That Mario was stupidly aggressive/desperate and didn't spam Bair and camp hard enough against Snake.
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Carolina Brawl Power Rankings [1/27] Breaking Bad PRs!! YAY!
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TheLastCacely
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very nice, we need more of these detailed explanations.In general, Mario should be:
- Staying out of range of Snake's moves (especially ftilt and utilt)
- Getting in range for his own moves to land
- Performing combos at low percents to build damage
- Killing with gimps (especially using the cape) and smash attacks
- Catching and rethrowing grenades, and caping them (Snake can nade strip which makes this harder)
- Remembering and avoiding C4s and landmines
Detailed analysis:
0:13 - What happened: Mario spawns and immediately runs forward off the platform to the center of the stage. What he should have done: Mario is better off playing a little more campy to start with. He should be shooting fireballs, and either staying on the right platform, jumping to the top platform, or running backwards off the platform to the stage.
0:14 - What happened: Mario jumps and performs a uair, landing on the left platform where Snake spawned. However, by now Snake has dropped through the platform and pulled 2 grenades. What he should have done: This is an example of attacking where the opponent was, not where they will be. Snake could utilt, uair, or just shield and wait for the nades to explode. Mario could have dash grabbed Snake under the platform, short hop uaired under the platform, or stood and waited, because Snakes own nades put pressure on himself.
0:15 - What happened: Mario realizes his error and runs off the platform, using a bair to put pressure underneath the platform where Snake was. However, by now Snake has rolled to the center of the stage and Mario has accidentally landed right on top of him. Snake sees Mario coming towards him and shields out of his roll, powershielding Mario's bair pretty much by accident. What he should have done: Standing on a platform above Snake is dangerous. Usually the safest options are to full hop or double jump away (perhaps up to the top platform). Running off the edge the way he did is alright, but Snake could have punished him by waiting for the bair and ftilting or by picking up and throwing one of the nades.
0:16 - What happened: Mario's bair wasn't autocanceled, but it doesn't have much cooldown anyway. Mario knows that after powershielding, a lot of players will drop shield and try to attack or shield grab, so Mario uses his fast jab to punish that option. He uses all 3 parts of his jab combo, all of which connect and the knockback sends Snake out of Mario's range, and to the very edge of Snake's ftilt range. What he should have done: Mario could have grabbed, or done one or two jabs and then a different move (such as grab or ftilt) to do more damage. However, doing the full jab wasn't a bad option.
0:17 - What happened: Mario short hop fireballs while advancing. He lands behind where Snake was and tries to jab interrupt (probably buffered) in case anything happens. Meanwhile, Snake does both parts of ftilt and gets hit with the fireball during the second part. After getting hit and Mario jumping behind him, he shields. What he should have done: Standing just outside of Snake's ftilt range is a very delicate position for most characters. Many Snake players will ftilt, relying on its speed to avoid punishment for whiffing. Better Snakes might walk forward slightly and then ftilt, which is almost as fast and would put a lot of pressure on Mario. Short hop fireball is not a bad option, but Mario probably should have moved back slightly while doing it, instead of moving far forward. Another option would be to walk forward and shield, waiting for the ftilts with the intent to shield grab, or walk back. Snake also could have used his DACUS, which makes being on the ground anywhere in front of him risky. Short hop dair, short hop uair, and empty short hop are other potential options.
This is just the first 5 seconds of the match. The rest is left as an exercise to the player
313 please read all of this and absorb it.
Well think about it, if you had camped right away you wouldn't have been nearly 3 stocking him. What you SHOULD HAVE DONE was change your game up a lot the MOMENT you felt momentum shift. That's the best way to prevent a comeback like that, just be something that your opponent hasn't been fighting for the past game and kill momentum and the pace of the match if you have to lol. Also, I imagine micaelis may have been doing things like that on purpose: figuring you out early on then using the knowledge to read/**** you later on. It's a delayed knowledge thing I'm starting to think more Brawl players do/should do since matches take so long/mixup cycles go through so many times.
Then you need to work on being clutch as well I feel. That comes with experience but you need to recognize when a tense moment is approaching and not let emotion or tenseness get to you and just focus harder on the match/any sort of last minute tricks you can pull out to win.
