more space to organize this without it looking so messy, a few European countries use their own forums now too because they feel they want some in-dependence for their own tournaments,smashfests and discussions (this is where regional sections for communities may come in handy, and also be a lot more specific for what people are looking for). A lot of this has already been mentioned in this thread:

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=233517 "

 

[Samochan]

I don't think there is any hope for people that are not that adept in english language to get into european section, then search for the correct thread of their own country. I've come across some finns who've joined swf, but only lately found out there was actually a finnish thread here. <_<

I do think moving europe out of that regional zonel subforum would help new players locating correct forum area a lot. I dunno if general european discussion would gather much people however, as many tend to enjoy spending time on forums of their own language and so. But a section dedicated to europe only should have at least tournament discussion and listing (maybe perhaps fuse these two together, tourney results as well), general and regional zones.

Regional zones itself is a smash tournament subforum, which is kinda weird as everything other is about tournaments and such, not regional aspects such as community interaction. I wonder if an entirely new area separate from smash tournament should be created for regional zones for easier access. Sure it makes scrolling down take longer but hey, swf is already large lol.

 

[Red Arremer]

I agree with this 6 subboards.

about the other forums, let's see. I think we should have

-General european discussion
-Tournament listings
-Regional zones
-and maybe tournament results

that's all, no online and things like those. ( who cares about online lol)

Then I ask you:
If we have a Tournament Listings board, why would we need the Regions?
Wouldn't be national threads andregional threads for bigger communities such as the 3 big UK ones better than having subforums for it?

 

[stelzig]

Why is it that everyone includes Iceland and Finland in scandinavia these days... Nordic countries, but not scandinavian hehe. Looks fine to me though - and no i don't mind those 2 being put in the "scandinavia" board

 

[Samochan]

Why is it that everyone includes Iceland and Finland in scandinavia these days... Nordic countries, but not scandinavian hehe. Looks fine to me though - and no i don't mind those 2 being put in the "scandinavia" board

It's close enough, fennosscandia. >_> Strictly speaking, geographically some northern part of lapland belongs to scandinavia but w/e. I think it just has been established as such when people refer to scandinavia.

Heck, I didn't know any better either till I checked from wikipedia. Before that I was going wtf man what are you saying.

 

[stelzig]

Well maybe it's just in Denmark that we always only use the word scandinavia when talking only Denmark, Sweden, Norway. And nordic otherwise - Such as internordic camp which is an arrangement between 4 big cities in Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and Finland (Århus, Bergen, Gothenburg, Åbo).

But yeah whatever it doesn't matter lol. I'm just not used to the last 2 being included when referring to scandinavia

 

[Red Arremer]

It's common to group Finland and Iceland together with Scandinavia. It usually means Northern Europe in most regions. I know it's wrong... I should've guessed someone would come in and make stress because of it. <.<

 

[Aiko]

Problem: There players who cannot find the European section. (We are quietly tucked away under regional tournaments). When they manage to find the Europe section, they have to read a ton of thread titles to find their country.

Reason: Europe consists of many countries, similar to how US consists of many states.

Solution: Split Europe into regions based on size and activity and have a general European section aswell. Theres no point for smaller, less active countries having separate sections if they only have 1 post in it.
The Us has their own subforums for several states, so why shouldn't we have separate subforums for european regions?

There is clearly no problem with them being separate, so there would be no reason for us either.

 

[Red Arremer]

The problem is that while the US have their regions split, they also have far more players than we do. You say the UK has around 100 active members... that's cool, but far too little to make an own subboard. Even if tucked together with the Irish.

I personally think that splitting into regional zones is warranted once the communities are big enough to separate from General Europe stuff. However, the most important thing for us Europeans as of now is:
Splitting our board into a "General Europe" and a "Tournaments" subboard, as well as getting a section on the frontpage.

It shouldn't be that the whole European community has to be crammed in the subboard of a subboard of a subboard.

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

I'm late to the party as per usual so don't burn me if I mess up

Are we basically trying to a more organized European sub section rather than having a single section filled with everything like other areas of SWF? Is this so we can organize international tourneys more often and get a tier list etc etc all together?

It's probably already been said but we could really do with lots of members to help support this idea. Gather all the European people up and stuff. Also, moving the European board to be more visible is an excellent idea. I honestly thought that such scenes in the UK for example didn't even exist partially because I couldn't find the Board. It stuck right at the bottom of the tourney section below the Brawl sections and when you don't really know your way around forums, chances are you're mostly likely going to see the Brawl sections and think 'Oooo great I've found what everything I need to look for' and not bother looking furthur

What about character discussion areas? Would we have a section for them or something? I imagine it'd be pretty difficult since some characters are going to have very very little users...

 

[Red Arremer]

No, we don't need exclusive character boards just for us Europeans. That would make no sense.

 

[stelzig]

It's common to group Finland and Iceland together with Scandinavia. It usually means Northern Europe in most regions. I know it's wrong... I should've guessed someone would come in and make stress because of it. <.<

I still only stressed it because i've been hearing it so much lately, and i'm not used to it ._. (it's not common here wether you like it or not )

Carry on

Edit: Argh i can't let this go now though... I checked wikipedia myself after samo mentioned it, and the northern countries also include the uk. As i said these 5 are the nordic countries... Yeah just ignore me lol.

