Social C. Falcon Social

[Scar]

i wish that you could platform cancel falcon kick

and any thoughts on perfect nair jab? does that work? i'm still having trouble with it

 

[BigD!!!]

i think so but its hard

im basing this on when i asked you the same question like 2 years ago and you said you thought so but it was hard

 

[Mr Postman]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

literally my favorite moment in all the years i've played smash was @ dunk's when me and jeff were in the room talking about stomp OOS, and you walked in and i was like

yo johnny, how bad does stomp OOS suck
"it sucks a big ****"
and how often do you do it
"all the time"
me too

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL <3 falcon

sooooooooooo true

 

[CrossfadingRage]

Dair OoS for the lol's.

I know its bad but I can't stop using it.

 

[Divinokage]

You should learn how to shield-stab with Dair OOS then. =) Make your chances greater.

 

[BigD!!!]

kage i know you like your own tricks but that has nothing to do with why dair oos fails to land

 

[Windrose]

isn't stomp oos' greatest weakness just up tilt?

what else is wrong with stomp oos? it actually works quite often against mid level players and people who screw up their aerials on your shield

non-fast falled stomp oos beats utilt on shield iirc?


i rarely use stomp oos though :S i like to buffer roll or wd oos and try to reset situations in most matchups

 

[Deleted member]

Nair jab seems 50 50 in my experience honestly don't like it much unless I spaced bad enough to have to jab

 

[Windrose]

what do you guys mean when you guys say nair jab?

1 hit nair into jab? when/why do you use this?

 

[Gahtzu]

first hit of nair ->jab->JC grab works sometimes

 

[Juggleguy]

Getting your nair shieldgrabbed has to be one of the most frustrating experiences in this game...

 

[Scar]

when i say perfect nair jab i mean both hits of nair l cancel and then jab, can you do it before getting hit / grabbed

it doesn't seem reliable to me anymore and LOOOL @ bigD

@ gutz "works sometimes" means it doesn't work

 

[Deleted member]

definitely feels like its on the opponent to mess up

 

[level9ganon]

when i say perfect nair jab i mean both hits of nair l cancel and then jab, can you do it before getting hit / grabbed

it doesn't seem reliable to me anymore and LOOOL @ bigD

@ gutz "works sometimes" means it doesn't work

you can power shield and nair out of shield. up b also works, but make sure your not near the ledge.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

I'm not going to look into frame data but i'm fairly sure theres a good sized window for someone to grab you after your nair. I thought falcons knew this and thats why they spaced nair?

 

[Divinokage]

Though I think that's assuming you fight spacies, because vs Ganon Nair to stuff works good.

 

[Scar]

I'm not going to look into frame data but i'm fairly sure theres a good sized window for someone to grab you after your nair. I thought falcons knew this and thats why they spaced nair?

yeah i mean obviously you should be spacing all of your moves, but it's not always that simple, and when you don't, at least if you have a guaranteed jab mixup after not spacing then you don't have to worry about it as much

like johnny said (bigD i disagree with myself -2 years) it feels like it's on the opponent to mess up the punish, so you're better off not relying on it, spacing your nairs, and using jab if you messed up but expect to get whooped

hax does nair jab all the time though, maybe he just knows which characters it's safe against or something, or people mess up against him a lot.

 

[BigD!!!]

how bout this

it might be just me

but when i ledgehop nair on a shield, it feels really easy to not get grabbed

are we just not capable of getting low enough on the shield from a shffl, or is this just me imagining things

 

[crush]

Its cuz ur rising from the double jump but still low to the groound since you dj'ed from below the stage.

 

[BigD!!!]

right, but is it impossible to hit a shffl'd nair low enough to do the same?

 

[crush]

Its impossible because you can't be rising that low to the ground

 

[Deleted member]

it's 50-50 out of shffl and out of ledge seems more like 95%+ of jab connecting

 

[BigD!!!]

what difference does rising make, the issue is how soon after the hit connecting you are landing

why cant we time the shffl'd nair so the second hit hits close enough to the ground? is it just an issue of sacrificing the earliest possible nair hit in lieu of a later one?

 

[Deleted member]

pretty much

n-air you want the first hit to come out quick enough (not all the time i sometimes do late hit 1st hit --> 2nd hit)

and that usually puts you in a spot where the 2nd hit is often not ideal, unlike when u ledge hop

 

[sanchaz]

so wisconsin will be using the new ruleset next tourney. what stages should I counter pick captain falcon?

I'm using falco.

In other words, if he gets the chance to take a game off me, what stage should I destroy falcon on?

 

[Scar]

i never knew any of this about nair. i guess nair from the ledge is pretty good, but I think mine are always pretty late on landing. If you shffl as fast as possible, do both hits even come out? i think sometimes i shffl nair and the second hit doesn't come out.

 

[tarheeljks]

so wisconsin will be using the new ruleset next tourney. what stages should I counter pick captain falcon?

I'm using falco.

In other words, if he gets the chance to take a game off me, what stage should I destroy falcon on?

be gone dirty bird

 

[Hax]

i can't get this ****ing set i had with m2k yesterday in tournament off my head. first game is close but i win by 1 stock. 2nd game i take a 2 stock lead and blow it; i end up losing last stock/last hit. 3rd game i get ***** by like 3 stocks. 4th game i jv3 stock him and do some sexy *** ****. 5th game i'm up 4 stocks to 2 on yoshi's and then i start dropping combos all over the place/playing like ****. it comes down to last stock/last hit and i drop a uthrow -> knee for the game and end up losing

 

[JonnyW]

i can't get this ****ing set i had with m2k yesterday in tournament off my head. first game is close but i win by 1 stock. 2nd game i take a 2 stock lead and blow it; i end up losing last stock/last hit. 3rd game i get ***** by like 3 stocks. 4th game i jv3 stock him and do some sexy *** ****. 5th game i'm up 4 stocks to 2 on yoshi's and then i start dropping combos all over the place/playing like ****. it comes down to last stock/last hit and i drop a uthrow -> knee for the game and end up losing

I wanna see if it was recorded. Gotta nail those easy combos man

 

[Nakamaru]

One thing that people have been doing to me lately against my Nair>gentleman pressure makes me cry.

They will shield the nair, then CC the first jab of gentleman and grab me out of it. I really don't think there is a way to avoid it other than spacing it perfectly. : (

(was the new rule set)

 

[Walt]

I've been saying CC grabbing gentlemen is super homo gay for like a year.

 

[BigD!!!]

well i said that **** 3 years ago so bam

juke just held down and mashed A when i hit his shield

 

[Nakamaru]

makes me cry everytime it happens.

 

[iRobinhoood]

I need a cure for cold hands. I don't give a **** how much it is. Send me ****ing links NAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[Scar]

actually +1, i have cold hands johns vs jeff yesterday (he whooped me)

 

[_Rocky_]

Offer a ridiculously overextended handshake before the set to steal all their warmth

 

[JonnyW]

Offer a ridiculously overextended handshake before the set to steal all their warmth

Looool that made me laugh. Sit on your hands.

 

[iRobinhoood]

Looool that made me laugh. Sit on your hands.

I do this sometimes. I think I was just mad before though. I'm having trouble with consistency. I also hate losing to people less technical than me

 

[Wolfy!]

I usually wash my hands in warm water for a bit and then keep my hands in my pockets in between matches.

 

[TaFoKiNtS]

Man Jeff (SS) whooped me so bad yesterday. I need more Scar training