Why do you think you went aggressive? Emotion?
Stockfield
Smash Champion
I kind of liked Marly's response better.
*CT*
Smash Lord
I know what I did wrong while playing my matches, I just let my emotions get to me and went super aggro in loser's bracket after losing to Stingers again.
All I should be doing with Fox is running around laser camping and punishing my opponent but I felt insecure against Rob with his lasers and gyros.
I thought about it after both my sets that I could have probably just tried to get a % lead and when they ledge guarded/ camped to just hold my reflector and wait for their approach.
I'm a bit tired after my shift, I'll read a bit more of the thread and discussion later on.
But I'm actually gonna practice at home instead of just playing smash at tournaments, also going to get critiques from a few top Fox players and watch videos, etc.
Kind of motivated but kind of not at the moment, thinking about picking up a pocket Diddy for the lawls.
All I should be doing with Fox is running around laser camping and punishing my opponent but I felt insecure against Rob with his lasers and gyros.
I thought about it after both my sets that I could have probably just tried to get a % lead and when they ledge guarded/ camped to just hold my reflector and wait for their approach.
I'm a bit tired after my shift, I'll read a bit more of the thread and discussion later on.
But I'm actually gonna practice at home instead of just playing smash at tournaments, also going to get critiques from a few top Fox players and watch videos, etc.
Kind of motivated but kind of not at the moment, thinking about picking up a pocket Diddy for the lawls.
*CT*
Smash Lord
lol that's what I do, you guys are always like "Where have you been?" I'm like "idk busy."
But its usually just hiatus for me though.
Sorry for the double post?
Are you gonna have Brawl at the next G6? I heard rumors you weren't and you said you'd see me at the next one but sadly I'm only entering Brawl events so I wouldn't be going if it was Melee exclusive.
Seagull carried my *** in teams
But I might try doing teams a bit more, maybe with a static MK partner I thought of some weird strategies that I want to test.
Black Mantis
Smash Hero
Thanks for the advice for my friends Mario lol. We should use this thread to critique fellow NC players. I know you all think I put those videos up to talk crap, but I really want to get critiqued on what to do better.
If you want to be critiqued on what to do better, you're better off putting videos up where you lose.
Black Mantis
Smash Hero
well whenever im playing pp that tends to happen alot
>___>
i've only beaten him once though
edit:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8z-YCfqUt0&feature=relmfu
critique this then
1. You roll too much
2. Your landing is predictable and completely unsafe
3. Not enough grenades
4. Too many Bairs
5. Not enough grenades
6. Why so aerial
7. Not enough grenades
8. Not enough grabs
9. Not enough grenades
10. Not enough grenades
Did I mention you didn't use enough grenades?
Ilove
Smash Cadet
Your main problems derive from your aerial game and your lack of adapting in this match. Specifically, you kept sidestepping/rolling when you hit the ground from an airdodge and fast-fall airdodged after jumping out of hitstun. To fix this, try implementing pivot c4ing/grenading as a mix-up to your airdodging; it'll put them in a bad position sometimes if they misread and you can take advantage of it. For everything else, just pay more attention pretty much. If you know why you're getting hit you can easily avoid/reverse **** situations.
Stockfield
Smash Champion
Yes definitely, I like how well we did in our first match against Kadaj/M2K.
*CT*
Smash Lord
Sweet most of the teams matches from Seagull are being put up as we speak subscribe to his channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/jraucher
http://www.youtube.com/user/jraucher
Seagull Joe
Smash Legend
All of doubles videos saved on my Wii are now on the channel. I have all of loser's finals and winner's finals, but you guys only saved one match from grand finals -.-.
Beginning to upload singles matches, but I might not do all of those tonight cause I have at least 30. Depends on how motivated I am lol. Doing them in order with Grand finals and loser's finals being the last things uploaded. Winner's finals of singles was saved on the Wii that was next to mine and so was my set with H1n1 and all the MM's I did except for the one versus Stingers's Rob. Does anyone have a link to whose channel those videos will be under?