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

No, we don't need exclusive character boards just for us Europeans. That would make no sense.

Good because if we were going to try that out I'd object anyway. Just checking that's all

 

[Marcbri]

Then I ask you:
If we have a Tournament Listings board, why would we need the Regions?
Wouldn't be national threads andregional threads for bigger communities such as the 3 big UK ones better than having subforums for it?

well, I don't really now how active are the others regions here at SWF so I can't see if it's enough with threads or we do need regional boards for the most important countries.

if the threads we have now don't have the need of having a subforum, then we don't need regional boards.

 

[Fuzzyness]

lol stop trying to make things even more separated and complicated with the extra subforums

we just need an expansion to show we exist, and have separate regions

also the main regional zone page needs cleaning into sections such as America, Europe, ETC because there's too much randomness there. Doing so we can also have some discussion threads in the Europe section

 

[Tero.]

well, I don't really now how active are the others regions here at SWF so I can't see if it's enough with threads or we do need regional boards for the most important countries.

if the threads we have now don't have the need of having a subforum, then we don't need regional boards.

It would be a good start to get at least a Tournament Listing board and a General Discussion board with topics for each country. However this won't help much if some countries have discussion topics for each city/region and some only have one for the whole country.

Active countries would post, less active countries/topics would go down and there wouldn't be much difference because it still would be a mess.

(I'm talking mostly of the UK people and the dutchies because they are most active).

So above mentioned solution would make our problem a bit better but that's not enough, so I'm still in favor of having subboards for the more active countries/group of countries.

It shouldn't make a big difference for SWF staff anyway.

 

[King Funk]

also the main regional zone page needs cleaning into sections such as America, Europe, ETC because there's too much randomness there.

100% agreed here.

I also agree with .Tero on the 2 subforums idea:
- "General European Discussion" (with national threads, subjects, etc.)
- "Tournament Listings" (for players to find tournaments in their countries)

Oh, and as I said on the tier list thread, bring as many people as you can to keep it alive. You do need the structures first, but once that's done, you need to populate these structures.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Having an european "Tournament Listing" section is BS imo. The regular "Tourney Listing" section can be used by anybody, so I don't see why the EU needs a seperate one. The only thing I'd change are the EU subboards...instead of having one for Europe it'd be better to go more regional due to different languages, scenes etc.

I'd seperate them into german speaking (germany, austria, swiss), south (Spain, Portugal, Italy), France, Scadenavia, Britain and Benelux. That's honestly all we need. That nationalism crap Blad/others come up with is really disgusting imo. We don't want to seperate ourselves too much from each other or the other SWF communities, we just want sections for ourselves but demanding a seperation of the SBR into an EBR and an american one is garbage.

 

[Blad01]

Having an european "Tournament Listing" section is BS imo. The regular "Tourney Listing" section can be used by anybody, so I don't see why the EU needs a seperate one. The only thing I'd change are the EU subboards...instead of having one for Europe it'd be better to go more regional due to different languages, scenes etc.

I'd seperate them into german speaking (germany, austria, swiss), south (Spain, Portugal, Italy), France, Scadenavia, Britain and Benelux. That's honestly all we need. That nationalism crap Blad/others come up with is really disgusting imo. We don't want to seperate ourselves too much from each other or the other SWF communities, we just want sections for ourselves but demanding a seperation of the SBR into an EBR and an american one is garbage.

Except that I don't even want regional sections, which would be pretty useless imo (well more organized, but also near empty), I'd prefer a "General Europe" subboard (just like this one), a "Tournament" one, and the "EBBR" section. That's basically what Tero suggested.

Separating the SBR into American one / European one is logical, once again : There is an American metagame, and there will be a European metagame. There isn't any worldwide metagame (that could exist some day with really big tournaments), so why should the SBR be worlwide ?

Anyways, I won't post again until we get an anwser from the SWF staff.

 

[Tero.]

Except that I don't even want regional sections, which would be pretty useless imo (well more organized, but also near empty), I'd prefer a "General Europe" subboard (just like this one), a "Tournament" one, and the "EBBR" section. That's basically what Tero suggested.

Separating the SBR into American one / European one is logical, once again : There is an American metagame, and there will be a European metagame. There isn't any worldwide metagame (that could exist some day with really big tournaments), so why should the SBR be worlwide ?

Anyways, I won't post again until we get an anwser from the SWF staff.

Actually I said I would prefer separate sections for each community (group of countries), but I would also agree on a general section and a tournament section.

I don't really care as long as we get anything at all.
We just need something to start with.

This topic is here for a few days now and I would like to hear the opinion of SWF admins/staff since we can't do it without their permission. So where you at?

 

[_Nives_]

Nice idee i swear you can sucsess ^^

 

[King Funk]

instead of having one for Europe it'd be better to go more regional due to different languages, scenes etc.

