Chain camp list

[saviorslegacy]

So I asked <3 if he would help me test who all could be Chain Camped and he said yes.
So here is what we found.

video- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM9t-tt9K6c


Fire Balls


Fire Balls


Turnips


Fire Breath


Ground Pound


Banana's


Eggs


Wheels


Zair
Arrow
Boomerang
Bomb


Fire Balls

:shiek:
Needle's


camped


Arrow
Boomerang
Bomb


Zair
Missile
Power Beam
Bomb


FSmash
Stun Pistol
Plasma Whip


Light Arrow


Blizzard


Laser


Stone
Final Cutter


camped


f-tilt


camped


camped


Laser


Laser


camped


Thunder Jolt
Thunder


sh*t


Withdraw


Razor Leaf


Fire Breath


Aura Sphere


camped


camped


camped


guess


PK Freeze
PK Thunder
PK Fire


Bacon


C-4
(IDK... forgot to test)


Spring
(can be camped under a platform)


7-8 people can be Chain camped.
30-31 people cannot be camped.
Owell, at least this destroys Olimar (and pretty much Meta Knight)!

 

[thexsunrosered]

cool
now teach me how to lock :]

 

[Tristan_win]

Are you 100% sure about Olimar because I'm very sure he can grab you out of it with his blue pikmen.

 

[saviorslegacy]

Are you 100% sure about Olimar because I'm very sure he can grab you out of it with his blue pikmen.

Yes, <3 wasn't able to do it once.

lol, will kill/hurt his Pikmin before he can barely perform most of his moves.
I see this match up in our favor now.

 

[smashkng]

And can Marth and Ike Counter the chain (it has extremely high priority)? And this looks like a new form of stalling, not just camping.

 

[stealth3654]

Can't Marth just air dodge next to you then up B?

 

[saviorslegacy]

And can Marth and Ike Counter the chain (it has extremely high priority)? And this looks like a new form of stalling, not just camping.

Yes, they can counter.
The cool thing is you can also not attack so they'll not counter. More like a mind game IMO.

Not stalling, camping (see Samus/ Olimar).

Can't Marth just air dodge next to you then up B?

Have fun air dodging NEXT to you.

 

[stealth3654]

Did you or <3 test it? I find it kind of hard to believe that Marth can't air dodge near enough to up B you.

 

[smashkng]

Yes, they can counter.
The cool thing is you can also not attack so they'll not counter. More like a mind game IMO.

Not stalling, camping (see Samus/ Olimar).

Have fun air dodging NEXT to you.

But with Marth because Counter is faster than human reaction as well as his fair is also really fast, so basically Marth can be camped til he predicts Sheik.

 

[Tristan_win]

5-30 / 49 Marth

Starting frame 5 Marth become invincible and his invincibility ends on frame 30. His air dodge ends on frame 49 so he can be punish while in mid air dodge for 19 frames.

The chain can attack every 2 frames so hypothetically it is possible...

edit: Big Opps, I was looking at the wrong data at first but I fix my post

 

[Fino]

This thread makes me lol so hard.


~Fino

 

[Tesh]

DK and IKE can't use super armor on it? Punch and Eruption, or is it just not enough to get through close enough?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

This thread makes me lol so hard.


~Fino

Pretty much this.

Revolutionize metagame by chaincamping MK, sheik now MK counter. GG

 

[<π]

OH yeah giant punch and eruption, those should work. giant punch definitely eruption many not have enough range under ike to work in frame perfect conditions.

I personally still think shain camping doesn't work. Frame perfection is very hard to achive.

 

[saviorslegacy]

DK and IKE can't use super armor on it? Punch and Eruption, or is it just not enough to get through close enough?

Hmm.. we forgot. >,<

Pretty much this.

Revolutionize metagame by chaincamping MK, sheik now MK counter. GG

I know that what you said was sarcasm but that is what I want. At least for me.

OH yeah giant punch and eruption, those should work. giant punch definitely eruption many not have enough range under ike to work in frame perfect conditions.

I personally still think shain camping doesn't work. Frame perfection is very hard to achive.

Nice Mr. Creative

*you also think Chain itself is useless.
-_-

Spoiler

lol, j/k

 

[<π]

well chain lock isn't hoorible. just hard to get. worth trys at low percents.

 

[Judo777]

we cant camp marth or ike because counter turns it into a guessing game and if we guess wrong we are getting hit. Also olimar can grab us out of chain with blue pikmin simply because we can not use the chain at max range every 2 frames it takes longer to strike at max range and oli just has to try to grab twice to get us. Im not entirely sure if the chains max range beat oli but it definitely doesnt at average range.

and i still dont see how we can camp fox unless we have an entire stock lead cause he can rack up dmg and just wait. not to mention even we do have a stock lead at this point fox has an infinite number of trys to wait for us to mess up once cause regardless of his dmg our chain wont kill him.

 

[saviorslegacy]

we cant camp marth or ike because counter turns it into a guessing game and if we guess wrong we are getting hit. Also olimar can grab us out of chain with blue pikmin simply because we can not use the chain at max range every 2 frames it takes longer to strike at max range and oli just has to try to grab twice to get us. Im not entirely sure if the chains max range beat oli but it definitely doesnt at average range.

and i still dont see how we can camp fox unless we have an entire stock lead cause he can rack up dmg and just wait. not to mention even we do have a stock lead at this point fox has an infinite number of trys to wait for us to mess up once cause regardless of his dmg our chain wont kill him.