Beginning to upload singles matches, but I might not do all of those tonight cause I have at least 30. Depends on how motivated I am lol. Doing them in order with Grand finals and loser's finals being the last things uploaded. Winner's finals of singles was saved on the Wii that was next to mine and so was my set with H1n1 and all the MM's I did except for the one versus Stingers's Rob. Does anyone have a link to whose channel those videos will be under?
stingers
Smash Obsessed
did you not save those or something?
Seagull Joe
Smash Legend
Grand finals of doubles only saved one match. I saved all of my singles/doubles matches on my Wii including grand and loser's finals. All of doubles winner's finals and loser's finals was saved on my Wii and is up on my channel now.
The setup with the computer recording with pinnacle had winner's finals of singles and some other bracket matches. I have a lot of replays on my Wii saved, but whoever recorded with the cpu has Kismet vs M2k, which is the most important set that station had.
@Stingers, you saved 3 replays all beating Ct, but which two were tourney? The Halberd and Bf ones or the Bf and Sv ones?
stingers
Smash Obsessed
oh i meant our mms lol. i forgot if we saved them or not
Seagull Joe
Smash Legend
Yeah, we saved the Rob vs Wolf one on my Wii. Also, check my previous edited post cause I had a question about your matches with Ct.
stingers
Smash Obsessed
oh i got you now lol. and umm idk ask ct, he is the one who saved them =/ i forget
TheLastCacely
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seagull move to nc
there is nothing left for you in MD/VA
only harsh lies and the stench of depression and fear.
craig learned that the hard way.
there is nothing left for you in MD/VA
only harsh lies and the stench of depression and fear.
craig learned that the hard way.
*CT*
Smash Lord
Those were two different sets actually, first 2 were Stingers, second two were 313 Losers bracket.
Stockfield
Smash Champion
You should have recorded a set against my ROB too.
Seagull Joe
Smash Legend
There are only 3 matches. I'll assume since Stingers was winners bracket his matches were Bf and Sv.
You fought 313 on Halberd and what other stage(s)? Also, who won the set?
mb?
Smash Journeyman
so anybody play homefront yet?
Seagull Joe
Smash Legend
All matches recorded have been uploaded to my channel.
rPSIvysaur
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Hey guys, when's the next Brawl event in NC?
That was my wii/recording set-up. Can you tell me which matches I should upload first and about what time they were played. I have about 13 hours of play time to go through and I know a lot of it was just friendlies. fun fun fun
V1CE
Smash Champion
Stingers is working on them. I dont think they will come out right away.
Stockfield
Smash Champion
Patience H1N1 lol.
Shouldn't he ask who we beat and lost to for the 5 tournaments, since only like one posted a bracket
Shouldn't he ask who we beat and lost to for the 5 tournaments, since only like one posted a bracket
Seagull Joe
Smash Legend
I had a MM with Stinger's nanerless Diddy (lol), KoozyKris's Lucas, tourney match of Mk vs Falco for H1n1 vs me. It'll be both on Battlefield.
Winner's finals of Kismet vs M2k was also on your setup. Kismet's tag was "Win" the entire tourney. Mine was "JJ". H1n1's was his tag. Etc...
What's your channel?
Dublio
Smash Ace
Impressive how you got so many replays on your setup for just 1 tourney. 37 vids just for singles and that's not even every saved replay.
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MysteryTigerTeen
Guest
What's the difference between a throw back event and a normal one?http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=299323
yo guys, apparently brawl has a high chance of being on MLG again
but as a throwback event
but who knows, if we do it right this time, they may put us back on as normal events
Tried that at jwu, did NOT work man..... I am the only competitive smasher here and we have one ex competitive one aka East.
stingers
Smash Obsessed
east is into the fighting game scene now I think.
Juno McGrath
Smash Hero
There is no cash prize for throwback events.
also I met east at a SF4 tournament.
Nice guy
basically a tall Kack
Dark Hart
Rejected by Azua
I met East at HERB2, I convinced him to Falcon ditto me in Brawl pools
bossa nova ♪
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he's basically a tall Kack
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MysteryTigerTeen
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He's amazing, but hardly plays brawl. He is in LOVE with Street Fighter. I might ask him to train me soon, so i can play lol
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