I'd seperate them into german speaking (germany, austria, swiss), south (Spain, Portugal, Italy), France, Scadenavia, Britain and Benelux. That's honestly all we need. That nationalism crap Blad/others come up with is really disgusting imo. We don't want to seperate ourselves too much from each other or the other SWF communities, we just want sections for ourselves but demanding a seperation of the SBR into an EBR and an american one is garbage.

It's a common mistake, but the italian, spanish and portuguese languages have almost nothing to do with each other. A bit like the tourists who think that they can speak spanish to portuguese people.

I agree with Blad, I am also against country/regional boards because:
--> we wouldn't be uniting the communities, but only bringing them here still to keep them separated --> which would be a huge waste of time and resources --> and has no use at all because they could still remain in their own national forums and remain in the same situation.

One thing I know is that most people in the european smash community know how to speak english. Aren't we communicating in english? Why separate people with languages when we can all speak one? If we have problems with people not speaking english, we can help them out (I, for one, definitely will, I speak 6 languages).

 

[Red Arremer]

It's a common mistake, but the italian, spanish and portuguese languages have almost nothing to do with each other. A bit like the tourists who think that they can speak spanish to portuguese people.

I didn't know Portugal, Spain and Italy weren't Southern Europe, though.

(I, for one, definitely will, I speak 6 languages).

Wow, I definitely envy you.

 

[Red Arremer]

Sorry for the doublepost, but to bump this (and the tierlist/Backroom topic as well)...

Any news from the staff or you in general, Marc?

 

[Tero.]

No because they probably give a fukc about Europe ...

 

[Marc]

Actually, there has been a lot of discussion in the Staffer Shack. Keep in mind these things take time and only a small group of people can actually help out.

Plans have yet to be finalized, but the Europe section will get a major overhaul and should become more visible on SWF. Expect more information in the next few days.

 

[Red Arremer]

Thanks for the heads up, Marc.

We just didn't know what was happening at all, so I was asking how everything is. At least we now know that discussions are ongoing.

 

[Blad01]

Actually, there has been a lot of discussion in the Staffer Shack. Keep in mind these things take time and only a small group of people can actually help out.

Plans have yet to be finalized, but the Europe section will get a major overhaul and should become more visible on SWF. Expect more information in the next few days.

Good news, keep us informed

 

[Tero.]

It still would be fine if someone shows up here (like some of us allready asked), showing that they actually care just a little bit.

 

[Blad01]

It still would be fine if someone shows up here (like some of us allready asked), showing that they actually care just a little bit.

Yes, I would actually prefer if the staff could discuss here with us...
But well, it is probably asking too much at the same time

 

[Red Arremer]

Well I think they already know what we would like to have.

It's upon them to discuss how exactly the new section would look like, after all. Just be patient.

 

[Frozenwave]

Kick out all the people from UK

Problem solved

 

[Charby]

What a sweet idea ^^"

 

[Professor Pro]

If the UK was gone the European boards would be the doo dooest place on smashboards. We hold this place together and I supply the entertainment.

 

[Tero.]

We should all take this smashboards survey http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=7427356#post7427356 and write "bigger eurpean section and european back room" when they ask about improving smashboards.

 

[Marc]

Okay, several things are going to happen.

-Europe will become more visible on the boards. This will probably be done by putting all American regional subforums under one forum so we're not buried in American regions.
-Europe will not have a separate back room, but will have a separate forum for competitive discussion. This can also be considered a breeding ground for the SBR, as roughly 2 Europeans every 2 months will be admitted to the SBR as we know it to further European integration on SWF. I imagine we discuss topics like European communication and possibly a tier list in the competitive discussion forum, it simply won't be as elitist as a back room.
-We get to discuss how we want to split up the European forum. Do we need to split up the regions? A social board perhaps? I've seen some very good suggestions already, but now is the time to speak up.

 

[Tero.]

Okay, several things are going to happen.

-Europe will become more visible on the boards. This will probably be done by putting all American regional subforums under one forum so we're not buried in American regions.

oh well, that's ok I guess...

-Europe will not have a separate back room, but will have a separate forum for competitive discussion. This can also be considered a breeding ground for the SBR, as roughly 2 Europeans every 2 months will be admitted to the SBR as we know it to further European integration on SWF.

I don't like this solution at all.
Any reason why we won't get our own BR? Do they think we are not good enough for something elitist as a BR?
Why don't let like 2 people per country join NOW so we actually have representatives of each region ?
If they let 2 people every months join it will be like: first all dutch players, then all swedish, then every other country and when we have a representative for each country there will be a SSB4 BR ~.~

I imagine we discuss topics like European communication and possibly a tier list in the competitive discussion forum, it simply won't be as elitist as a back room.

Yeah this will be so great!
I can't wait to discuss tier lists and stuff with someone who hasn't been to a tournament yet and spams B moves on WiFi.
Thank you SWF for so much EU love.

-We get to discuss how we want to split up the European forum. Do we need to split up the regions? A social board perhaps? I've seen some very good suggestions already, but now is the time to speak up.

I don't think we need a social board. Social talk will end up in the region boards anyway.
I suggest to have at least a general discussion board and region boards with groups of countries like we allready mentioned.