True, but if we are under a platform then it is very unlikely that the can do anything for they cannot go through the front part of the Chain and counter.
The original idea was that they would counter and fall on top of us.

*We KILL Pikmin.
He did try to grab me... it didn't work.


<3, you up for some retesting later today?

 

[Judo777]

I did some testing today on oli. You cant kill pikmin that are grabbing. Your only hope is to outrange him and if olimar is at the right distance he can grab us and we cant hit him. This is only with blues. Plus we cant be perfect its just too hard to not get grabbed. On a side note chain camping oli offstage is awesome since he cant grab.

 

[<π]

nope, hosting a fest tonight... unless you wanna do it... RIGHT NOW!

 

[Tristan_win]

...I'm sorry Savior and <3 but for the longest time I've been saying that Sheik could camp Olimar IF he couldn't simply out range her with his grab. I don't want to be stubborn but until I see it first hand that the none jacked chain can stop Olimar blue pikman will I recognize this.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

What about purple? Purple can't die instantly.

 

[Tristan_win]

What about purple? Purple can't die instantly.

The range is so much smaller that sheik can hit Olimar before he can enter range. Olimar using his blue to grab is just barely out of range to begin with.

 

[DanGR]

Whites have the same, or very close to the same, grab range as blues and are is considerably quicker. If anything, see if whites can grab past it.

If all else fails, the Olimar player could toss all but yellows and whites off stage, and then throw the yellows over the chain while going for grabs with whites. I doubt the chain will cover both at all times. That or throw yellows over while spamming yellow fsmashes. (extra disjointed range) *shrugs*

edit: Billy, we should test this.

 

[#HBC | Scary]

Martha beats it. HRnut and Chaz both caught me with perfect spaced shield breakers. I don't think chain can reach.

Also, olimar takes the chain pretty hard. I think only a purple pikmin beats it. I was able to ultra camp fearless till he chucked one of those fat b******s at me.

 

[sniperworm]

Chain camping requires very good prediction and fast reflexes. That effectively rules it out for me regardless of how effective it might be theoretically.

The range is so much smaller that sheik can hit Olimar before he can enter range. Olimar using his blue to grab is just barely out of range to begin with.

I'm pretty sure he was referring to this:

Also, olimar takes the chain pretty hard. I think only a purple pikmin beats it. I was able to ultra camp fearless till he chucked one of those fat b******s at me.

Olimar's side B with purple fatties.

 

[saviorslegacy]

Fatties= killed

:TEST:

 

[Cold Fusion]

How is chain-camping supposed to be done?

EDIT: Disregard this post, I did not see the video in the OP.

EDIT 2: After watching the vid, this did not seem very promising. I need to see it in am actual fight.

 

[Judo777]

It has nothing to do with purples. Regardless of how strong the pikmin is its is negated by the hitstun of the chain if they are thrown. The exception to this rule is grabbing since u cant hit pikmin while they are grabbing. Blues and whites i believe have = grab range so they can both grab u the reason why we refer to the blue however is because blues back throw will freaking kill you if it lands at high percents. I blues can out range the chain and even if they couldnt you cant use the chain at max range nearly as rapidly as at short so it would be impossible to guard against an oli who was constantly trying to grab. Blues do out range it anyway and that comment about lobbing yellows and attacking at the same time was a really good point also.

 

[stealth3654]

After watching the vid, this did not seem very promising. I need to see it in an actual fight.

Same here. I would like to see it done in a tournament match.

 

[saviorslegacy]

Last time I checked Tristan and I are the only Sheik players that use the Chain. We also haven't mastered it/busy/can't got to tournies to show such a feat.

 

[Wolfric]

Chain have pros and cons, more cons than pros, sadly.

PS: Are you sure you can camp MK? Last I tested MK's Neutral B can get to you getting throught the chain.

 

[saviorslegacy]

Chain have pros and cons, more cons than pros, sadly.

PS: Are you sure you can camp MK? Last I tested MK's Neutral B can get to you getting throught the chain.

It's only con is that you can't walk while doing it. :/ Oh, and that you don't have constant super armor.
Also, it would be nice if it was a bit longer to that way we could camp about 3/4 of the cast. OH! it would also be nice if it would destroy more projectiles.
^k, there's the cons

No, MK cannot Nado through it. lol

 

[Judo777]

I use the chain all the time....

 

[saviorslegacy]

I use the chain all the time....

k, then three people
wait, I think ddonaldo also use's the Chain so make that 4.

4 out of to many -_-

 

[stealth3654]

I use the chain. I just don't chain camp with it.

 

[Dcold]

I use the chain really only to guess rolls before this. Like really tech chasing, hit em down and if they roll foward chain to get the tipped "shock" on them to send them back.

 

[#HBC | Scary]

I try to camp. I'm Actually alot better with it now. I definitely use the chain though lol

 

[Wolfric]

MK cannot pass throught it...? Okay, add me to thelist of guys that use the chain.

 

[saviorslegacy]

*inserts foot into mouth
I didn't realize so many people used it O-o